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What a bizarre day this has been so far [message #55228] Sun, 03 July 2005 13:26 Go to next message
Deej [3] is currently offline  Deej [3]   UNITED STATES
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hares with onboard LAN so same deal if you're
>not
>> using it.
>>
>> I don't think it's necessarily the case that things wont work mind you.
I
>> think systems vary. But I think your odds are better, and performance
will
>> likely be better if you can seperate the EDS interrupts.
>>
>> That's how I understand it. I've been wrong before. ;o)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>>
>> "Dan B" <danielNOSPAM_burne@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Ok, I've got an Asus A7V8X and an Asus A7V-600X. Presumably this has
the
>> PCI
>> >sharing issue Mr S describes below. I'm running a dual head G450 AGP,
a
>> PCI
>> >graphics card, 1 x EDS, 1 x Korg Oasys. I may also run another EDS, a
UAD
>> >(or similar) and/or a PCI controller card or Firewire card. (I also have
>> >IDE and SATA hard drives, and occasionally use USB hard-drives / CD-RWs).
>> >
>> >
>> >If I've got this right, I should run the audio cards in 3, 4, 5 (though
>>
Re: What a bizarre day this has been so far [message #55229 is a reply to message #55228] Sun, 03 July 2005 14:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mike ClMike Claytor is currently offline  Mike ClMike Claytor
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I'm
>> >a little confued as to why, and what about sharing on PCI 3 and 5 with
>SATA,
>> >Usb, and IDE...? What's wrong with PCI 2...?). This would require putting
>> >the graphics cards and any other cards on PCI 1 and 2, but wasn't it
>recommended
>> >to put the first EDS card in the first free PCI slot? What would the
>consequence
>> >be of running a fourth audio card in an Asus mobo...?
>> >
>> >Confused!
>> >Daniel
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >"Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>Alos........my experience with AMI bios was less than thrilling. Award
>> Bios
>> >>is much better, IMHO. MSImobo's use the AMI bios (or they did last time
>> >I
>> >>looked). I would check this out before I made the jump.
>> >>
>> >>Deej
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>"Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> >>news:42c72eda@linux...
>> >>> I tried one of these boards before I got my ASUS board. I had some
>*major*
>> >>> issues with it, though it's been so long ago that I don't remember
all
>> >of
>> >>> them.......and they could have been related to my Matrox video cards
>> >>and/or
Re: What a bizarre day this has been so far [message #55232 is a reply to message #55229] Sun, 03 July 2005 14:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [3] is currently offline  Deej [3]   UNITED STATES
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/> more and more if I really need it.

It's really cool to be able to run all the UAD-1 plugins and other cool toys
in SX and then use them wioth Paris, but in all honesty, I've been comparing
some rough mixes, using SX and all those nice DSP cards to ITB Paris mixes
using the native plugins I've got here whioch are cheap and very good
(BlockFish, Spitfish, etc, Dave Brown, Waves NPPII, PowerTechnology DSP/FX
and PSP plugins. These are plugins I used for years before I built my SXDAW
and started using lots of UAD-1 cards, and though the mixes sound a little
bit different, they both sound *really* good.

I think it's one of those things where the SX is turning into more like
something I have available if I need it, and I'm just not really going to
need it much.

We've already discussed this stuff to death, but we really do have something
special here guys. Having a really well loaded native DAW to compare to
Paris just makes me appreciate Paris all the more.

Go figure.HI Kim,
Overall I've had the best luck with the Gigabyte K8NS-Ultra 939 for
audio apps. Haven't tried it with Paris though. It is a very stable board.

Chris


Kim wrote:
> the 250GB NForce3 if it makes any difference, but any experience would be
> valued.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Anybody have any experience with the NForce3 chipset with Paris, or am I
>>about to become a guinea pig...? ;o)
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>
>

--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762dougglas-

this is the thing:

http://www.nadachair.com/

it really works wonders for me. I have a 30 year history of recurring back
spasm things. And, I repeat, this works really well for me. Check it out.

-steve


"Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote:
>I've got this recurring back problem. I'm usually able to deal with this
in
>a wholistic way, but occasionally it just has to be slammed with drugs to
>knock down the pain
Re: What a bizarre day this has been so far [message #55237 is a reply to message #55228] Sun, 03 July 2005 16:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
steve the artguy is currently offline  steve the artguy
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do engine
are all very good and are sonically acceptable and CAN sound great depending
on the material and who is twisting the knobs. But NONE have the PARIS
intangibles.

I have wanted to try this and i am wondering if anyone using another DAW
with PARIS has compared these 2 scenarios using the same final mix....

Scenario #1.
Mix in other DAW (lets say Nuendo, DP, whatever)... lightpipe to PARIS
in live mode where you bounce the final stereo mix.

Scenario #2.
Mix in other DAW.... lightpipe to PARIS where you record all of the
seperate busses... say 12 stereo busses or 24 tracks.... which include...
vocals buss, bass, guitar buss, drums buss, loops buss, keys buss, fx buss.
etc. THEN play those files in PARIS and bounce to disk.

A/B to first scenario.

Anyone done that?

Jeremy



"Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:42c86353@linux...
> ......just go back to using Paris and ditching the rest of this
> monstrousity..........well, I doubt I'll really do that, but I'm wondering
> more and more if I really need it.
>
> It's really cool to be able to run all the UAD-1 plugins and other cool
toys
> in SX and then use them wioth Paris, but in all honesty, I've been
comparing
> some rough mixes, using SX and all those nice DSP cards to ITB Paris mixes
> using the native plugins I've got here whioch are cheap and very good
> (BlockFish, Spitfish, etc, Dave Brown, Waves NPPII, PowerTechnology DSP/FX
> and PSP plugins. These are plugins I used for years before I built my
SXDAW
> and started using lots of UAD-1 ca
Re: What a bizarre day this has been so far [message #55238 is a reply to message #55228] Sun, 03 July 2005 16:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
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rds, and though the mixes sound a little
> bit different, they both sound *really* good.
>
> I think it's one of those things where the SX is turning into more like
> something I have available if I need it, and I'm just not really going to
> need it much.
>
> We've already discussed this stuff to death, but we really do have
something
> special
Re: What a bizarre day this has been so far [message #55241 is a reply to message #55228] Sun, 03 July 2005 17:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rod Lincoln is currently offline  Rod Lincoln
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etc. is being played back through the
respective Paris vocal channel in a Paris mix template which has no tracks
and is set to Live Mix mode.

I then duplicate whatever drum tracks I want to squash and set them to
output through the stereo drum bus. the rest of the tracks are being played
back straight across the lightpipe connection to Paris.

I have a 9 pin serial cable running from one of my ADAT modules to the ADAT
sync input of my master HDSP card and have this card set to sync to ADAt
timecode.

I record enable the Paris tracks and then the Paris transport controls the
start/stop of SX.

All panning must be dopne in Paris because mono channels in Sx cannot pan
unless they are bussed to a stereo bus.

All fader moves are done in SX because the live reverb scenario between SX
and Paris creates a prefader send scenario if levels are controlled in
Paris. Thus, if you lower level of a track that has a reverb processor in SX
the track level goes down, but the reverb level doesn't. The only way around
this if you want to use Paris for fader levels is to apply reverb as a
plugin on the SX tracks, so I'm doing my fader automation in SX and
plugin/EQ automation as well.

Also, when mixing this way, in order to automate pans in Paris, Paris must
be the master and have a moving timeline or there is no way to automate pans
in Paris so in this scenario, the DAWs must be timeline locked with Paris as
the master becaus s I said before, cubase can only pan if the channel is
sent to a stereo bus and all tracks are being bussed mono out of Cubase.

I can also still use external and EDS inserts and aux FX in in Paris in Live
Re: What a bizarre day this has been so far [message #55934 is a reply to message #55228] Sat, 16 July 2005 09:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Miguel Vigil [1] is currently offline  Miguel Vigil [1]   UNITED STATES
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, and Afghanistan, and received little if any thanks
for bombing Christian Europeans to finish in a matter
of weeks what all the crack-pot jihadists had not done
by flocking to the Balkans in a decade.

Long before Afghanistan and Iraq, bin Laden declared war
on America in 1998, citing the U.N. embargo of Iraq and
troops in Saudi Arabia; when those were no longer issues,
he did not cease, but continued his murdering. He harbored
a deep-seated contempt for Western values, even though
he was eaten within by uncontrolled envy and felt empowered
by years of appeasement after a series of attacks on our
embassies, bases, ships, and buildings, both here and abroad.

Iraqi intelligence was involved with the first World Trade
Center bombing, and its operatives met on occasion with
those who were involved in al Qaeda operations. Every
terrorist from Abu Abbas and Abu Nidal to Abdul Yasin
and Abu al-Zarqawi found Baghdad the most hospitable
place in the Middle East, which explains why a plan to
assassinate George Bush Sr. was hatched from such a miasma.

Neither bin Laden nor his lieutenants are poor, but like the
Hamas suicide bombers, Mohammed Atta, or the murderer
of Daniel Pearl they are usually middle class and educated
— and are more likely to hate the West, it seems, the more
they wanted to be part of it. The profile of the London
bombers, when known, will prove the same.

The poor in South America or Africa are not murdering
civilians in North America or Europe. The jihadists are
not bombing Chinese for either their godless secularism
or suppression of Muslim minorities. Indeed, bin Laden
harbored more hatred for an America that stopped the
Balkan holocaust of Muslims than for Slobodan Milosevic
who started it.

There was only unity in this country between September
11 and October 6, when a large minority of Americans
felt our victim status gave us for a golden moment the
high ground. We forget now the furor over hitting bac
Re: What a bizarre day this has been so far [message #55935 is a reply to message #55934] Sat, 16 July 2005 09:30 Go to previous message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
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k
in Afghanistan — a quagmire in the words of New York
Times columnists R. W. Apple and Maureen Dowd; a
“terrorist campaign” against Muslims according to
Representative Cynthia McKinney; “a silent genocide”
in Noam Chomsky’s ranting.

Two thirds of al Qaeda’s command is now captured or
dead; bases in Afghanistan are lost. Saddam’s intelligence
will not be lending expertise to anyone and the Baghdad
government won’t welcome in terrorist masterminds.

In fact, thousands of brave Iraqi Muslims are now in a
shooting war with wahhabi jihadists who, despite their
carnage, are dying in droves as they flock to Iraq.

A constitution is in place in Iraq; reform is spreading
to Lebanon, the Gulf, and Egypt; and autocracies in
Saudi Arabia, Libya, and Pakistan are apprehensive
over a strange new American democratic zeal. Petroleum
was returned to control of the Iraqi people, and the price
has skyrocketed to the chagrin of American corporations.

There has been no repeat of September 11 so far.
Killing jihadists abroad while arresting their
sympathizers here at home has made it hard to
replicate another 9/11-like attack.

The Patriot Act was far less intrusive than what
Abraham Lincoln (suspension of habeas corpus),
Woodrow Wilson (cf. the Espionage and Sedition Acts),
or Franklin Roosevelt (forced internment) resorted to
during past wars. So far America has suffered in Iraq
..006 percent of the combat dead it lost in World War II,
while not facing a conventional enemy against which it
might turn its traditional technological and logistical advantages.

Unlike Gulf War I and the decade-long Iraqi cold war of
embargos, stand-off bombing, and no-fly-zones, the
United States has a comprehensive strategy both in the
war against terror and to end a decade and a half of
Iraqi strife: Kill terrorists abroad, depose theocratic
and autocratic regimes that have either warred with the
United States or harbored terrorists, and promote democracy
to take away grievances that can be manipulated and
turned against us.

Why does this false narrative, then, persist — other than
that it had a certain political utility in the 2002 and
2004 elections?

In a word, this version of events brings spiritual calm
for millions of troubled though affluent and blessed
Westerners. There are three sacraments to their
postmodern thinking, besides the primordial fear
that so often leads to appeasement.

Our first hindrance is moral equivalence. For the
hard Left there is no absolute right and wrong since
amorality is defined arbitrarily and only by those in power.

Taking back Fallujah from beheaders and terrorists is
no different from bombing the London subway since
civilians may die in either case. The deliberate rather
than accidental targeting of noncombatants makes little
difference, especially since the underdog in Fallujah is
not to be judged by the same standard as the overdogs
in London and New York. A half-dozen roughed up prisoners
in Guantanamo are the same as the Nazi death camps or
the Gulag.

Our second shackle is utopian pacifism — ‘war
never solved anything’ and ‘violence only begets
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