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| Re: DO NOT BUY A BEHRINGER BCF2000...EVIL!!!! EVIL!!!!! [message #54801 is a reply to message #54800] |
Wed, 22 June 2005 11:09   |
EK Sound
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t feature. Anyway, I though I'd let you Mac
people know that Drumagog rocks on OSX.
TonyI know that some music stores have a blue book that has equipment values.
Does anybody know if there is an equipment blue book on the internet? I
need to do an accurate equipment appraisal.
Thanks
JamesWow, I came so close to buying one of those and then Brad Lyons warned me
about them so I backed off. Hmm.. the he took for for $1000 more to buy the
Tascam 1884! Sales guys. :)
"Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:42b96594@linux...
> *&^&*(&^&%^^^^^^^^^^&*(%^&%$$%$^& ;!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:42b95ae3@linux...
>> I'm sorry Dave but I suffer from Clusters and there's no way "B" is that
>> much of a pain....well maybe not that much of a pain
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:42b8f1fa$1@linux...
>> > BCF - Big Cluster.... well, you know. :-P
>> >
>> > At least it didn't catch fire.... did it?
>> >
>> > David.
>> >
>> > Mr Simplicity wrote:
>> >> You don't even wanna' know right now. I'm going to figure out what
>> >> this
>> >> (&%^%&^%&^%^&%$ driver did to hose my entire system and then I'll let
> you
>> >> know.
>> >>
>> >> ^&&^%$$%#%$@#^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >>
>>
>
>Try here James.
http://www.prepal.com/
Tony
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I know that some music stores have a blue book that has equipment values.
> Does anybody know if there is an equipment blue book on the internet? I
> need to do an accurate equipment appraisal.
>
> Thanks
>
> JamesHi James,
The only real blue book sadly is EBay.
Look at completed items only and you will easily see what some ones
willing to pay for something. We started using that as the main way of
taking trade-ins when I worked at East Coast. We would only refer to the
blue book if the item wasn't on Ebay.
Chris
James McCloskey wrote:
> I know that some music stores have a blue book that has equipment values.
> Does anybody know if there is an equipment blue book on the internet? I
> need to do an accurate equipment appraisal.
>
> Thanks
>
> James
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comI know that some music stores have a blue book that has equipment values.
Does anybody know if there is an equipment blue book on the internet? I
need to do an accurate equipment appraisal.
Thanks
JamesThank guys! It's going to be tuff to put a value on things like used cables,
CPUs and racks.
James
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>I know that some music stores have a blue book that has equipment values.
> Does anybody know if there is an equipment blue book on the internet?
I
>need to do an accurate equipment appraisal.
>
>Thanks
>
>JamesI downloaded the demo but can't figure out how to use it, there is no VST
plug in
just a bunch of .gog files, anyone get it to work? Thanx in advance. -PaulWe usually use the following rule of thumb for equipment 5 years old
or newer:
Mint, with original packing - 60 to 70% of new
Mint, no packing or documentation - 55% of new
Good, mild wear and tear, but fully functional - 50% of new
Fair - well used but fully functional - 45% of new
Poor - Cosmetic damage but functional - 40% of new
Anything worse than that gets "whatever the market will bear". For
equipment older than 5 years, you have to take into account "vintage"
or "collectable" status as well.
YMMV
David.
James McCloskey wrote:
> Thank guys! It's going to be tuff to put a value on things like used cables,
> CPUs and racks.
>
> James
>
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| Re: DO NOT BUY A BEHRINGER BCF2000...EVIL!!!! EVIL!!!!! [message #54802 is a reply to message #54798] |
Wed, 22 June 2005 11:15 |
erlilo
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nk">excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>I know that some music stores have a blue book that has equipment values.
>>Does anybody know if there is an equipment blue book on the internet?
>
> I
>
>>need to do an accurate equipment appraisal.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>James>"Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:42b96594@linux...
> *&^&*(&^&%^^^^^^^^^^&*(%^&%$$%$^& ;!!!!!!!!!!!
That's easy for you to say
dcn
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:42b95ae3@linux...
>> I'm sorry Dave but I suffer from Clusters and there's no way "B" is that
>> much of a pain....well maybe not that much of a pain
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:42b8f1fa$1@linux...
>> > BCF - Big Cluster.... well, you know. :-P
>> >
>> > At least it didn't catch fire.... did it?
>> >
>> > David.
>> >
>> > Mr Simplicity wrote:
>> >> You don't even wanna' know right now. I'm going to figure out what
>> >> this
>> >> (&%^%&^%&^%^&%$ driver did to hose my entire system and then I'll let
> you
>> >> know.
>> >>
>> >> ^&&^%$$%#%$@#^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >>
>>
>
>I've been playing guitar for years, but I've never gotten into learning to
improvise/solo until now. I thought try on my own for awhile, to make sure
I'm committed before finding a teacher. But, I'm not sure which is the best
approach to learning. I've downloaded some teaching software (www.guitarscalesmethod.com),
and I've also gotten some books full of scale patterns. It seems like I'm
presented with two different approaches:
1. This guitarscales thingy is teaching 5 "grid" patterns that contain within
them all the modes and scales needed. But you don't really learn the scale
pattern per se. Essentially, you learn these grids and from there you learn
scale patterns, modes etc...
2. The other approach seems to be to learn scale patterns for all the modes,
gradually increasing your scale pattern vocabulary, and learn the notes on
the entire neck. None of this grid stuff.
Gosh, I'm ashamed of my newbiness, but I want to go about this in the most
efficient way I can, and there must be approaches that are more efficient
than others. (By the way, I have a good grounding in theory and technique
-though I'm mostly a rhythm player.)
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
MRWatch TV and come up with a solo by ear for every ad during the ad breaks.
Durring the actual show practice picking/fingering coordination technique...
Cheers,
Pete Alec
"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:42b9df09$1@linux...
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> I've been playing guitar for years, but I've never gotten into learning to
> improvise/solo until now. I thought try on my own for awhile, to make
sure
> I'm committed before finding a teacher. But, I'm not sure which is the
best
> approach to learning. I've downloaded some teaching software
(www.guitarscalesmethod.com),
> and I've also gotten some books full of
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| Re: DO NOT BUY A BEHRINGER BCF2000...EVIL!!!! EVIL!!!!! [message #54805 is a reply to message #54796] |
Wed, 22 June 2005 12:58 |
gmmccurdy
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o go about this in the most
> efficient way I can, and there must be approaches that are more efficient
> than others. (By the way, I have a good grounding in theory and technique
> -though I'm mostly a rhythm player.)
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> MR
>Hey guys and gals,
I am back..
I finally got my new comp :
AMD xp3000
a7n8x-e deluxe asus mb
1gb ram
two wd 10k rpm hd's
paris 3.0
XP operating system
i/o 128
i/o 50mb
caching 8192
I have got paris running and have done every update
I could find on steve the art guys page.
I am having weird querks......
When I first boot up paris and load a project it plays SLOW
for a few seconds then jumps to the correct speed.
After that it doesn't seem to happen again...???>>>....???
Any suggestions.???>>>???
Also, when I insert effects (eds) while running a project it makes a funny
BOING sound...
like a ring modulator...
any ideas????>>><>>????
THanks,
Glad to finally be up and going.
Still got some work to do on the room acoustics and desk project...
Happy parising..
BrandonIs it true that you can punch a horse on the nose and reduce it to a
quivering wreck? Come to think of it, that probably works on most mammals...
Deej, have you ever seen "office Space"? It's one of my top five comedies
ever. Sublime, so good it hurts your feelings. Anyway, it has, amongst other
gems, a classic bit where the three buddies exact their revenge on a
terminally recalcitrant piece of office equipment...so good...
Jimmy
"Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net
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| Re: DO NOT BUY A BEHRINGER BCF2000...EVIL!!!! EVIL!!!!! [message #54816 is a reply to message #54800] |
Wed, 22 June 2005 18:44 |
uptown jimmy
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>> > >>"Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> skrev i en meddelelse
>> > >>news:42b8df79@linux...
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>> > >
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> ^&*(*&%^%$*&&(*))&^&*%$^###$%^&% $#%$@^$^@@#^%$#%&%$*^(*))+_(*_&&*&^&*%%^ %$%^
>> > >
>> > >>> #$%#%%^$#@$%^%^&*%^(((&**)&^*&(%^&*$^&am p;$%#%$@#$$%^&$
>> > >>>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> > >>>
>> > >>>;O( ;O{ ;o0
>> > >>> :OP..........^&*((%^^%^#%^^$&*%^&*()&&(* )))(*&))))))*&^*&**^&^
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> > >>>news:42b8cc94$1@linux...
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>Deej.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>Dude.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>C'mon. You give that company money and you are patently begging for
>> > >>>>posterior abuse. Everybody knows that.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>I love you, I value you, I respect you, but c'mon....
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>Jimmy
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>"Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> > >>>>news:42b8b90a$1@linux...
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>>You don't even wanna' know right now. I'm going to figure out what
>> > >>
>> > >>this
>> > >>
>> > >>>>>(&%^%&^%&^%^&%$ driver did to hose my entire system and then I'll
>> > >
>> > > let
>> > >
>> > >>>you
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>>know.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>^&&^%$$%#%$@#^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
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>I just can't believe that - considering your experiences with
that product line - you would let anything with their logo on it
within 500 feet of your studio.
Neil
"Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote:
>You don't even wanna' know right now. I'm going to figure out what this
>(&%^%&^%&^%^&%$ driver did to hose my entire system and then I'll let you
>know.
>
>^&&^%$$%#%$@#^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Greek. You're speakin' Greek to me, and I've been playing guitar for 10
years. For better or worse...
Jimmy
"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:42b9df09$1@linux...
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> I've been playing guitar for years, but I've never gotten into learning to
> improvise/solo until now. I thought try on my own for awhile, to make
sure
> I'm committed before finding a teacher. But, I'm not sure which is the
best
> approach to learning. I've downloaded some teaching software
(www.guitarscalesmethod.com),
> and I've also gotten some books full of scale patterns. It seems like I'm
> presented with two different approaches:
> 1. This guitarscales thingy is teaching 5 "grid" patterns that contain
within
> them all the modes and scales needed. But you don't really learn the
scale
> pattern per se. Essentially, you learn these grids and from there you
learn
> scale patterns, modes etc...
> 2. The other approach seems to be to learn scale patterns for all the
modes,
> gradually increasing your scale pattern vocabulary, and learn the notes on
> the entire neck. None of this grid stuff.
> Gosh, I'm ashamed of my newbiness, but I want to go about this in the most
> efficient way I can, and there must be approaches that are more efficient
> than others. (By the way, I have a good grounding in theory and technique
> -though I'm mostly a rhythm player.)
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> MR
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| Re: DO NOT BUY A BEHRINGER BCF2000...EVIL!!!! EVIL!!!!! [message #54820 is a reply to message #54818] |
Wed, 22 June 2005 22:13 |
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Behringer BC2000=$199.00
Mackie Control=$999.00
I figured it might be worth a try. How could something as benign as a little
doohickie that moves faders up and down be a problem. Well........Uli
figured out a way.
Maybe I'll look around for a Houston controller on EBay.
I've got my computer up and running again after uninstalling/reinstalling
Cubase SX so I'm good there.
The BCF2000 is definitely defective. The driver loading procedure requires
the user to plug the unit in, wait for Windows to recognize new hardware,
then to double click on a .exe file which loads the driver. This unit is not
recognized as new hardware by Windows. I have tried every permutation I know
of to get a driver to work. The driver shows up in the device manager, but
in the configuration panel for the Mackie control in SX (the device this POS
is supposed to emulate), only an input device shows up. According to
Behringer tech support, this ain't right at all. It's going back to MF in
the AM. I've spent two days of my life dealing with this evil piece of crap.
No more.
;o(
"Neil" <IOUI@IU.com> wrote in message news:42ba23e2$1@linux...
>
> I just can't believe that - considering your experiences with
> that product line - you would let anything with their logo on it
> within 500 feet of your studio.
>
> Neil
>
>
> "Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote:
> >You don't even wanna' know right now. I'm going to figure out what this
> >(&%^%&^%&^%^&%$ driver did to hose my entire system and then I'll let you
> >know.
> >
> >^&&^%$$%#%$@#^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >
>I get that fairly often as well. I don't get the crash on exit, so if it
fails it almost always finds it by quiting Paris and launching it again
without needing to reboot.
I think's it's an XP/driver thing, but perhaps there are some config's that
don't get this problem? Anyone?
-ted
"Dave Geoghegan" <daveg@knowledgextensions.com> wrote in message
news:42b62b06$1@linux...
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm running Paris 3.0 and Win XP. Sometimes I get the "no interface
> attached
> to master card" error message 1 in 3 reboots.
>
> I am using long (15 ft) SCSI cables , but they worked fine under 98.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Dave
>Deej,
Doesn't system restore help?
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:42b980e1@linux...
>
> Good luck, Deej. What a drag!
>
> If you haven't yet smashed the BCF2000 with a hammer feel free to send it
> to me for, uh, disposal. I think it'll work OK on OSX.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> Mr Simplicity wrote:
>
>> I may end up having to reformat my system drive because of this evil
>> bastard. Removing the driver from the device manager doesn't exorcise the
>> demon. I've uninstalled Cubase SX nd reinstalled it. I can't add a midi
>> track to any project without the system freezing up solid.
>>
>> I'm going to do some additional exploratory surgery before I pronounce
>> the
>> patient dead. I've located the command lines for every piece of shit code
>> this thing has introduced. Now all I need is about a half day with
>> nothing
>> better to do.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:42b973a9@linux...
>>
>>>.....hmmm.....It lookes for me that you have used the chinese drivers, so
>>>it's understandable with your problems. Be happy it didn't exploded by
>>>touching the wrong knob too........please, don't start more
>>>fireproblems.....hmmm.....
>>>
>>>erlilo
>>>
>>>
>>>"Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>news:42b8df79@linux...
>>>
>> ^&*(*&%^%$*&&(*))&^&*%$^###$%^&% $#%$@^$^@@#^%$#%&%$*^(*))+_(*_&&*&^&*%%^ %$%^
>>
>>>> #$%#%%^$#@$%^%^&*%^(((&**)&^*&(%^&*$^&am p;$%#%$@#$$%^&$
>>>>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>;O( ;O{ ;o0
>>>> :OP..........^&*((%^^%^#%^^$&*%^&*()&&(* )))(*&))))))*&^*&**^&^
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:42b8cc94$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>Deej.
>>>>>
>>>>>Dude.
>>>>>
>>>>>C'mon. You give that company money and you are patently begging for
>>>>>posterior abuse. Everybody knows that.
>>>>>
>>>>>I love you, I value you, I respect you, but c'mon....
>>>>>
>>>>>Jimmy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:42b8b90a$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>>You don't even wanna' know right now. I'm going to figure out what
>>>
>>>this
>>>
>>>>>>(&%^%&^%&^%^&%$ driver did to hose my entire system and then I'll
>>
>> let
>>
>>>>you
>>>>
>>>>>>know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>^&&^%$$%#%$@#^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>I see later that you fixed it...clever boy !!!
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:42ba4c37@linux...
> Deej,
> Doesn't system restore help?
> --
> Martin Harrington
> www.lendanear-sound.com
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:42b980e1@linux...
>>
>> Good luck, Deej. What a drag!
>>
>> If you haven't yet smashed the BCF2000 with a hammer feel free to send it
>> to me for, uh, disposal. I think it'll work OK on OSX.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> Mr Simplicity wrote:
>>
>>> I may end up having to reformat my system drive because of this evil
>>> bastard. Removing the driver from the device manager doesn't exorcise
>>> the
>>> demon. I've uninstalled Cubase SX nd reinstalled it. I can't add a midi
>>> track to any project without the system freezing up solid.
>>>
>>> I'm going to do some additional exploratory surgery before I pronounce
>>> the
>>> patient dead. I've located the command lines for every piece of shit
>>> code
>>> this thing has introduced. Now all I need is about a half day with
>>> nothing
>>> better to do.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:42b973a9@linux...
>>>
>>>>.....hmmm.....It lookes for me that you have used the chinese drivers,
>>>>so
>>>>it's understandable with your problems. Be happy it didn't exploded by
>>>>touching the wrong knob too........please, don't start more
>>>>fireproblems.....hmm
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Wed, 22 June 2005 22:48 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
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s a normal (paris) thing.
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 18:53:25 -0500, "Brandon"
<brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>Hey guys and gals,
>
>I am back..
>I finally got my new comp :
>
>AMD xp3000
>a7n8x-e deluxe asus mb
>1gb ram
>two wd 10k rpm hd's
>paris 3.0
>XP operating system
>i/o 128
>i/o 50mb
>caching 8192
>
>
>I have got paris running and have done every update
>I could find on steve the art guys page.
>I am having weird querks......
>When I first boot up paris and load a project it plays SLOW
>for a few seconds then jumps to the correct speed.
>After that it doesn't seem to happen again...???>>>....???
>Any suggestions.???>>>???
>
>Also, when I insert effects (eds) while running a project it makes a funny
>BOING sound...
>like a ring modulator...
>any ideas????>>><>>????
>
>THanks,
>
>Glad to finally be up and going.
>Still got some work to do on the room acoustics and desk project...
>
>Happy parising..
>Brandon
>Get a good teacher.
And/or pick a tune that has a cool solo on it. First learn to sing the solo.
Then go looking for the notes on the neck. Most likely you'll find the
patterns
the guy was using. Once you figure that one out pick another. And another.
And another. After a while you'll have a vocabulary of cool licks to use
when improvising.
Scales are scales, not music. Using other people's "systems" seems to me a
lot like learning Morse code and then being told "OK, now say something".
First you have to have something to say. Learning how to type won't make
you an author, but having a story to tell can certainly make you learn to type!
Gantt
uptown jimmy wrote:
> Greek. You're speakin' Greek to me, and I've been playing guitar for 10
> years. For better or worse...
>
> Jimmy
>
> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:42b9df09$1@linux...
> >
> > I've been playing guitar for years, but I've never gotten into learning to
> > improvise/solo until now. I thought try on my own for awhile, to make
> sure
> > I'm committed before finding a teacher. But, I'm not sure which is the
> best
> > approach to learning. I've downloaded some teaching software
> (www.guitarscalesmethod.com),
> > and I've also gotten some books full of scale patterns. It seems like I'm
> > presented with two different approaches:
> > 1. This guitarscales thingy is teaching 5 "grid" patterns that contain
> within
> > them all the modes and scales needed. But you don't really learn the
> scale
> > pattern per se. Essentially, you learn these grids and from there you
> learn
> > scale patterns, modes etc...
> > 2. The other approach seems to be to learn scale patterns for all the
> modes,
> > gradually increasing your scale pattern vocabulary, and learn the notes on
> > the entire neck. None of this grid stuff.
> > Gosh, I'm ashamed of my newbiness, but I want to go about this in the most
> > efficient way I can, and there must be approaches that are more efficient
> > than others. (By the way, I have a good grounding in theory and technique
> > -though I'm mostly a rhythm player.)
> > Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> > MR
> >Learn some of your favorite guitar players solos. This will condition your
fingers of the possibilities.
db
"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:42b9df09$1@linux...
>
> I've been playing guitar for years, but I've never gotten into learning to
> improvise/solo until now. I thought try on my own for awhile, to make
sure
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Wed, 22 June 2005 23:51 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
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> I'm committed before finding a teacher. But, I'm not sure which is the
best
> approach to learning. I've downloaded some teaching software
(www.guitarscalesmethod.com),
> and I've also gotten some books full of scale patterns. It seems like I'm
> presented with two different approaches:
> 1. This guitarscales thingy is teaching 5 "grid" patterns that contain
within
> them all the modes and scales needed. But you don't really learn the
scale
> pattern per se. Essentially, you learn these grids and from there you
learn
> scale patterns, modes etc...
> 2. The other approach seems to be to learn scale patterns for all the
modes,
> gradually increasing your scale pattern vocabulary, and learn the notes on
> the entire neck. None of this grid stuff.
> Gosh, I'm ashamed of my newbiness, but I want to go about this in the most
> efficient way I can, and there must be approaches that are more efficient
> than others. (By the way, I have a good grounding in theory and technique
> -though I'm mostly a rhythm player.)
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> MR
>My advice, learn how to play vocal lines on guitar. Pay attention to the subtle
nuances in the phrasing, it'll give you a good sense of where to vibrato,
or slide, and where legato makes more sense than staccato.
Once you can play vocal melodies with ease, just start singing your own melodies,
and play them. Eventually, the notes will just appear in your head, and your
fingers will know where to go (most of the time).
Knowing the scales patterns isn't a bad thing, but I see them as mostly useful
when the melody isn't happening in your head yet, and you want to have a
'safe' set of notes to fall back on. Me, I see improvisation as happening
on a number of levels. At the outer level there's a thought process where
you might think about what sort of 'feel' you want to use. This influences
the tone, and registers that you use. Then at the innermost level there's
the scales and licks that you know by heart that you can hit on periodically.
The whole process involves sometimes thinking about every note, then switching
to 'autopilot' for a phrase or two, then back to more context sensitive melodies.
Rapid fire sequences are not typically really improvised, it's more like
a thought process you you think, I'm at this note right now, and want maybe
a rapid sqeuence up to some sustained not, so you blast through a sequence
and maybe along the way hear a note that speaks to you, so you hang on to
it for a while.
Really the key is to practice, and really listen to what you play. Try singing
notes in your head, and matching them on the guitar. You'll get good at it
in no time...
Good luck
Kris
"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>I've been playing guitar for years, but I've never gotten into learning
to
>improvise/solo until now. I thought try on my own for awhile, to make sure
>I'm committed before finding a teacher. But, I'm not sure which is the
best
>approach to learning. I've downloaded some teaching software (www.guitarscalesmethod.com),
>and I've also gotten some books full of scale patterns. It seems like I'm
>presented with two different approaches:
>1. This guitarscales thingy is teaching 5 "grid" patterns that contain within
>them all the modes and scales needed. But you don't really learn the scale
>pattern per se. Essentially, you learn these grids and from there you learn
>scale patterns, modes etc...
>2. The other approach seems to be to learn scale patterns for all the modes,
>gradually increasing your scale pattern vocabulary, and learn the notes
on
>the entire neck. None of this grid stuff.
>Gosh, I'm ashamed of my newbiness, but I want to go about this in the most
>efficient way I can, and there must be approaches that are more efficient
>than others. (By the way, I have a good grounding in theory and technique
>-though I'm mostly a rhythm player.)
>Any thoughts would be appreciated.
>MR
>Sorry I couldn't resist
OK maybe ther is a drummer in your system(speeds up slows down)
My Paris also makes the boing sound but more when the wife walks by ;-)~
Peace
D
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:m2tkb1h4p5t9ti1i5d5fie93kpjmoqcs2k@4ax.com...
> 1. the first sounds like the clock isn't setting itself on song load.
> check your mec/442 to see if it changes when the tempo does.
>
> 2. from what i remember that's a normal (paris) thing.
>
> On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 18:53:25 -0500, "Brandon"
> <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >Hey guys and gals,
> ><
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| Re: DO NOT BUY A BEHRINGER BCF2000...EVIL!!!! EVIL!!!!! [message #54900 is a reply to message #54843] |
Fri, 24 June 2005 17:46 |
Deej [3]
Messages: 181
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"Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote:
>After spending a bit of phone time with Behringer tech support trying to
get
>this thing happening, the final try using midi cables rather than it's
>whizbang USB connection, they pronounced it DOA. I hung up the phone and
>picked it up to disconnect the cables and accidentally dropped it.
>
>It now is working using the midi I/O. I think they need to add some sort
of
>reference to gravity in the operational manual.
>
>;oP
>
>hmmm.... dunno.
that matters?
i have extensions cuz the computers are in another room from my control
room.
they are probably ok cables... nothing special.
the switcher is a $50 belkin that i got a comp usa.
Jeremy
"tubeguru" <tubeguru@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:42bc9331$1@linux...
> Jeremy Luzier wrote:
>
> >a monitor/keyboard/mouse switcher that doesn't make my monitor jiggle and
> >jitter.
> >
> >the jitter is subtle but its there and i notice it from time to time and
it
> >bugs me.
> >
> >:-)
> >
> >thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> How good are your cables?
> Mike....hmm...so now it's working, but not as the manual is telling
you...hmm...good you have the horses that can be a support service for
you...hmm...;-)
erlilo
"Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:42bca81d@linux...
> Hi Erling ;o)
>
> It looks nice, but it's more than I need, and more importantly, more than
I
> can afford right now. I have discovered however, that if your Behringer
> fader controller doesn't work, you can drop it and this fixes it. Maybe if
I
> had put it out in the pasture with my horses on Tuesday, they would have
> fixed it much faster.
>
> ;o)
>
> "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:42bb0f0b@linux...
> > Doug, have you looked at this:
> >
>
http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/ContentDetail/ModelSerie sDetail/0,6373,C
> > NTID%253D21410%2526CTID%253D228600,00.html
> >
> > erlilo
> >
> > "Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> skrev i en meddelelse
> > news:42baf622@linux...
> > > Gene,
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| Re: DO NOT BUY A BEHRINGER BCF2000...EVIL!!!! EVIL!!!!! [message #54906 is a reply to message #54900] |
Fri, 24 June 2005 23:29 |
erlilo
Messages: 405
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e graphics were whacked
pretty bad. One of the newer laptops would probably work fine for this.
;o)
Deej]
"Dan B" <mrrinse@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message news:42bd1d72$1@linux...
>
> Hi,
> I remember reading somewhere that it's possible to control one pc across
> a network. I'd like to use a laptop to view the screen of my paris
computer.
> That way I can have the C16 and a silent laptop in the tracking room so I
> can control the Paris PC in the control room remotely. All I need to be
able
> to see is the screen - I don't need to actually be able to control it
(though
> that might be a bonus), since the C16 will do everything (I'm hesistant to
> use the c16 alone blind!). I know networking a Paris PC isn't ideal,
but...
>
>
> Thanks
> DanI use those old klunky green Belkin manual boxes. You turn a knob -it does
what it is supposed to do. when it wears out, it's a doorstop......plus,
it's got that vintage analog warmth.
;oP
"Jeremy Luzier" <j.luzier@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:42bc8850$1@linux...
> a monitor/keyboard/mouse switcher that doesn't make my monitor jiggle and
> jitter.
>
> the jitter is subtle but its there and i notice it from time to time and
it
> bugs me.
>
> :-)
>
> thanks!
>
>Or you could use a dual-head graphics card to clone your main screen
via longer cable (I use 25' here, no problem) out to a flat panel in
your trackingl room -- run extra mouse/keyboard cables too, if you
want... Full control in tracking room, no 2nd computer, no network...
Chas.
On 25 Jun 2005 19:01:38 +1000, "Dan B" <mrrinse@NOSPAMyahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>Hi,
>I remember reading somewhere that it's possible to control one pc across
>a network. I'd like to use a laptop to view the screen of my paris computer.
>That way I can have the C16 and a silent laptop in the tracking room so I
>can control the Paris PC in the control room remotely. All I need to be able
>to see is the screen - I don't need to actually be able to control it (though
>that might be a bonus), since the C16 will do everything (I'm hesistant to
>use the c16 alone blind!). I know networking a Paris PC isn't ideal, but...
>
>
>Thanks
>DanI use a Lynksys 4-port KVM - it works on scroll-scroll number keys, or
buttons on the unit. Mine required a simple PROM update to shut off
ctrl-key activation (which they sent for free), but works great now - quick
to switch, and comes with cables.
This isn't the one I have but seems to be the replacement version:
http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=36&scid =45&prid=137
Regards,
Dedric
On 6/24/05 10:27 PM, in article 42bcd9ee$1@linux, "Jeremy Luzier"
<j.luzier@comcast.net> wrote:
> hmmm.... dunno.
>
> that matters?
>
> i have extensions cuz the computers are in another room from my control
> room.
>
> they are probably ok cables... nothing special.
>
> the switcher is a $50 belkin that i got a comp usa.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> "tubeguru" <tubeguru@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:4
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