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| Re: Paris gain staging and UAD-1 Precision Limiter-a discovery [message #63762 is a reply to message #63758] |
Wed, 25 January 2006 10:41   |
Don Nafe
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Well as long as you guys are in sync, sonically speaking, then forge ahead!
It's when the client, who has no fucking clue as to what they are doing
insists their $0.02 are absolutely right and as the hired help you are
obligated to acquiesce...while quietly (but quickly) removing your name from
every aspect of this abomination. ARGH!
Don
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43d7c3c6$1@linux...
> The further along this mix gets, the more the client is saying things like
> "ya' know", this is sounding so good to me that I think I'm going to get
> *this or that* song to *so-and-so*. All of these so-and-so's are DJ's he
> knows on indy stations/ NPR affiliates.......and one of them is program
> director on a major commercial station. He's got a lot of connections and
> family clout. I don't know if he has *that* much clout
> or if any of this will happen but if it does, my name is going to be all
> over this thing...recording, mixing and mastering engineer plus executive
> co-producer...so I'm sweatin a little here.
>
> ;o}
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:43d7c0aa$1@linux...
>> > The verdict, IMO, is to save yourself lots of wailing, gnashing of
> teeth,
>> > rending of garments and tearing of hair and make sure your client has a
>> > mastering budget.
>> >
>> > ;o)
>> >
>>
>> So true...I hate quasi-mastering
>>
>>
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| Re: Paris gain staging and UAD-1 Precision Limiter-a discovery [message #63767 is a reply to message #63762] |
Wed, 25 January 2006 12:12 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Just put a little blurb in the liner notes about all songs mixed and mastered
using the Roger Nichols auto mix plugin; )
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>Well as long as you guys are in sync, sonically speaking, then forge ahead!
>
>It's when the client, who has no fucking clue as to what they are doing
>insists their $0.02 are absolutely right and as the hired help you are
>obligated to acquiesce...while quietly (but quickly) removing your name
from
>every aspect of this abomination. ARGH!
>
>Don
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:43d7c3c6$1@linux...
>> The further along this mix gets, the more the client is saying things
like
>> "ya' know", this is sounding so good to me that I think I'm going to get
>> *this or that* song to *so-and-so*. All of these so-and-so's are DJ's
he
>> knows on indy stations/ NPR affiliates.......and one of them is program
>> director on a major commercial station. He's got a lot of connections
and
>> family clout. I don't know if he has *that* much clout
>> or if any of this will happen but if it does, my name is going to be all
>> over this thing...recording, mixing and mastering engineer plus executive
>> co-producer...so I'm sweatin a little here.
>>
>> ;o}
>>
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:43d7c0aa$1@linux...
>>> > The verdict, IMO, is to save yourself lots of wailing, gnashing of
>> teeth,
>>> > rending of garments and tearing of hair and make sure your client has
a
>>> > mastering budget.
>>> >
>>> > ;o)
>>> >
>>>
>>> So true...I hate quasi-mastering
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Paris gain staging and UAD-1 Precision Limiter-a discovery [message #63768 is a reply to message #63753] |
Wed, 25 January 2006 12:12 |
Rod Lincoln
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Registered: September 2005
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DJ, good info bro. I'm working on mastering a live Dixieland album right now
(that I also recorded and mixed), and may try your idea. What kind of things
(amounts of GR etc.) are you liking with the UAD PL? I've been liking starting
with the "2 mix squash" preset and tweaking from there.
Rod
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I'm trying out various permutations of gain staging on a mix. This is a
mix
>with a lot of acoustic instruments. I have tried lots of options. The one
>that is working best for this kind of mix is to set the submix faders so
tht
>the overall submix is barely clipping the submix bus, then set the global
>fader to -2.2dB, set NoLimit on the Global fader with the thresjhild at
-1.8
>and output at -0.6. The mix sounds very smooth and phat, but very detiled
>and non-aggressive and the kicker is that subsequent application of UAD-1
PL
>on the stereo mix allows a very transparent gain boost without any
>significant perceptual skewing of the relative levels. Since there is no
>mastering budget for this project I'm mixing here, I'm having to really
do a
>lot of experimenting with all phases of the process and it's very
>interesting....and stressful.
>
>The verdict, IMO, is to save yourself lots of wailing, gnashing of teeth,
>rending of garments and tearing of hair and make sure your client has a
>mastering budget.
>
>;o)
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| Re: Paris gain staging and UAD-1 Precision Limiter-a discovery [message #63777 is a reply to message #63762] |
Wed, 25 January 2006 15:09 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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I once did a post-production project (I don't master, I'm too deaf for that,
I just do post-pro so people can get CDs to duplication houses) in which
I got every single last bit of volume I could possibly get for a loud, punky
rock band. They wanted more. I said I couldn't do it without making it sound
like hell. They insisted. I agreed to do the work if and only if a) my name
would be nowhere on the CD and b) they would never tell anyone I had done
such horrible things.
TCB
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>Well as long as you guys are in sync, sonically speaking, then forge ahead!
>
>It's when the client, who has no fucking clue as to what they are doing
>insists their $0.02 are absolutely right and as the hired help you are
>obligated to acquiesce...while quietly (but quickly) removing your name
from
>every aspect of this abomination. ARGH!
>
>Don
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:43d7c3c6$1@linux...
>> The further along this mix gets, the more the client is saying things
like
>> "ya' know", this is sounding so good to me that I think I'm going to get
>> *this or that* song to *so-and-so*. All of these so-and-so's are DJ's
he
>> knows on indy stations/ NPR affiliates.......and one of them is program
>> director on a major commercial station. He's got a lot of connections
and
>> family clout. I don't know if he has *that* much clout
>> or if any of this will happen but if it does, my name is going to be all
>> over this thing...recording, mixing and mastering engineer plus executive
>> co-producer...so I'm sweatin a little here.
>>
>> ;o}
>>
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:43d7c0aa$1@linux...
>>> > The verdict, IMO, is to save yourself lots of wailing, gnashing of
>> teeth,
>>> > rending of garments and tearing of hair and make sure your client has
a
>>> > mastering budget.
>>> >
>>> > ;o)
>>> >
>>>
>>> So true...I hate quasi-mastering
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Paris gain staging and UAD-1 Precision Limiter-a discovery [message #63784 is a reply to message #63768] |
Wed, 25 January 2006 15:03 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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On the PL, I just open it up to default and crank the input gain. that's all
there is to it. The secret is getting everything properly balanced in the
mix so that you don't have to do anything else but just *turn it up* until
you start hgearing compression artifacts, then back it off until it sounds
as open and natural as it did before you hit it with the PL.
Deej
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote in message news:43d7cdb3$1@linux...
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> DJ, good info bro. I'm working on mastering a live Dixieland album right
now
> (that I also recorded and mixed), and may try your idea. What kind of
things
> (amounts of GR etc.) are you liking with the UAD PL? I've been liking
starting
> with the "2 mix squash" preset and tweaking from there.
> Rod
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I'm trying out various permutations of gain staging on a mix. This is a
> mix
> >with a lot of acoustic instruments. I have tried lots of options. The one
> >that is working best for this kind of mix is to set the submix faders so
> tht
> >the overall submix is barely clipping the submix bus, then set the global
> >fader to -2.2dB, set NoLimit on the Global fader with the thresjhild at
> -1.8
> >and output at -0.6. The mix sounds very smooth and phat, but very detiled
> >and non-aggressive and the kicker is that subsequent application of UAD-1
> PL
> >on the stereo mix allows a very transparent gain boost without any
> >significant perceptual skewing of the relative levels. Since there is no
> >mastering budget for this project I'm mixing here, I'm having to really
> do a
> >lot of experimenting with all phases of the process and it's very
> >interesting....and stressful.
> >
> >The verdict, IMO, is to save yourself lots of wailing, gnashing of teeth,
> >rending of garments and tearing of hair and make sure your client has a
> >mastering budget.
> >
> >;o)
> >
> >
>
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| Re: Paris gain staging and UAD-1 Precision Limiter-a discovery [message #63795 is a reply to message #63753] |
Wed, 25 January 2006 18:17 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
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I've found the pultec needs at least -3dB headroom not to suck. You can
boost post, but you better not have a zero coming into it. Otherwise, pretty
nice plug.
AA
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43d7b88b@linux...
> I'm trying out various permutations of gain staging on a mix. This is a
> mix
> with a lot of acoustic instruments. I have tried lots of options. The one
> that is working best for this kind of mix is to set the submix faders so
> tht
> the overall submix is barely clipping the submix bus, then set the global
> fader to -2.2dB, set NoLimit on the Global fader with the thresjhild
> at -1.8
> and output at -0.6. The mix sounds very smooth and phat, but very detiled
> and non-aggressive and the kicker is that subsequent application of UAD-1
> PL
> on the stereo mix allows a very transparent gain boost without any
> significant perceptual skewing of the relative levels. Since there is no
> mastering budget for this project I'm mixing here, I'm having to really do
> a
> lot of experimenting with all phases of the process and it's very
> interesting....and stressful.
>
> The verdict, IMO, is to save yourself lots of wailing, gnashing of teeth,
> rending of garments and tearing of hair and make sure your client has a
> mastering budget.
>
> ;o)
>
>
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| Re: Paris gain staging and UAD-1 Precision Limiter-a discovery [message #63812 is a reply to message #63777] |
Thu, 26 January 2006 01:00 |
erlilo
Messages: 405
Registered: June 2005
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You should used the amplifier volume to blow their ears and heart to hell.
It's the only thing that's doing that kind of people happy;-)
Erling
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> skrev i melding news:43d7f726$1@linux...
>
> I once did a post-production project (I don't master, I'm too deaf for
> that,
> I just do post-pro so people can get CDs to duplication houses) in which
> I got every single last bit of volume I could possibly get for a loud,
> punky
> rock band. They wanted more. I said I couldn't do it without making it
> sound
> like hell. They insisted. I agreed to do the work if and only if a) my
> name
> would be nowhere on the CD and b) they would never tell anyone I had done
> such horrible things.
>
> TCB
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>Well as long as you guys are in sync, sonically speaking, then forge
>>ahead!
>>
>>It's when the client, who has no fucking clue as to what they are doing
>
>>insists their $0.02 are absolutely right and as the hired help you are
>>obligated to acquiesce...while quietly (but quickly) removing your name
> from
>>every aspect of this abomination. ARGH!
>>
>>Don
>>
>>
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>news:43d7c3c6$1@linux...
>>> The further along this mix gets, the more the client is saying things
> like
>>> "ya' know", this is sounding so good to me that I think I'm going to get
>>> *this or that* song to *so-and-so*. All of these so-and-so's are DJ's
> he
>>> knows on indy stations/ NPR affiliates.......and one of them is program
>>> director on a major commercial station. He's got a lot of connections
> and
>>> family clout. I don't know if he has *that* much clout
>>> or if any of this will happen but if it does, my name is going to be all
>>> over this thing...recording, mixing and mastering engineer plus
>>> executive
>>> co-producer...so I'm sweatin a little here.
>>>
>>> ;o}
>>>
>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:43d7c0aa$1@linux...
>>>> > The verdict, IMO, is to save yourself lots of wailing, gnashing of
>>> teeth,
>>>> > rending of garments and tearing of hair and make sure your client has
> a
>>>> > mastering budget.
>>>> >
>>>> > ;o)
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> So true...I hate quasi-mastering
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Paris gain staging and UAD-1 Precision Limiter-a discovery [message #63814 is a reply to message #63753] |
Thu, 26 January 2006 01:58 |
erlilo
Messages: 405
Registered: June 2005
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....we don't wanna have hair in the mastering soup, so it's interesting. Have
you tested Voxengo Elephant2? I tested it against the limiter plugins I
have(not the UAD1) and I was really surprised with the 8 different limiting
modes it have for different types of music. I have allways had problems to
limit long soft tones enough to get a punchy mix but with some tweakings in
the EL-3 mode, I really got the gain boost transparent, smooth and fat with
all the details intact. There was only one thing that was missing. It was
thining out the sound a little bit, as all limiters seems to do, so I used a
VST eq. before the limiter
and boosted 60 to 300 hrtz a little bit up. And then my old ears get my soul
happy:-)
Erling
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i melding
news:43d7b88b@linux...
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> The verdict, IMO, is to save yourself lots of wailing, gnashing of teeth,
> rending of garments and tearing of hair and make sure your client has a
> mastering budget.
>
> ;o)
>
>
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| Re: Paris gain staging and UAD-1 Precision Limiter-a discovery [message #63835 is a reply to message #63812] |
Thu, 26 January 2006 14:10 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Well, their check didn't bounce so I couldn't complain too much. I'm not patient
enough to teach people lessons in audio, if you want it that bad just don't
tell anyone I did it.
TCB
"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote:
>You should used the amplifier volume to blow their ears and heart to hell.
>It's the only thing that's doing that kind of people happy;-)
>
>Erling
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> skrev i melding news:43d7f726$1@linux...
>>
>> I once did a post-production project (I don't master, I'm too deaf for
>> that,
>> I just do post-pro so people can get CDs to duplication houses) in which
>> I got every single last bit of volume I could possibly get for a loud,
>> punky
>> rock band. They wanted more. I said I couldn't do it without making it
>> sound
>> like hell. They insisted. I agreed to do the work if and only if a) my
>> name
>> would be nowhere on the CD and b) they would never tell anyone I had done
>> such horrible things.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>Well as long as you guys are in sync, sonically speaking, then forge
>>>ahead!
>>>
>>>It's when the client, who has no fucking clue as to what they are doing
>>
>>>insists their $0.02 are absolutely right and as the hired help you are
>>>obligated to acquiesce...while quietly (but quickly) removing your name
>> from
>>>every aspect of this abomination. ARGH!
>>>
>>>Don
>>>
>>>
>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>>news:43d7c3c6$1@linux...
>>>> The further along this mix gets, the more the client is saying things
>> like
>>>> "ya' know", this is sounding so good to me that I think I'm going to
get
>>>> *this or that* song to *so-and-so*. All of these so-and-so's are DJ's
>> he
>>>> knows on indy stations/ NPR affiliates.......and one of them is program
>>>> director on a major commercial station. He's got a lot of connections
>> and
>>>> family clout. I don't know if he has *that* much clout
>>>> or if any of this will happen but if it does, my name is going to be
all
>>>> over this thing...recording, mixing and mastering engineer plus
>>>> executive
>>>> co-producer...so I'm sweatin a little here.
>>>>
>>>> ;o}
>>>>
>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:43d7c0aa$1@linux...
>>>>> > The verdict, IMO, is to save yourself lots of wailing, gnashing of
>>>> teeth,
>>>>> > rending of garments and tearing of hair and make sure your client
has
>> a
>>>>> > mastering budget.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ;o)
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> So true...I hate quasi-mastering
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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