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Tue, 08 August 2006 14:36   |
LaMont
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Very Impressedd with OS-X Leopard. As with that new Pro Mac..
Question again, why do I need amac for Music?? Does this other Macs make
me want to go out and plop down 1k for Logic Audio??
With Samplitude 9, Asio 3/4 right around the corner, Sonar is till doing
it's thing and and Digi doing Midi very cool these days, how does Logic &
Dp fair in the DAW wars these days, since both are Proprietary and Platform
specific??
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>If you have the time and the patience, check out the WWDC KeyNote speech.
> I say patience because the servers are over loaded today, and the video
>breaks up at times. However, it will give you a good idea of what is going
>on, and you'll be more informed about Apple, what they have to offer, and
>where their going.
>
> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/aug_2006/event/index.h tml
>
>James
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>Leopard looks cool, check it out. Time Machine is like Rewind for Mac
O/S
>>8. This is also like XP.
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>>http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/
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>>James
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| Re: OSX Leopard, and WWDC [message #70971 is a reply to message #70968] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 15:22 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
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No one "needs" a Mac (or few do anyway). No one "needs" a Bugatti Veyron
16.4 either, but they're beautiful, fast, and expensive and I "want" one.
For us Mac users, the new machines are pretty damn beautiful too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron
Tony
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44d903f5$1@linux...
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> Very Impressedd with OS-X Leopard. As with that new Pro Mac..
> Question again, why do I need amac for Music?? Does this other Macs make
> me want to go out and plop down 1k for Logic Audio??
>
> With Samplitude 9, Asio 3/4 right around the corner, Sonar is till doing
> it's thing and and Digi doing Midi very cool these days, how does Logic &
> Dp fair in the DAW wars these days, since both are Proprietary and
> Platform
> specific??
>
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>If you have the time and the patience, check out the WWDC KeyNote speech.
>> I say patience because the servers are over loaded today, and the video
>>breaks up at times. However, it will give you a good idea of what is
>>going
>>on, and you'll be more informed about Apple, what they have to offer, and
>>where their going.
>>
>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/aug_2006/event/index.h tml
>>
>>James
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Leopard looks cool, check it out. Time Machine is like Rewind for Mac
> O/S
>>>8. This is also like XP.
>>>
>>>http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/
>>>
>>>James
>>
>
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| Re: OSX Leopard, and WWDC [message #70972 is a reply to message #70968] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 16:08 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Hey La Mont! I've always said, if your a PC guru there's not much sense in
learning a Mac. I know that you like I, use both platforms. All I can say
about the new Mac Pro is, damn that machine is COOL! I think it's hard to
argue with that. Not that you need one; )
As far as proprietary, I find it funny that you say that. In 1993-94, there
was no audio or MIDI software for the PC! Cakewalk was just starting to
show up around 94-95. Back in those days, it was Apple/Mac, Atari and Amega.
Well it was the Mac that survived, and the majority of the audio software
was on the Mac. Apple was in the Audio software game long before the PC.
For years Apple has led the way and the PC followed. Now they are on par.
You say proprietary, well isn't Sonar, and Samplitude 9 proprietary? They
are only available on one platform, the PC, right? I think, you think, PCs
are main stream and anything Mac only is Proprietary. Apple Machines can
run Mac O/S, Windows O/S, and UNIX, so who and what is proprietary? You
can run any thing you want on a Mac!
Many software venders have stopped support and development for the Mac.
As an example, Adobe stalled Premier development on the Mac side, to focus
on the PC version, so Apple had to make their move. I think it sucks that
Apple dropped Logic for the PC and jumped the price up, but so did everybody.
Nuendo $2600.00 list??? That is a lot of money for just software!!!
Now that Sony has Steinberg, we'll see if they continue Mac support. Apple
buying Emagic was a strategic move. I'm just not sure Logic was the right
move, Logic and ease of use don't go together vary well. Apple had to make
a move, I'm sure your glad they didn't buy Steinberg.
James
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Very Impressedd with OS-X Leopard. As with that new Pro Mac..
>Question again, why do I need amac for Music?? Does this other Macs make
>me want to go out and plop down 1k for Logic Audio??
>
>With Samplitude 9, Asio 3/4 right around the corner, Sonar is till doing
>it's thing and and Digi doing Midi very cool these days, how does Logic
&
>Dp fair in the DAW wars these days, since both are Proprietary and Platform
>specific??
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>If you have the time and the patience, check out the WWDC KeyNote speech.
>> I say patience because the servers are over loaded today, and the video
>>breaks up at times. However, it will give you a good idea of what is going
>>on, and you'll be more informed about Apple, what they have to offer, and
>>where their going.
>>
>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/aug_2006/event/index.h tml
>>
>>James
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Leopard looks cool, check it out. Time Machine is like Rewind for Mac
>O/S
>>>8. This is also like XP.
>>>
>>>http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/
>>>
>>>James
>>
>
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| Re: OSX Leopard, and WWDC [message #70974 is a reply to message #70972] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 20:27 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Hey James:
1 - Yamaha owns Steinberg - pretty cool things happening there - it appears
to be the only company poised to go head to head with Digidesign, but that's
my view, not industry rumor. Sony owns Sonic Foundry (Sound Forge, Vegas,
etc). Pretty cool there too - Vegas is becoming a serious contender in the
NLE market.
2 - Proprietary in a basically two platform market (with all due respect to
the Linux, Unix, etc users) can only truly apply to the variations and
options available in each of the two: There are a lot of options for a PC
in terms of supplier/manufacturer, price, capabilities, level of
performance, upgrades, config, etc (Dell, Sony, HP, Toshiba, Newegg/build
your own, etc); only one for a Mac - Apple. Only one upgrade path - buy a
new one. Have you guys seen the new Dell XPC "laptop".
3 - There is without a doubt more music software for the PC than Mac now. I
started my PC sequencing days with Cakewalk on Win 3.1 years ago (actually I
had a DOS notation app on a dual floppy AT&T PC running DOS before that). I
knew Logic/Mac guys, and that was the only option on that side too (Atari
and Amiga notwithstanding). Now however, I would find it hard to say the
Mac is on par with the PC in terms of options for audio apps. There are
some quite significant PC-only apps that really make the Mac look limited -
Sequoia/Samplitude, Sonar, Audition, Vegas/DVDA (better workflow and faster
than FCP and Premiere - I've used all three), Live, etc.
> Nuendo $2600.00 list??? That is a lot of money for just software!!!
Just software? And so is OSX. $2500 is a lot to pay just to run an OS that
has a dashboard, widgets and a Star Trek looking "undo"!! LOL ;-)
Nuendo seems expensive, but the capabilities are probably the most extensive
for one app in the market, including ProTools (limited midi, no score, addon
OMF, etc). At $3500 list, Sequoia is also in a different league/market -
editing and mastering options are in the top of it's class (thought it's
been a while since I used a Sadie or Sonic system). Like Lamont said,
Sam/Seq 9 will be pretty sweet - I'm curious to see what full dual core
support does for it, considering Sequoia runs at about 30-50% higher
efficiency at low latency than Nuendo, even without dual core support.
I have yet to meet a Mac user running Unix or Windows, so that's a bit like
saying PCs are a more open platform because we can open Mac files using
MacOpener - cool...and? I can also run Linux on my PC (Thad is the best
resource for options on each platform there). I've only needed Macopener
once - to work with a Mac user that didn't know how to, or couldn't burn an
ISO data disc, sigh.... ;-)
Hey, to turn the tables a bit, I always really liked Logic - made perfect
sense to me. Um...er...don't know what that says about me....be kind. ;-))
Regards,
Dedric
On 8/8/06 5:08 PM, in article 44d9195e$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
<excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey La Mont! I've always said, if your a PC guru there's not much sense in
> learning a Mac. I know that you like I, use both platforms. All I can say
> about the new Mac Pro is, damn that machine is COOL! I think it's hard to
> argue with that. Not that you need one; )
>
> As far as proprietary, I find it funny that you say that. In 1993-94, there
> was no audio or MIDI software for the PC! Cakewalk was just starting to
> show up around 94-95. Back in those days, it was Apple/Mac, Atari and Amega.
> Well it was the Mac that survived, and the majority of the audio software
> was on the Mac. Apple was in the Audio software game long before the PC.
> For years Apple has led the way and the PC followed. Now they are on par.
>
>
> You say proprietary, well isn't Sonar, and Samplitude 9 proprietary? They
> are only available on one platform, the PC, right? I think, you think, PCs
> are main stream and anything Mac only is Proprietary. Apple Machines can
> run Mac O/S, Windows O/S, and UNIX, so who and what is proprietary? You
> can run any thing you want on a Mac!
>
> Many software venders have stopped support and development for the Mac.
> As an example, Adobe stalled Premier development on the Mac side, to focus
> on the PC version, so Apple had to make their move. I think it sucks that
> Apple dropped Logic for the PC and jumped the price up, but so did everybody.
> Nuendo $2600.00 list??? That is a lot of money for just software!!!
>
> Now that Sony has Steinberg, we'll see if they continue Mac support. Apple
> buying Emagic was a strategic move. I'm just not sure Logic was the right
> move, Logic and ease of use don't go together vary well. Apple had to make
> a move, I'm sure your glad they didn't buy Steinberg.
>
> James
>
>
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>> Very Impressedd with OS-X Leopard. As with that new Pro Mac..
>> Question again, why do I need amac for Music?? Does this other Macs make
>> me want to go out and plop down 1k for Logic Audio??
>>
>> With Samplitude 9, Asio 3/4 right around the corner, Sonar is till doing
>> it's thing and and Digi doing Midi very cool these days, how does Logic
> &
>> Dp fair in the DAW wars these days, since both are Proprietary and Platform
>> specific??
>>
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> If you have the time and the patience, check out the WWDC KeyNote speech.
>>> I say patience because the servers are over loaded today, and the video
>>> breaks up at times. However, it will give you a good idea of what is going
>>> on, and you'll be more informed about Apple, what they have to offer, and
>>> where their going.
>>>
>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/aug_2006/event/index.h tml
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Leopard looks cool, check it out. Time Machine is like Rewind for Mac
>> O/S
>>>> 8. This is also like XP.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: OSX Leopard, and WWDC [message #70977 is a reply to message #70974] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 21:03 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
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You're right Dedric. Today there is much more music software for the PC than
the Mac, but . . . James is also right that back in the day, Apple (among
others) lead the way. I was running Passport's Master Tracks on an Apple IIe
in what, 1985(?). Motu / Performer were also very early with actual computer
audio and Pro Tools was Mac only for a very long time. Again,I'm not trying
to defend or put words in James' mouth, but I think he meant now that Apple
is using Intel chips, Mac's are now back on par with the speed of PC's. I
could be wrong though. I mean I am a Mac user after all! ;>)
Tony
On 8/8/06 10:27 PM, in article C0FEB229.226B%dterry@keyofd.net, "Dedric
Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> Hey James:
>
> 1 - Yamaha owns Steinberg - pretty cool things happening there - it appears
> to be the only company poised to go head to head with Digidesign, but that's
> my view, not industry rumor. Sony owns Sonic Foundry (Sound Forge, Vegas,
> etc). Pretty cool there too - Vegas is becoming a serious contender in the
> NLE market.
>
> 2 - Proprietary in a basically two platform market (with all due respect to
> the Linux, Unix, etc users) can only truly apply to the variations and
> options available in each of the two: There are a lot of options for a PC
> in terms of supplier/manufacturer, price, capabilities, level of
> performance, upgrades, config, etc (Dell, Sony, HP, Toshiba, Newegg/build
> your own, etc); only one for a Mac - Apple. Only one upgrade path - buy a
> new one. Have you guys seen the new Dell XPC "laptop".
>
> 3 - There is without a doubt more music software for the PC than Mac now. I
> started my PC sequencing days with Cakewalk on Win 3.1 years ago (actually I
> had a DOS notation app on a dual floppy AT&T PC running DOS before that). I
> knew Logic/Mac guys, and that was the only option on that side too (Atari
> and Amiga notwithstanding). Now however, I would find it hard to say the
> Mac is on par with the PC in terms of options for audio apps. There are
> some quite significant PC-only apps that really make the Mac look limited -
> Sequoia/Samplitude, Sonar, Audition, Vegas/DVDA (better workflow and faster
> than FCP and Premiere - I've used all three), Live, etc.
>
>> Nuendo $2600.00 list??? That is a lot of money for just software!!!
>
> Just software? And so is OSX. $2500 is a lot to pay just to run an OS that
> has a dashboard, widgets and a Star Trek looking "undo"!! LOL ;-)
>
> Nuendo seems expensive, but the capabilities are probably the most extensive
> for one app in the market, including ProTools (limited midi, no score, addon
> OMF, etc). At $3500 list, Sequoia is also in a different league/market -
> editing and mastering options are in the top of it's class (thought it's
> been a while since I used a Sadie or Sonic system). Like Lamont said,
> Sam/Seq 9 will be pretty sweet - I'm curious to see what full dual core
> support does for it, considering Sequoia runs at about 30-50% higher
> efficiency at low latency than Nuendo, even without dual core support.
>
> I have yet to meet a Mac user running Unix or Windows, so that's a bit like
> saying PCs are a more open platform because we can open Mac files using
> MacOpener - cool...and? I can also run Linux on my PC (Thad is the best
> resource for options on each platform there). I've only needed Macopener
> once - to work with a Mac user that didn't know how to, or couldn't burn an
> ISO data disc, sigh.... ;-)
>
> Hey, to turn the tables a bit, I always really liked Logic - made perfect
> sense to me. Um...er...don't know what that says about me....be kind. ;-))
>
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
> On 8/8/06 5:08 PM, in article 44d9195e$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey La Mont! I've always said, if your a PC guru there's not much sense in
>> learning a Mac. I know that you like I, use both platforms. All I can say
>> about the new Mac Pro is, damn that machine is COOL! I think it's hard to
>> argue with that. Not that you need one; )
>>
>> As far as proprietary, I find it funny that you say that. In 1993-94, there
>> was no audio or MIDI software for the PC! Cakewalk was just starting to
>> show up around 94-95. Back in those days, it was Apple/Mac, Atari and Amega.
>> Well it was the Mac that survived, and the majority of the audio software
>> was on the Mac. Apple was in the Audio software game long before the PC.
>> For years Apple has led the way and the PC followed. Now they are on par.
>>
>>
>> You say proprietary, well isn't Sonar, and Samplitude 9 proprietary? They
>> are only available on one platform, the PC, right? I think, you think, PCs
>> are main stream and anything Mac only is Proprietary. Apple Machines can
>> run Mac O/S, Windows O/S, and UNIX, so who and what is proprietary? You
>> can run any thing you want on a Mac!
>>
>> Many software venders have stopped support and development for the Mac.
>> As an example, Adobe stalled Premier development on the Mac side, to focus
>> on the PC version, so Apple had to make their move. I think it sucks that
>> Apple dropped Logic for the PC and jumped the price up, but so did everybody.
>> Nuendo $2600.00 list??? That is a lot of money for just software!!!
>>
>> Now that Sony has Steinberg, we'll see if they continue Mac support. Apple
>> buying Emagic was a strategic move. I'm just not sure Logic was the right
>> move, Logic and ease of use don't go together vary well. Apple had to make
>> a move, I'm sure your glad they didn't buy Steinberg.
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Very Impressedd with OS-X Leopard. As with that new Pro Mac..
>>> Question again, why do I need amac for Music?? Does this other Macs make
>>> me want to go out and plop down 1k for Logic Audio??
>>>
>>> With Samplitude 9, Asio 3/4 right around the corner, Sonar is till doing
>>> it's thing and and Digi doing Midi very cool these days, how does Logic
>> &
>>> Dp fair in the DAW wars these days, since both are Proprietary and Platform
>>> specific??
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If you have the time and the patience, check out the WWDC KeyNote speech.
>>>> I say patience because the servers are over loaded today, and the video
>>>> breaks up at times. However, it will give you a good idea of what is going
>>>> on, and you'll be more informed about Apple, what they have to offer, and
>>>> where their going.
>>>>
>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/aug_2006/event/index.h tml
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Leopard looks cool, check it out. Time Machine is like Rewind for Mac
>>> O/S
>>>>> 8. This is also like XP.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: OSX Leopard, and WWDC [message #70993 is a reply to message #70974] |
Wed, 09 August 2006 07:09 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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No real audio apps for GNU/linux, though there is a perl module for manipulating
MIDI. No, really, there is. EVERYTHING else software wise is better over
here, though, from text editors to open office to mysql to IDEs and so on.
Now if there were just a version of Live I'd be all set.
And with Debian now moving a blistering one major release per four years
you can even feel like you're updating often ;-)
TCB
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Hey James:
>
>1 - Yamaha owns Steinberg - pretty cool things happening there - it appears
>to be the only company poised to go head to head with Digidesign, but that's
>my view, not industry rumor. Sony owns Sonic Foundry (Sound Forge, Vegas,
>etc). Pretty cool there too - Vegas is becoming a serious contender in the
>NLE market.
>
>2 - Proprietary in a basically two platform market (with all due respect
to
>the Linux, Unix, etc users) can only truly apply to the variations and
>options available in each of the two: There are a lot of options for a
PC
>in terms of supplier/manufacturer, price, capabilities, level of
>performance, upgrades, config, etc (Dell, Sony, HP, Toshiba, Newegg/build
>your own, etc); only one for a Mac - Apple. Only one upgrade path - buy
a
>new one. Have you guys seen the new Dell XPC "laptop".
>
>3 - There is without a doubt more music software for the PC than Mac now.
I
>started my PC sequencing days with Cakewalk on Win 3.1 years ago (actually
I
>had a DOS notation app on a dual floppy AT&T PC running DOS before that).
I
>knew Logic/Mac guys, and that was the only option on that side too (Atari
>and Amiga notwithstanding). Now however, I would find it hard to say the
>Mac is on par with the PC in terms of options for audio apps. There are
>some quite significant PC-only apps that really make the Mac look limited
-
>Sequoia/Samplitude, Sonar, Audition, Vegas/DVDA (better workflow and faster
>than FCP and Premiere - I've used all three), Live, etc.
>
>> Nuendo $2600.00 list??? That is a lot of money for just software!!!
>
>Just software? And so is OSX. $2500 is a lot to pay just to run an OS
that
>has a dashboard, widgets and a Star Trek looking "undo"!! LOL ;-)
>
>Nuendo seems expensive, but the capabilities are probably the most extensive
>for one app in the market, including ProTools (limited midi, no score, addon
>OMF, etc). At $3500 list, Sequoia is also in a different league/market
-
>editing and mastering options are in the top of it's class (thought it's
>been a while since I used a Sadie or Sonic system). Like Lamont said,
>Sam/Seq 9 will be pretty sweet - I'm curious to see what full dual core
>support does for it, considering Sequoia runs at about 30-50% higher
>efficiency at low latency than Nuendo, even without dual core support.
>
>I have yet to meet a Mac user running Unix or Windows, so that's a bit like
>saying PCs are a more open platform because we can open Mac files using
>MacOpener - cool...and? I can also run Linux on my PC (Thad is the best
>resource for options on each platform there). I've only needed Macopener
>once - to work with a Mac user that didn't know how to, or couldn't burn
an
>ISO data disc, sigh.... ;-)
>
>Hey, to turn the tables a bit, I always really liked Logic - made perfect
>sense to me. Um...er...don't know what that says about me....be kind. ;-))
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>On 8/8/06 5:08 PM, in article 44d9195e$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey La Mont! I've always said, if your a PC guru there's not much sense
in
>> learning a Mac. I know that you like I, use both platforms. All I can
say
>> about the new Mac Pro is, damn that machine is COOL! I think it's hard
to
>> argue with that. Not that you need one; )
>>
>> As far as proprietary, I find it funny that you say that. In 1993-94,
there
>> was no audio or MIDI software for the PC! Cakewalk was just starting
to
>> show up around 94-95. Back in those days, it was Apple/Mac, Atari and
Amega.
>> Well it was the Mac that survived, and the majority of the audio software
>> was on the Mac. Apple was in the Audio software game long before the
PC.
>> For years Apple has led the way and the PC followed. Now they are on
par.
>>
>>
>> You say proprietary, well isn't Sonar, and Samplitude 9 proprietary?
They
>> are only available on one platform, the PC, right? I think, you think,
PCs
>> are main stream and anything Mac only is Proprietary. Apple Machines
can
>> run Mac O/S, Windows O/S, and UNIX, so who and what is proprietary? You
>> can run any thing you want on a Mac!
>>
>> Many software venders have stopped support and development for the Mac.
>> As an example, Adobe stalled Premier development on the Mac side, to focus
>> on the PC version, so Apple had to make their move. I think it sucks
that
>> Apple dropped Logic for the PC and jumped the price up, but so did everybody.
>> Nuendo $2600.00 list??? That is a lot of money for just software!!!
>>
>> Now that Sony has Steinberg, we'll see if they continue Mac support.
Apple
>> buying Emagic was a strategic move. I'm just not sure Logic was the right
>> move, Logic and ease of use don't go together vary well. Apple had to
make
>> a move, I'm sure your glad they didn't buy Steinberg.
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Very Impressedd with OS-X Leopard. As with that new Pro Mac..
>>> Question again, why do I need amac for Music?? Does this other Macs
make
>>> me want to go out and plop down 1k for Logic Audio??
>>>
>>> With Samplitude 9, Asio 3/4 right around the corner, Sonar is till doing
>>> it's thing and and Digi doing Midi very cool these days, how does Logic
>> &
>>> Dp fair in the DAW wars these days, since both are Proprietary and Platform
>>> specific??
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If you have the time and the patience, check out the WWDC KeyNote speech.
>>>> I say patience because the servers are over loaded today, and the video
>>>> breaks up at times. However, it will give you a good idea of what is
going
>>>> on, and you'll be more informed about Apple, what they have to offer,
and
>>>> where their going.
>>>>
>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/aug_2006/event/index.h tml
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Leopard looks cool, check it out. Time Machine is like Rewind for
Mac
>>> O/S
>>>>> 8. This is also like XP.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: OSX Leopard, and WWDC [message #70995 is a reply to message #70993] |
Wed, 09 August 2006 07:42 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>No real audio apps for GNU/linux, though there is a perl module for manipulating
>MIDI. No, really, there is. EVERYTHING else software wise is better over
>here, though, from text editors to open office to mysql to IDEs and so on.
>Now if there were just a version of Live I'd be all set.
>
>And with Debian now moving a blistering one major release per four years
>you can even feel like you're updating often ;-)
>
>TCB
So why don't you write an audio app. for UNIX? Or get them to port Live,
if it will run on OSX/UNIX???
Just a thought
James
>
>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>Hey James:
>>
>>1 - Yamaha owns Steinberg - pretty cool things happening there - it appears
>>to be the only company poised to go head to head with Digidesign, but that's
>>my view, not industry rumor. Sony owns Sonic Foundry (Sound Forge, Vegas,
>>etc). Pretty cool there too - Vegas is becoming a serious contender in
the
>>NLE market.
>>
>>2 - Proprietary in a basically two platform market (with all due respect
>to
>>the Linux, Unix, etc users) can only truly apply to the variations and
>>options available in each of the two: There are a lot of options for a
>PC
>>in terms of supplier/manufacturer, price, capabilities, level of
>>performance, upgrades, config, etc (Dell, Sony, HP, Toshiba, Newegg/build
>>your own, etc); only one for a Mac - Apple. Only one upgrade path - buy
>a
>>new one. Have you guys seen the new Dell XPC "laptop".
>>
>>3 - There is without a doubt more music software for the PC than Mac now.
> I
>>started my PC sequencing days with Cakewalk on Win 3.1 years ago (actually
>I
>>had a DOS notation app on a dual floppy AT&T PC running DOS before that).
> I
>>knew Logic/Mac guys, and that was the only option on that side too (Atari
>>and Amiga notwithstanding). Now however, I would find it hard to say the
>>Mac is on par with the PC in terms of options for audio apps. There are
>>some quite significant PC-only apps that really make the Mac look limited
>-
>>Sequoia/Samplitude, Sonar, Audition, Vegas/DVDA (better workflow and faster
>>than FCP and Premiere - I've used all three), Live, etc.
>>
>>> Nuendo $2600.00 list??? That is a lot of money for just software!!!
>>
>>Just software? And so is OSX. $2500 is a lot to pay just to run an OS
>that
>>has a dashboard, widgets and a Star Trek looking "undo"!! LOL ;-)
>>
>>Nuendo seems expensive, but the capabilities are probably the most extensive
>>for one app in the market, including ProTools (limited midi, no score,
addon
>>OMF, etc). At $3500 list, Sequoia is also in a different league/market
>-
>>editing and mastering options are in the top of it's class (thought it's
>>been a while since I used a Sadie or Sonic system). Like Lamont said,
>>Sam/Seq 9 will be pretty sweet - I'm curious to see what full dual core
>>support does for it, considering Sequoia runs at about 30-50% higher
>>efficiency at low latency than Nuendo, even without dual core support.
>>
>>I have yet to meet a Mac user running Unix or Windows, so that's a bit
like
>>saying PCs are a more open platform because we can open Mac files using
>>MacOpener - cool...and? I can also run Linux on my PC (Thad is the best
>>resource for options on each platform there). I've only needed Macopener
>>once - to work with a Mac user that didn't know how to, or couldn't burn
>an
>>ISO data disc, sigh.... ;-)
>>
>>Hey, to turn the tables a bit, I always really liked Logic - made perfect
>>sense to me. Um...er...don't know what that says about me....be kind.
;-))
>>
>>Regards,
>>Dedric
>>
>>On 8/8/06 5:08 PM, in article 44d9195e$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hey La Mont! I've always said, if your a PC guru there's not much sense
>in
>>> learning a Mac. I know that you like I, use both platforms. All I can
>say
>>> about the new Mac Pro is, damn that machine is COOL! I think it's hard
>to
>>> argue with that. Not that you need one; )
>>>
>>> As far as proprietary, I find it funny that you say that. In 1993-94,
>there
>>> was no audio or MIDI software for the PC! Cakewalk was just starting
>to
>>> show up around 94-95. Back in those days, it was Apple/Mac, Atari and
>Amega.
>>> Well it was the Mac that survived, and the majority of the audio software
>>> was on the Mac. Apple was in the Audio software game long before the
>PC.
>>> For years Apple has led the way and the PC followed. Now they are on
>par.
>>>
>>>
>>> You say proprietary, well isn't Sonar, and Samplitude 9 proprietary?
>They
>>> are only available on one platform, the PC, right? I think, you think,
>PCs
>>> are main stream and anything Mac only is Proprietary. Apple Machines
>can
>>> run Mac O/S, Windows O/S, and UNIX, so who and what is proprietary?
You
>>> can run any thing you want on a Mac!
>>>
>>> Many software venders have stopped support and development for the Mac.
>>> As an example, Adobe stalled Premier development on the Mac side, to
focus
>>> on the PC version, so Apple had to make their move. I think it sucks
>that
>>> Apple dropped Logic for the PC and jumped the price up, but so did everybody.
>>> Nuendo $2600.00 list??? That is a lot of money for just software!!!
>>>
>>> Now that Sony has Steinberg, we'll see if they continue Mac support.
>Apple
>>> buying Emagic was a strategic move. I'm just not sure Logic was the
right
>>> move, Logic and ease of use don't go together vary well. Apple had
to
>make
>>> a move, I'm sure your glad they didn't buy Steinberg.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Very Impressedd with OS-X Leopard. As with that new Pro Mac..
>>>> Question again, why do I need amac for Music?? Does this other Macs
>make
>>>> me want to go out and plop down 1k for Logic Audio??
>>>>
>>>> With Samplitude 9, Asio 3/4 right around the corner, Sonar is till doing
>>>> it's thing and and Digi doing Midi very cool these days, how does Logic
>>> &
>>>> Dp fair in the DAW wars these days, since both are Proprietary and Platform
>>>> specific??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have the time and the patience, check out the WWDC KeyNote speech.
>>>>> I say patience because the servers are over loaded today, and the video
>>>>> breaks up at times. However, it will give you a good idea of what
is
>going
>>>>> on, and you'll be more informed about Apple, what they have to offer,
>and
>>>>> where their going.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/aug_2006/event/index.h tml
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leopard looks cool, check it out. Time Machine is like Rewind for
>Mac
>>>> O/S
>>>>>> 8. This is also like XP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: OSX Leopard, and WWDC [message #70996 is a reply to message #70972] |
Wed, 09 August 2006 08:42 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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Great Points James!! You are right, I like others have branded the PC as "Main-Stream"
:) My bad..
Take care,
LaMont
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hey La Mont! I've always said, if your a PC guru there's not much sense
in
>learning a Mac. I know that you like I, use both platforms. All I can
say
>about the new Mac Pro is, damn that machine is COOL! I think it's hard
to
>argue with that. Not that you need one; )
>
>As far as proprietary, I find it funny that you say that. In 1993-94, there
>was no audio or MIDI software for the PC! Cakewalk was just starting to
>show up around 94-95. Back in those days, it was Apple/Mac, Atari and Amega.
> Well it was the Mac that survived, and the majority of the audio software
>was on the Mac. Apple was in the Audio software game long before the PC.
> For years Apple has led the way and the PC followed. Now they are on
par.
>
>
>You say proprietary, well isn't Sonar, and Samplitude 9 proprietary? They
>are only available on one platform, the PC, right? I think, you think,
PCs
>are main stream and anything Mac only is Proprietary. Apple Machines can
>run Mac O/S, Windows O/S, and UNIX, so who and what is proprietary? You
>can run any thing you want on a Mac!
>
>Many software venders have stopped support and development for the Mac.
>As an example, Adobe stalled Premier development on the Mac side, to focus
>on the PC version, so Apple had to make their move. I think it sucks that
>Apple dropped Logic for the PC and jumped the price up, but so did everybody.
> Nuendo $2600.00 list??? That is a lot of money for just software!!!
>
>Now that Sony has Steinberg, we'll see if they continue Mac support. Apple
>buying Emagic was a strategic move. I'm just not sure Logic was the right
>move, Logic and ease of use don't go together vary well. Apple had to
make
>a move, I'm sure your glad they didn't buy Steinberg.
>
>James
>
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Very Impressedd with OS-X Leopard. As with that new Pro Mac..
>>Question again, why do I need amac for Music?? Does this other Macs make
>>me want to go out and plop down 1k for Logic Audio??
>>
>>With Samplitude 9, Asio 3/4 right around the corner, Sonar is till doing
>>it's thing and and Digi doing Midi very cool these days, how does Logic
>&
>>Dp fair in the DAW wars these days, since both are Proprietary and Platform
>>specific??
>>
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>If you have the time and the patience, check out the WWDC KeyNote speech.
>>> I say patience because the servers are over loaded today, and the video
>>>breaks up at times. However, it will give you a good idea of what is
going
>>>on, and you'll be more informed about Apple, what they have to offer,
and
>>>where their going.
>>>
>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/aug_2006/event/index.h tml
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Leopard looks cool, check it out. Time Machine is like Rewind for Mac
>>O/S
>>>>8. This is also like XP.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>
>>
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| Re: OSX Leopard, and WWDC [message #71004 is a reply to message #70995] |
Wed, 09 August 2006 11:20 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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I can write code, but not THAT kind of code. Believe me I wish I could. There
_are_ some audio apps for GNU/linux, even some very good ones. Probably the
flagship is called Ardour
http://ardour.org/
and it's capabilities for a free software tool are quite good. I'm mostly
a systems/network programmer so my main 'contribution' to my favorite free
software projects is documentation because I've written so much.
Someday I expect we'll see great free software audio apps, but it can't get
done what I need to get done quite yet. Still, before v2 of OpenOffice came
out the same thing could be said about spreadsheet applications.
TCB
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>No real audio apps for GNU/linux, though there is a perl module for manipulating
>>MIDI. No, really, there is. EVERYTHING else software wise is better over
>>here, though, from text editors to open office to mysql to IDEs and so
on.
>>Now if there were just a version of Live I'd be all set.
>>
>>And with Debian now moving a blistering one major release per four years
>>you can even feel like you're updating often ;-)
>>
>>TCB
>
>So why don't you write an audio app. for UNIX? Or get them to port Live,
>if it will run on OSX/UNIX???
>
>Just a thought
>
>James
>>
>>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>Hey James:
>>>
>>>1 - Yamaha owns Steinberg - pretty cool things happening there - it appears
>>>to be the only company poised to go head to head with Digidesign, but
that's
>>>my view, not industry rumor. Sony owns Sonic Foundry (Sound Forge, Vegas,
>>>etc). Pretty cool there too - Vegas is becoming a serious contender in
>the
>>>NLE market.
>>>
>>>2 - Proprietary in a basically two platform market (with all due respect
>>to
>>>the Linux, Unix, etc users) can only truly apply to the variations and
>>>options available in each of the two: There are a lot of options for
a
>>PC
>>>in terms of supplier/manufacturer, price, capabilities, level of
>>>performance, upgrades, config, etc (Dell, Sony, HP, Toshiba, Newegg/build
>>>your own, etc); only one for a Mac - Apple. Only one upgrade path - buy
>>a
>>>new one. Have you guys seen the new Dell XPC "laptop".
>>>
>>>3 - There is without a doubt more music software for the PC than Mac now.
>> I
>>>started my PC sequencing days with Cakewalk on Win 3.1 years ago (actually
>>I
>>>had a DOS notation app on a dual floppy AT&T PC running DOS before that).
>> I
>>>knew Logic/Mac guys, and that was the only option on that side too (Atari
>>>and Amiga notwithstanding). Now however, I would find it hard to say
the
>>>Mac is on par with the PC in terms of options for audio apps. There are
>>>some quite significant PC-only apps that really make the Mac look limited
>>-
>>>Sequoia/Samplitude, Sonar, Audition, Vegas/DVDA (better workflow and faster
>>>than FCP and Premiere - I've used all three), Live, etc.
>>>
>>>> Nuendo $2600.00 list??? That is a lot of money for just software!!!
>>>
>>>Just software? And so is OSX. $2500 is a lot to pay just to run an OS
>>that
>>>has a dashboard, widgets and a Star Trek looking "undo"!! LOL ;-)
>>>
>>>Nuendo seems expensive, but the capabilities are probably the most extensive
>>>for one app in the market, including ProTools (limited midi, no score,
>addon
>>>OMF, etc). At $3500 list, Sequoia is also in a different league/market
>>-
>>>editing and mastering options are in the top of it's class (thought it's
>>>been a while since I used a Sadie or Sonic system). Like Lamont said,
>>>Sam/Seq 9 will be pretty sweet - I'm curious to see what full dual core
>>>support does for it, considering Sequoia runs at about 30-50% higher
>>>efficiency at low latency than Nuendo, even without dual core support.
>>>
>>>I have yet to meet a Mac user running Unix or Windows, so that's a bit
>like
>>>saying PCs are a more open platform because we can open Mac files using
>>>MacOpener - cool...and? I can also run Linux on my PC (Thad is the best
>>>resource for options on each platform there). I've only needed Macopener
>>>once - to work with a Mac user that didn't know how to, or couldn't burn
>>an
>>>ISO data disc, sigh.... ;-)
>>>
>>>Hey, to turn the tables a bit, I always really liked Logic - made perfect
>>>sense to me. Um...er...don't know what that says about me....be kind.
>;-))
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Dedric
>>>
>>>On 8/8/06 5:08 PM, in article 44d9195e$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey La Mont! I've always said, if your a PC guru there's not much sense
>>in
>>>> learning a Mac. I know that you like I, use both platforms. All I
can
>>say
>>>> about the new Mac Pro is, damn that machine is COOL! I think it's hard
>>to
>>>> argue with that. Not that you need one; )
>>>>
>>>> As far as proprietary, I find it funny that you say that. In 1993-94,
>>there
>>>> was no audio or MIDI software for the PC! Cakewalk was just starting
>>to
>>>> show up around 94-95. Back in those days, it was Apple/Mac, Atari and
>>Amega.
>>>> Well it was the Mac that survived, and the majority of the audio software
>>>> was on the Mac. Apple was in the Audio software game long before the
>>PC.
>>>> For years Apple has led the way and the PC followed. Now they are
on
>>par.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You say proprietary, well isn't Sonar, and Samplitude 9 proprietary?
>
>>They
>>>> are only available on one platform, the PC, right? I think, you think,
>>PCs
>>>> are main stream and anything Mac only is Proprietary. Apple Machines
>>can
>>>> run Mac O/S, Windows O/S, and UNIX, so who and what is proprietary?
>You
>>>> can run any thing you want on a Mac!
>>>>
>>>> Many software venders have stopped support and development for the Mac.
>>>> As an example, Adobe stalled Premier development on the Mac side, to
>focus
>>>> on the PC version, so Apple had to make their move. I think it sucks
>>that
>>>> Apple dropped Logic for the PC and jumped the price up, but so did everybody.
>>>> Nuendo $2600.00 list??? That is a lot of money for just software!!!
>>>>
>>>> Now that Sony has Steinberg, we'll see if they continue Mac support.
>
>>Apple
>>>> buying Emagic was a strategic move. I'm just not sure Logic was the
>right
>>>> move, Logic and ease of use don't go together vary well. Apple had
>to
>>make
>>>> a move, I'm sure your glad they didn't buy Steinberg.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Very Impressedd with OS-X Leopard. As with that new Pro Mac..
>>>>> Question again, why do I need amac for Music?? Does this other Macs
>>make
>>>>> me want to go out and plop down 1k for Logic Audio??
>>>>>
>>>>> With Samplitude 9, Asio 3/4 right around the corner, Sonar is till
doing
>>>>> it's thing and and Digi doing Midi very cool these days, how does Logic
>>>> &
>>>>> Dp fair in the DAW wars these days, since both are Proprietary and
Platform
>>>>> specific??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have the time and the patience, check out the WWDC KeyNote
speech.
>>>>>> I say patience because the servers are over loaded today, and the
video
>>>>>> breaks up at times. However, it will give you a good idea of what
>is
>>going
>>>>>> on, and you'll be more informed about Apple, what they have to offer,
>>and
>>>>>> where their going.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/aug_2006/event/index.h tml
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leopard looks cool, check it out. Time Machine is like Rewind for
>>Mac
>>>>> O/S
>>>>>>> 8. This is also like XP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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