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Cubasers... I got a problem PLEASE HELP!! [message #85326] Sat, 26 May 2007 05:01 Go to next message
brandon[2] is currently offline  brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
Senior Member
I don't know if this just started or if it has always been there...I have
been more focused or learning Cubase than listening to Cubase.
We are recording the Vox over those Nylon guitars this morning and I noticed
something last night while settings up and doing an equipment check....There
is very noticable phasing on the mic
thru the monitoring headphones.
I got a 3ms latency.
I thought man...am I hearing that? So I bumped the buffers down as far as
they can go..to 1ms..I could still hear it just the same. So that cant be
it.
I set my buffers back to 3ms.
I noticed some popping too which turned out to be my presonus wasnt clock
locked to my motu. After I clock locked it no more pops. Which brings me
to another part of the quest...
Initially I was running the mic thru the Presonus--ADAT out---Motu I thought
maybe the Presonus is doing this....so I plugged directly to the Motu and
same thing.
I tried using the Motu as the master clock and the presonus as the master
clock.
No change.
I twiddled with every setting I could find in Cubase that looked related
and no change.
I tried different microphones.
No change.
It sounds like there are two identical signals being sent to the main outs/headphones.
I thought hmmm maybe the Direct monitoring was some how enabled... But it
was disabled and I opened Cue Mix and disabled the main outs just in case
and closed it again.
No change.
I am sarting to think the Motu is defective.
I tried opening a new project and adding an audio track so I was sure there
was no processing...No Change.
It is very noticable on the headphones.
Not as noticable during playback, but I swear I can hear artifacts of it
on recorded vocal material.

Does anyone have a clue what this might be?

B
Re: Cubasers... I got a problem PLEASE HELP!! [message #85346 is a reply to message #85326] Sat, 26 May 2007 08:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
neil[1] is currently offline  neil[1]
Messages: 164
Registered: October 2006
Senior Member
"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:

>Does anyone have a clue what this might be?

Check under your "device setup" menu in Cubase, is it possible
you've got the wrong driver selected? IOW you're using the MOTU
as your main niterface, but you've got a generic Windows ASIO
driver picked as the master (so it's passing sound, but not in
sync).

I would start there, then check all the other settings
under "devices" & related stuff.

Neil
Re: Cubasers... I got a problem PLEASE HELP!! [message #85367 is a reply to message #85326] Sat, 26 May 2007 11:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [4] is currently offline  Deej [4]   UNITED STATES
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
Senior Member
You need to be using ASIO direct monitoring. Even at 1.5ms latency you will
hear some phasing because you are not only getting 1.5ms latency due to the
uffers, you are also getting around 1.5ms with your AD/DA conversion. As to
hearing this on previously recorded material, I don't know,but it sounds
like you've got some kind of loop with the recorded tracks being monitored
in the record enabled track. Ain't native fun?

Go to your control panel for you audio hardware and make sure ASIO direct
monitoring is enabled. then, in cubase, go to Device Setup and .set your
system for ASIO direct monitoring.

Deej

"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:465821a2$1@linux...
>
> I don't know if this just started or if it has always been there...I have
> been more focused or learning Cubase than listening to Cubase.
> We are recording the Vox over those Nylon guitars this morning and I
> noticed
> something last night while settings up and doing an equipment
> check....There
> is very noticable phasing on the mic
> thru the monitoring headphones.
> I got a 3ms latency.
> I thought man...am I hearing that? So I bumped the buffers down as far as
> they can go..to 1ms..I could still hear it just the same. So that cant be
> it.
> I set my buffers back to 3ms.
> I noticed some popping too which turned out to be my presonus wasnt clock
> locked to my motu. After I clock locked it no more pops. Which brings me
> to another part of the quest...
> Initially I was running the mic thru the Presonus--ADAT out---Motu I
> thought
> maybe the Presonus is doing this....so I plugged directly to the Motu and
> same thing.
> I tried using the Motu as the master clock and the presonus as the master
> clock.
> No change.
> I twiddled with every setting I could find in Cubase that looked related
> and no change.
> I tried different microphones.
> No change.
> It sounds like there are two identical signals being sent to the main
> outs/headphones.
> I thought hmmm maybe the Direct monitoring was some how enabled... But it
> was disabled and I opened Cue Mix and disabled the main outs just in case
> and closed it again.
> No change.
> I am sarting to think the Motu is defective.
> I tried opening a new project and adding an audio track so I was sure
> there
> was no processing...No Change.
> It is very noticable on the headphones.
> Not as noticable during playback, but I swear I can hear artifacts of it
> on recorded vocal material.
>
> Does anyone have a clue what this might be?
>
> B
>
Re: Cubasers... I got a problem PLEASE HELP!! [message #85374 is a reply to message #85367] Sat, 26 May 2007 13:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
brandon[2] is currently offline  brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
Senior Member
guys,
I forgot to mention that I had checked the ASIO driver.
I am using the Motu ASIO driver.

I swear that I can hear the phasing on recorded materials that I heard phasing
on in the headphones while monitoring. Not just any old recorded track. It
might be my mind thinking it hears it because I am afraid that I am gonna
hear it...know what I mean...Hmmm... If that is the case I am gonna try thinking
I hear an 1176..matby one will appear in my studio..(((making my Hiro Nokamora
face >~( )))


I used to have Direct Monitoring enabled...but if you recall one
of my last problems was.... not being able to use VST plugs on live material
or hear them in realtime on a track I was recording.
The problem was Direct Monitoring. So that is why I disabled it.
Which brings us to another problem...

I tried enabling Direct Monioting just to test if that was the issue. Every
time I would delect Direct Monitoring in the Decvice Setup Cubase would crash.
Why?
It used to function fine.

???
thx
b






"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>You need to be using ASIO direct monitoring. Even at 1.5ms latency you will
>hear some phasing because you are not only getting 1.5ms latency due to
the
>uffers, you are also getting around 1.5ms with your AD/DA conversion. As
to
>hearing this on previously recorded material, I don't know,but it sounds
>like you've got some kind of loop with the recorded tracks being monitored
>in the record enabled track. Ain't native fun?
>
>Go to your control panel for you audio hardware and make sure ASIO direct
>monitoring is enabled. then, in cubase, go to Device Setup and .set your
>system for ASIO direct monitoring.
>
>Deej
>
>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:465821a2$1@linux...
>>
>> I don't know if this just started or if it has always been there...I have
>> been more focused or learning Cubase than listening to Cubase.
>> We are recording the Vox over those Nylon guitars this morning and I
>> noticed
>> something last night while settings up and doing an equipment
>> check....There
>> is very noticable phasing on the mic
>> thru the monitoring headphones.
>> I got a 3ms latency.
>> I thought man...am I hearing that? So I bumped the buffers down as far
as
>> they can go..to 1ms..I could still hear it just the same. So that cant
be
>> it.
>> I set my buffers back to 3ms.
>> I noticed some popping too which turned out to be my presonus wasnt clock
>> locked to my motu. After I clock locked it no more pops. Which brings
me
>> to another part of the quest...
>> Initially I was running the mic thru the Presonus--ADAT out---Motu I

>> thought
>> maybe the Presonus is doing this....so I plugged directly to the Motu
and
>> same thing.
>> I tried using the Motu as the master clock and the presonus as the master
>> clock.
>> No change.
>> I twiddled with every setting I could find in Cubase that looked related
>> and no change.
>> I tried different microphones.
>> No change.
>> It sounds like there are two identical signals being sent to the main

>> outs/headphones.
>> I thought hmmm maybe the Direct monitoring was some how enabled... But
it
>> was disabled and I opened Cue Mix and disabled the main outs just in case
>> and closed it again.
>> No change.
>> I am sarting to think the Motu is defective.
>> I tried opening a new project and adding an audio track so I was sure

>> there
>> was no processing...No Change.
>> It is very noticable on the headphones.
>> Not as noticable during playback, but I swear I can hear artifacts of
it
>> on recorded vocal material.
>>
>> Does anyone have a clue what this might be?
>>
>> B
>>
>
>
Re: Cubasers... I got a problem PLEASE HELP!! [message #85375 is a reply to message #85374] Sat, 26 May 2007 13:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
brandon[2] is currently offline  brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
Senior Member
DJ,
When I go to my MOTU device setup... I dont recall seeing anything about
direct monitoring, but there must be....
hmm...I will have to look around.. I might even have to get on the manual.

b




"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>guys,
>I forgot to mention that I had checked the ASIO driver.
>I am using the Motu ASIO driver.
>
>I swear that I can hear the phasing on recorded materials that I heard phasing
>on in the headphones while monitoring. Not just any old recorded track.
It
>might be my mind thinking it hears it because I am afraid that I am gonna
>hear it...know what I mean...Hmmm... If that is the case I am gonna try
thinking
>I hear an 1176..matby one will appear in my studio..(((making my Hiro Nokamora
>face >~( )))
>
>
>I used to have Direct Monitoring enabled...but if you recall one
>of my last problems was.... not being able to use VST plugs on live material
>or hear them in realtime on a track I was recording.
>The problem was Direct Monitoring. So that is why I disabled it.
>Which brings us to another problem...
>
>I tried enabling Direct Monioting just to test if that was the issue. Every
>time I would delect Direct Monitoring in the Decvice Setup Cubase would
crash.
>Why?
>It used to function fine.
>
>???
>thx
>b
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>You need to be using ASIO direct monitoring. Even at 1.5ms latency you
will
>>hear some phasing because you are not only getting 1.5ms latency due to
>the
>>uffers, you are also getting around 1.5ms with your AD/DA conversion. As
>to
>>hearing this on previously recorded material, I don't know,but it sounds
>>like you've got some kind of loop with the recorded tracks being monitored
>>in the record enabled track. Ain't native fun?
>>
>>Go to your control panel for you audio hardware and make sure ASIO direct
>>monitoring is enabled. then, in cubase, go to Device Setup and .set your
>>system for ASIO direct monitoring.
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:465821a2$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I don't know if this just started or if it has always been there...I
have
>>> been more focused or learning Cubase than listening to Cubase.
>>> We are recording the Vox over those Nylon guitars this morning and I

>>> noticed
>>> something last night while settings up and doing an equipment
>>> check....There
>>> is very noticable phasing on the mic
>>> thru the monitoring headphones.
>>> I got a 3ms latency.
>>> I thought man...am I hearing that? So I bumped the buffers down as far
>as
>>> they can go..to 1ms..I could still hear it just the same. So that cant
>be
>>> it.
>>> I set my buffers back to 3ms.
>>> I noticed some popping too which turned out to be my presonus wasnt clock
>>> locked to my motu. After I clock locked it no more pops. Which brings
>me
>>> to another part of the quest...
>>> Initially I was running the mic thru the Presonus--ADAT out---Motu I
>
>>> thought
>>> maybe the Presonus is doing this....so I plugged directly to the Motu
>and
>>> same thing.
>>> I tried using the Motu as the master clock and the presonus as the master
>>> clock.
>>> No change.
>>> I twiddled with every setting I could find in Cubase that looked related
>>> and no change.
>>> I tried different microphones.
>>> No change.
>>> It sounds like there are two identical signals being sent to the main
>
>>> outs/headphones.
>>> I thought hmmm maybe the Direct monitoring was some how enabled... But
>it
>>> was disabled and I opened Cue Mix and disabled the main outs just in
case
>>> and closed it again.
>>> No change.
>>> I am sarting to think the Motu is defective.
>>> I tried opening a new project and adding an audio track so I was sure
>
>>> there
>>> was no processing...No Change.
>>> It is very noticable on the headphones.
>>> Not as noticable during playback, but I swear I can hear artifacts of
>it
>>> on recorded vocal material.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a clue what this might be?
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Cubasers... I got a problem PLEASE HELP!! [message #85391 is a reply to message #85375] Sat, 26 May 2007 18:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gene lennon is currently offline  gene lennon
Messages: 565
Registered: July 2006
Senior Member
Do you have MOTU CueMix Console?
Gene


"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>DJ,
>When I go to my MOTU device setup... I dont recall seeing anything about
>direct monitoring, but there must be....
>hmm...I will have to look around.. I might even have to get on the manual.
>
>b
>
>
>
>
>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>
>>guys,
>>I forgot to mention that I had checked the ASIO driver.
>>I am using the Motu ASIO driver.
>>
>>I swear that I can hear the phasing on recorded materials that I heard
phasing
>>on in the headphones while monitoring. Not just any old recorded track.
>It
>>might be my mind thinking it hears it because I am afraid that I am gonna
>>hear it...know what I mean...Hmmm... If that is the case I am gonna try
>thinking
>>I hear an 1176..matby one will appear in my studio..(((making my Hiro Nokamora
>>face >~( )))
>>
>>
>>I used to have Direct Monitoring enabled...but if you recall one
>>of my last problems was.... not being able to use VST plugs on live material
>>or hear them in realtime on a track I was recording.
>>The problem was Direct Monitoring. So that is why I disabled it.
>>Which brings us to another problem...
>>
>>I tried enabling Direct Monioting just to test if that was the issue. Every
>>time I would delect Direct Monitoring in the Decvice Setup Cubase would
>crash.
>>Why?
>>It used to function fine.
>>
>>???
>>thx
>>b
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>You need to be using ASIO direct monitoring. Even at 1.5ms latency you
>will
>>>hear some phasing because you are not only getting 1.5ms latency due to
>>the
>>>uffers, you are also getting around 1.5ms with your AD/DA conversion.
As
>>to
>>>hearing this on previously recorded material, I don't know,but it sounds
>>>like you've got some kind of loop with the recorded tracks being monitored
>>>in the record enabled track. Ain't native fun?
>>>
>>>Go to your control panel for you audio hardware and make sure ASIO direct
>>>monitoring is enabled. then, in cubase, go to Device Setup and .set your
>>>system for ASIO direct monitoring.
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:465821a2$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if this just started or if it has always been there...I
>have
>>>> been more focused or learning Cubase than listening to Cubase.
>>>> We are recording the Vox over those Nylon guitars this morning and I
>
>>>> noticed
>>>> something last night while settings up and doing an equipment
>>>> check....There
>>>> is very noticable phasing on the mic
>>>> thru the monitoring headphones.
>>>> I got a 3ms latency.
>>>> I thought man...am I hearing that? So I bumped the buffers down as far
>>as
>>>> they can go..to 1ms..I could still hear it just the same. So that cant
>>be
>>>> it.
>>>> I set my buffers back to 3ms.
>>>> I noticed some popping too which turned out to be my presonus wasnt
clock
>>>> locked to my motu. After I clock locked it no more pops. Which brings
>>me
>>>> to another part of the quest...
>>>> Initially I was running the mic thru the Presonus--ADAT out---Motu
I
>>
>>>> thought
>>>> maybe the Presonus is doing this....so I plugged directly to the Motu
>>and
>>>> same thing.
>>>> I tried using the Motu as the master clock and the presonus as the master
>>>> clock.
>>>> No change.
>>>> I twiddled with every setting I could find in Cubase that looked related
>>>> and no change.
>>>> I tried different microphones.
>>>> No change.
>>>> It sounds like there are two identical signals being sent to the main
>>
>>>> outs/headphones.
>>>> I thought hmmm maybe the Direct monitoring was some how enabled... But
>>it
>>>> was disabled and I opened Cue Mix and disabled the main outs just in
>case
>>>> and closed it again.
>>>> No change.
>>>> I am sarting to think the Motu is defective.
>>>> I tried opening a new project and adding an audio track so I was sure
>>
>>>> there
>>>> was no processing...No Change.
>>>> It is very noticable on the headphones.
>>>> Not as noticable during playback, but I swear I can hear artifacts of
>>it
>>>> on recorded vocal material.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have a clue what this might be?
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Cubasers... I got a problem PLEASE HELP!! [message #85393 is a reply to message #85391] Sat, 26 May 2007 19:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
brandon[2] is currently offline  brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
Senior Member
Gene,
I believe so.

b



"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>
>Do you have MOTU CueMix Console?
>Gene
>
>
>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>
>>DJ,
>>When I go to my MOTU device setup... I dont recall seeing anything about
>>direct monitoring, but there must be....
>>hmm...I will have to look around.. I might even have to get on the manual.
>>
>>b
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>guys,
>>>I forgot to mention that I had checked the ASIO driver.
>>>I am using the Motu ASIO driver.
>>>
>>>I swear that I can hear the phasing on recorded materials that I heard
>phasing
>>>on in the headphones while monitoring. Not just any old recorded track.
>>It
>>>might be my mind thinking it hears it because I am afraid that I am gonna
>>>hear it...know what I mean...Hmmm... If that is the case I am gonna try
>>thinking
>>>I hear an 1176..matby one will appear in my studio..(((making my Hiro
Nokamora
>>>face >~( )))
>>>
>>>
>>>I used to have Direct Monitoring enabled...but if you recall one
>>>of my last problems was.... not being able to use VST plugs on live material
>>>or hear them in realtime on a track I was recording.
>>>The problem was Direct Monitoring. So that is why I disabled it.
>>>Which brings us to another problem...
>>>
>>>I tried enabling Direct Monioting just to test if that was the issue.
Every
>>>time I would delect Direct Monitoring in the Decvice Setup Cubase would
>>crash.
>>>Why?
>>>It used to function fine.
>>>
>>>???
>>>thx
>>>b
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>You need to be using ASIO direct monitoring. Even at 1.5ms latency you
>>will
>>>>hear some phasing because you are not only getting 1.5ms latency due
to
>>>the
>>>>uffers, you are also getting around 1.5ms with your AD/DA conversion.
>As
>>>to
>>>>hearing this on previously recorded material, I don't know,but it sounds
>>>>like you've got some kind of loop with the recorded tracks being monitored
>>>>in the record enabled track. Ain't native fun?
>>>>
>>>>Go to your control panel for you audio hardware and make sure ASIO direct
>>>>monitoring is enabled. then, in cubase, go to Device Setup and .set your
>>>>system for ASIO direct monitoring.
>>>>
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:465821a2$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if this just started or if it has always been there...I
>>have
>>>>> been more focused or learning Cubase than listening to Cubase.
>>>>> We are recording the Vox over those Nylon guitars this morning and
I
>>
>>>>> noticed
>>>>> something last night while settings up and doing an equipment
>>>>> check....There
>>>>> is very noticable phasing on the mic
>>>>> thru the monitoring headphones.
>>>>> I got a 3ms latency.
>>>>> I thought man...am I hearing that? So I bumped the buffers down as
far
>>>as
>>>>> they can go..to 1ms..I could still hear it just the same. So that cant
>>>be
>>>>> it.
>>>>> I set my buffers back to 3ms.
>>>>> I noticed some popping too which turned out to be my presonus wasnt
>clock
>>>>> locked to my motu. After I clock locked it no more pops. Which brings
>>>me
>>>>> to another part of the quest...
>>>>> Initially I was running the mic thru the Presonus--ADAT out---Motu

>I
>>>
>>>>> thought
>>>>> maybe the Presonus is doing this....so I plugged directly to the Motu
>>>and
>>>>> same thing.
>>>>> I tried using the Motu as the master clock and the presonus as the
master
>>>>> clock.
>>>>> No change.
>>>>> I twiddled with every setting I could find in Cubase that looked related
>>>>> and no change.
>>>>> I tried different microphones.
>>>>> No change.
>>>>> It sounds like there are two identical signals being sent to the main
>>>
>>>>> outs/headphones.
>>>>> I thought hmmm maybe the Direct monitoring was some how enabled...
But
>>>it
>>>>> was disabled and I opened Cue Mix and disabled the main outs just in
>>case
>>>>> and closed it again.
>>>>> No change.
>>>>> I am sarting to think the Motu is defective.
>>>>> I tried opening a new project and adding an audio track so I was sure
>>>
>>>>> there
>>>>> was no processing...No Change.
>>>>> It is very noticable on the headphones.
>>>>> Not as noticable during playback, but I swear I can hear artifacts
of
>>>it
>>>>> on recorded vocal material.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have a clue what this might be?
>>>>>
>>>>> B
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Cubasers... I got a problem PLEASE HELP!! [message #85396 is a reply to message #85393] Sat, 26 May 2007 19:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gene lennon is currently offline  gene lennon
Messages: 565
Registered: July 2006
Senior Member
CuMix is a software console that allows zero (actually a few samples of delay)
latency monitoring using MOTU hardware. I use it with Digital Performer,
which controls it automatically. You should have a detailed manual that came
with the MOTU I/O box or the upgraded PCI card (if you have a new 424). This
is how you get rid of the recording delay, but not while using VST plugins.

Gene

"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>Gene,
>I believe so.
>
>b
>
>
>
>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Do you have MOTU CueMix Console?
>>Gene
>>
>>
>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>DJ,
>>>When I go to my MOTU device setup... I dont recall seeing anything about
>>>direct monitoring, but there must be....
>>>hmm...I will have to look around.. I might even have to get on the manual.
>>>
>>>b
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>guys,
>>>>I forgot to mention that I had checked the ASIO driver.
>>>>I am using the Motu ASIO driver.
>>>>
>>>>I swear that I can hear the phasing on recorded materials that I heard
>>phasing
>>>>on in the headphones while monitoring. Not just any old recorded track.
>>>It
>>>>might be my mind thinking it hears it because I am afraid that I am gonna
>>>>hear it...know what I mean...Hmmm... If that is the case I am gonna try
>>>thinking
>>>>I hear an 1176..matby one will appear in my studio..(((making my Hiro
>Nokamora
>>>>face >~( )))
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I used to have Direct Monitoring enabled...but if you recall one
>>>>of my last problems was.... not being able to use VST plugs on live material
>>>>or hear them in realtime on a track I was recording.
>>>>The problem was Direct Monitoring. So that is why I disabled it.
>>>>Which brings us to another problem...
>>>>
>>>>I tried enabling Direct Monioting just to test if that was the issue.
>Every
>>>>time I would delect Direct Monitoring in the Decvice Setup Cubase would
>>>crash.
>>>>Why?
>>>>It used to function fine.
>>>>
>>>>???
>>>>thx
>>>>b
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>You need to be using ASIO direct monitoring. Even at 1.5ms latency you
>>>will
>>>>>hear some phasing because you are not only getting 1.5ms latency due
>to
>>>>the
>>>>>uffers, you are also getting around 1.5ms with your AD/DA conversion.
>>As
>>>>to
>>>>>hearing this on previously recorded material, I don't know,but it sounds
>>>>>like you've got some kind of loop with the recorded tracks being monitored
>>>>>in the record enabled track. Ain't native fun?
>>>>>
>>>>>Go to your control panel for you audio hardware and make sure ASIO direct
>>>>>monitoring is enabled. then, in cubase, go to Device Setup and .set
your
>>>>>system for ASIO direct monitoring.
>>>>>
>>>>>Deej
>>>>>
>>>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:465821a2$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know if this just started or if it has always been there...I
>>>have
>>>>>> been more focused or learning Cubase than listening to Cubase.
>>>>>> We are recording the Vox over those Nylon guitars this morning and
>I
>>>
>>>>>> noticed
>>>>>> something last night while settings up and doing an equipment
>>>>>> check....There
>>>>>> is very noticable phasing on the mic
>>>>>> thru the monitoring headphones.
>>>>>> I got a 3ms latency.
>>>>>> I thought man...am I hearing that? So I bumped the buffers down as
>far
>>>>as
>>>>>> they can go..to 1ms..I could still hear it just the same. So that
cant
>>>>be
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>> I set my buffers back to 3ms.
>>>>>> I noticed some popping too which turned out to be my presonus wasnt
>>clock
>>>>>> locked to my motu. After I clock locked it no more pops. Which brings
>>>>me
>>>>>> to another part of the quest...
>>>>>> Initially I was running the mic thru the Presonus--ADAT out---Motu
>
>>I
>>>>
>>>>>> thought
>>>>>> maybe the Presonus is doing this....so I plugged directly to the Motu
>>>>and
>>>>>> same thing.
>>>>>> I tried using the Motu as the master clock and the presonus as the
>master
>>>>>> clock.
>>>>>> No change.
>>>>>> I twiddled with every setting I could find in Cubase that looked related
>>>>>> and no change.
>>>>>> I tried different microphones.
>>>>>> No change.
>>>>>> It sounds like there are two identical signals being sent to the main
>>>>
>>>>>> outs/headphones.
>>>>>> I thought hmmm maybe the Direct monitoring was some how enabled...
>But
>>>>it
>>>>>> was disabled and I opened Cue Mix and disabled the main outs just
in
>>>case
>>>>>> and closed it again.
>>>>>> No change.
>>>>>> I am sarting to think the Motu is defective.
>>>>>> I tried opening a new project and adding an audio track so I was sure
>>>>
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> was no processing...No Change.
>>>>>> It is very noticable on the headphones.
>>>>>> Not as noticable during playback, but I swear I can hear artifacts
>of
>>>>it
>>>>>> on recorded vocal material.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone have a clue what this might be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Cubasers... I got a problem PLEASE HELP!! [message #85444 is a reply to message #85375] Sun, 27 May 2007 16:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Ludwig is currently offline  Chris Ludwig   UNITED STATES
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
Senior Member
HI Brandon,
If you are not using direct monitoring then have to make absolutely sure
you are not monitoring the source in the MOTU cure mix or anywhere else
other than the Cubase. If you are then you getting the original dry
hardware sound mixed with the delayed software. If you are then no
matter how low your latency is there will be some phasing or echo.

Chris


Brandon wrote:
> DJ,
> When I go to my MOTU device setup... I dont recall seeing anything about
> direct monitoring, but there must be....
> hmm...I will have to look around.. I might even have to get on the manual.
>
> b
>
>
>
>
> "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>> guys,
>> I forgot to mention that I had checked the ASIO driver.
>> I am using the Motu ASIO driver.
>>
>> I swear that I can hear the phasing on recorded materials that I heard phasing
>> on in the headphones while monitoring. Not just any old recorded track.
>>
> It
>
>> might be my mind thinking it hears it because I am afraid that I am gonna
>> hear it...know what I mean...Hmmm... If that is the case I am gonna try
>>
> thinking
>
>> I hear an 1176..matby one will appear in my studio..(((making my Hiro Nokamora
>> face >~( )))
>>
>>
>> I used to have Direct Monitoring enabled...but if you recall one
>> of my last problems was.... not being able to use VST plugs on live material
>> or hear them in realtime on a track I was recording.
>> The problem was Direct Monitoring. So that is why I disabled it.
>> Which brings us to another problem...
>>
>> I tried enabling Direct Monioting just to test if that was the issue. Every
>> time I would delect Direct Monitoring in the Decvice Setup Cubase would
>>
> crash.
>
>> Why?
>> It used to function fine.
>>
>> ???
>> thx
>> b
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You need to be using ASIO direct monitoring. Even at 1.5ms latency you
>>>
> will
>
>>> hear some phasing because you are not only getting 1.5ms latency due to
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> uffers, you are also getting around 1.5ms with your AD/DA conversion. As
>>>
>> to
>>
>>> hearing this on previously recorded material, I don't know,but it sounds
>>> like you've got some kind of loop with the recorded tracks being monitored
>>> in the record enabled track. Ain't native fun?
>>>
>>> Go to your control panel for you audio hardware and make sure ASIO direct
>>> monitoring is enabled. then, in cubase, go to Device Setup and .set your
>>> system for ASIO direct monitoring.
>>>
>>> Deej
>>>
>>> "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:465821a2$1@linux...
>>>
>>>> I don't know if this just started or if it has always been there...I
>>>>
> have
>
>>>> been more focused or learning Cubase than listening to Cubase.
>>>> We are recording the Vox over those Nylon guitars this morning and I
>>>>
>
>
>>>> noticed
>>>> something last night while settings up and doing an equipment
>>>> check....There
>>>> is very noticable phasing on the mic
>>>> thru the monitoring headphones.
>>>> I got a 3ms latency.
>>>> I thought man...am I hearing that? So I bumped the buffers down as far
>>>>
>> as
>>
>>>> they can go..to 1ms..I could still hear it just the same. So that cant
>>>>
>> be
>>
>>>> it.
>>>> I set my buffers back to 3ms.
>>>> I noticed some popping too which turned out to be my presonus wasnt clock
>>>> locked to my motu. After I clock locked it no more pops. Which brings
>>>>
>> me
>>
>>>> to another part of the quest...
>>>> Initially I was running the mic thru the Presonus--ADAT out---Motu I
>>>>
>>>> thought
>>>> maybe the Presonus is doing this....so I plugged directly to the Motu
>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>> same thing.
>>>> I tried using the Motu as the master clock and the presonus as the master
>>>> clock.
>>>> No change.
>>>> I twiddled with every setting I could find in Cubase that looked related
>>>> and no change.
>>>> I tried different microphones.
>>>> No change.
>>>> It sounds like there are two identical signals being sent to the main
>>>>
>>>> outs/headphones.
>>>> I thought hmmm maybe the Direct monitoring was some how enabled... But
>>>>
>> it
>>
>>>> was disabled and I opened Cue Mix and disabled the main outs just in
>>>>
> case
>
>>>> and closed it again.
>>>> No change.
>>>> I am sarting to think the Motu is defective.
>>>> I tried opening a new project and adding an audio track so I was sure
>>>>
>>>> there
>>>> was no processing...No Change.
>>>> It is very noticable on the headphones.
>>>> Not as noticable during playback, but I swear I can hear artifacts of
>>>>
>> it
>>
>>>> on recorded vocal material.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have a clue what this might be?
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
>

--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
Re: Cubasers... I got a problem PLEASE HELP!! [message #85448 is a reply to message #85444] Sun, 27 May 2007 19:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
brandon[2] is currently offline  brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
Senior Member
Guys,

Direct Monitoring is controlled by cubase on the Motu 8pre.
I got it working again.
The problem I had is you cant have a project open and switch direct monitoring
on and off willy nilly. With no project open I had no problem enabling direct
monitoring.
I got it working... I think that may have fixed the phasing, but
now I swear thru the CueMix Console the signal sounds...muddy..bassy...not
well defined.
Hmm... I will have to mess with it some more.
I am testing it thru a SM57 and a CAD LDC tube mic.
I did get the talk back function working which is cool.
I will have to get one of those nifty lapel mics or cheap computer mics to
install on my console for talk back.

So now back to the situation of getting some verb or other effects on the
live monitored sound?
How are you guys handling this?
Am I the only one who likes to record this way or what?
It really help me get into the mood of the performance when I juice up the
live feed a bit with effects that fit what I am trying to do...it isnt what
I end up keeping , but it help with the mood.

thx
b







Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI Brandon,
>If you are not using direct monitoring then have to make absolutely sure

>you are not monitoring the source in the MOTU cure mix or anywhere else

>other than the Cubase. If you are then you getting the original dry
>hardware sound mixed with the delayed software. If you are then no
>matter how low your latency is there will be some phasing or echo.
>
>Chris
>
>
>Brandon wrote:
>> DJ,
>> When I go to my MOTU device setup... I dont recall seeing anything about
>> direct monitoring, but there must be....
>> hmm...I will have to look around.. I might even have to get on the manual.
>>
>> b
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>
>>> guys,
>>> I forgot to mention that I had checked the ASIO driver.
>>> I am using the Motu ASIO driver.
>>>
>>> I swear that I can hear the phasing on recorded materials that I heard
phasing
>>> on in the headphones while monitoring. Not just any old recorded track.
>>>
>> It
>>
>>> might be my mind thinking it hears it because I am afraid that I am gonna
>>> hear it...know what I mean...Hmmm... If that is the case I am gonna try
>>>
>> thinking
>>
>>> I hear an 1176..matby one will appear in my studio..(((making my Hiro
Nokamora
>>> face >~( )))
>>>
>>>
>>> I used to have Direct Monitoring enabled...but if you recall one
>>> of my last problems was.... not being able to use VST plugs on live material
>>> or hear them in realtime on a track I was recording.
>>> The problem was Direct Monitoring. So that is why I disabled it.
>>> Which brings us to another problem...
>>>
>>> I tried enabling Direct Monioting just to test if that was the issue.
Every
>>> time I would delect Direct Monitoring in the Decvice Setup Cubase would
>>>
>> crash.
>>
>>> Why?
>>> It used to function fine.
>>>
>>> ???
>>> thx
>>> b
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You need to be using ASIO direct monitoring. Even at 1.5ms latency you
>>>>
>> will
>>
>>>> hear some phasing because you are not only getting 1.5ms latency due
to
>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>> uffers, you are also getting around 1.5ms with your AD/DA conversion.
As
>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>> hearing this on previously recorded material, I don't know,but it sounds
>>>> like you've got some kind of loop with the recorded tracks being monitored
>>>> in the record enabled track. Ain't native fun?
>>>>
>>>> Go to your control panel for you audio hardware and make sure ASIO direct
>>>> monitoring is enabled. then, in cubase, go to Device Setup and .set
your
>>>> system for ASIO direct monitoring.
>>>>
>>>> Deej
>>>>
>>>> "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:465821a2$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if this just started or if it has always been there...I
>>>>>
>> have
>>
>>>>> been more focused or learning Cubase than listening to Cubase.
>>>>> We are recording the Vox over those Nylon guitars this morning and
I
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>> noticed
>>>>> something last night while settings up and doing an equipment
>>>>> check....There
>>>>> is very noticable phasing on the mic
>>>>> thru the monitoring headphones.
>>>>> I got a 3ms latency.
>>>>> I thought man...am I hearing that? So I bumped the buffers down as
far
>>>>>
>>> as
>>>
>>>>> they can go..to 1ms..I could still hear it just the same. So that cant
>>>>>
>>> be
>>>
>>>>> it.
>>>>> I set my buffers back to 3ms.
>>>>> I noticed some popping too which turned out to be my presonus wasnt
clock
>>>>> locked to my motu. After I clock locked it no more pops. Which brings
>>>>>
>>> me
>>>
>>>>> to another part of the quest...
>>>>> Initially I was running the mic thru the Presonus--ADAT out---Motu
I
>>>>>
>>>>> thought
>>>>> maybe the Presonus is doing this....so I plugged directly to the Motu
>>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>> same thing.
>>>>> I tried using the Motu as the master clock and the presonus as the
master
>>>>> clock.
>>>>> No change.
>>>>> I twiddled with every setting I could find in Cubase that looked related
>>>>> and no change.
>>>>> I tried different microphones.
>>>>> No change.
>>>>> It sounds like there are two identical signals being sent to the main
>>>>>
>>>>> outs/headphones.
>>>>> I thought hmmm maybe the Direct monitoring was some how enabled...
But
>>>>>
>>> it
>>>
>>>>> was disabled and I opened Cue Mix and disabled the main outs just in
>>>>>
>> case
>>
>>>>> and closed it again.
>>>>> No change.
>>>>> I am sarting to think the Motu is defective.
>>>>> I tried opening a new project and adding an audio track so I was sure
>>>>>
>>>>> there
>>>>> was no processing...No Change.
>>>>> It is very noticable on the headphones.
>>>>> Not as noticable during playback, but I swear I can hear artifacts
of
>>>>>
>>> it
>>>
>>>>> on recorded vocal material.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have a clue what this might be?
>>>>>
>>>>> B
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762
Re: Cubasers... I got a problem PLEASE HELP!! [message #85466 is a reply to message #85448] Mon, 28 May 2007 04:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John [1] is currently offline  John [1]
Messages: 2229
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I'm using control room studio mixes at 3ms latency and it works great here.
Effects and all.
Re: Cubasers... I got a problem PLEASE HELP!! [message #85467 is a reply to message #85466] Mon, 28 May 2007 06:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
brandon[2] is currently offline  brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
Senior Member
john,

you are talking about Cubase 4 aren't you?
I got SX3.









"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>I'm using control room studio mixes at 3ms latency and it works great here.
> Effects and all.
Re: Cubasers... I got a problem PLEASE HELP!! [message #85530 is a reply to message #85467] Mon, 28 May 2007 20:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
brandon[2] is currently offline  brandon[2]
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Well we did the vox today.
I had it setup with direct monitoring.
I spent a couple hours getting familiar with the
whole setup so I was comfortable and able
to get around with it...

After the first take the vocalist asked for reverb.
So....out the door it went.
I had to switch back to the other method.
There was no problems.
Actually I didn't even try to hear any phasing.

The session went very well.
Very capable singer.
Stays on pitch pretty darn well.
The only issue I had was her dynamics were extreme.
I usually compress the vox to disk subtly.
Maybe 2db to 4db at the most.
She sang so softly in some parts and so loud in the others
that it took me a while to get the threshold just right.
She ended up spiking the comp with up to 8db-10db.
More than I like but it turned out well.
I suppose I could have backed off the ratio a bit, but I wasnt thinking.
To busy trying to "look" professional.
Anyway.
I got a nice foundation to mix with.
I am pleased with the tracking.
I would have liked for her to sing more harmony parts, but
she really didnt care for the song too much and wasnt willing to do more
than 5 takes total.
Oh well.
It will be fun mixing.
Thanks for all the help with this thread.
I will post the finished product when I get there.
b


"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>john,
>
>you are talking about Cubase 4 aren't you?
>I got SX3.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>I'm using control room studio mixes at 3ms latency and it works great here.
>> Effects and all.
>
Re: Cubasers... I got a problem PLEASE HELP!! [message #85531 is a reply to message #85530] Mon, 28 May 2007 21:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [4] is currently offline  Deej [4]   UNITED STATES
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
Senior Member
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:465b9dbd$1@linux...
>
> Well we did the vox today.
> I had it setup with direct monitoring.
> I spent a couple hours getting familiar with the
> whole setup so I was comfortable and able
> to get around with it...
>
> After the first take the vocalist asked for reverb.

the vocalist "always" asks for reverb...always. ;o)


> So....out the door it went.
> I had to switch back to the other method.
> There was no problems.
> Actually I didn't even try to hear any phasing.

good for you


>
> The session went very well.
> Very capable singer.
> Stays on pitch pretty darn well.
> The only issue I had was her dynamics were extreme.
> I usually compress the vox to disk subtly.
> Maybe 2db to 4db at the most.
> She sang so softly in some parts and so loud in the others
> that it took me a while to get the threshold just right.
> She ended up spiking the comp with up to 8db-10db.
> More than I like but it turned out well.
> I suppose I could have backed off the ratio a bit, but I wasnt thinking.
> To busy trying to "look" professional.

This is why I absolutely love my Forssell CS-1. I can set it up with massive
amounts of compression and it will be transparent under all but them most
extreme circumstances.......plus, while it is compressing, something very
nice happens to the signal..

> Anyway.
> I got a nice foundation to mix with.
> I am pleased with the tracking.
> I would have liked for her to sing more harmony parts, but
> she really didnt care for the song too much and wasnt willing to do more
> than 5 takes total.
> Oh well.
> It will be fun mixing.
> Thanks for all the help with this thread.
> I will post the finished product when I get there.
> b
>

Glad you got it happening.

Deej
Re: Cubasers... I got a problem PLEASE HELP!! [message #85543 is a reply to message #85531] Tue, 29 May 2007 08:59 Go to previous message
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