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Dual Core AMD woes [message #68312] Tue, 16 May 2006 14:30 Go to next message
Rob is currently offline  Rob   
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Registered: May 2006
Junior Member
I've been looking back through earlier postings and found a bit
of info on Dual Core processors. Someone mentioned problems with
the C16 in particular. Since installing the dual core processor,
I have had just such problems. The C16 will lock up, mouse
functions still work and I can save a project, but I cannot play
or move the "now line". Some times I have to restart Paris
several times to get things working.

Has anyone discovered any work arounds to the dual core problems?
I hate to give up the dual core since it solved some other
bottleneck problems I was having with other programs. Since
installing the dual core processor, my old Waves pluggins stopped
working in my Samplitude program as well!

Any help out there?

Rob
Re: Dual Core AMD woes [message #68316 is a reply to message #68312] Tue, 16 May 2006 15:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
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>Some times I have to restart Paris several times to get things working

Are you caying that you can get it working normally after a few restarts? If
so, then you've suceeded where no one else has.

"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote in message news:446a4467$1@linux...
>
> I've been looking back through earlier postings and found a bit
> of info on Dual Core processors. Someone mentioned problems with
> the C16 in particular. Since installing the dual core processor,
> I have had just such problems. The C16 will lock up, mouse
> functions still work and I can save a project, but I cannot play
> or move the "now line". Some times I have to restart Paris
> several times to get things working.
>
> Has anyone discovered any work arounds to the dual core problems?
> I hate to give up the dual core since it solved some other
> bottleneck problems I was having with other programs. Since
> installing the dual core processor, my old Waves pluggins stopped
> working in my Samplitude program as well!
>
> Any help out there?
>
> Rob
Re: Dual Core AMD woes [message #68321 is a reply to message #68312] Tue, 16 May 2006 18:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
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Did you check here:

http://news.parisnewsgroup.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?cmd=article& amp;group=IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS&item=175456&utag=

I think one of these switches is your best hope, though I haven't heard a
proper confirmation that it works.

Cheers,
Kim.

"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>
>I've been looking back through earlier postings and found a bit
>of info on Dual Core processors. Someone mentioned problems with
>the C16 in particular. Since installing the dual core processor,
>I have had just such problems. The C16 will lock up, mouse
>functions still work and I can save a project, but I cannot play
>or move the "now line". Some times I have to restart Paris
>several times to get things working.
>
>Has anyone discovered any work arounds to the dual core problems?
>I hate to give up the dual core since it solved some other
>bottleneck problems I was having with other programs. Since
>installing the dual core processor, my old Waves pluggins stopped
>working in my Samplitude program as well!
>
>Any help out there?
>
>Rob
Re: Dual Core AMD woes [message #68322 is a reply to message #68316] Tue, 16 May 2006 19:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rob is currently offline  Rob   
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Hmmm, am I one of the fortunate ones? Yes I can get the system to work normally,
sometimes for up to 1/2 hr or so, sometimes for 30 seconds, but it does work.
If I am working in Samplitude, I use Paris as my monitoring system. Even
if the C16 is locked up, the audio monitoring system still works normally.
By your response, I am gathering that there probably is no known cure at
this time. Oh well! Thanks DJ.

Rob

"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>Some times I have to restart Paris several times to get things working
>
>Are you caying that you can get it working normally after a few restarts?
If
>so, then you've suceeded where no one else has.
>
>"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote in message news:446a4467$1@linux...
>>
>> I've been looking back through earlier postings and found a bit
>> of info on Dual Core processors. Someone mentioned problems with
>> the C16 in particular. Since installing the dual core processor,
>> I have had just such problems. The C16 will lock up, mouse
>> functions still work and I can save a project, but I cannot play
>> or move the "now line". Some times I have to restart Paris
>> several times to get things working.
>>
>> Has anyone discovered any work arounds to the dual core problems?
>> I hate to give up the dual core since it solved some other
>> bottleneck problems I was having with other programs. Since
>> installing the dual core processor, my old Waves pluggins stopped
>> working in my Samplitude program as well!
>>
>> Any help out there?
>>
>> Rob
>
>
Re: Dual Core AMD woes [message #68323 is a reply to message #68321] Tue, 16 May 2006 19:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rob is currently offline  Rob   
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thanks, Kim. I'll research that a bit to see if I can figure out how to implment
that switch. I'll post to let you know if it worked.

Rob

"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Did you check here:
>
> http://news.parisnewsgroup.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?cmd=article& amp;group=IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS&item=175456&utag=
>
>I think one of these switches is your best hope, though I haven't heard
a
>proper confirmation that it works.
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>>
>>I've been looking back through earlier postings and found a bit
>>of info on Dual Core processors. Someone mentioned problems with
>>the C16 in particular. Since installing the dual core processor,
>>I have had just such problems. The C16 will lock up, mouse
>>functions still work and I can save a project, but I cannot play
>>or move the "now line". Some times I have to restart Paris
>>several times to get things working.
>>
>>Has anyone discovered any work arounds to the dual core problems?
>>I hate to give up the dual core since it solved some other
>>bottleneck problems I was having with other programs. Since
>>installing the dual core processor, my old Waves pluggins stopped
>>working in my Samplitude program as well!
>>
>>Any help out there?
>>
>>Rob
>
Re: Dual Core AMD woes [message #68324 is a reply to message #68323] Wed, 17 May 2006 02:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
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I would very much appreciate some feedback, as it's a fairly important issue
for people which we haven't really resolved yet...

....and people keep asking, and I keep giving them this link, but I don't
yet know if it can be made to work...

Cheers,
Kim.

"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>
>thanks, Kim. I'll research that a bit to see if I can figure out how to
implment
>that switch. I'll post to let you know if it worked.
>
>Rob
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Did you check here:
>>
>> http://news.parisnewsgroup.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?cmd=article& amp;group=IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS&item=175456&utag=
>>
>>I think one of these switches is your best hope, though I haven't heard
>a
>>proper confirmation that it works.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>>
>>"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I've been looking back through earlier postings and found a bit
>>>of info on Dual Core processors. Someone mentioned problems with
>>>the C16 in particular. Since installing the dual core processor,
>>>I have had just such problems. The C16 will lock up, mouse
>>>functions still work and I can save a project, but I cannot play
>>>or move the "now line". Some times I have to restart Paris
>>>several times to get things working.
>>>
>>>Has anyone discovered any work arounds to the dual core problems?
>>>I hate to give up the dual core since it solved some other
>>>bottleneck problems I was having with other programs. Since
>>>installing the dual core processor, my old Waves pluggins stopped
>>>working in my Samplitude program as well!
>>>
>>>Any help out there?
>>>
>>>Rob
>>
>
Re: Dual Core AMD woes [message #68325 is a reply to message #68323] Wed, 17 May 2006 02:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
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By the way, don't just check that one post... check the whole thread...

http://news.parisnewsgroup.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?utag=&gr oup=IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS&xrelated=175456&cmd_related =Related+Items

Cheers,
Kim.

"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>
>thanks, Kim. I'll research that a bit to see if I can figure out how to
implment
>that switch. I'll post to let you know if it worked.
>
>Rob
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Did you check here:
>>
>> http://news.parisnewsgroup.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?cmd=article& amp;group=IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS&item=175456&utag=
>>
>>I think one of these switches is your best hope, though I haven't heard
>a
>>proper confirmation that it works.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>>
>>"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I've been looking back through earlier postings and found a bit
>>>of info on Dual Core processors. Someone mentioned problems with
>>>the C16 in particular. Since installing the dual core processor,
>>>I have had just such problems. The C16 will lock up, mouse
>>>functions still work and I can save a project, but I cannot play
>>>or move the "now line". Some times I have to restart Paris
>>>several times to get things working.
>>>
>>>Has anyone discovered any work arounds to the dual core problems?
>>>I hate to give up the dual core since it solved some other
>>>bottleneck problems I was having with other programs. Since
>>>installing the dual core processor, my old Waves pluggins stopped
>>>working in my Samplitude program as well!
>>>
>>>Any help out there?
>>>
>>>Rob
>>
>
Re: Dual Core AMD woes [message #68326 is a reply to message #68325] Wed, 17 May 2006 06:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rob is currently offline  Rob   
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Thanks, Kim. I did check the whole thread. Here is what I've
tried:

I tried the "/intaffinity" switch in the boot.ini to no availe.
I tried using the Interupt Affinity tool in win2003 resource kit.
That tool actually prevented Paris from loading. I got an error
on startup. I used it on the Schertzo driver. should I have
used it elseware?
The only thing that seems to work is the boot.ini switch
"/onecpu". This even brought back my Waves pluggins for
Samplitude.
At this point in time, I will probably just dual boot, one with
the /onecpu switch for when i need to do a lot of work in Paris,
or Samplitude. Unfortunately, it's usually when I am using
Samplitude that I have another task (CD duplication) running
in the background. That's when the extra cpu works well. Oh
well, it's only the Waves pluggins that seem to be affected
with Samplitude. they're getting old anyway, new would probably
sound better.

If there are more suggestions out there, I'll try them.

Rob

"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>By the way, don't just check that one post... check the whole thread...
>
> http://news.parisnewsgroup.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?utag=&gr oup=IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS&xrelated=175456&cmd_related =Related+Items
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>>
>>thanks, Kim. I'll research that a bit to see if I can figure out how to
>implment
>>that switch. I'll post to let you know if it worked.
>>
>>Rob
>>
>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Did you check here:
>>>
>>> http://news.parisnewsgroup.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?cmd=article& amp;group=IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS&item=175456&utag=
>>>
>>>I think one of these switches is your best hope, though I haven't heard
>>a
>>>proper confirmation that it works.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Kim.
>>>
>>>"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I've been looking back through earlier postings and found a bit
>>>>of info on Dual Core processors. Someone mentioned problems with
>>>>the C16 in particular. Since installing the dual core processor,
>>>>I have had just such problems. The C16 will lock up, mouse
>>>>functions still work and I can save a project, but I cannot play
>>>>or move the "now line". Some times I have to restart Paris
>>>>several times to get things working.
>>>>
>>>>Has anyone discovered any work arounds to the dual core problems?
>>>>I hate to give up the dual core since it solved some other
>>>>bottleneck problems I was having with other programs. Since
>>>>installing the dual core processor, my old Waves pluggins stopped
>>>>working in my Samplitude program as well!
>>>>
>>>>Any help out there?
>>>>
>>>>Rob
>>>
>>
>
Re: Dual Core AMD woes [message #68330 is a reply to message #68326] Wed, 17 May 2006 16:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
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Registered: October 2005
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Rob,

Thanks for the update. Good to know that you've at least made some progress
of some kind. At least you can make it work. I guess the waves plugs must
have dual processor issues also.

Cheers,
Kim.

"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>
>Thanks, Kim. I did check the whole thread. Here is what I've
>tried:
>
>I tried the "/intaffinity" switch in the boot.ini to no availe.
>I tried using the Interupt Affinity tool in win2003 resource kit.
>That tool actually prevented Paris from loading. I got an error
>on startup. I used it on the Schertzo driver. should I have
>used it elseware?
>The only thing that seems to work is the boot.ini switch
>"/onecpu". This even brought back my Waves pluggins for
>Samplitude.
>At this point in time, I will probably just dual boot, one with
>the /onecpu switch for when i need to do a lot of work in Paris,
>or Samplitude. Unfortunately, it's usually when I am using
>Samplitude that I have another task (CD duplication) running
>in the background. That's when the extra cpu works well. Oh
>well, it's only the Waves pluggins that seem to be affected
>with Samplitude. they're getting old anyway, new would probably
>sound better.
>
>If there are more suggestions out there, I'll try them.
>
>Rob
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>By the way, don't just check that one post... check the whole thread...
>>
>> http://news.parisnewsgroup.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?utag=&gr oup=IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS&xrelated=175456&cmd_related =Related+Items
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>>
>>"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>thanks, Kim. I'll research that a bit to see if I can figure out how to
>>implment
>>>that switch. I'll post to let you know if it worked.
>>>
>>>Rob
>>>
>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Did you check here:
>>>>
>>>> http://news.parisnewsgroup.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?cmd=article& amp;group=IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS&item=175456&utag=
>>>>
>>>>I think one of these switches is your best hope, though I haven't heard
>>>a
>>>>proper confirmation that it works.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Kim.
>>>>
>>>>"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>I've been looking back through earlier postings and found a bit
>>>>>of info on Dual Core processors. Someone mentioned problems with
>>>>>the C16 in particular. Since installing the dual core processor,
>>>>>I have had just such problems. The C16 will lock up, mouse
>>>>>functions still work and I can save a project, but I cannot play
>>>>>or move the "now line". Some times I have to restart Paris
>>>>>several times to get things working.
>>>>>
>>>>>Has anyone discovered any work arounds to the dual core problems?
>>>>>I hate to give up the dual core since it solved some other
>>>>>bottleneck problems I was having with other programs. Since
>>>>>installing the dual core processor, my old Waves pluggins stopped
>>>>>working in my Samplitude program as well!
>>>>>
>>>>>Any help out there?
>>>>>
>>>>>Rob
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Dual Core AMD woes [message #68332 is a reply to message #68326] Wed, 17 May 2006 16:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
Senior Member
Rob,

One more suggestion.

I noticed that the /INTAFFINITY switch sends all the interrupts to the second
processor. I notice you didn't say that this caused major issues, just that
you tried it "to no availe" which I assume means that it didn't hurt, it
just didn't solve the problem.

Check this out:
http://www.sybase.com/detail?id=1010600
And this:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/ all/proddocs/en-us/taskman_assign_process.mspx?mfr=true

I was thinking that maybe the reason /INTAFFINITY isn't working is that the
Paris application is getting loaded on the 1st CPU, whereas /INTAFFINITY
is sending the interrupts to the second CPU, hence you still get the issues.
I'm thinking that maybe, just maybe, if you can set the Paris application
to use the second CPU as well, that perhaps having the Paris app plus the
interrupts going to one CPU might fix it.

You may need to set the Schertzo driver to that CPU also using that tool,
though it sounds like you had trouble with that. I'd try it without first
and see.

The way I figure there are two possibilities as to what causes it. Either
all of Paris needs to be on one CPU all together including the app, plus
interrupts etc, or it's Paris and some components of the OS, in which case
it's all going to get more complex.

First thing I'd be doing is take every possible step to force Paris and all
it's related components on to a single CPU, which would require both /intaffinity
as well as setting the affinity of the Paris app. Indeed you may have to
set the affinity of some other components of Paris that I'm not aware of.

Just throwing some ideas up.

Cheers,
Kim.

"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>
>Thanks, Kim. I did check the whole thread. Here is what I've
>tried:
>
>I tried the "/intaffinity" switch in the boot.ini to no availe.
>I tried using the Interupt Affinity tool in win2003 resource kit.
>That tool actually prevented Paris from loading. I got an error
>on startup. I used it on the Schertzo driver. should I have
>used it elseware?
>The only thing that seems to work is the boot.ini switch
>"/onecpu". This even brought back my Waves pluggins for
>Samplitude.
>At this point in time, I will probably just dual boot, one with
>the /onecpu switch for when i need to do a lot of work in Paris,
>or Samplitude. Unfortunately, it's usually when I am using
>Samplitude that I have another task (CD duplication) running
>in the background. That's when the extra cpu works well. Oh
>well, it's only the Waves pluggins that seem to be affected
>with Samplitude. they're getting old anyway, new would probably
>sound better.
>
>If there are more suggestions out there, I'll try them.
>
>Rob
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>By the way, don't just check that one post... check the whole thread...
>>
>> http://news.parisnewsgroup.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?utag=&gr oup=IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS&xrelated=175456&cmd_related =Related+Items
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>>
>>"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>thanks, Kim. I'll research that a bit to see if I can figure out how to
>>implment
>>>that switch. I'll post to let you know if it worked.
>>>
>>>Rob
>>>
>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Did you check here:
>>>>
>>>> http://news.parisnewsgroup.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?cmd=article& amp;group=IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS&item=175456&utag=
>>>>
>>>>I think one of these switches is your best hope, though I haven't heard
>>>a
>>>>proper confirmation that it works.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Kim.
>>>>
>>>>"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>I've been looking back through earlier postings and found a bit
>>>>>of info on Dual Core processors. Someone mentioned problems with
>>>>>the C16 in particular. Since installing the dual core processor,
>>>>>I have had just such problems. The C16 will lock up, mouse
>>>>>functions still work and I can save a project, but I cannot play
>>>>>or move the "now line". Some times I have to restart Paris
>>>>>several times to get things working.
>>>>>
>>>>>Has anyone discovered any work arounds to the dual core problems?
>>>>>I hate to give up the dual core since it solved some other
>>>>>bottleneck problems I was having with other programs. Since
>>>>>installing the dual core processor, my old Waves pluggins stopped
>>>>>working in my Samplitude program as well!
>>>>>
>>>>>Any help out there?
>>>>>
>>>>>Rob
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Dual Core AMD woes [message #68334 is a reply to message #68332] Wed, 17 May 2006 16:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
Messages: 1988
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Don't forget the midi driver.
AA


"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:446bb0ec$1@linux...
>
>
> Rob,
>
> One more suggestion.
>
> I noticed that the /INTAFFINITY switch sends all the interrupts to the
> second
> processor. I notice you didn't say that this caused major issues, just
> that
> you tried it "to no availe" which I assume means that it didn't hurt, it
> just didn't solve the problem.
>
> Check this out:
> http://www.sybase.com/detail?id=1010600
> And this:
> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/ all/proddocs/en-us/taskman_assign_process.mspx?mfr=true
>
> I was thinking that maybe the reason /INTAFFINITY isn't working is that
> the
> Paris application is getting loaded on the 1st CPU, whereas /INTAFFINITY
> is sending the interrupts to the second CPU, hence you still get the
> issues.
> I'm thinking that maybe, just maybe, if you can set the Paris application
> to use the second CPU as well, that perhaps having the Paris app plus the
> interrupts going to one CPU might fix it.
>
> You may need to set the Schertzo driver to that CPU also using that tool,
> though it sounds like you had trouble with that. I'd try it without first
> and see.
>
> The way I figure there are two possibilities as to what causes it. Either
> all of Paris needs to be on one CPU all together including the app, plus
> interrupts etc, or it's Paris and some components of the OS, in which case
> it's all going to get more complex.
>
> First thing I'd be doing is take every possible step to force Paris and
> all
> it's related components on to a single CPU, which would require both
> /intaffinity
> as well as setting the affinity of the Paris app. Indeed you may have to
> set the affinity of some other components of Paris that I'm not aware of.
>
> Just throwing some ideas up.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>>
>>Thanks, Kim. I did check the whole thread. Here is what I've
>>tried:
>>
>>I tried the "/intaffinity" switch in the boot.ini to no availe.
>>I tried using the Interupt Affinity tool in win2003 resource kit.
>>That tool actually prevented Paris from loading. I got an error
>>on startup. I used it on the Schertzo driver. should I have
>>used it elseware?
>>The only thing that seems to work is the boot.ini switch
>>"/onecpu". This even brought back my Waves pluggins for
>>Samplitude.
>>At this point in time, I will probably just dual boot, one with
>>the /onecpu switch for when i need to do a lot of work in Paris,
>>or Samplitude. Unfortunately, it's usually when I am using
>>Samplitude that I have another task (CD duplication) running
>>in the background. That's when the extra cpu works well. Oh
>>well, it's only the Waves pluggins that seem to be affected
>>with Samplitude. they're getting old anyway, new would probably
>>sound better.
>>
>>If there are more suggestions out there, I'll try them.
>>
>>Rob
>>
>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>By the way, don't just check that one post... check the whole thread...
>>>
>>> http://news.parisnewsgroup.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?utag=&gr oup=IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS&xrelated=175456&cmd_related =Related+Items
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Kim.
>>>
>>>"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>thanks, Kim. I'll research that a bit to see if I can figure out how to
>>>implment
>>>>that switch. I'll post to let you know if it worked.
>>>>
>>>>Rob
>>>>
>>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Did you check here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://news.parisnewsgroup.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?cmd=article& amp;group=IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS&item=175456&utag=
>>>>>
>>>>>I think one of these switches is your best hope, though I haven't heard
>>>>a
>>>>>proper confirmation that it works.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>Kim.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've been looking back through earlier postings and found a bit
>>>>>>of info on Dual Core processors. Someone mentioned problems with
>>>>>>the C16 in particular. Since installing the dual core processor,
>>>>>>I have had just such problems. The C16 will lock up, mouse
>>>>>>functions still work and I can save a project, but I cannot play
>>>>>>or move the "now line". Some times I have to restart Paris
>>>>>>several times to get things working.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Has anyone discovered any work arounds to the dual core problems?
>>>>>>I hate to give up the dual core since it solved some other
>>>>>>bottleneck problems I was having with other programs. Since
>>>>>>installing the dual core processor, my old Waves pluggins stopped
>>>>>>working in my Samplitude program as well!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any help out there?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Rob
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>


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Re: Dual Core AMD woes [message #68433 is a reply to message #68332] Sat, 20 May 2006 19:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rob is currently offline  Rob   
Messages: 8
Registered: May 2006
Junior Member
Kim, been gone for a couple of days. I'll check these out and try what I
can. i'll let you know what I find. I did not try both the "intaffinity'
switch and assigning Paris to CPU 2. I did try both CPU 1 and CPU 2 with
the filter that the microsoft tools program provided. Neither CPU with the
filter installed allowed Paris to start. I'll keep trying.

Rob

"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Rob,
>
>One more suggestion.
>
>I noticed that the /INTAFFINITY switch sends all the interrupts to the second
>processor. I notice you didn't say that this caused major issues, just that
>you tried it "to no availe" which I assume means that it didn't hurt, it
>just didn't solve the problem.
>
>Check this out:
>http://www.sybase.com/detail?id=1010600
>And this:
> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/ all/proddocs/en-us/taskman_assign_process.mspx?mfr=true
>
>I was thinking that maybe the reason /INTAFFINITY isn't working is that
the
>Paris application is getting loaded on the 1st CPU, whereas /INTAFFINITY
>is sending the interrupts to the second CPU, hence you still get the issues.
>I'm thinking that maybe, just maybe, if you can set the Paris application
>to use the second CPU as well, that perhaps having the Paris app plus the
>interrupts going to one CPU might fix it.
>
>You may need to set the Schertzo driver to that CPU also using that tool,
>though it sounds like you had trouble with that. I'd try it without first
>and see.
>
>The way I figure there are two possibilities as to what causes it. Either
>all of Paris needs to be on one CPU all together including the app, plus
>interrupts etc, or it's Paris and some components of the OS, in which case
>it's all going to get more complex.
>
>First thing I'd be doing is take every possible step to force Paris and
all
>it's related components on to a single CPU, which would require both /intaffinity
>as well as setting the affinity of the Paris app. Indeed you may have to
>set the affinity of some other components of Paris that I'm not aware of.
>
>Just throwing some ideas up.
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>>
>>Thanks, Kim. I did check the whole thread. Here is what I've
>>tried:
>>
>>I tried the "/intaffinity" switch in the boot.ini to no availe.
>>I tried using the Interupt Affinity tool in win2003 resource kit.
>>That tool actually prevented Paris from loading. I got an error
>>on startup. I used it on the Schertzo driver. should I have
>>used it elseware?
>>The only thing that seems to work is the boot.ini switch
>>"/onecpu". This even brought back my Waves pluggins for
>>Samplitude.
>>At this point in time, I will probably just dual boot, one with
>>the /onecpu switch for when i need to do a lot of work in Paris,
>>or Samplitude. Unfortunately, it's usually when I am using
>>Samplitude that I have another task (CD duplication) running
>>in the background. That's when the extra cpu works well. Oh
>>well, it's only the Waves pluggins that seem to be affected
>>with Samplitude. they're getting old anyway, new would probably
>>sound better.
>>
>>If there are more suggestions out there, I'll try them.
>>
>>Rob
>>
>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>By the way, don't just check that one post... check the whole thread...
>>>
>>> http://news.parisnewsgroup.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?utag=&gr oup=IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS&xrelated=175456&cmd_related =Related+Items
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Kim.
>>>
>>>"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>thanks, Kim. I'll research that a bit to see if I can figure out how
to
>>>implment
>>>>that switch. I'll post to let you know if it worked.
>>>>
>>>>Rob
>>>>
>>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Did you check here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://news.parisnewsgroup.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?cmd=article& amp;group=IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS&item=175456&utag=
>>>>>
>>>>>I think one of these switches is your best hope, though I haven't heard
>>>>a
>>>>>proper confirmation that it works.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>Kim.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've been looking back through earlier postings and found a bit
>>>>>>of info on Dual Core processors. Someone mentioned problems with
>>>>>>the C16 in particular. Since installing the dual core processor,
>>>>>>I have had just such problems. The C16 will lock up, mouse
>>>>>>functions still work and I can save a project, but I cannot play
>>>>>>or move the "now line". Some times I have to restart Paris
>>>>>>several times to get things working.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Has anyone discovered any work arounds to the dual core problems?
>>>>>>I hate to give up the dual core since it solved some other
>>>>>>bottleneck problems I was having with other programs. Since
>>>>>>installing the dual core processor, my old Waves pluggins stopped
>>>>>>working in my Samplitude program as well!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any help out there?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Rob
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Dual Core AMD woes [message #68440 is a reply to message #68433] Sat, 20 May 2006 22:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rob is currently offline  Rob   
Messages: 8
Registered: May 2006
Junior Member
I have had some interesting results by applying affinity
parameters using task manager. I was able to get Paris to work
for quite some time while making a lot of changes using the C16
and the mouse. Usually that would lock things up. Also, I was
able to get Waves to work in Samplitude using this tool.
Unfortunately, I seem to have to use task manager to set affinity
each time I open the programs. I will investigate the info given
on the sybase web site about using imagecfg.exe.

HOWEVER - I attempted to set affinity using the microsoft
tool kit called intfltr.exe on the Paris MIDI driver that was
listed using this program. This is the same program I
unsuccessfully used to try to set affinity on the Scherzo driver.
Since that time, I have not been able to open Paris at all. It's
beginning to look like I will have to re-install Paris to get
things working again.

Rob

"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>
>Kim, been gone for a couple of days. I'll check these out and try what
I
>can. i'll let you know what I find. I did not try both the "intaffinity'
>switch and assigning Paris to CPU 2. I did try both CPU 1 and CPU 2 with
>the filter that the microsoft tools program provided. Neither CPU with
the
>filter installed allowed Paris to start. I'll keep trying.
>
>Rob
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Rob,
>>
>>One more suggestion.
>>
>>I noticed that the /INTAFFINITY switch sends all the interrupts to the
second
>>processor. I notice you didn't say that this caused major issues, just
that
>>you tried it "to no availe" which I assume means that it didn't hurt, it
>>just didn't solve the problem.
>>
>>Check this out:
>>http://www.sybase.com/detail?id=1010600
>>And this:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/ all/proddocs/en-us/taskman_assign_process.mspx?mfr=true
>>
>>I was thinking that maybe the reason /INTAFFINITY isn't working is that
>the
>>Paris application is getting loaded on the 1st CPU, whereas /INTAFFINITY
>>is sending the interrupts to the second CPU, hence you still get the issues.
>>I'm thinking that maybe, just maybe, if you can set the Paris application
>>to use the second CPU as well, that perhaps having the Paris app plus the
>>interrupts going to one CPU might fix it.
>>
>>You may need to set the Schertzo driver to that CPU also using that tool,
>>though it sounds like you had trouble with that. I'd try it without first
>>and see.
>>
>>The way I figure there are two possibilities as to what causes it. Either
>>all of Paris needs to be on one CPU all together including the app, plus
>>interrupts etc, or it's Paris and some components of the OS, in which case
>>it's all going to get more complex.
>>
>>First thing I'd be doing is take every possible step to force Paris and
>all
>>it's related components on to a single CPU, which would require both /intaffinity
>>as well as setting the affinity of the Paris app. Indeed you may have to
>>set the affinity of some other components of Paris that I'm not aware of.
>>
>>Just throwing some ideas up.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>>
>>"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Thanks, Kim. I did check the whole thread. Here is what I've
>>>tried:
>>>
>>>I tried the "/intaffinity" switch in the boot.ini to no availe.
>>>I tried using the Interupt Affinity tool in win2003 resource kit.
>>>That tool actually prevented Paris from loading. I got an error
>>>on startup. I used it on the Schertzo driver. should I have
>>>used it elseware?
>>>The only thing that seems to work is the boot.ini switch
>>>"/onecpu". This even brought back my Waves pluggins for
>>>Samplitude.
>>>At this point in time, I will probably just dual boot, one with
>>>the /onecpu switch for when i need to do a lot of work in Paris,
>>>or Samplitude. Unfortunately, it's usually when I am using
>>>Samplitude that I have another task (CD duplication) running
>>>in the background. That's when the extra cpu works well. Oh
>>>well, it's only the Waves pluggins that seem to be affected
>>>with Samplitude. they're getting old anyway, new would probably
>>>sound better.
>>>
>>>If there are more suggestions out there, I'll try them.
>>>
>>>Rob
>>>
>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>By the way, don't just check that one post... check the whole thread...
>>>>
>>>> http://news.parisnewsgroup.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?utag=&gr oup=IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS&xrelated=175456&cmd_related =Related+Items
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Kim.
>>>>
>>>>"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>thanks, Kim. I'll research that a bit to see if I can figure out how
>to
>>>>implment
>>>>>that switch. I'll post to let you know if it worked.
>>>>>
>>>>>Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Did you check here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://news.parisnewsgroup.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?cmd=article& amp;group=IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS&item=175456&utag=
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think one of these switches is your best hope, though I haven't heard
>>>>>a
>>>>>>proper confirmation that it works.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>Kim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've been looking back through earlier postings and found a bit
>>>>>>>of info on Dual Core processors. Someone mentioned problems with
>>>>>>>the C16 in particular. Since installing the dual core processor,
>>>>>>>I have had just such problems. The C16 will lock up, mouse
>>>>>>>functions still work and I can save a project, but I cannot play
>>>>>>>or move the "now line". Some times I have to restart Paris
>>>>>>>several times to get things working.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Has anyone discovered any work arounds to the dual core problems?
>>>>>>>I hate to give up the dual core since it solved some other
>>>>>>>bottleneck problems I was having with other programs. Since
>>>>>>>installing the dual core processor, my old Waves pluggins stopped
>>>>>>>working in my Samplitude program as well!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any help out there?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Rob
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Dual Core AMD woes [message #75067 is a reply to message #68312] Sat, 28 October 2006 19:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MikeP is currently offline  MikeP
Messages: 37
Registered: October 2006
Member
Did you get it run properly, I had the same problems, they were coming from
the video card IRQ on the same channel as the Scherzo.


"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>
>I've been looking back through earlier postings and found a bit
>of info on Dual Core processors. Someone mentioned problems with
>the C16 in particular. Since installing the dual core processor,
>I have had just such problems. The C16 will lock up, mouse
>functions still work and I can save a project, but I cannot play
>or move the "now line". Some times I have to restart Paris
>several times to get things working.
>
>Has anyone discovered any work arounds to the dual core problems?
>I hate to give up the dual core since it solved some other
>bottleneck problems I was having with other programs. Since
>installing the dual core processor, my old Waves pluggins stopped
>working in my Samplitude program as well!
>
>Any help out there?
>
>Rob
Re: Dual Core AMD woes [message #75085 is a reply to message #75067] Sun, 29 October 2006 00:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nappy is currently offline  Nappy
Messages: 198
Registered: September 2006
Senior Member
Mike,
Does this mean that you have PARIS working on a Dual core system?
What Mobo? I remember Edmund saying that PARIS is Multi- threaded.
So in theory,as he said "It should just work" with Multi-processors.
I'd like to move my PARIS system to a Dualcore PC.

respect
Nappy

"Mike P" <mikep@4hometown.com> wrote:
>
>Did you get it run properly, I had the same problems, they were coming from
>the video card IRQ on the same channel as the Scherzo.
>
>
>"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>>
>>I've been looking back through earlier postings and found a bit
>>of info on Dual Core processors. Someone mentioned problems with
>>the C16 in particular. Since installing the dual core processor,
>>I have had just such problems. The C16 will lock up, mouse
>>functions still work and I can save a project, but I cannot play
>>or move the "now line". Some times I have to restart Paris
>>several times to get things working.
>>
>>Has anyone discovered any work arounds to the dual core problems?
>>I hate to give up the dual core since it solved some other
>>bottleneck problems I was having with other programs. Since
>>installing the dual core processor, my old Waves pluggins stopped
>>working in my Samplitude program as well!
>>
>>Any help out there?
>>
>>Rob
>
Re: Dual Core AMD woes [message #75088 is a reply to message #75085] Sun, 29 October 2006 05:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MikeP is currently offline  MikeP
Messages: 37
Registered: October 2006
Member
I don't know what mobo, but it is an HP 1540n with an AMD X2 2.2 and 2 gig
of DDRS2 ram. Yes it works, but I am having problems with smoothing out the
glitches.


"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Mike,
>Does this mean that you have PARIS working on a Dual core system?
>What Mobo? I remember Edmund saying that PARIS is Multi- threaded.
>So in theory,as he said "It should just work" with Multi-processors.
>I'd like to move my PARIS system to a Dualcore PC.
>
>respect
>Nappy
>
>"Mike P" <mikep@4hometown.com> wrote:
>>
>>Did you get it run properly, I had the same problems, they were coming
from
>>the video card IRQ on the same channel as the Scherzo.
>>
>>
>>"Rob" <rob@westfieldorgan.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I've been looking back through earlier postings and found a bit
>>>of info on Dual Core processors. Someone mentioned problems with
>>>the C16 in particular. Since installing the dual core processor,
>>>I have had just such problems. The C16 will lock up, mouse
>>>functions still work and I can save a project, but I cannot play
>>>or move the "now line". Some times I have to restart Paris
>>>several times to get things working.
>>>
>>>Has anyone discovered any work arounds to the dual core problems?
>>>I hate to give up the dual core since it solved some other
>>>bottleneck problems I was having with other programs. Since
>>>installing the dual core processor, my old Waves pluggins stopped
>>>working in my Samplitude program as well!
>>>
>>>Any help out there?
>>>
>>>Rob
>>
>
Re: Dual Core AMD woes [message #75092 is a reply to message #75088] Sun, 29 October 2006 08:27 Go to previous message
John [1] is currently offline  John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
Senior Member
I tracked down your HP motherboard and spent 30 minutes in chat with stupid
(fucking stupid) HP support and they don't know shit.

You can be pretty sure that slot 1 is sharing with video and screwing you
up. I would get rid of that PC, get a motherboard where you KNOW what slots
share what IRQs (My ASUS MX800 manual was wrong and had them reversed, arggghhh)
and then you will be golden. Otherwise I think you probably have an IRQ
conflict and will continue crashing.

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/prodinfoCategory?lc=en&am p;cc=us&dlc=en&product=3184140&lang=en

Motherboard manufacturer's name: ASUS A8M2N-LA
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