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| Its a done deal... [message #80211] |
Sat, 17 February 2007 11:11  |
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brandon[2]
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Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
New gear on its way..
I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
that softwaer has tons of functionality.
Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
Very cool stuff.
I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
I am excited to get into it.
I will let you all know how it is going.
B
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80231 is a reply to message #80227] |
Sat, 17 February 2007 23:05  |
Paul Artola
Messages: 161
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Not Chris here, but I would highly recommend looking at the Muse
Receptor if you are considering building a new system for VSTi.
- Paul Artola
Ellicott City, Maryland
On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:23:10 -0600, "RiverLake Farms"
<edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>Hmmm. . . what would you suggest Chris, as a minimum setup for a vsti
>system? I was intending to use a P4 (Northwood) at 3Ghz, on an intel 875
>chipset MB, with 2G of ram, and Seagate SATA drives..
>Edna
>
>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>news:45d7a42c@linux...
>> HI Brandon,
>> As long as you are planing on doing mainly audio projects and not VSTi
>> heavy projects then you should be fine. The motherboard, CPU, Ram choice
>> will fall short if you are going the VSTi route.
>> Is the 7200 rpm drive meant for just backing up projects? If it is being
>> used as a swap file drive then it is of no use. Audio systems won't have
>> any advantage in doing that.
>> Personally I'd use the 7200 rpm drive as the OS drive and the 10k drives
>> as audio/samples drives. The OS will not act any different being on a 7200
>> rpm drive.
>> The audio interfaces you chose are excellent but don't expect them to
>> sound as good as the converters in Paris...:)
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> Brandon wrote:
>>
>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>
>>>Cubase SX3
>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>Windows XP
>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>2G Ram
>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better off with
>>>out this?)
>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>B
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80244 is a reply to message #80233] |
Sun, 18 February 2007 06:31 |
Edna Sloan
Messages: 304
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Thanks Chris and Paul,
I have heard the Receptor is good for VSTi. The system I described is one I
have now. I was running Paris on it, but have moved Paris to an older
Barton XP 2500+ system so as to use the P4 for VSTis. I tried Akoustik
Piano on the older system and was not satisfied with the sound - mid range
and up was sort of thin and guitarish sounding.
Edna
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:45d805e1$1@linux...
> HI Edna,
> That should be a functional VSTi setup. You may have to disable
> hypertheading for some of the synths or recording software to work
> reliably.
> If you already own this system then fine but if yo9u are buying this as
> parts or prebuilt then I would say don't waste the money. :)
>
> At this point using more than 2 gigs of memory on XP 32 bit is all you
> should bother with. Anything above that will be pretty much wasted. When
> the audio world manages to all get on the same page with multi processor
> support and 64 bit then all the extra memory will be great for the heavy
> sample libraries. If you are doing straight audio recording then even 1
> gig is more than enough for most setups.
> If you have a 2 RME Madi card setup and are using all 128 channels of I/O
> at once then you would be using between 600/700 megs of ram with Cubase.
> That of course is an unusual setup for most people.
>
> Chris
>
>
> RiverLake Farms wrote:
>
>>Hmmm. . . what would you suggest Chris, as a minimum setup for a vsti
>>system? I was intending to use a P4 (Northwood) at 3Ghz, on an intel 875
>>chipset MB, with 2G of ram, and Seagate SATA drives..
>>Edna
>>
>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>news:45d7a42c@linux...
>>
>>>HI Brandon,
>>>As long as you are planing on doing mainly audio projects and not VSTi
>>>heavy projects then you should be fine. The motherboard, CPU, Ram choice
>>>will fall short if you are going the VSTi route.
>>>Is the 7200 rpm drive meant for just backing up projects? If it is being
>>>used as a swap file drive then it is of no use. Audio systems won't have
>>>any advantage in doing that.
>>>Personally I'd use the 7200 rpm drive as the OS drive and the 10k drives
>>>as audio/samples drives. The OS will not act any different being on a
>>>7200 rpm drive.
>>>The audio interfaces you chose are excellent but don't expect them to
>>>sound as good as the converters in Paris...:)
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>
>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>Windows XP
>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>2G Ram
>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better off with
>>>>out this?)
>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>B
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>ADK
>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>(859) 635-5762
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80248 is a reply to message #80247] |
Sun, 18 February 2007 08:52 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
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Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time if neded.
Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT, MANI
OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic pres as
possible with 48v and pads.
as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring and
headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new routing techniques
in the future.
all under$1200
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI Brandon,
>Don't get it.
>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre will
>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>
>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your looking
>for?
>How much I/O?
>How many Mic -Pres?
>
>
>
>Chris
>
>Brandon wrote:
>
>>John,
>>you are correct.
>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the Digimax FS.
>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio instead.
>>
>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>b
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm missing
>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them...... You
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging electric
>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will sound
>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If you
>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is perfect
>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>
>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in the adats.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big deal.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so you
>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>
>>>Still learning,
>>>John
>>>
>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both ways. Either
>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one time.
16
>>>>
>>>>
>>analog
>>
>>
>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle recordin gthat
>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>
>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better off
with
>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80249 is a reply to message #80248] |
Sun, 18 February 2007 08:52 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
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What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
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>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time if neded.
>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT, MANI
>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic pres
as
>possible with 48v and pads.
>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
and
>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new routing techniques
>in the future.
>all under$1200
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>HI Brandon,
>>Don't get it.
>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre will
>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>
>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your looking
>
>>for?
>>How much I/O?
>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>
>>
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>Brandon wrote:
>>
>>>John,
>>>you are correct.
>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the Digimax FS.
>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio instead.
>>>
>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>b
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm missing
>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them...... You
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging electric
>
>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will sound
>
>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If you
>
>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is perfect
>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>
>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in the adats.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big deal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so you
>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>
>>>>Still learning,
>>>>John
>>>>
>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both ways.
Either
>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one time.
>16
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>analog
>>>
>>>
>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle recordin
gthat
>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better off
>with
>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>ADK
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>(859) 635-5762
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80253 is a reply to message #80249] |
Sun, 18 February 2007 09:39 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
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HI Brandon,
Driver -
Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers. You
can at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
internal routing control.
Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
channels.
Grounding noise and buzzing units.
If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then the
unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost every
unit with some other device.
The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range with
similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
but has the same number of I/O.
In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU and
RME products.
If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
similar to Presonus and RME.
1x MOTU 8Pre
1x Presonus Digimax FS
$1080.00
This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
or
2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
seperate headphones)
You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
Chris
Brandon wrote:
>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time if neded.
>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT, MANI
>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic pres
>>
>>
>as
>
>
>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
>>
>>
>and
>
>
>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new routing techniques
>>in the future.
>>all under$1200
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>HI Brandon,
>>>Don't get it.
>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre will
>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>
>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your looking
>>>
>>>
>>>for?
>>>How much I/O?
>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>John,
>>>>you are correct.
>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the Digimax FS.
>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio instead.
>>>>
>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>b
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm missing
>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them...... You
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging electric
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will sound
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is perfect
>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in the adats.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big deal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so you
>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>
>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>John
>>>>>
>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both ways.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>Either
>
>
>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>16
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>analog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle recordin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>gthat
>
>
>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better off
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>with
>>
>>
>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>ADK
>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80257 is a reply to message #80253] |
Sun, 18 February 2007 10:10 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
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Chris,
I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox gizmo's
for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record a
vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The thing
that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least appears
to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so our
platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the network
from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for simple
stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new graphics/music
computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured the FW
port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
Thanks,
Deej
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:45d88fac$1@linux...
> HI Brandon,
> Driver -
> Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers. You can
> at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
> internal routing control.
>
> Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
> dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
> Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
> channels.
> Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>
> If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then the
> unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost every
> unit with some other device.
>
> The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range with
> similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus but
> has the same number of I/O.
>
> In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU and RME
> products.
>
> If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>
> Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
> similar to Presonus and RME.
>
>
> 1x MOTU 8Pre
> 1x Presonus Digimax FS
> $1080.00
> This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>
> or
>
> 2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
> This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
> seperate headphones)
> You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
> to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>
>
> Chris
>
> Brandon wrote:
>
>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time if
>>>neded.
>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT, MANI
>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic pres
>>>
>>as
>>
>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
>>>
>>and
>>
>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new routing
>>>techniques
>>>in the future.
>>>all under$1200
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre will
>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>
>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your looking
>>>>
>>>>for?
>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Chris
>>>>
>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>John,
>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the Digimax FS.
>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio instead.
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>b
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm missing
>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>>>>>>You
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging electric
>>>>>>
>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will sound
>>>>>>
>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is perfect
>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in the
>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big deal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so you
>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both ways.
>>>>>>>
>>Either
>>
>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one time.
>>>>>>>
>>>16
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>analog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle recordin
>>>>>>>
>>gthat
>>
>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better off
>>>>>>>>
>>>with
>>>
>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>ADK
>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80261 is a reply to message #80257] |
Sun, 18 February 2007 11:15 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Chris,
Thaks for th heads up.
I checked out the presonus forum and there is a lot of disappointment over
there for sure.
I particularlt dont like the CPU spiking with no apps open.
I will steer clear from this one until they get their drivers straightend
out. Man how can they sell that thing in that condition. I would be pissed.
I am going with the original setup I posted and you suggested.
1 motu 8 pre and 1 presonus digimax FS.
Maybe later after they fix th presonus firestudio I will trade in the Digimax
to get it.
Thx b
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Chris,
>
>I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox gizmo's
>for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record a
>vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The thing
>that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least appears
>to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so our
>platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the network
>from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>
>Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for simple
>stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new graphics/music
>computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured the
FW
>port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>
>Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Deej
>
>
>
>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>> HI Brandon,
>> Driver -
>> Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers. You
can
>> at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
>> internal routing control.
>>
>> Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>> dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>> Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>> channels.
>> Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>
>> If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then the
>> unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost every
>> unit with some other device.
>>
>> The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range with
>> similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
but
>> has the same number of I/O.
>>
>> In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU and
RME
>> products.
>>
>> If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>
>> Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
>> similar to Presonus and RME.
>>
>>
>> 1x MOTU 8Pre
>> 1x Presonus Digimax FS
>> $1080.00
>> This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>
>> or
>>
>> 2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>> This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>> seperate headphones)
>> You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
>> to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Brandon wrote:
>>
>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time if
>>>>neded.
>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT, MANI
>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic pres
>>>>
>>>as
>>>
>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
>>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new routing
>>>>techniques
>>>>in the future.
>>>>all under$1200
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre will
>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>
>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your looking
>>>>>
>>>>>for?
>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the Digimax
FS.
>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>b
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm missing
>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging electric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will sound
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is perfect
>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in the
>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big deal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so you
>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both ways.
>>>>>>>>
>>>Either
>>>
>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>16
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle recordin
>>>>>>>>
>>>gthat
>>>
>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better
off
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>with
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>ADK
>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>
>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80262 is a reply to message #80257] |
Sun, 18 February 2007 10:18 |
audioguy_editout_
Messages: 249
Registered: December 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Hey DJ,
The M-Audio FW410 or FW1814 would be way better for this.
Ultimately, the RME Fireface400 would be a good choice as
well, but in a higher budget range.
None of these come bundled with Cubase anymore, as M-Audio
is bundling Ableton and RME is bundling Sam. You could add
a copy of "Studio Case" that would give you Cubase SE and
some light VTSi's for basic accompaniment tracks. The
Studio Case software can be had for under $200.
David.
DJ wrote:
> Chris,
>
> I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox gizmo's
> for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record a
> vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The thing
> that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least appears
> to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so our
> platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the network
> from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>
> Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for simple
> stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new graphics/music
> computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured the FW
> port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>
> Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
> interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Deej
>
>
>
> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>
>>HI Brandon,
>>Driver -
>>Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers. You can
>>at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
>>internal routing control.
>>
>>Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>>channels.
>>Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>
>>If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then the
>>unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost every
>>unit with some other device.
>>
>>The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range with
>>similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus but
>>has the same number of I/O.
>>
>>In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU and RME
>>products.
>>
>>If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>
>>Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
>>similar to Presonus and RME.
>>
>>
>>1x MOTU 8Pre
>>1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>$1080.00
>>This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>
>>or
>>
>>2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>>seperate headphones)
>>You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
>>to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>Brandon wrote:
>>
>>
>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time if
>>>>neded.
>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT, MANI
>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic pres
>>>>
>>>
>>>as
>>>
>>>
>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
>>>>
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>
>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new routing
>>>>techniques
>>>>in the future.
>>>>all under$1200
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre will
>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>
>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your looking
>>>>>
>>>>>for?
>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the Digimax FS.
>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>b
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm missing
>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging electric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will sound
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is perfect
>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in the
>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big deal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so you
>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both ways.
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>Either
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>16
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle recordin
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>gthat
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better off
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>with
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>ADK
>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>ADK
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>(859) 635-5762
>
>
>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80263 is a reply to message #80257] |
Sun, 18 February 2007 11:21 |
Nil
Messages: 245
Registered: March 2007
|
Senior Member |
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|
Deej, For something simple like what you refer to, why not one
of the little Lexi's? Alpha, Lambda, Omega?
AND IT COMES WITH A KILLER VST REVERB!!!
(I know I keep reminding you guys of that, but after helping a
friend set up their Omega & hearing the Pantheon reverb, I
bought an Alpha just for the Pantheon license, the plugin
will work in ANY Cubase app, but not other VST hosts).
Neil
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Chris,
>
>I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox gizmo's
>for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record a
>vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The thing
>that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least appears
>to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so our
>platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the network
>from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>
>Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for simple
>stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new graphics/music
>computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured the
FW
>port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>
>Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Deej
>
>
>
>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>> HI Brandon,
>> Driver -
>> Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers. You
can
>> at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
>> internal routing control.
>>
>> Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>> dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>> Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>> channels.
>> Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>
>> If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then the
>> unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost every
>> unit with some other device.
>>
>> The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range with
>> similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
but
>> has the same number of I/O.
>>
>> In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU and
RME
>> products.
>>
>> If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>
>> Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
>> similar to Presonus and RME.
>>
>>
>> 1x MOTU 8Pre
>> 1x Presonus Digimax FS
>> $1080.00
>> This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>
>> or
>>
>> 2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>> This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>> seperate headphones)
>> You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
>> to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Brandon wrote:
>>
>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time if
>>>>neded.
>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT, MANI
>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic pres
>>>>
>>>as
>>>
>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
>>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new routing
>>>>techniques
>>>>in the future.
>>>>all under$1200
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre will
>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>
>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your looking
>>>>>
>>>>>for?
>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the Digimax
FS.
>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>b
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm missing
>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging electric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will sound
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is perfect
>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in the
>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big deal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so you
>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both ways.
>>>>>>>>
>>>Either
>>>
>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>16
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle recordin
>>>>>>>>
>>>gthat
>>>
>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better
off
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>with
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>ADK
>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>
>
|
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80264 is a reply to message #80257] |
Sun, 18 February 2007 11:26 |
Nil
Messages: 245
Registered: March 2007
|
Senior Member |
|
|
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Lambda/
Price drop.
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Chris,
>
>I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox gizmo's
>for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record a
>vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The thing
>that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least appears
>to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so our
>platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the network
>from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>
>Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for simple
>stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new graphics/music
>computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured the
FW
>port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>
>Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Deej
>
>
>
>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>> HI Brandon,
>> Driver -
>> Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers. You
can
>> at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
>> internal routing control.
>>
>> Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>> dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>> Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>> channels.
>> Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>
>> If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then the
>> unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost every
>> unit with some other device.
>>
>> The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range with
>> similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
but
>> has the same number of I/O.
>>
>> In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU and
RME
>> products.
>>
>> If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>
>> Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
>> similar to Presonus and RME.
>>
>>
>> 1x MOTU 8Pre
>> 1x Presonus Digimax FS
>> $1080.00
>> This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>
>> or
>>
>> 2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>> This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>> seperate headphones)
>> You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
>> to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Brandon wrote:
>>
>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time if
>>>>neded.
>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT, MANI
>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic pres
>>>>
>>>as
>>>
>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
>>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new routing
>>>>techniques
>>>>in the future.
>>>>all under$1200
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre will
>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>
>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your looking
>>>>>
>>>>>for?
>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the Digimax
FS.
>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>b
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm missing
>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging electric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will sound
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is perfect
>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in the
>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big deal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so you
>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both ways.
>>>>>>>>
>>>Either
>>>
>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>16
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle recordin
>>>>>>>>
>>>gthat
>>>
>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better
off
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>with
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>ADK
>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>
>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80267 is a reply to message #80264] |
Sun, 18 February 2007 11:01 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
|
Senior Member |
|
|
I have been steering away from USB interfaces. I guess for limited tracking
these would be fine though. It looks like the Lexicon Omega has some pretty
nice I/O features. Amy likes to hear some reverb in the cans when she's
singing. I guess the Pantheon could be monitored while tracking in a limited
input way, or the insert points on the Omega could be set up to be used with
an outboard box like the Alesis Wedge (very cool box for reverb in a cue
mix)
"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45d89a3a$1@linux...
>
> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Lambda/
>
> Price drop.
>
>
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Chris,
>>
>>I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox gizmo's
>
>>for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record a
>
>>vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The thing
>
>>that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least appears
>
>>to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so our
>>platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the network
>
>>from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>
>>Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for simple
>
>>stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new
>>graphics/music
>
>>computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured the
> FW
>>port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>
>>Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>>interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>>
>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>> HI Brandon,
>>> Driver -
>>> Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers. You
> can
>>> at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
>>> internal routing control.
>>>
>>> Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>> dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>> Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>
>>> channels.
>>> Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>
>>> If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then the
>
>>> unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost every
>
>>> unit with some other device.
>>>
>>> The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range with
>
>>> similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
> but
>>> has the same number of I/O.
>>>
>>> In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU and
> RME
>>> products.
>>>
>>> If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>
>>> Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
>
>>> similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1x MOTU 8Pre
>>> 1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>> $1080.00
>>> This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>> 2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>> This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>>> seperate headphones)
>>> You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
>
>>> to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>
>>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time if
>
>>>>>neded.
>>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT,
>>>>>MANI
>>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic pres
>>>>>
>>>>as
>>>>
>>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
>>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new routing
>
>>>>>techniques
>>>>>in the future.
>>>>>all under$1200
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre will
>
>>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>
>>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your
>>>>>>looking
>>>>>>
>>>>>>for?
>>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the Digimax
> FS.
>>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>b
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm missing
>
>>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>
>>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging
>>>>>>>>electric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will
>>>>>>>>sound
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
> you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is perfect
>
>>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in the
>
>>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big
>>>>>>>>deal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so you
>
>>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both ways.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>Either
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one
>>>>>>>>>time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>16
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle recordin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>gthat
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better
> off
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>with
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> ADK
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80268 is a reply to message #80261] |
Sun, 18 February 2007 11:08 |
audioguy_editout_
Messages: 249
Registered: December 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
I would stick with the 8Pre/FS set-up and add an outboard
mixer. I will detail after the following....
<RANT>
I preface this by saying, I started off in this industry
"old school", with open reel tape machines and large format
consoles. So, take this with a bit of salt....
The thing that really sticks in my craw with DAW's is Cue
mixing. No one has been able to create an elegant way of
managing multiple cue mixes without an external control
surface mapped to Aux buses. With Cub/Nu you have to create
output buses, then go to each and every track to assign the
track to the bus, then turn them on. After all the
assigning and clicking about, you then have to go back
through each track to adjust the send levels... Rubbish!
That is too much time consuming mousing around. Even if you
spend the time and create "template projects" you are still
faced with the arduous task of "select track, adjust send,
select next track, adjust send..." These developers need to
create proper cue mix buses that default to "all on" and
that can be controlled from dedicated cue mix windows with
fader, pan, source select (pre/post EQ or inserts) and a few
send buses for FX while tracking. You should then be able
to switch easily between mixes while in the cue mix window.
You could then mouse around with the *entire cue mix* from
one point without having to switch windows. These software
developers have obviously never worked a session with 20 to
30 inputs (or more) and 4 or more stereo cue mixes spanning
several rooms... Even PTHD sucks at this without a controller.
</RANT>
So, with an external mixer like a 16ch A&H MixWizard, you
could route all 16 outs from your D/A's to the 16 inputs on
the mixer. You then have "knobs" in front of you for up to
4 mono cue mixes, FX while tracking, and "faders" to adjust
your monitoring mix. All this using "direct monitoring" for
no latency. Will you have mix recall capability... No. Will
you be able to create a rough mix ITB while tracking... No.
It WILL save you hours of grief and frustration, and the
musicians can get on with creating music instead of waiting
for you to create their mixes. This, IMHO, is the ONLY way
to work if you are dealing with full bands on a regular
basis. Even with Paris, I used the main mix as my cue mix,
and offered only a single HP mix.
This is one of the main reasons we purchased the DM2K for
the studio, comprehensive cue mixing, digital routing
between computers and pres/convertors, and (bonus) saving of
all settings with the project through the Studio Manager
software built into Nuendo.
Anyway, that's my $2.45... ;-)
David.
Brandon wrote:
> Chris,
> Thaks for th heads up.
> I checked out the presonus forum and there is a lot of disappointment over
> there for sure.
> I particularlt dont like the CPU spiking with no apps open.
> I will steer clear from this one until they get their drivers straightend
> out. Man how can they sell that thing in that condition. I would be pissed.
> I am going with the original setup I posted and you suggested.
> 1 motu 8 pre and 1 presonus digimax FS.
> Maybe later after they fix th presonus firestudio I will trade in the Digimax
> to get it.
> Thx b
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>
>>Chris,
>>
>>I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox gizmo's
>
>
>>for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record a
>
>
>>vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The thing
>
>
>>that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least appears
>
>
>>to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so our
>>platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the network
>
>
>>from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>
>>Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for simple
>
>
>>stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new graphics/music
>
>
>>computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured the
>
> FW
>
>>port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>
>>Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>>interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>>
>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>
>>>HI Brandon,
>>>Driver -
>>>Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers. You
>
> can
>
>>>at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
>>>internal routing control.
>>>
>>>Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>
>
>>>channels.
>>>Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>
>>>If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then the
>
>
>>>unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost every
>
>
>>>unit with some other device.
>>>
>>>The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range with
>
>
>>>similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
>
> but
>
>>>has the same number of I/O.
>>>
>>>In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU and
>
> RME
>
>>>products.
>>>
>>>If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>
>>>Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
>
>
>>>similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>
>>>
>>>1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>$1080.00
>>>This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>
>>>or
>>>
>>>2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>>>seperate headphones)
>>>You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
>
>
>>>to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time if
>
>
>>>>>neded.
>>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT, MANI
>>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic pres
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>as
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new routing
>
>
>>>>>techniques
>>>>>in the future.
>>>>>all under$1200
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre will
>
>
>>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>
>
>>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your looking
>>>>>>
>>>>>>for?
>>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the Digimax
>
> FS.
>
>>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>b
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm missing
>
>
>>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>
>
>>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging electric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will sound
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
>
> you
>
>>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is perfect
>
>
>>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in the
>
>
>>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big deal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so you
>
>
>>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both ways.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Either
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>16
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle recordin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>gthat
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better
>
> off
>
>>>>>with
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>ADK
>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>(859) 635-5762
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80273 is a reply to message #80268] |
Sun, 18 February 2007 11:44 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
|
Senior Member |
|
|
I'm just starting to try to get my head around this. I think it's going to
have to happen somehow in totalmix but I'm not sure. I use the Furman HDS16
with HRM 16 remotes. I have each of the remotes paired with an Alesis Wedge
which patches into the remotes via the remote send/return I/O and, IMHO (and
every person's "O" that has used this) sounds great for tracking with some
'verb in the cans.
soooo.......I need somehow to set up a bussing template. I could set up
stereo busses in Cubase 4 with outputs assigned to analog my D/A's so that I
could assign one or more tracks to any bus and have that bus routed to the
HDS 16. My brain stops working when I get to the part where the entire mix
is sent to the HDS 16 stereo input bus.
Basically, what I need to be able to do is to bus a mono track to a mono
input of the HDS 17 while that same mono track is assigned to a stereo us
which is being output to a stereo input of the HDS16 and then all stereo
busses of the mix are also bussed to the main mix inputs of the HDS16.
This would have to involve Totalmix so I'm girding my loins for the learning
curve. Once I get this sussed, it's going to be templated forever.
Arrrrrggghhhh.........just watch...........I'll figure out a way.........
I agree about the kludge factor
"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:45d8a46d@linux...
>I would stick with the 8Pre/FS set-up and add an outboard mixer. I will
>detail after the following....
>
> <RANT>
>
> I preface this by saying, I started off in this industry "old school",
> with open reel tape machines and large format consoles. So, take this with
> a bit of salt....
>
> The thing that really sticks in my craw with DAW's is Cue mixing. No one
> has been able to create an elegant way of managing multiple cue mixes
> without an external control surface mapped to Aux buses. With Cub/Nu you
> have to create output buses, then go to each and every track to assign the
> track to the bus, then turn them on. After all the assigning and clicking
> about, you then have to go back through each track to adjust the send
> levels... Rubbish! That is too much time consuming mousing around. Even
> if you spend the time and create "template projects" you are still faced
> with the arduous task of "select track, adjust send, select next track,
> adjust send..." These developers need to create proper cue mix buses that
> default to "all on" and that can be controlled from dedicated cue mix
> windows with fader, pan, source select (pre/post EQ or inserts) and a few
> send buses for FX while tracking. You should then be able to switch
> easily between mixes while in the cue mix window. You could then mouse
> around with the *entire cue mix* from one point without having to switch
> windows. These software developers have obviously never worked a session
> with 20 to 30 inputs (or more) and 4 or more stereo cue mixes spanning
> several rooms... Even PTHD sucks at this without a controller.
>
> </RANT>
>
> So, with an external mixer like a 16ch A&H MixWizard, you could route all
> 16 outs from your D/A's to the 16 inputs on the mixer. You then have
> "knobs" in front of you for up to 4 mono cue mixes, FX while tracking, and
> "faders" to adjust your monitoring mix. All this using "direct
> monitoring" for no latency. Will you have mix recall capability... No.
> Will you be able to create a rough mix ITB while tracking... No. It WILL
> save you hours of grief and frustration, and the musicians can get on with
> creating music instead of waiting for you to create their mixes. This,
> IMHO, is the ONLY way to work if you are dealing with full bands on a
> regular basis. Even with Paris, I used the main mix as my cue mix, and
> offered only a single HP mix.
>
> This is one of the main reasons we purchased the DM2K for the studio,
> comprehensive cue mixing, digital routing between computers and
> pres/convertors, and (bonus) saving of all settings with the project
> through the Studio Manager software built into Nuendo.
>
> Anyway, that's my $2.45... ;-)
>
> David.
>
> Brandon wrote:
>
>> Chris,
>> Thaks for th heads up.
>> I checked out the presonus forum and there is a lot of disappointment
>> over
>> there for sure.
>> I particularlt dont like the CPU spiking with no apps open.
>> I will steer clear from this one until they get their drivers straightend
>> out. Man how can they sell that thing in that condition. I would be
>> pissed.
>> I am going with the original setup I posted and you suggested.
>> 1 motu 8 pre and 1 presonus digimax FS.
>> Maybe later after they fix th presonus firestudio I will trade in the
>> Digimax
>> to get it.
>> Thx b
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Chris,
>>>
>>>I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox
>>>gizmo's
>>
>>
>>>for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record a
>>
>>
>>>vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The thing
>>
>>
>>>that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least
>>>appears
>>
>>
>>>to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so our
>>>platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the network
>>
>>
>>>from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>
>>>Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for simple
>>
>>
>>>stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new
>>>graphics/music
>>
>>
>>>computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured the
>>
>> FW
>>>port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>>
>>>Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>>>interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>Driver -
>>>>Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers. You
>>
>> can
>>>>at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
>>>>internal routing control.
>>>>
>>>>Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>>dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>>Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>>
>>
>>>>channels.
>>>>Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>>
>>>>If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then the
>>
>>
>>>>unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost every
>>
>>
>>>>unit with some other device.
>>>>
>>>>The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range with
>>
>>
>>>>similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
>>
>> but
>>>>has the same number of I/O.
>>>>
>>>>In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU and
>>
>> RME
>>>>products.
>>>>
>>>>If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>>
>>>>Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
>>
>>
>>>>similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>>1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>>$1080.00
>>>>This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>>
>>>>or
>>>>
>>>>2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>>This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>>>>seperate headphones)
>>>>You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
>>
>>
>>>>to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Chris
>>>>
>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time if
>>
>>
>>>>>>neded.
>>>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT,
>>>>>>MANI
>>>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic
>>>>>>pres
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>as
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for
>>>>>>monitoring
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new routing
>>
>>
>>>>>>techniques
>>>>>>in the future.
>>>>>>all under$1200
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre will
>>
>>
>>>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>
>>
>>>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your
>>>>>>>looking
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>for?
>>>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the Digimax
>>
>> FS.
>>
>>>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio instead.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>>b
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm missing
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging
>>>>>>>>>electric
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will
>>>>>>>>>sound
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
>>
>> you
>>
>>>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is perfect
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in the
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big
>>>>>>>>>deal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so you
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both
>>>>>>>>>>ways.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Either
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one
>>>>>>>>>>time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>16
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle
>>>>>>>>>>recordin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>gthat
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better
>>
>> off
>>
>>>>>>with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>ADK
>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80274 is a reply to message #80273] |
Sun, 18 February 2007 11:48 |
audioguy_editout_
Messages: 249
Registered: December 2005
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Senior Member |
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The only way I know of to bus one signal to two places at
one time is by using the sends on a track as well as the
output bus. Past that, you may actually have to use
TotalCrap. ;-)
David.
DJ wrote:
> I'm just starting to try to get my head around this. I think it's going to
> have to happen somehow in totalmix but I'm not sure. I use the Furman HDS16
> with HRM 16 remotes. I have each of the remotes paired with an Alesis Wedge
> which patches into the remotes via the remote send/return I/O and, IMHO (and
> every person's "O" that has used this) sounds great for tracking with some
> 'verb in the cans.
>
> soooo.......I need somehow to set up a bussing template. I could set up
> stereo busses in Cubase 4 with outputs assigned to analog my D/A's so that I
> could assign one or more tracks to any bus and have that bus routed to the
> HDS 16. My brain stops working when I get to the part where the entire mix
> is sent to the HDS 16 stereo input bus.
>
> Basically, what I need to be able to do is to bus a mono track to a mono
> input of the HDS 17 while that same mono track is assigned to a stereo us
> which is being output to a stereo input of the HDS16 and then all stereo
> busses of the mix are also bussed to the main mix inputs of the HDS16.
>
> This would have to involve Totalmix so I'm girding my loins for the learning
> curve. Once I get this sussed, it's going to be templated forever.
>
> Arrrrrggghhhh.........just watch...........I'll figure out a way.........
>
>
> I agree about the kludge factor
> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:45d8a46d@linux...
>
>>I would stick with the 8Pre/FS set-up and add an outboard mixer. I will
>>detail after the following....
>>
>><RANT>
>>
>>I preface this by saying, I started off in this industry "old school",
>>with open reel tape machines and large format consoles. So, take this with
>>a bit of salt....
>>
>>The thing that really sticks in my craw with DAW's is Cue mixing. No one
>>has been able to create an elegant way of managing multiple cue mixes
>>without an external control surface mapped to Aux buses. With Cub/Nu you
>>have to create output buses, then go to each and every track to assign the
>>track to the bus, then turn them on. After all the assigning and clicking
>>about, you then have to go back through each track to adjust the send
>>levels... Rubbish! That is too much time consuming mousing around. Even
>>if you spend the time and create "template projects" you are still faced
>>with the arduous task of "select track, adjust send, select next track,
>>adjust send..." These developers need to create proper cue mix buses that
>>default to "all on" and that can be controlled from dedicated cue mix
>>windows with fader, pan, source select (pre/post EQ or inserts) and a few
>>send buses for FX while tracking. You should then be able to switch
>>easily between mixes while in the cue mix window. You could then mouse
>>around with the *entire cue mix* from one point without having to switch
>>windows. These software developers have obviously never worked a session
>>with 20 to 30 inputs (or more) and 4 or more stereo cue mixes spanning
>>several rooms... Even PTHD sucks at this without a controller.
>>
>></RANT>
>>
>>So, with an external mixer like a 16ch A&H MixWizard, you could route all
>>16 outs from your D/A's to the 16 inputs on the mixer. You then have
>>"knobs" in front of you for up to 4 mono cue mixes, FX while tracking, and
>>"faders" to adjust your monitoring mix. All this using "direct
>>monitoring" for no latency. Will you have mix recall capability... No.
>>Will you be able to create a rough mix ITB while tracking... No. It WILL
>>save you hours of grief and frustration, and the musicians can get on with
>>creating music instead of waiting for you to create their mixes. This,
>>IMHO, is the ONLY way to work if you are dealing with full bands on a
>>regular basis. Even with Paris, I used the main mix as my cue mix, and
>>offered only a single HP mix.
>>
>>This is one of the main reasons we purchased the DM2K for the studio,
>>comprehensive cue mixing, digital routing between computers and
>>pres/convertors, and (bonus) saving of all settings with the project
>>through the Studio Manager software built into Nuendo.
>>
>>Anyway, that's my $2.45... ;-)
>>
>>David.
>>
>>Brandon wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Chris,
>>>Thaks for th heads up.
>>>I checked out the presonus forum and there is a lot of disappointment
>>>over
>>>there for sure.
>>>I particularlt dont like the CPU spiking with no apps open.
>>>I will steer clear from this one until they get their drivers straightend
>>>out. Man how can they sell that thing in that condition. I would be
>>>pissed.
>>>I am going with the original setup I posted and you suggested.
>>>1 motu 8 pre and 1 presonus digimax FS.
>>>Maybe later after they fix th presonus firestudio I will trade in the
>>>Digimax
>>>to get it.
>>>Thx b
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Chris,
>>>>
>>>>I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox
>>>>gizmo's
>>>
>>>
>>>>for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record a
>>>
>>>
>>>>vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The thing
>>>
>>>
>>>>that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least
>>>>appears
>>>
>>>
>>>>to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so our
>>>>platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the network
>>>
>>>
>>>>from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for simple
>>>
>>>
>>>>stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new
>>>>graphics/music
>>>
>>>
>>>>computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured the
>>>
>>>FW
>>>
>>>>port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>>>
>>>>Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>>>>interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>Driver -
>>>>>Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers. You
>>>
>>>can
>>>
>>>>>at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
>>>>>internal routing control.
>>>>>
>>>>>Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>>>dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>>>Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>>>
>>>
>>>>>channels.
>>>>>Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>>>
>>>>>If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost every
>>>
>>>
>>>>>unit with some other device.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range with
>>>
>>>
>>>>>similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
>>>
>>>but
>>>
>>>>>has the same number of I/O.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU and
>>>
>>>RME
>>>
>>>>>products.
>>>>>
>>>>>If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>>>
>>>>>Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
>>>
>>>
>>>>>similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>>>1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>>>$1080.00
>>>>>This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>>>
>>>>>or
>>>>>
>>>>>2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>>>This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>>>>>seperate headphones)
>>>>>You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
>>>
>>>
>>>>>to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time if
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>neded.
>>>>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT,
>>>>>>>MANI
>>>>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic
>>>>>>>pres
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for
>>>>>>>monitoring
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new routing
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>techniques
>>>>>>>in the future.
>>>>>>>all under$1200
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre will
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your
>>>>>>>>looking
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>for?
>>>>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the Digimax
>>>
>>>FS.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio instead.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>>>b
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm missing
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging
>>>>>>>>>>electric
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will
>>>>>>>>>>sound
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
>>>
>>>you
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is perfect
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big
>>>>>>>>>>deal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so you
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both
>>>>>>>>>>>ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Either
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one
>>>>>>>>>>>time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>16
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle
>>>>>>>>>>>recordin
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>gthat
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better
>>>
>>>off
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>ADK
>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80275 is a reply to message #80274] |
Sun, 18 February 2007 11:56 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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Senior Member |
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John is the Totalcrap wizard. I'll bet he already has an answer to this. I
think you can just go into the matrix screen and assign everything to
anything anywhere and everywhere and, in the process, can set up some loops
that will blow stuff up too.
;o)
"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:45d8adae@linux...
> The only way I know of to bus one signal to two places at one time is by
> using the sends on a track as well as the output bus. Past that, you may
> actually have to use TotalCrap. ;-)
>
> David.
>
> DJ wrote:
>
>> I'm just starting to try to get my head around this. I think it's going
>> to have to happen somehow in totalmix but I'm not sure. I use the Furman
>> HDS16 with HRM 16 remotes. I have each of the remotes paired with an
>> Alesis Wedge which patches into the remotes via the remote send/return
>> I/O and, IMHO (and every person's "O" that has used this) sounds great
>> for tracking with some 'verb in the cans.
>>
>> soooo.......I need somehow to set up a bussing template. I could set up
>> stereo busses in Cubase 4 with outputs assigned to analog my D/A's so
>> that I could assign one or more tracks to any bus and have that bus
>> routed to the HDS 16. My brain stops working when I get to the part where
>> the entire mix is sent to the HDS 16 stereo input bus.
>>
>> Basically, what I need to be able to do is to bus a mono track to a mono
>> input of the HDS 17 while that same mono track is assigned to a stereo us
>> which is being output to a stereo input of the HDS16 and then all stereo
>> busses of the mix are also bussed to the main mix inputs of the HDS16.
>>
>> This would have to involve Totalmix so I'm girding my loins for the
>> learning curve. Once I get this sussed, it's going to be templated
>> forever.
>>
>> Arrrrrggghhhh.........just watch...........I'll figure out a way.........
>>
>>
>> I agree about the kludge factor
>> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:45d8a46d@linux...
>>
>>>I would stick with the 8Pre/FS set-up and add an outboard mixer. I will
>>>detail after the following....
>>>
>>><RANT>
>>>
>>>I preface this by saying, I started off in this industry "old school",
>>>with open reel tape machines and large format consoles. So, take this
>>>with a bit of salt....
>>>
>>>The thing that really sticks in my craw with DAW's is Cue mixing. No one
>>>has been able to create an elegant way of managing multiple cue mixes
>>>without an external control surface mapped to Aux buses. With Cub/Nu you
>>>have to create output buses, then go to each and every track to assign
>>>the track to the bus, then turn them on. After all the assigning and
>>>clicking about, you then have to go back through each track to adjust the
>>>send levels... Rubbish! That is too much time consuming mousing around.
>>>Even if you spend the time and create "template projects" you are still
>>>faced with the arduous task of "select track, adjust send, select next
>>>track, adjust send..." These developers need to create proper cue mix
>>>buses that default to "all on" and that can be controlled from dedicated
>>>cue mix windows with fader, pan, source select (pre/post EQ or inserts)
>>>and a few send buses for FX while tracking. You should then be able to
>>>switch easily between mixes while in the cue mix window. You could then
>>>mouse around with the *entire cue mix* from one point without having to
>>>switch windows. These software developers have obviously never worked a
>>>session with 20 to 30 inputs (or more) and 4 or more stereo cue mixes
>>>spanning several rooms... Even PTHD sucks at this without a controller.
>>>
>>></RANT>
>>>
>>>So, with an external mixer like a 16ch A&H MixWizard, you could route all
>>>16 outs from your D/A's to the 16 inputs on the mixer. You then have
>>>"knobs" in front of you for up to 4 mono cue mixes, FX while tracking,
>>>and "faders" to adjust your monitoring mix. All this using "direct
>>>monitoring" for no latency. Will you have mix recall capability... No.
>>>Will you be able to create a rough mix ITB while tracking... No. It WILL
>>>save you hours of grief and frustration, and the musicians can get on
>>>with creating music instead of waiting for you to create their mixes.
>>>This, IMHO, is the ONLY way to work if you are dealing with full bands on
>>>a regular basis. Even with Paris, I used the main mix as my cue mix, and
>>>offered only a single HP mix.
>>>
>>>This is one of the main reasons we purchased the DM2K for the studio,
>>>comprehensive cue mixing, digital routing between computers and
>>>pres/convertors, and (bonus) saving of all settings with the project
>>>through the Studio Manager software built into Nuendo.
>>>
>>>Anyway, that's my $2.45... ;-)
>>>
>>>David.
>>>
>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Chris,
>>>>Thaks for th heads up.
>>>>I checked out the presonus forum and there is a lot of disappointment
>>>>over
>>>>there for sure.
>>>>I particularlt dont like the CPU spiking with no apps open.
>>>>I will steer clear from this one until they get their drivers
>>>>straightend
>>>>out. Man how can they sell that thing in that condition. I would be
>>>>pissed.
>>>>I am going with the original setup I posted and you suggested.
>>>>1 motu 8 pre and 1 presonus digimax FS.
>>>>Maybe later after they fix th presonus firestudio I will trade in the
>>>>Digimax
>>>>to get it.
>>>>Thx b
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>>I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox
>>>>>gizmo's
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The
>>>>>thing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least
>>>>>appears
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so our
>>>>>platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the
>>>>>network
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for simple
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new
>>>>>graphics/music
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured
>>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>FW
>>>>
>>>>>port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>>>>
>>>>>Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>>>>>interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>Deej
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>Driver -
>>>>>>Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers. You
>>>>
>>>>can
>>>>
>>>>>>at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
>>>>>>internal routing control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>>>>dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>>>>Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>channels.
>>>>>>Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then
>>>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost
>>>>>>every
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>unit with some other device.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range with
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
>>>>
>>>>but
>>>>
>>>>>>has the same number of I/O.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU and
>>>>
>>>>RME
>>>>
>>>>>>products.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix
>>>>>>controls
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>>>>1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>>>>$1080.00
>>>>>>This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>>>>This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>>>>>>seperate headphones)
>>>>>>You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2
>>>>>>DigimaxFS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time
>>>>>>>>if
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>neded.
>>>>>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT,
>>>>>>>>MANI
>>>>>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic
>>>>>>>>pres
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for
>>>>>>>>monitoring
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new
>>>>>>>>routing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>techniques
>>>>>>>>in the future.
>>>>>>>>all under$1200
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre
>>>>>>>>>will
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your
>>>>>>>>>looking
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>for?
>>>>>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the
>>>>>>>>>>Digimax
>>>>
>>>>FS.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio
>>>>>>>>>>instead.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>>>>b
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>missing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about
>>>>>>>>>>>them......
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging
>>>>>>>>>>>electric
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will
>>>>>>>>>>>sound
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but
>>>>>>>>>>>wait......If
>>>>
>>>>you
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is
>>>>>>>>>>>perfect
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big
>>>>>>>>>>>deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so
>>>>>>>>>>>you
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both
>>>>>>>>>>>>ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Either
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one
>>>>>>>>>>>>time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>16
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle
>>>>>>>>>>>>recordin
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>gthat
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better
>>>>
>>>>off
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80278 is a reply to message #80275] |
Sun, 18 February 2007 12:54 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
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Hey, don't call it totalcarp. I think it's awesome personally.
You just use SUBMIX mode if I'm correct. In total mix you pick submix
and from there each of the top two rows (hardware input) and (computer
input can have any of their tracks routed to ANY of the 24 outputs plus
spdif. When in this mode, each time you click on the outputs of any of
the first two rows you will get a list of ALL outputs that you can route
each channel to with check marks to indicate which are being sent.
I think you then open the matrix with "x" and you can see / change all
the routings there too.
Rock on!
DJ wrote:
> John is the Totalcrap wizard. I'll bet he already has an answer to this. I
> think you can just go into the matrix screen and assign everything to
> anything anywhere and everywhere and, in the process, can set up some loops
> that will blow stuff up too.
>
> ;o)
>
> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:45d8adae@linux...
>> The only way I know of to bus one signal to two places at one time is by
>> using the sends on a track as well as the output bus. Past that, you may
>> actually have to use TotalCrap. ;-)
>>
>> David.
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>
>>> I'm just starting to try to get my head around this. I think it's going
>>> to have to happen somehow in totalmix but I'm not sure. I use the Furman
>>> HDS16 with HRM 16 remotes. I have each of the remotes paired with an
>>> Alesis Wedge which patches into the remotes via the remote send/return
>>> I/O and, IMHO (and every person's "O" that has used this) sounds great
>>> for tracking with some 'verb in the cans.
>>>
>>> soooo.......I need somehow to set up a bussing template. I could set up
>>> stereo busses in Cubase 4 with outputs assigned to analog my D/A's so
>>> that I could assign one or more tracks to any bus and have that bus
>>> routed to the HDS 16. My brain stops working when I get to the part where
>>> the entire mix is sent to the HDS 16 stereo input bus.
>>>
>>> Basically, what I need to be able to do is to bus a mono track to a mono
>>> input of the HDS 17 while that same mono track is assigned to a stereo us
>>> which is being output to a stereo input of the HDS16 and then all stereo
>>> busses of the mix are also bussed to the main mix inputs of the HDS16.
>>>
>>> This would have to involve Totalmix so I'm girding my loins for the
>>> learning curve. Once I get this sussed, it's going to be templated
>>> forever.
>>>
>>> Arrrrrggghhhh.........just watch...........I'll figure out a way.........
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree about the kludge factor
>>> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:45d8a46d@linux...
>>>
>>>> I would stick with the 8Pre/FS set-up and add an outboard mixer. I will
>>>> detail after the following....
>>>>
>>>> <RANT>
>>>>
>>>> I preface this by saying, I started off in this industry "old school",
>>>> with open reel tape machines and large format consoles. So, take this
>>>> with a bit of salt....
>>>>
>>>> The thing that really sticks in my craw with DAW's is Cue mixing. No one
>>>> has been able to create an elegant way of managing multiple cue mixes
>>>> without an external control surface mapped to Aux buses. With Cub/Nu you
>>>> have to create output buses, then go to each and every track to assign
>>>> the track to the bus, then turn them on. After all the assigning and
>>>> clicking about, you then have to go back through each track to adjust the
>>>> send levels... Rubbish! That is too much time consuming mousing around.
>>>> Even if you spend the time and create "template projects" you are still
>>>> faced with the arduous task of "select track, adjust send, select next
>>>> track, adjust send..." These developers need to create proper cue mix
>>>> buses that default to "all on" and that can be controlled from dedicated
>>>> cue mix windows with fader, pan, source select (pre/post EQ or inserts)
>>>> and a few send buses for FX while tracking. You should then be able to
>>>> switch easily between mixes while in the cue mix window. You could then
>>>> mouse around with the *entire cue mix* from one point without having to
>>>> switch windows. These software developers have obviously never worked a
>>>> session with 20 to 30 inputs (or more) and 4 or more stereo cue mixes
>>>> spanning several rooms... Even PTHD sucks at this without a controller.
>>>>
>>>> </RANT>
>>>>
>>>> So, with an external mixer like a 16ch A&H MixWizard, you could route all
>>>> 16 outs from your D/A's to the 16 inputs on the mixer. You then have
>>>> "knobs" in front of you for up to 4 mono cue mixes, FX while tracking,
>>>> and "faders" to adjust your monitoring mix. All this using "direct
>>>> monitoring" for no latency. Will you have mix recall capability... No.
>>>> Will you be able to create a rough mix ITB while tracking... No. It WILL
>>>> save you hours of grief and frustration, and the musicians can get on
>>>> with creating music instead of waiting for you to create their mixes.
>>>> This, IMHO, is the ONLY way to work if you are dealing with full bands on
>>>> a regular basis. Even with Paris, I used the main mix as my cue mix, and
>>>> offered only a single HP mix.
>>>>
>>>> This is one of the main reasons we purchased the DM2K for the studio,
>>>> comprehensive cue mixing, digital routing between computers and
>>>> pres/convertors, and (bonus) saving of all settings with the project
>>>> through the Studio Manager software built into Nuendo.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, that's my $2.45... ;-)
>>>>
>>>> David.
>>>>
>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Chris,
>>>>> Thaks for th heads up.
>>>>> I checked out the presonus forum and there is a lot of disappointment
>>>>> over
>>>>> there for sure.
>>>>> I particularlt dont like the CPU spiking with no apps open.
>>>>> I will steer clear from this one until they get their drivers
>>>>> straightend
>>>>> out. Man how can they sell that thing in that condition. I would be
>>>>> pissed.
>>>>> I am going with the original setup I posted and you suggested.
>>>>> 1 motu 8 pre and 1 presonus digimax FS.
>>>>> Maybe later after they fix th presonus firestudio I will trade in the
>>>>> Digimax
>>>>> to get it.
>>>>> Thx b
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox
>>>>>> gizmo's
>>>>>
>>>>>> for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record a
>>>>>
>>>>>> vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The
>>>>>> thing
>>>>>
>>>>>> that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least
>>>>>> appears
>>>>>
>>>>>> to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so our
>>>>>> platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the
>>>>>> network
>>>>>
>>>>> >from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for simple
>>>>>
>>>>>> stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new
>>>>>> graphics/music
>>>>>
>>>>>> computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured
>>>>>> the
>>>>> FW
>>>>>
>>>>>> port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>>>>>> interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HI Brandon,
>>>>>>> Driver -
>>>>>>> Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers. You
>>>>> can
>>>>>
>>>>>>> at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
>>>>>>> internal routing control.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>>>>> dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>>>>> Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>>>>>
>>>>>>> channels.
>>>>>>> Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>> unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost
>>>>>>> every
>>>>>
>>>>>>> unit with some other device.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range with
>>>>>
>>>>>>> similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
>>>>> but
>>>>>
>>>>>>> has the same number of I/O.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU and
>>>>> RME
>>>>>
>>>>>>> products.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix
>>>>>>> controls
>>>>>
>>>>>>> similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>>>>> 1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>>>>> $1080.00
>>>>>>> This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>>>>> This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>>>>>>> seperate headphones)
>>>>>>> You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2
>>>>>>> DigimaxFS
>>>>>
>>>>>>> to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> neded.
>>>>>>>>> Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT,
>>>>>>>>> MANI
>>>>>>>>> OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic
>>>>>>>>> pres
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>>>>> as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for
>>>>>>>>> monitoring
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new
>>>>>>>>> routing
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> techniques
>>>>>>>>> in the future.
>>>>>>>>> all under$1200
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>> Don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>> The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your
>>>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> for?
>>>>>>>>>> How much I/O?
>>>>>>>>>> How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>>>>> you are correct.
>>>>>>>>>>> My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the
>>>>>>>>>>> Digimax
>>>>> FS.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio
>>>>>>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>>>>> b
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> missing
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about
>>>>>>>>>>>> them......
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging
>>>>>>>>>>>> electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will
>>>>>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but
>>>>>>>>>>>> wait......If
>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is
>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> adats.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big
>>>>>>>>>>>> deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so
>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Still learning,
>>>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Either
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 16
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle
>>>>>>>>>>>>> recordin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> gthat
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better
>>>>> off
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80279 is a reply to message #80275] |
Sun, 18 February 2007 12:56 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
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Also read my totalmix interpretation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RME#TotalMix
DJ wrote:
> John is the Totalcrap wizard. I'll bet he already has an answer to this. I
> think you can just go into the matrix screen and assign everything to
> anything anywhere and everywhere and, in the process, can set up some loops
> that will blow stuff up too.
>
> ;o)
>
> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:45d8adae@linux...
>> The only way I know of to bus one signal to two places at one time is by
>> using the sends on a track as well as the output bus. Past that, you may
>> actually have to use TotalCrap. ;-)
>>
>> David.
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>
>>> I'm just starting to try to get my head around this. I think it's going
>>> to have to happen somehow in totalmix but I'm not sure. I use the Furman
>>> HDS16 with HRM 16 remotes. I have each of the remotes paired with an
>>> Alesis Wedge which patches into the remotes via the remote send/return
>>> I/O and, IMHO (and every person's "O" that has used this) sounds great
>>> for tracking with some 'verb in the cans.
>>>
>>> soooo.......I need somehow to set up a bussing template. I could set up
>>> stereo busses in Cubase 4 with outputs assigned to analog my D/A's so
>>> that I could assign one or more tracks to any bus and have that bus
>>> routed to the HDS 16. My brain stops working when I get to the part where
>>> the entire mix is sent to the HDS 16 stereo input bus.
>>>
>>> Basically, what I need to be able to do is to bus a mono track to a mono
>>> input of the HDS 17 while that same mono track is assigned to a stereo us
>>> which is being output to a stereo input of the HDS16 and then all stereo
>>> busses of the mix are also bussed to the main mix inputs of the HDS16.
>>>
>>> This would have to involve Totalmix so I'm girding my loins for the
>>> learning curve. Once I get this sussed, it's going to be templated
>>> forever.
>>>
>>> Arrrrrggghhhh.........just watch...........I'll figure out a way.........
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree about the kludge factor
>>> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:45d8a46d@linux...
>>>
>>>> I would stick with the 8Pre/FS set-up and add an outboard mixer. I will
>>>> detail after the following....
>>>>
>>>> <RANT>
>>>>
>>>> I preface this by saying, I started off in this industry "old school",
>>>> with open reel tape machines and large format consoles. So, take this
>>>> with a bit of salt....
>>>>
>>>> The thing that really sticks in my craw with DAW's is Cue mixing. No one
>>>> has been able to create an elegant way of managing multiple cue mixes
>>>> without an external control surface mapped to Aux buses. With Cub/Nu you
>>>> have to create output buses, then go to each and every track to assign
>>>> the track to the bus, then turn them on. After all the assigning and
>>>> clicking about, you then have to go back through each track to adjust the
>>>> send levels... Rubbish! That is too much time consuming mousing around.
>>>> Even if you spend the time and create "template projects" you are still
>>>> faced with the arduous task of "select track, adjust send, select next
>>>> track, adjust send..." These developers need to create proper cue mix
>>>> buses that default to "all on" and that can be controlled from dedicated
>>>> cue mix windows with fader, pan, source select (pre/post EQ or inserts)
>>>> and a few send buses for FX while tracking. You should then be able to
>>>> switch easily between mixes while in the cue mix window. You could then
>>>> mouse around with the *entire cue mix* from one point without having to
>>>> switch windows. These software developers have obviously never worked a
>>>> session with 20 to 30 inputs (or more) and 4 or more stereo cue mixes
>>>> spanning several rooms... Even PTHD sucks at this without a controller.
>>>>
>>>> </RANT>
>>>>
>>>> So, with an external mixer like a 16ch A&H MixWizard, you could route all
>>>> 16 outs from your D/A's to the 16 inputs on the mixer. You then have
>>>> "knobs" in front of you for up to 4 mono cue mixes, FX while tracking,
>>>> and "faders" to adjust your monitoring mix. All this using "direct
>>>> monitoring" for no latency. Will you have mix recall capability... No.
>>>> Will you be able to create a rough mix ITB while tracking... No. It WILL
>>>> save you hours of grief and frustration, and the musicians can get on
>>>> with creating music instead of waiting for you to create their mixes.
>>>> This, IMHO, is the ONLY way to work if you are dealing with full bands on
>>>> a regular basis. Even with Paris, I used the main mix as my cue mix, and
>>>> offered only a single HP mix.
>>>>
>>>> This is one of the main reasons we purchased the DM2K for the studio,
>>>> comprehensive cue mixing, digital routing between computers and
>>>> pres/convertors, and (bonus) saving of all settings with the project
>>>> through the Studio Manager software built into Nuendo.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, that's my $2.45... ;-)
>>>>
>>>> David.
>>>>
>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Chris,
>>>>> Thaks for th heads up.
>>>>> I checked out the presonus forum and there is a lot of disappointment
>>>>> over
>>>>> there for sure.
>>>>> I particularlt dont like the CPU spiking with no apps open.
>>>>> I will steer clear from this one until they get their drivers
>>>>> straightend
>>>>> out. Man how can they sell that thing in that condition. I would be
>>>>> pissed.
>>>>> I am going with the original setup I posted and you suggested.
>>>>> 1 motu 8 pre and 1 presonus digimax FS.
>>>>> Maybe later after they fix th presonus firestudio I will trade in the
>>>>> Digimax
>>>>> to get it.
>>>>> Thx b
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox
>>>>>> gizmo's
>>>>>
>>>>>> for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record a
>>>>>
>>>>>> vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The
>>>>>> thing
>>>>>
>>>>>> that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least
>>>>>> appears
>>>>>
>>>>>> to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so our
>>>>>> platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the
>>>>>> network
>>>>>
>>>>> >from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for simple
>>>>>
>>>>>> stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new
>>>>>> graphics/music
>>>>>
>>>>>> computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured
>>>>>> the
>>>>> FW
>>>>>
>>>>>> port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>>>>>> interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HI Brandon,
>>>>>>> Driver -
>>>>>>> Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers. You
>>>>> can
>>>>>
>>>>>>> at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
>>>>>>> internal routing control.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>>>>> dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>>>>> Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>>>>>
>>>>>>> channels.
>>>>>>> Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>> unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost
>>>>>>> every
>>>>>
>>>>>>> unit with some other device.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range with
>>>>>
>>>>>>> similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
>>>>> but
>>>>>
>>>>>>> has the same number of I/O.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU and
>>>>> RME
>>>>>
>>>>>>> products.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix
>>>>>>> controls
>>>>>
>>>>>>> similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>>>>> 1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>>>>> $1080.00
>>>>>>> This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>>>>> This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>>>>>>> seperate headphones)
>>>>>>> You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2
>>>>>>> DigimaxFS
>>>>>
>>>>>>> to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> neded.
>>>>>>>>> Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT,
>>>>>>>>> MANI
>>>>>>>>> OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic
>>>>>>>>> pres
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>>>>> as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for
>>>>>>>>> monitoring
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new
>>>>>>>>> routing
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> techniques
>>>>>>>>> in the future.
>>>>>>>>> all under$1200
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>> Don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>> The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your
>>>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> for?
>>>>>>>>>> How much I/O?
>>>>>>>>>> How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>>>>> you are correct.
>>>>>>>>>>> My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the
>>>>>>>>>>> Digimax
>>>>> FS.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio
>>>>>>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>>>>> b
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> missing
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about
>>>>>>>>>>>> them......
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging
>>>>>>>>>>>> electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will
>>>>>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but
>>>>>>>>>>>> wait......If
>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is
>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> adats.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big
>>>>>>>>>>>> deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so
>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Still learning,
>>>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Either
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 16
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle
>>>>>>>>>>>>> recordin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> gthat
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better
>>>>> off
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80280 is a reply to message #80279] |
Sun, 18 February 2007 13:08 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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One last thing about TotalMix. I really like the design of it having
just 3 rows of faders with the first 2 being external hardware and
software (app) inputs and and the third row being the outputs. Knowing
you can route any of the two (24 plus spdif ins) input rows to any
output channel makes it easy to understand and beyond that it just
builds on this simple premise.
I really like it though it's a new world with lots of info and features.
John
John wrote:
> Also read my totalmix interpretation:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RME#TotalMix
>
> DJ wrote:
>> John is the Totalcrap wizard. I'll bet he already has an answer to
>> this. I think you can just go into the matrix screen and assign
>> everything to anything anywhere and everywhere and, in the process,
>> can set up some loops that will blow stuff up too.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:45d8adae@linux...
>>> The only way I know of to bus one signal to two places at one time is
>>> by using the sends on a track as well as the output bus. Past that,
>>> you may actually have to use TotalCrap. ;-)
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>> DJ wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm just starting to try to get my head around this. I think it's
>>>> going to have to happen somehow in totalmix but I'm not sure. I use
>>>> the Furman HDS16 with HRM 16 remotes. I have each of the remotes
>>>> paired with an Alesis Wedge which patches into the remotes via the
>>>> remote send/return I/O and, IMHO (and every person's "O" that has
>>>> used this) sounds great for tracking with some 'verb in the cans.
>>>>
>>>> soooo.......I need somehow to set up a bussing template. I could set
>>>> up stereo busses in Cubase 4 with outputs assigned to analog my
>>>> D/A's so that I could assign one or more tracks to any bus and have
>>>> that bus routed to the HDS 16. My brain stops working when I get to
>>>> the part where the entire mix is sent to the HDS 16 stereo input bus.
>>>>
>>>> Basically, what I need to be able to do is to bus a mono track to a
>>>> mono input of the HDS 17 while that same mono track is assigned to a
>>>> stereo us which is being output to a stereo input of the HDS16 and
>>>> then all stereo busses of the mix are also bussed to the main mix
>>>> inputs of the HDS16.
>>>>
>>>> This would have to involve Totalmix so I'm girding my loins for the
>>>> learning curve. Once I get this sussed, it's going to be templated
>>>> forever.
>>>>
>>>> Arrrrrggghhhh.........just watch...........I'll figure out a
>>>> way.........
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree about the kludge factor
>>>> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:45d8a46d@linux...
>>>>
>>>>> I would stick with the 8Pre/FS set-up and add an outboard mixer. I
>>>>> will detail after the following....
>>>>>
>>>>> <RANT>
>>>>>
>>>>> I preface this by saying, I started off in this industry "old
>>>>> school", with open reel tape machines and large format consoles.
>>>>> So, take this with a bit of salt....
>>>>>
>>>>> The thing that really sticks in my craw with DAW's is Cue mixing.
>>>>> No one has been able to create an elegant way of managing multiple
>>>>> cue mixes without an external control surface mapped to Aux buses.
>>>>> With Cub/Nu you have to create output buses, then go to each and
>>>>> every track to assign the track to the bus, then turn them on.
>>>>> After all the assigning and clicking about, you then have to go
>>>>> back through each track to adjust the send levels... Rubbish! That
>>>>> is too much time consuming mousing around. Even if you spend the
>>>>> time and create "template projects" you are still faced with the
>>>>> arduous task of "select track, adjust send, select next track,
>>>>> adjust send..." These developers need to create proper cue mix
>>>>> buses that default to "all on" and that can be controlled from
>>>>> dedicated cue mix windows with fader, pan, source select (pre/post
>>>>> EQ or inserts) and a few send buses for FX while tracking. You
>>>>> should then be able to switch easily between mixes while in the cue
>>>>> mix window. You could then mouse around with the *entire cue mix*
>>>>> from one point without having to switch windows. These software
>>>>> developers have obviously never worked a session with 20 to 30
>>>>> inputs (or more) and 4 or more stereo cue mixes spanning several
>>>>> rooms... Even PTHD sucks at this without a controller.
>>>>>
>>>>> </RANT>
>>>>>
>>>>> So, with an external mixer like a 16ch A&H MixWizard, you could
>>>>> route all 16 outs from your D/A's to the 16 inputs on the mixer.
>>>>> You then have "knobs" in front of you for up to 4 mono cue mixes,
>>>>> FX while tracking, and "faders" to adjust your monitoring mix. All
>>>>> this using "direct monitoring" for no latency. Will you have mix
>>>>> recall capability... No. Will you be able to create a rough mix ITB
>>>>> while tracking... No. It WILL save you hours of grief and
>>>>> frustration, and the musicians can get on with creating music
>>>>> instead of waiting for you to create their mixes. This, IMHO, is
>>>>> the ONLY way to work if you are dealing with full bands on a
>>>>> regular basis. Even with Paris, I used the main mix as my cue mix,
>>>>> and offered only a single HP mix.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is one of the main reasons we purchased the DM2K for the
>>>>> studio, comprehensive cue mixing, digital routing between computers
>>>>> and pres/convertors, and (bonus) saving of all settings with the
>>>>> project through the Studio Manager software built into Nuendo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, that's my $2.45... ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> David.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>> Thaks for th heads up.
>>>>>> I checked out the presonus forum and there is a lot of
>>>>>> disappointment over
>>>>>> there for sure.
>>>>>> I particularlt dont like the CPU spiking with no apps open.
>>>>>> I will steer clear from this one until they get their drivers
>>>>>> straightend
>>>>>> out. Man how can they sell that thing in that condition. I would
>>>>>> be pissed.
>>>>>> I am going with the original setup I posted and you suggested.
>>>>>> 1 motu 8 pre and 1 presonus digimax FS.
>>>>>> Maybe later after they fix th presonus firestudio I will trade in
>>>>>> the Digimax
>>>>>> to get it.
>>>>>> Thx b
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus
>>>>>>> Firebox gizmo's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and
>>>>>>> record a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on.
>>>>>>> The thing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at
>>>>>>> least appears
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so
>>>>>>> our platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on
>>>>>>> the network
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for
>>>>>>> simple
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new
>>>>>>> graphics/music
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I
>>>>>>> figured the
>>>>>> FW
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track
>>>>>>> recording interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>> Driver -
>>>>>>>> Not all the routing features are available in the current
>>>>>>>> drivers. You
>>>>>> can
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in
>>>>>>>> the internal routing control.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>>>>>> dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>>>>>> Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the
>>>>>>>> headphone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> channels.
>>>>>>>> Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues
>>>>>>>> then the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace
>>>>>>>> almost every
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> unit with some other device.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the
>>>>>>>> Presonus
>>>>>> but
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> has the same number of I/O.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the long run I think you really better off going with the
>>>>>>>> MOTU and
>>>>>> RME
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> products.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix
>>>>>>>> controls
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>>>>>> 1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>>>>>> $1080.00
>>>>>>>> This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>>>>>> This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count
>>>>>>>> the seperate headphones)
>>>>>>>> You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2
>>>>>>>> DigimaxFS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one
>>>>>>>>>> time if
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> neded.
>>>>>>>>>> Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out,
>>>>>>>>>> ADAT, MANI
>>>>>>>>>> OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many
>>>>>>>>>> mic pres
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>>>>>> as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for
>>>>>>>>>> monitoring
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new
>>>>>>>>>> routing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> techniques
>>>>>>>>>> in the future.
>>>>>>>>>> all under$1200
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>>> Don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>> The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8
>>>>>>>>>>> Pre will
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the
>>>>>>>>>>> Presonus
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface
>>>>>>>>>>> your looking
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> for?
>>>>>>>>>>> How much I/O?
>>>>>>>>>>> How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>>>>>> you are correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>> My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Digimax
>>>>>> FS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio
>>>>>>>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>>>>>> b
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> missing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them......
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> plugging electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait......If
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> again. They didn't document that and I had to call the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> company.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> adats.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> big deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still learning,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Either
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 16
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recordin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> gthat
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>> off
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80297 is a reply to message #80257] |
Sun, 18 February 2007 18:49 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
|
Senior Member |
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HI DJ,
The firebox sounds and generally works well but does have some firewire
chipset compatibility issues.
I'd recommend using a Firewire PCI card for any audio interfaces on the A8V.
You should also check out the Focusrite Sapphire LE or the TC Konnekt4D
all it he same price range.
Sonically they all sound better than the M-Audio FW410. The TC Konnect
series have a pair of excellent Mic-Pres but has issues with Sonar.
Works great with Cubase, Samp, Reaper, etc.
Chris
DJ wrote:
>Chris,
>
>I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox gizmo's
>for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record a
>vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The thing
>that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least appears
>to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so our
>platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the network
>from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>
>Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for simple
>stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new graphics/music
>computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured the FW
>port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>
>Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Deej
>
>
>
>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>
>
>>HI Brandon,
>>Driver -
>>Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers. You can
>>at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
>>internal routing control.
>>
>>Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>>channels.
>>Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>
>>If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then the
>>unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost every
>>unit with some other device.
>>
>>The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range with
>>similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus but
>>has the same number of I/O.
>>
>>In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU and RME
>>products.
>>
>>If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>
>>Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
>>similar to Presonus and RME.
>>
>>
>>1x MOTU 8Pre
>>1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>$1080.00
>>This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>
>>or
>>
>>2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>>seperate headphones)
>>You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
>>to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>Brandon wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time if
>>>>neded.
>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT, MANI
>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic pres
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>as
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new routing
>>>>techniques
>>>>in the future.
>>>>all under$1200
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre will
>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>
>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your looking
>>>>>
>>>>>for?
>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the Digimax FS.
>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>b
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm missing
>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging electric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will sound
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is perfect
>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in the
>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big deal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so you
>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both ways.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>Either
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>16
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle recordin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>gthat
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better off
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>with
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>ADK
>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>ADK
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>(859) 635-5762
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80321 is a reply to message #80297] |
Mon, 19 February 2007 08:52 |
Nil
Messages: 245
Registered: March 2007
|
Senior Member |
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Chris, how do the onboard EFX sound in the TC Konnekt?
Neil
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI DJ,
>The firebox sounds and generally works well but does have some firewire
>chipset compatibility issues.
>I'd recommend using a Firewire PCI card for any audio interfaces on the
A8V.
>
>You should also check out the Focusrite Sapphire LE or the TC Konnekt4D
>all it he same price range.
>Sonically they all sound better than the M-Audio FW410. The TC Konnect
>series have a pair of excellent Mic-Pres but has issues with Sonar.
>Works great with Cubase, Samp, Reaper, etc.
>
>
>
>Chris
>
>
>DJ wrote:
>
>>Chris,
>>
>>I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox gizmo's
>>for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record a
>>vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The thing
>>that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least appears
>>to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so our
>>platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the network
>>from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>
>>Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for simple
>>stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new graphics/music
>>computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured the
FW
>>port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>
>>Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>>interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>>
>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>
>>
>>>HI Brandon,
>>>Driver -
>>>Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers. You
can
>>>at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
>>>internal routing control.
>>>
>>>Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>>>channels.
>>>Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>
>>>If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then the
>>>unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost every
>>>unit with some other device.
>>>
>>>The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range with
>>>similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
but
>>>has the same number of I/O.
>>>
>>>In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU and
RME
>>>products.
>>>
>>>If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>
>>>Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
>>>similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>
>>>
>>>1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>$1080.00
>>>This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>
>>>or
>>>
>>>2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>>>seperate headphones)
>>>You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
>>>to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time if
>>>>>neded.
>>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT,
MANI
>>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic pres
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>as
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new routing
>>>>>techniques
>>>>>in the future.
>>>>>all under$1200
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre will
>>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your looking
>>>>>>
>>>>>>for?
>>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the Digimax
FS.
>>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>b
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm missing
>>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging electric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will sound
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is perfect
>>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in the
>>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big deal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so you
>>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both ways.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>Either
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>16
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle recordin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>gthat
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better
off
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>with
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>ADK
>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80323 is a reply to message #80297] |
Mon, 19 February 2007 09:35 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
|
Senior Member |
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I've had a Firebox for a while and have only ever had problems with it when
using it as what we used to call a wave device, i.e. using it as a system
sound device. The ASIO driver has been rock solid for me, using the on board
firewire on a Dell laptop.
TCB
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI DJ,
>The firebox sounds and generally works well but does have some firewire
>chipset compatibility issues.
>I'd recommend using a Firewire PCI card for any audio interfaces on the
A8V.
>
>You should also check out the Focusrite Sapphire LE or the TC Konnekt4D
>all it he same price range.
>Sonically they all sound better than the M-Audio FW410. The TC Konnect
>series have a pair of excellent Mic-Pres but has issues with Sonar.
>Works great with Cubase, Samp, Reaper, etc.
>
>
>
>Chris
>
>
>DJ wrote:
>
>>Chris,
>>
>>I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox gizmo's
>>for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record a
>>vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The thing
>>that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least appears
>>to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so our
>>platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the network
>>from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>
>>Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for simple
>>stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new graphics/music
>>computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured the
FW
>>port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>
>>Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>>interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>>
>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>
>>
>>>HI Brandon,
>>>Driver -
>>>Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers. You
can
>>>at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
>>>internal routing control.
>>>
>>>Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>>>channels.
>>>Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>
>>>If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then the
>>>unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost every
>>>unit with some other device.
>>>
>>>The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range with
>>>similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
but
>>>has the same number of I/O.
>>>
>>>In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU and
RME
>>>products.
>>>
>>>If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>
>>>Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
>>>similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>
>>>
>>>1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>$1080.00
>>>This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>
>>>or
>>>
>>>2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>>>seperate headphones)
>>>You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
>>>to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time if
>>>>>neded.
>>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT,
MANI
>>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic pres
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>as
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new routing
>>>>>techniques
>>>>>in the future.
>>>>>all under$1200
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre will
>>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your looking
>>>>>>
>>>>>>for?
>>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the Digimax
FS.
>>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>b
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm missing
>>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging electric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will sound
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is perfect
>>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in the
>>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big deal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so you
>>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both ways.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>Either
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>16
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle recordin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>gthat
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better
off
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>with
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>ADK
>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762
|
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80345 is a reply to message #80323] |
Mon, 19 February 2007 17:40 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
HI Thad,
If you have a compatible firewire chipset the Firebox works great.
Chris
TCB wrote:
>I've had a Firebox for a while and have only ever had problems with it when
>using it as what we used to call a wave device, i.e. using it as a system
>sound device. The ASIO driver has been rock solid for me, using the on board
>firewire on a Dell laptop.
>
>TCB
>
>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>
>
>>HI DJ,
>>The firebox sounds and generally works well but does have some firewire
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>chipset compatibility issues.
>>I'd recommend using a Firewire PCI card for any audio interfaces on the
>>
>>
>A8V.
>
>
>>You should also check out the Focusrite Sapphire LE or the TC Konnekt4D
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>all it he same price range.
>>Sonically they all sound better than the M-Audio FW410. The TC Konnect
>>series have a pair of excellent Mic-Pres but has issues with Sonar.
>>Works great with Cubase, Samp, Reaper, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>DJ wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Chris,
>>>
>>>I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox gizmo's
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record a
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The thing
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least appears
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so our
>>>platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the network
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>
>>
>>>Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for simple
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new graphics/music
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured the
>>>
>>>
>FW
>
>
>>>port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>>
>>>Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>Driver -
>>>>Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers. You
>>>>
>>>>
>can
>
>
>>>>at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
>>>>internal routing control.
>>>>
>>>>Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>>dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>>Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>channels.
>>>>Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>>
>>>>If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then the
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost every
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>unit with some other device.
>>>>
>>>>The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range with
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
>>>>
>>>>
>but
>
>
>>>>has the same number of I/O.
>>>>
>>>>In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU and
>>>>
>>>>
>RME
>
>
>>>>products.
>>>>
>>>>If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>>
>>>>Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>>1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>>$1080.00
>>>>This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>>
>>>>or
>>>>
>>>>2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>>This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>>>>seperate headphones)
>>>>You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Chris
>>>>
>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time if
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>>>neded.
>>>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>MANI
>
>
>>>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic pres
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>as
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new routing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>>>techniques
>>>>>>in the future.
>>>>>>all under$1200
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre will
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your looking
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>for?
>>>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the Digimax
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>FS.
>
>
>>>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio instead.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>>b
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm missing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging electric
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will sound
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>you
>
>
>>>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is perfect
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big deal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both ways.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>Either
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>16
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle recordin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>gthat
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>off
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>ADK
>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>ADK
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>(859) 635-5762
>>
>>
>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
|
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80346 is a reply to message #80321] |
Mon, 19 February 2007 17:42 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
HI Neil,
The effects are the fabrik-c compressor and fabrik- r reverb from the
powercore. the konnekt 24d has a bit of powercore dsp onboard. you can
download the assimulator plugin for free for the konneckt24d
Chris
Neil wrote:
>Chris, how do the onboard EFX sound in the TC Konnekt?
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>
>
>>HI DJ,
>>The firebox sounds and generally works well but does have some firewire
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>chipset compatibility issues.
>>I'd recommend using a Firewire PCI card for any audio interfaces on the
>>
>>
>A8V.
>
>
>>You should also check out the Focusrite Sapphire LE or the TC Konnekt4D
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>all it he same price range.
>>Sonically they all sound better than the M-Audio FW410. The TC Konnect
>>series have a pair of excellent Mic-Pres but has issues with Sonar.
>>Works great with Cubase, Samp, Reaper, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>DJ wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Chris,
>>>
>>>I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox gizmo's
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record a
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The thing
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least appears
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so our
>>>platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the network
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>
>>
>>>Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for simple
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new graphics/music
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured the
>>>
>>>
>FW
>
>
>>>port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>>
>>>Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>Driver -
>>>>Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers. You
>>>>
>>>>
>can
>
>
>>>>at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
>>>>internal routing control.
>>>>
>>>>Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>>dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>>Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>channels.
>>>>Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>>
>>>>If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then the
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost every
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>unit with some other device.
>>>>
>>>>The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range with
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
>>>>
>>>>
>but
>
>
>>>>has the same number of I/O.
>>>>
>>>>In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU and
>>>>
>>>>
>RME
>
>
>>>>products.
>>>>
>>>>If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>>
>>>>Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>>1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>>$1080.00
>>>>This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>>
>>>>or
>>>>
>>>>2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>>This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>>>>seperate headphones)
>>>>You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Chris
>>>>
>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time if
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>>>neded.
>>>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>MANI
>
>
>>>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic pres
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>as
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new routing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>>>techniques
>>>>>>in the future.
>>>>>>all under$1200
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre will
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your looking
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>for?
>>>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the Digimax
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>FS.
>
>
>>>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio instead.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>>b
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm missing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging electric
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will sound
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>you
>
>
>>>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is perfect
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big deal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both ways.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>Either
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>16
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle recordin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>gthat
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>off
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>ADK
>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>ADK
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>(859) 635-5762
>>
>>
>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80348 is a reply to message #80323] |
Mon, 19 February 2007 19:15 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
|
Senior Member |
|
|
But there seems to be this general opinion that there is something 'wrong'
with the driver in all cases. Needing to have the right chipset for an esoteric
third party add-on is a mild pain and something that should be known, but
the idea that the Presonus gear doesn't work correctly or has 'bad drivers'
is just bosh. I'm not saying you were implying this, but I've started to
hear/read that in various places.
TCB
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>I've had a Firebox for a while and have only ever had problems with it when
>using it as what we used to call a wave device, i.e. using it as a system
>sound device. The ASIO driver has been rock solid for me, using the on board
>firewire on a Dell laptop.
>
>TCB
>
>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>HI DJ,
>>The firebox sounds and generally works well but does have some firewire
>
>>chipset compatibility issues.
>>I'd recommend using a Firewire PCI card for any audio interfaces on the
>A8V.
>>
>>You should also check out the Focusrite Sapphire LE or the TC Konnekt4D
>
>>all it he same price range.
>>Sonically they all sound better than the M-Audio FW410. The TC Konnect
>>series have a pair of excellent Mic-Pres but has issues with Sonar.
>>Works great with Cubase, Samp, Reaper, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>DJ wrote:
>>
>>>Chris,
>>>
>>>I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox gizmo's
>
>>>for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record
a
>
>>>vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The thing
>
>>>that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least appears
>
>>>to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so our
>>>platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the network
>
>>>from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>>
>>>Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for simple
>
>>>stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new graphics/music
>
>>>computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured
the
>FW
>>>port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>>
>>>Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>
>>>interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>Driver -
>>>>Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers. You
>can
>>>>at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
>>>>internal routing control.
>>>>
>>>>Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>>dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>>Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>
>>>>channels.
>>>>Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>>
>>>>If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then
the
>
>>>>unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost every
>
>>>>unit with some other device.
>>>>
>>>>The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range with
>
>>>>similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
>but
>>>>has the same number of I/O.
>>>>
>>>>In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU and
>RME
>>>>products.
>>>>
>>>>If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>>
>>>>Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
>
>>>>similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>>1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>>$1080.00
>>>>This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>>
>>>>or
>>>>
>>>>2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>>This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>>>>seperate headphones)
>>>>You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
>
>>>>to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Chris
>>>>
>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time
if
>
>>>>>>neded.
>>>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT,
>MANI
>>>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic
pres
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>as
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new routing
>
>>>>>>techniques
>>>>>>in the future.
>>>>>>all under$1200
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre will
>
>>>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>
>>>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your looking
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>for?
>>>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the Digimax
>FS.
>>>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio instead.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>>b
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm missing
>
>>>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>
>>>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging electric
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will
sound
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
>you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is perfect
>
>>>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in the
>
>>>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big
deal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so you
>
>>>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both ways.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>Either
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one
time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>16
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle recordin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>gthat
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better
>off
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>ADK
>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>ADK
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>(859) 635-5762
>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80351 is a reply to message #80348] |
Mon, 19 February 2007 20:46 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
HI Thad,
The main issues they have with the Firebox have to do with their choice
of 1394 chip they as well a bunch other manufacturers use. There some
combo firewire /pcmicia and or card reader chipset by Ricoh and ENE and
well as some firewire 400/800 combo chip sets that have recently started
to be used in the majority of mid and low priced laptops. Especially
ones that have a combination or card bus/ express slot. Presonus are
working on driver updates to possibly fix these compatibilty issues. The
issues with the fire studio are not the same as what is happening with
fireboxes. We've actually sent some laptops to them so they can
hopefully improve the issues. We supply them with systems for trade
shows and for their developers to use already. ASUS, Clevo, Dell and
probably others have models that use these Ricoh chip sets. The only
reason we came across this is when we were trying to find white boxes we
could still sell that had card bus. All the ones we could still get
suffered from having these chip sets. Sense RME is the only company
still making a card bus and will be replacing it soon with a express
version we decided it wasn't worth the effort. RME and other make
firewire devices that work as well or better than the RME card bus units.
The Ricoh firewire/card bus combo chip sets will have performance issues
with card bus devices such as the RME as well as Firewire devices.
End users will almost always tend to assume it is drivers or the
Operating Systems that are at fault.
PS- Can you please overnight me a large pepperoni and sausage pizza from
Pepe's. The supposedly "best" Pizza down here is about as good as in a
High School cafeteria . :)
Chris
TCB wrote:
>But there seems to be this general opinion that there is something 'wrong'
>with the driver in all cases. Needing to have the right chipset for an esoteric
>third party add-on is a mild pain and something that should be known, but
>the idea that the Presonus gear doesn't work correctly or has 'bad drivers'
>is just bosh. I'm not saying you were implying this, but I've started to
>hear/read that in various places.
>
>TCB
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I've had a Firebox for a while and have only ever had problems with it when
>>using it as what we used to call a wave device, i.e. using it as a system
>>sound device. The ASIO driver has been rock solid for me, using the on board
>>firewire on a Dell laptop.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>HI DJ,
>>>The firebox sounds and generally works well but does have some firewire
>>>
>>>
>>>chipset compatibility issues.
>>>I'd recommend using a Firewire PCI card for any audio interfaces on the
>>>
>>>
>>A8V.
>>
>>
>>>You should also check out the Focusrite Sapphire LE or the TC Konnekt4D
>>>
>>>
>>>all it he same price range.
>>>Sonically they all sound better than the M-Audio FW410. The TC Konnect
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>series have a pair of excellent Mic-Pres but has issues with Sonar.
>>>Works great with Cubase, Samp, Reaper, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>DJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Chris,
>>>>
>>>>I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox gizmo's
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record
>>>>
>>>>
>a
>
>
>>>>vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The thing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least appears
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so our
>>>>platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the network
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for simple
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new graphics/music
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured
>>>>
>>>>
>the
>
>
>>FW
>>
>>
>>>>port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>>>
>>>>Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>Driver -
>>>>>Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers. You
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>can
>>
>>
>>>>>at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
>>>>>internal routing control.
>>>>>
>>>>>Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>>>dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>>>Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>channels.
>>>>>Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>>>
>>>>>If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then
>>>>>
>>>>>
>the
>
>
>>>>>unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost every
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>unit with some other device.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range with
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>but
>>
>>
>>>>>has the same number of I/O.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>RME
>>
>>
>>>>>products.
>>>>>
>>>>>If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>>>
>>>>>Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>>>1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>>>$1080.00
>>>>>This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>>>
>>>>>or
>>>>>
>>>>>2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>>>This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>>>>>seperate headphones)
>>>>>You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>if
>
>
>>>>>>>neded.
>>>>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>MANI
>>
>>
>>>>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>pres
>
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new routing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>techniques
>>>>>>>in the future.
>>>>>>>all under$1200
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre will
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your looking
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>for?
>>>>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the Digimax
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>FS.
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio instead.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>>>b
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm missing
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging electric
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>sound
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>you
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is perfect
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>deal.
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Either
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>time.
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>16
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle recordin
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>gthat
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>off
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>ADK
>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>ADK
>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80359 is a reply to message #80348] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 04:45 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Thad,
I don't know about the general opinion, since I haven't done much research,
but my personal experience with the Firepod has been a disaster. Snaps,
crackles, pops, lockups, usable only at unplayable latencies (figure that
out :-)). Two different computers, three different chipsets, all the driver
revs. Extremely inflexible live monitoring, lack of panning when used in
standalone mode. The list goes on and on, and I've basically given up on
recording because I can't afford the time or the money to research and buy
something different.
Chuck
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>But there seems to be this general opinion that there is something 'wrong'
>with the driver in all cases. Needing to have the right chipset for an esoteric
>third party add-on is a mild pain and something that should be known, but
>the idea that the Presonus gear doesn't work correctly or has 'bad drivers'
>is just bosh. I'm not saying you were implying this, but I've started to
>hear/read that in various places.
>
>TCB
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>I've had a Firebox for a while and have only ever had problems with it
when
>>using it as what we used to call a wave device, i.e. using it as a system
>>sound device. The ASIO driver has been rock solid for me, using the on
board
>>firewire on a Dell laptop.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>HI DJ,
>>>The firebox sounds and generally works well but does have some firewire
>>
>>>chipset compatibility issues.
>>>I'd recommend using a Firewire PCI card for any audio interfaces on the
>>A8V.
>>>
>>>You should also check out the Focusrite Sapphire LE or the TC Konnekt4D
>>
>>>all it he same price range.
>>>Sonically they all sound better than the M-Audio FW410. The TC Konnect
>
>>>series have a pair of excellent Mic-Pres but has issues with Sonar.
>>>Works great with Cubase, Samp, Reaper, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>DJ wrote:
>>>
>>>>Chris,
>>>>
>>>>I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox gizmo's
>>
>>>>for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record
>a
>>
>>>>vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The thing
>>
>>>>that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least appears
>>
>>>>to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so our
>>>>platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the network
>>
>>>>from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>>>
>>>>Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for simple
>>
>>>>stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new graphics/music
>>
>>>>computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured
>the
>>FW
>>>>port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>>>
>>>>Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>>
>>>>interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>Driver -
>>>>>Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers. You
>>can
>>>>>at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
>>>>>internal routing control.
>>>>>
>>>>>Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>>>dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>>>Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>>
>>>>>channels.
>>>>>Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>>>
>>>>>If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then
>the
>>
>>>>>unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost every
>>
>>>>>unit with some other device.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range with
>>
>>>>>similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
>>but
>>>>>has the same number of I/O.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU and
>>RME
>>>>>products.
>>>>>
>>>>>If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>>>
>>>>>Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
>>
>>>>>similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>>>1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>>>$1080.00
>>>>>This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>>>
>>>>>or
>>>>>
>>>>>2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>>>This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>>>>>seperate headphones)
>>>>>You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
>>
>>>>>to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time
>if
>>
>>>>>>>neded.
>>>>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT,
>>MANI
>>>>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic
>pres
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new routing
>>
>>>>>>>techniques
>>>>>>>in the future.
>>>>>>>all under$1200
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre
will
>>
>>>>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>
>>>>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your looking
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>for?
>>>>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the Digimax
>>FS.
>>>>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio instead.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>>>b
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm missing
>>
>>>>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>>
>>>>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging electric
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will
>sound
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
>>you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is perfect
>>
>>>>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in the
>>
>>>>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big
>deal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so
you
>>
>>>>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both
ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Either
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one
>time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>16
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle recordin
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>gthat
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better
>>off
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>ADK
>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>ADK
>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>(859) 635-5762
>>
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