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| Voting for dummies [message #75529] |
Tue, 07 November 2006 05:51  |
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John [1]
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Ok, so I come to work and a coworker asks me if I'm going to vote.
I say "NO", there's nobody that meets my criteria for my vote.
Then I ask if they know who they are going to vote for and they say "Not
yet but I will when I get to the polls".
hmm, brilliant !!!! I'm sure the next hour is plenty of time to learn all
you need about who you are voting for.
ARGHHHHHHHHHH !!!!
Vote for me! I'm a pretty color !!!
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| Re: Voting for dummies [message #75542 is a reply to message #75530] |
Tue, 07 November 2006 10:21  |
Dubya Mark Wilson
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I don't see where your herein-written plan to not vote is going to lead to
the things you say you want written.
Maybe it's just my twisted perception, but I think that in more than one
way, you just voted for exactly what you don't want.
W.
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4550876f$1@linux...
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> Oh, and in case anyone is wondering, my criteria is that they have to have
> a written plan with details of what they will commit to doing if they are
> elected with timelines, budgets and where the money is coming from.
> Easy,
> huh !!
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
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>>Ok, so I come to work and a coworker asks me if I'm going to vote.
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>>I say "NO", there's nobody that meets my criteria for my vote.
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>>Then I ask if they know who they are going to vote for and they say "Not
>>yet but I will when I get to the polls".
>>
>>hmm, brilliant !!!! I'm sure the next hour is plenty of time to learn
> all
>>you need about who you are voting for.
>>
>>ARGHHHHHHHHHH !!!!
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>>Vote for me! I'm a pretty color !!!
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| Re: Voting for dummies [message #75553 is a reply to message #75551] |
Tue, 07 November 2006 12:25 |
Carl Amburn
Messages: 214
Registered: July 2005
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Well, I suppose that's your right - however, everyone that does vote won't
respect your opinion - and you really shouldn't argue about how bad or good
things go - if you don't concern yourself to participate, then don't bitch.
C'mon John... you gotta do better than that. At *least* I did what I'm able
to do today.
Now, I should say, that I agree with you, in that these are times that lack
leadership with true inspiration and vision. And, if you are planning or
going to run for elected office - then I owe you much kudos - BUT, if you're
just doing *nothing* but bitching.... then.... boo. You'll lose no matter
what.
The polls are still open - you still have time man... !!! Do it!!! C'mon
man! :)
peace,
-Carl
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4550e4be$1@linux...
> fat chance
>
> Carl Amburn wrote:
> > I think that if you didn't vote - then you just need to shut your mouth.
:)
> >
> > -Carl
> >
> > "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:stl1l2d5uubi8k8flvful5vvtcjsmb7er8@4ax.com...
> >> i vote so later i can bitch about the idiots i didn't help get
> >> elected...it's worked like a charm so far.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7 Nov 2006 23:51:27 +1000, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ok, so I come to work and a coworker asks me if I'm going to vote.
> >>>
> >>> I say "NO", there's nobody that meets my criteria for my vote.
> >>>
> >>> Then I ask if they know who they are going to vote for and they say
"Not
> >>> yet but I will when I get to the polls".
> >>>
> >>> hmm, brilliant !!!! I'm sure the next hour is plenty of time to
learn
> > all
> >>> you need about who you are voting for.
> >>>
> >>> ARGHHHHHHHHHH !!!!
> >>>
> >>> Vote for me! I'm a pretty color !!!
> >
> >
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| Re: Voting for dummies [message #75557 is a reply to message #75553] |
Tue, 07 November 2006 13:43 |
steve the artguy
Messages: 308
Registered: June 2005
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Ok, John. Here's the problem.
I kinda agree with you on some level. If I'm given a choice of two idiots,
and told that if I don't vote for one of them, then I am somehow a civic
failure, well, that doesn't cut it.
The problem is that you're not helping. It's like someone gives you a menu
of two foods you don't like, so you refuse to eat at all. The folks happily
eating crap aren't phased at all. The only person who gets starved is you.
Ha ha. Boy, you sure showed them!
What's needed? Real food! If there's none out there to choose, grow some
of your own! Cook it yourself!
Get my analogy? The whole "If you don't vote you can't compain" is as lame
as saying,"If you don't wear a bullet-proof vest every waking hour and then
get shot and injured, you can't complain."
You shouldn't have to wear a bullet proof suit! you shouldn't have to vote
for idiots!
But the solution requires a lot, a WHOLE lot, more than just emerging from
your political groundhog hoe every two years to see if it's raining idiots
or not.
If no one has a plan you can endorse, find likeminded people and come up
with one yourself! Then find someone who will follow it! if you can't find
someone, well, how about doing it yourself!
So, what causes have inspired you to take political action? None?
Here's the answer to those who say if you don't vote you can't complain.
You can complain. But if you do NOTHING BUT COMPLAIN, well, then, you can't
complain...!
You can, however, drink. It is still a free...to drink...country...
-steve
"Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>Well, I suppose that's your right - however, everyone that does vote won't
>respect your opinion - and you really shouldn't argue about how bad or good
>things go - if you don't concern yourself to participate, then don't bitch.
>C'mon John... you gotta do better than that. At *least* I did what I'm able
>to do today.
>
>Now, I should say, that I agree with you, in that these are times that lack
>leadership with true inspiration and vision. And, if you are planning or
>going to run for elected office - then I owe you much kudos - BUT, if you're
>just doing *nothing* but bitching.... then.... boo. You'll lose no matter
>what.
>
>The polls are still open - you still have time man... !!! Do it!!! C'mon
>man! :)
>
>peace,
>-Carl
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4550e4be$1@linux...
>> fat chance
>>
>> Carl Amburn wrote:
>> > I think that if you didn't vote - then you just need to shut your mouth.
>:)
>> >
>> > -Carl
>> >
>> > "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:stl1l2d5uubi8k8flvful5vvtcjsmb7er8@4ax.com...
>> >> i vote so later i can bitch about the idiots i didn't help get
>> >> elected...it's worked like a charm so far.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 7 Nov 2006 23:51:27 +1000, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Ok, so I come to work and a coworker asks me if I'm going to vote.
>> >>>
>> >>> I say "NO", there's nobody that meets my criteria for my vote.
>> >>>
>> >>> Then I ask if they know who they are going to vote for and they say
>"Not
>> >>> yet but I will when I get to the polls".
>> >>>
>> >>> hmm, brilliant !!!! I'm sure the next hour is plenty of time to
>learn
>> > all
>> >>> you need about who you are voting for.
>> >>>
>> >>> ARGHHHHHHHHHH !!!!
>> >>>
>> >>> Vote for me! I'm a pretty color !!!
>> >
>> >
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| Re: Voting for dummies [message #75562 is a reply to message #75557] |
Tue, 07 November 2006 14:26 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Though I've really had it with nearly all politicians, I
went ahead & voted anyway... they all sucked, but I tried to
vote for the least-suckiest.
Maybe we'll all get lucky & our congress & individual local
governments will suck perhaps 1% less than they do now.
1%'s better than nothing.
Neil
"steve the artguy" <artguy@somethingorother.net> wrote:
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>Ok, John. Here's the problem.
>
>I kinda agree with you on some level. If I'm given a choice of two idiots,
>and told that if I don't vote for one of them, then I am somehow a civic
>failure, well, that doesn't cut it.
>
>The problem is that you're not helping. It's like someone gives you a menu
>of two foods you don't like, so you refuse to eat at all. The folks happily
>eating crap aren't phased at all. The only person who gets starved is you.
>Ha ha. Boy, you sure showed them!
>
>What's needed? Real food! If there's none out there to choose, grow some
>of your own! Cook it yourself!
>
>Get my analogy? The whole "If you don't vote you can't compain" is as lame
>as saying,"If you don't wear a bullet-proof vest every waking hour and then
>get shot and injured, you can't complain."
>
>You shouldn't have to wear a bullet proof suit! you shouldn't have to vote
>for idiots!
>
>But the solution requires a lot, a WHOLE lot, more than just emerging from
>your political groundhog hoe every two years to see if it's raining idiots
>or not.
>
>If no one has a plan you can endorse, find likeminded people and come up
>with one yourself! Then find someone who will follow it! if you can't find
>someone, well, how about doing it yourself!
>
>So, what causes have inspired you to take political action? None?
>
>Here's the answer to those who say if you don't vote you can't complain.
>You can complain. But if you do NOTHING BUT COMPLAIN, well, then, you can't
>complain...!
>
>You can, however, drink. It is still a free...to drink...country...
>
>-steve
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>"Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>Well, I suppose that's your right - however, everyone that does vote won't
>>respect your opinion - and you really shouldn't argue about how bad or
good
>>things go - if you don't concern yourself to participate, then don't bitch.
>>C'mon John... you gotta do better than that. At *least* I did what I'm
able
>>to do today.
>>
>>Now, I should say, that I agree with you, in that these are times that
lack
>>leadership with true inspiration and vision. And, if you are planning or
>>going to run for elected office - then I owe you much kudos - BUT, if you're
>>just doing *nothing* but bitching.... then.... boo. You'll lose no matter
>>what.
>>
>>The polls are still open - you still have time man... !!! Do it!!! C'mon
>>man! :)
>>
>>peace,
>>-Carl
>>
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4550e4be$1@linux...
>>> fat chance
>>>
>>> Carl Amburn wrote:
>>> > I think that if you didn't vote - then you just need to shut your mouth.
>>:)
>>> >
>>> > -Carl
>>> >
>>> > "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:stl1l2d5uubi8k8flvful5vvtcjsmb7er8@4ax.com...
>>> >> i vote so later i can bitch about the idiots i didn't help get
>>> >> elected...it's worked like a charm so far.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 7 Nov 2006 23:51:27 +1000, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Ok, so I come to work and a coworker asks me if I'm going to vote.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I say "NO", there's nobody that meets my criteria for my vote.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Then I ask if they know who they are going to vote for and they say
>>"Not
>>> >>> yet but I will when I get to the polls".
>>> >>>
>>> >>> hmm, brilliant !!!! I'm sure the next hour is plenty of time to
>>learn
>>> > all
>>> >>> you need about who you are voting for.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ARGHHHHHHHHHH !!!!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Vote for me! I'm a pretty color !!!
>>> >
>>> >
>>
>>
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| Re: Voting for dummies [message #75564 is a reply to message #75557] |
Tue, 07 November 2006 13:43 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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I'm not complaining. I'm just not finding any reason to vote. I'm a
man of reason, not a sheep. If a politician can clearly tell me why I
should vote for them I will be glad to listen to them.
I find that politicians think of this as a game and not truly affecting
peoples lives. I hate it when people vote for their own special
interests. I will never do that. Whenever I vote it will be because
the issues are the best for everyone.
I often recommend cutting government programs and people say "But you
work for government, your job could be cut" and I say "Good !".
John
steve the artguy wrote:
> Ok, John. Here's the problem.
>
> I kinda agree with you on some level. If I'm given a choice of two idiots,
> and told that if I don't vote for one of them, then I am somehow a civic
> failure, well, that doesn't cut it.
>
> The problem is that you're not helping. It's like someone gives you a menu
> of two foods you don't like, so you refuse to eat at all. The folks happily
> eating crap aren't phased at all. The only person who gets starved is you.
> Ha ha. Boy, you sure showed them!
>
> What's needed? Real food! If there's none out there to choose, grow some
> of your own! Cook it yourself!
>
> Get my analogy? The whole "If you don't vote you can't compain" is as lame
> as saying,"If you don't wear a bullet-proof vest every waking hour and then
> get shot and injured, you can't complain."
>
> You shouldn't have to wear a bullet proof suit! you shouldn't have to vote
> for idiots!
>
> But the solution requires a lot, a WHOLE lot, more than just emerging from
> your political groundhog hoe every two years to see if it's raining idiots
> or not.
>
> If no one has a plan you can endorse, find likeminded people and come up
> with one yourself! Then find someone who will follow it! if you can't find
> someone, well, how about doing it yourself!
>
> So, what causes have inspired you to take political action? None?
>
> Here's the answer to those who say if you don't vote you can't complain.
> You can complain. But if you do NOTHING BUT COMPLAIN, well, then, you can't
> complain...!
>
> You can, however, drink. It is still a free...to drink...country...
>
> -steve
>
>
>
>
>
> "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, I suppose that's your right - however, everyone that does vote won't
>> respect your opinion - and you really shouldn't argue about how bad or good
>> things go - if you don't concern yourself to participate, then don't bitch.
>> C'mon John... you gotta do better than that. At *least* I did what I'm able
>> to do today.
>>
>> Now, I should say, that I agree with you, in that these are times that lack
>> leadership with true inspiration and vision. And, if you are planning or
>> going to run for elected office - then I owe you much kudos - BUT, if you're
>> just doing *nothing* but bitching.... then.... boo. You'll lose no matter
>> what.
>>
>> The polls are still open - you still have time man... !!! Do it!!! C'mon
>> man! :)
>>
>> peace,
>> -Carl
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4550e4be$1@linux...
>>> fat chance
>>>
>>> Carl Amburn wrote:
>>>> I think that if you didn't vote - then you just need to shut your mouth.
>> :)
>>>> -Carl
>>>>
>>>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:stl1l2d5uubi8k8flvful5vvtcjsmb7er8@4ax.com...
>>>>> i vote so later i can bitch about the idiots i didn't help get
>>>>> elected...it's worked like a charm so far.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7 Nov 2006 23:51:27 +1000, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, so I come to work and a coworker asks me if I'm going to vote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I say "NO", there's nobody that meets my criteria for my vote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then I ask if they know who they are going to vote for and they say
>> "Not
>>>>>> yet but I will when I get to the polls".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hmm, brilliant !!!! I'm sure the next hour is plenty of time to
>> learn
>>>> all
>>>>>> you need about who you are voting for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ARGHHHHHHHHHH !!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vote for me! I'm a pretty color !!!
>>>>
>>
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| Re: Voting for dummies [message #75566 is a reply to message #75564] |
Tue, 07 November 2006 14:08 |
Carl Amburn
Messages: 214
Registered: July 2005
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John, it's really disappointing to know that people who actually use reason,
such as yourself, (instead of fear) aren't going to vote.
-Carl
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4550fbb0$1@linux...
> I'm not complaining. I'm just not finding any reason to vote. I'm a
> man of reason, not a sheep. If a politician can clearly tell me why I
> should vote for them I will be glad to listen to them.
>
> I find that politicians think of this as a game and not truly affecting
> peoples lives. I hate it when people vote for their own special
> interests. I will never do that. Whenever I vote it will be because
> the issues are the best for everyone.
>
> I often recommend cutting government programs and people say "But you
> work for government, your job could be cut" and I say "Good !".
>
> John
>
> steve the artguy wrote:
> > Ok, John. Here's the problem.
> >
> > I kinda agree with you on some level. If I'm given a choice of two
idiots,
> > and told that if I don't vote for one of them, then I am somehow a civic
> > failure, well, that doesn't cut it.
> >
> > The problem is that you're not helping. It's like someone gives you a
menu
> > of two foods you don't like, so you refuse to eat at all. The folks
happily
> > eating crap aren't phased at all. The only person who gets starved is
you.
> > Ha ha. Boy, you sure showed them!
> >
> > What's needed? Real food! If there's none out there to choose, grow some
> > of your own! Cook it yourself!
> >
> > Get my analogy? The whole "If you don't vote you can't compain" is as
lame
> > as saying,"If you don't wear a bullet-proof vest every waking hour and
then
> > get shot and injured, you can't complain."
> >
> > You shouldn't have to wear a bullet proof suit! you shouldn't have to
vote
> > for idiots!
> >
> > But the solution requires a lot, a WHOLE lot, more than just emerging
from
> > your political groundhog hoe every two years to see if it's raining
idiots
> > or not.
> >
> > If no one has a plan you can endorse, find likeminded people and come up
> > with one yourself! Then find someone who will follow it! if you can't
find
> > someone, well, how about doing it yourself!
> >
> > So, what causes have inspired you to take political action? None?
> >
> > Here's the answer to those who say if you don't vote you can't complain.
> > You can complain. But if you do NOTHING BUT COMPLAIN, well, then, you
can't
> > complain...!
> >
> > You can, however, drink. It is still a free...to drink...country...
> >
> > -steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
> >> Well, I suppose that's your right - however, everyone that does vote
won't
> >> respect your opinion - and you really shouldn't argue about how bad or
good
> >> things go - if you don't concern yourself to participate, then don't
bitch.
> >> C'mon John... you gotta do better than that. At *least* I did what I'm
able
> >> to do today.
> >>
> >> Now, I should say, that I agree with you, in that these are times that
lack
> >> leadership with true inspiration and vision. And, if you are planning
or
> >> going to run for elected office - then I owe you much kudos - BUT, if
you're
> >> just doing *nothing* but bitching.... then.... boo. You'll lose no
matter
> >> what.
> >>
> >> The polls are still open - you still have time man... !!! Do it!!!
C'mon
> >> man! :)
> >>
> >> peace,
> >> -Carl
> >>
> >> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4550e4be$1@linux...
> >>> fat chance
> >>>
> >>> Carl Amburn wrote:
> >>>> I think that if you didn't vote - then you just need to shut your
mouth.
> >> :)
> >>>> -Carl
> >>>>
> >>>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:stl1l2d5uubi8k8flvful5vvtcjsmb7er8@4ax.com...
> >>>>> i vote so later i can bitch about the idiots i didn't help get
> >>>>> elected...it's worked like a charm so far.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 7 Nov 2006 23:51:27 +1000, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Ok, so I come to work and a coworker asks me if I'm going to vote.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I say "NO", there's nobody that meets my criteria for my vote.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Then I ask if they know who they are going to vote for and they say
> >> "Not
> >>>>>> yet but I will when I get to the polls".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> hmm, brilliant !!!! I'm sure the next hour is plenty of time to
> >> learn
> >>>> all
> >>>>>> you need about who you are voting for.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ARGHHHHHHHHHH !!!!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Vote for me! I'm a pretty color !!!
> >>>>
> >>
> >
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| Re: Voting for dummies [message #75575 is a reply to message #75529] |
Tue, 07 November 2006 18:36 |
duncan
Messages: 123
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Then there's this --
W.C. Fields said, "I never vote for anyone. I always vote against."
Funny, but practical too -- if he supports the mediocre guy in
preference to the truly horrible guy, he moves things an increment in
the direction he prefers... and maybe, by helping to keep the truly
horrible guy from gaining power, he's helping to prevent some kind of
unforeseen disaster that really would *not* have been funny...
Somebody else said something like: "the perfect is the enemy of the
good" -- which also applies: you can miss a lot of possibly useful
choices while waiting for the perfect one to fall in your lap.
-- holding my nose and voting tonight, as usual -- Chas.
On 7 Nov 2006 23:51:27 +1000, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
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>Ok, so I come to work and a coworker asks me if I'm going to vote.
>
>I say "NO", there's nobody that meets my criteria for my vote.
>
>Then I ask if they know who they are going to vote for and they say "Not
>yet but I will when I get to the polls".
>
>hmm, brilliant !!!! I'm sure the next hour is plenty of time to learn all
>you need about who you are voting for.
>
>ARGHHHHHHHHHH !!!!
>
>Vote for me! I'm a pretty color !!!
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| Re: Voting for dummies [message #75590 is a reply to message #75566] |
Wed, 08 November 2006 04:12 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Yeah but don't be disappointed in me, be disappointed in the politicians
that expect me to vote for them because they have a pretty color and
not because they stand for anything.
John
Carl Amburn wrote:
> John, it's really disappointing to know that people who actually use reason,
> such as yourself, (instead of fear) aren't going to vote.
>
> -Carl
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4550fbb0$1@linux...
>> I'm not complaining. I'm just not finding any reason to vote. I'm a
>> man of reason, not a sheep. If a politician can clearly tell me why I
>> should vote for them I will be glad to listen to them.
>>
>> I find that politicians think of this as a game and not truly affecting
>> peoples lives. I hate it when people vote for their own special
>> interests. I will never do that. Whenever I vote it will be because
>> the issues are the best for everyone.
>>
>> I often recommend cutting government programs and people say "But you
>> work for government, your job could be cut" and I say "Good !".
>>
>> John
>>
>> steve the artguy wrote:
>>> Ok, John. Here's the problem.
>>>
>>> I kinda agree with you on some level. If I'm given a choice of two
> idiots,
>>> and told that if I don't vote for one of them, then I am somehow a civic
>>> failure, well, that doesn't cut it.
>>>
>>> The problem is that you're not helping. It's like someone gives you a
> menu
>>> of two foods you don't like, so you refuse to eat at all. The folks
> happily
>>> eating crap aren't phased at all. The only person who gets starved is
> you.
>>> Ha ha. Boy, you sure showed them!
>>>
>>> What's needed? Real food! If there's none out there to choose, grow some
>>> of your own! Cook it yourself!
>>>
>>> Get my analogy? The whole "If you don't vote you can't compain" is as
> lame
>>> as saying,"If you don't wear a bullet-proof vest every waking hour and
> then
>>> get shot and injured, you can't complain."
>>>
>>> You shouldn't have to wear a bullet proof suit! you shouldn't have to
> vote
>>> for idiots!
>>>
>>> But the solution requires a lot, a WHOLE lot, more than just emerging
> from
>>> your political groundhog hoe every two years to see if it's raining
> idiots
>>> or not.
>>>
>>> If no one has a plan you can endorse, find likeminded people and come up
>>> with one yourself! Then find someone who will follow it! if you can't
> find
>>> someone, well, how about doing it yourself!
>>>
>>> So, what causes have inspired you to take political action? None?
>>>
>>> Here's the answer to those who say if you don't vote you can't complain.
>>> You can complain. But if you do NOTHING BUT COMPLAIN, well, then, you
> can't
>>> complain...!
>>>
>>> You can, however, drink. It is still a free...to drink...country...
>>>
>>> -steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Well, I suppose that's your right - however, everyone that does vote
> won't
>>>> respect your opinion - and you really shouldn't argue about how bad or
> good
>>>> things go - if you don't concern yourself to participate, then don't
> bitch.
>>>> C'mon John... you gotta do better than that. At *least* I did what I'm
> able
>>>> to do today.
>>>>
>>>> Now, I should say, that I agree with you, in that these are times that
> lack
>>>> leadership with true inspiration and vision. And, if you are planning
> or
>>>> going to run for elected office - then I owe you much kudos - BUT, if
> you're
>>>> just doing *nothing* but bitching.... then.... boo. You'll lose no
> matter
>>>> what.
>>>>
>>>> The polls are still open - you still have time man... !!! Do it!!!
> C'mon
>>>> man! :)
>>>>
>>>> peace,
>>>> -Carl
>>>>
>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4550e4be$1@linux...
>>>>> fat chance
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl Amburn wrote:
>>>>>> I think that if you didn't vote - then you just need to shut your
> mouth.
>>>> :)
>>>>>> -Carl
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:stl1l2d5uubi8k8flvful5vvtcjsmb7er8@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> i vote so later i can bitch about the idiots i didn't help get
>>>>>>> elected...it's worked like a charm so far.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7 Nov 2006 23:51:27 +1000, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok, so I come to work and a coworker asks me if I'm going to vote.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I say "NO", there's nobody that meets my criteria for my vote.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then I ask if they know who they are going to vote for and they say
>>>> "Not
>>>>>>>> yet but I will when I get to the polls".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hmm, brilliant !!!! I'm sure the next hour is plenty of time to
>>>> learn
>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> you need about who you are voting for.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ARGHHHHHHHHHH !!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vote for me! I'm a pretty color !!!
>
>
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| Re: Voting for dummies [message #75623 is a reply to message #75590] |
Wed, 08 November 2006 09:39 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
I'm disappointed in both attitudes. It's disappointingly easy to justify
dumbing down messages for the electorate because political consultants
have found a measure of success doing exactly that. Which means the
electorate has failed to be as discerning as you are in that regard.
OTOH, politics in the USA is a participatory system. Sitting back and
grousing about the failures of others is a weak form of participation.
Stronger opportunities exist, including:
-Direct correspondence and personal contact with candidates (where you
can ask for their stands and plans and discuss your perspectives). Many
candidates seek this out, they want your vote, and actively look for
input from voters and opportunities to explain their outlooks.
-Membership in a political party of any stripe where you can influence
policy platforms.
-Letters to the editor in local papers.
-Support for any candidates who do live up to your standards by
volunteering or donating.
-Running for office yourself.
-Finding an issue that matters to you and advocating your own action
plan with elected officials.
-Joining or starting organizations that advocate action on one or more
issues you care about. You could, for example, start crusading for an
actual "none of the above" option on the ballot. Which is, BTW, a great
idea.
Those and a myriad of other options exist.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
John wrote:
> Yeah but don't be disappointed in me, be disappointed in the politicians
> that expect me to vote for them because they have a pretty color and
> not because they stand for anything.
>
> John
>
> Carl Amburn wrote:
>> John, it's really disappointing to know that people who actually use
>> reason,
>> such as yourself, (instead of fear) aren't going to vote.
>>
>> -Carl
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4550fbb0$1@linux...
>>> I'm not complaining. I'm just not finding any reason to vote. I'm a
>>> man of reason, not a sheep. If a politician can clearly tell me why I
>>> should vote for them I will be glad to listen to them.
>>>
>>> I find that politicians think of this as a game and not truly affecting
>>> peoples lives. I hate it when people vote for their own special
>>> interests. I will never do that. Whenever I vote it will be because
>>> the issues are the best for everyone.
>>>
>>> I often recommend cutting government programs and people say "But you
>>> work for government, your job could be cut" and I say "Good !".
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> steve the artguy wrote:
>>>> Ok, John. Here's the problem.
>>>>
>>>> I kinda agree with you on some level. If I'm given a choice of two
>> idiots,
>>>> and told that if I don't vote for one of them, then I am somehow a
>>>> civic
>>>> failure, well, that doesn't cut it.
>>>>
>>>> The problem is that you're not helping. It's like someone gives you a
>> menu
>>>> of two foods you don't like, so you refuse to eat at all. The folks
>> happily
>>>> eating crap aren't phased at all. The only person who gets starved is
>> you.
>>>> Ha ha. Boy, you sure showed them!
>>>>
>>>> What's needed? Real food! If there's none out there to choose, grow
>>>> some
>>>> of your own! Cook it yourself!
>>>>
>>>> Get my analogy? The whole "If you don't vote you can't compain" is as
>> lame
>>>> as saying,"If you don't wear a bullet-proof vest every waking hour and
>> then
>>>> get shot and injured, you can't complain."
>>>>
>>>> You shouldn't have to wear a bullet proof suit! you shouldn't have to
>> vote
>>>> for idiots!
>>>>
>>>> But the solution requires a lot, a WHOLE lot, more than just emerging
>> from
>>>> your political groundhog hoe every two years to see if it's raining
>> idiots
>>>> or not.
>>>>
>>>> If no one has a plan you can endorse, find likeminded people and
>>>> come up
>>>> with one yourself! Then find someone who will follow it! if you can't
>> find
>>>> someone, well, how about doing it yourself!
>>>>
>>>> So, what causes have inspired you to take political action? None?
>>>>
>>>> Here's the answer to those who say if you don't vote you can't
>>>> complain.
>>>> You can complain. But if you do NOTHING BUT COMPLAIN, well, then, you
>> can't
>>>> complain...!
>>>>
>>>> You can, however, drink. It is still a free...to drink...country...
>>>>
>>>> -steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Well, I suppose that's your right - however, everyone that does vote
>> won't
>>>>> respect your opinion - and you really shouldn't argue about how bad or
>> good
>>>>> things go - if you don't concern yourself to participate, then don't
>> bitch.
>>>>> C'mon John... you gotta do better than that. At *least* I did what I'm
>> able
>>>>> to do today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, I should say, that I agree with you, in that these are times that
>> lack
>>>>> leadership with true inspiration and vision. And, if you are planning
>> or
>>>>> going to run for elected office - then I owe you much kudos - BUT, if
>> you're
>>>>> just doing *nothing* but bitching.... then.... boo. You'll lose no
>> matter
>>>>> what.
>>>>>
>>>>> The polls are still open - you still have time man... !!! Do it!!!
>> C'mon
>>>>> man! :)
>>>>>
>>>>> peace,
>>>>> -Carl
>>>>>
>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4550e4be$1@linux...
>>>>>> fat chance
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carl Amburn wrote:
>>>>>>> I think that if you didn't vote - then you just need to shut your
>> mouth.
>>>>> :)
>>>>>>> -Carl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:stl1l2d5uubi8k8flvful5vvtcjsmb7er8@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> i vote so later i can bitch about the idiots i didn't help get
>>>>>>>> elected...it's worked like a charm so far.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7 Nov 2006 23:51:27 +1000, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ok, so I come to work and a coworker asks me if I'm going to vote.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I say "NO", there's nobody that meets my criteria for my vote.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then I ask if they know who they are going to vote for and they
>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>> "Not
>>>>>>>>> yet but I will when I get to the polls".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> hmm, brilliant !!!! I'm sure the next hour is plenty of time to
>>>>> learn
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> you need about who you are voting for.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ARGHHHHHHHHHH !!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vote for me! I'm a pretty color !!!
>>
>>
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| Re: Voting for dummies [message #75630 is a reply to message #75623] |
Wed, 08 November 2006 12:33 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
I'm disappointed in your disappointment.
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>I'm disappointed in both attitudes. It's disappointingly easy to justify
>dumbing down messages for the electorate because political consultants
>have found a measure of success doing exactly that. Which means the
>electorate has failed to be as discerning as you are in that regard.
>
>OTOH, politics in the USA is a participatory system. Sitting back and
>grousing about the failures of others is a weak form of participation.
>Stronger opportunities exist, including:
>
> -Direct correspondence and personal contact with candidates (where you
>can ask for their stands and plans and discuss your perspectives). Many
>candidates seek this out, they want your vote, and actively look for
>input from voters and opportunities to explain their outlooks.
>
> -Membership in a political party of any stripe where you can influence
>policy platforms.
>
> -Letters to the editor in local papers.
>
> -Support for any candidates who do live up to your standards by
>volunteering or donating.
>
> -Running for office yourself.
>
> -Finding an issue that matters to you and advocating your own action
>plan with elected officials.
>
> -Joining or starting organizations that advocate action on one or more
>issues you care about. You could, for example, start crusading for an
>actual "none of the above" option on the ballot. Which is, BTW, a great
>idea.
>
>Those and a myriad of other options exist.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>John wrote:
>> Yeah but don't be disappointed in me, be disappointed in the politicians
>> that expect me to vote for them because they have a pretty color and
>> not because they stand for anything.
>>
>> John
>>
>> Carl Amburn wrote:
>>> John, it's really disappointing to know that people who actually use
>>> reason,
>>> such as yourself, (instead of fear) aren't going to vote.
>>>
>>> -Carl
>>>
>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4550fbb0$1@linux...
>>>> I'm not complaining. I'm just not finding any reason to vote. I'm
a
>>>> man of reason, not a sheep. If a politician can clearly tell me why
I
>>>> should vote for them I will be glad to listen to them.
>>>>
>>>> I find that politicians think of this as a game and not truly affecting
>>>> peoples lives. I hate it when people vote for their own special
>>>> interests. I will never do that. Whenever I vote it will be because
>>>> the issues are the best for everyone.
>>>>
>>>> I often recommend cutting government programs and people say "But you
>>>> work for government, your job could be cut" and I say "Good !".
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> steve the artguy wrote:
>>>>> Ok, John. Here's the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> I kinda agree with you on some level. If I'm given a choice of two
>>> idiots,
>>>>> and told that if I don't vote for one of them, then I am somehow a
>>>>> civic
>>>>> failure, well, that doesn't cut it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem is that you're not helping. It's like someone gives you
a
>>> menu
>>>>> of two foods you don't like, so you refuse to eat at all. The folks
>>> happily
>>>>> eating crap aren't phased at all. The only person who gets starved
is
>>> you.
>>>>> Ha ha. Boy, you sure showed them!
>>>>>
>>>>> What's needed? Real food! If there's none out there to choose, grow
>>>>> some
>>>>> of your own! Cook it yourself!
>>>>>
>>>>> Get my analogy? The whole "If you don't vote you can't compain" is
as
>>> lame
>>>>> as saying,"If you don't wear a bullet-proof vest every waking hour
and
>>> then
>>>>> get shot and injured, you can't complain."
>>>>>
>>>>> You shouldn't have to wear a bullet proof suit! you shouldn't have
to
>>> vote
>>>>> for idiots!
>>>>>
>>>>> But the solution requires a lot, a WHOLE lot, more than just emerging
>>> from
>>>>> your political groundhog hoe every two years to see if it's raining
>>> idiots
>>>>> or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> If no one has a plan you can endorse, find likeminded people and
>>>>> come up
>>>>> with one yourself! Then find someone who will follow it! if you can't
>>> find
>>>>> someone, well, how about doing it yourself!
>>>>>
>>>>> So, what causes have inspired you to take political action? None?
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the answer to those who say if you don't vote you can't
>>>>> complain.
>>>>> You can complain. But if you do NOTHING BUT COMPLAIN, well, then, you
>>> can't
>>>>> complain...!
>>>>>
>>>>> You can, however, drink. It is still a free...to drink...country...
>>>>>
>>>>> -steve
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Well, I suppose that's your right - however, everyone that does vote
>>> won't
>>>>>> respect your opinion - and you really shouldn't argue about how bad
or
>>> good
>>>>>> things go - if you don't concern yourself to participate, then don't
>>> bitch.
>>>>>> C'mon John... you gotta do better than that. At *least* I did what
I'm
>>> able
>>>>>> to do today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, I should say, that I agree with you, in that these are times
that
>>> lack
>>>>>> leadership with true inspiration and vision. And, if you are planning
>>> or
>>>>>> going to run for elected office - then I owe you much kudos - BUT,
if
>>> you're
>>>>>> just doing *nothing* but bitching.... then.... boo. You'll lose no
>>> matter
>>>>>> what.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The polls are still open - you still have time man... !!! Do it!!!
>>> C'mon
>>>>>> man! :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> peace,
>>>>>> -Carl
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4550e4be$1@linux...
>>>>>>> fat chance
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carl Amburn wrote:
>>>>>>>> I think that if you didn't vote - then you just need to shut your
>>> mouth.
>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>> -Carl
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:stl1l2d5uubi8k8flvful5vvtcjsmb7er8@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> i vote so later i can bitch about the idiots i didn't help get
>>>>>>>>> elected...it's worked like a charm so far.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7 Nov 2006 23:51:27 +1000, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ok, so I come to work and a coworker asks me if I'm going to vote.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I say "NO", there's nobody that meets my criteria for my vote.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then I ask if they know who they are going to vote for and they
>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>> "Not
>>>>>>>>>> yet but I will when I get to the polls".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hmm, brilliant !!!! I'm sure the next hour is plenty of time
to
>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> you need about who you are voting for.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ARGHHHHHHHHHH !!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Vote for me! I'm a pretty color !!!
>>>
>>>
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| Re: Voting for dummies [message #75631 is a reply to message #75623] |
Wed, 08 November 2006 13:06 |
Jim[2]
Messages: 1
Registered: November 2006
|
Junior Member |
|
|
Hey, have pity on poor John.
He's from South Carolina after all.
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>I'm disappointed in both attitudes. It's disappointingly easy to justify
>dumbing down messages for the electorate because political consultants
>have found a measure of success doing exactly that. Which means the
>electorate has failed to be as discerning as you are in that regard.
>
>OTOH, politics in the USA is a participatory system. Sitting back and
>grousing about the failures of others is a weak form of participation.
>Stronger opportunities exist, including:
>
> -Direct correspondence and personal contact with candidates (where you
>can ask for their stands and plans and discuss your perspectives). Many
>candidates seek this out, they want your vote, and actively look for
>input from voters and opportunities to explain their outlooks.
>
> -Membership in a political party of any stripe where you can influence
>policy platforms.
>
> -Letters to the editor in local papers.
>
> -Support for any candidates who do live up to your standards by
>volunteering or donating.
>
> -Running for office yourself.
>
> -Finding an issue that matters to you and advocating your own action
>plan with elected officials.
>
> -Joining or starting organizations that advocate action on one or more
>issues you care about. You could, for example, start crusading for an
>actual "none of the above" option on the ballot. Which is, BTW, a great
>idea.
>
>Those and a myriad of other options exist.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>John wrote:
>> Yeah but don't be disappointed in me, be disappointed in the politicians
>> that expect me to vote for them because they have a pretty color and
>> not because they stand for anything.
>>
>> John
>>
>> Carl Amburn wrote:
>>> John, it's really disappointing to know that people who actually use
>>> reason,
>>> such as yourself, (instead of fear) aren't going to vote.
>>>
>>> -Carl
>>>
>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4550fbb0$1@linux...
>>>> I'm not complaining. I'm just not finding any reason to vote. I'm
a
>>>> man of reason, not a sheep. If a politician can clearly tell me why
I
>>>> should vote for them I will be glad to listen to them.
>>>>
>>>> I find that politicians think of this as a game and not truly affecting
>>>> peoples lives. I hate it when people vote for their own special
>>>> interests. I will never do that. Whenever I vote it will be because
>>>> the issues are the best for everyone.
>>>>
>>>> I often recommend cutting government programs and people say "But you
>>>> work for government, your job could be cut" and I say "Good !".
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> steve the artguy wrote:
>>>>> Ok, John. Here's the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> I kinda agree with you on some level. If I'm given a choice of two
>>> idiots,
>>>>> and told that if I don't vote for one of them, then I am somehow a
>>>>> civic
>>>>> failure, well, that doesn't cut it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem is that you're not helping. It's like someone gives you
a
>>> menu
>>>>> of two foods you don't like, so you refuse to eat at all. The folks
>>> happily
>>>>> eating crap aren't phased at all. The only person who gets starved
is
>>> you.
>>>>> Ha ha. Boy, you sure showed them!
>>>>>
>>>>> What's needed? Real food! If there's none out there to choose, grow
>>>>> some
>>>>> of your own! Cook it yourself!
>>>>>
>>>>> Get my analogy? The whole "If you don't vote you can't compain" is
as
>>> lame
>>>>> as saying,"If you don't wear a bullet-proof vest every waking hour
and
>>> then
>>>>> get shot and injured, you can't complain."
>>>>>
>>>>> You shouldn't have to wear a bullet proof suit! you shouldn't have
to
>>> vote
>>>>> for idiots!
>>>>>
>>>>> But the solution requires a lot, a WHOLE lot, more than just emerging
>>> from
>>>>> your political groundhog hoe every two years to see if it's raining
>>> idiots
>>>>> or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> If no one has a plan you can endorse, find likeminded people and
>>>>> come up
>>>>> with one yourself! Then find someone who will follow it! if you can't
>>> find
>>>>> someone, well, how about doing it yourself!
>>>>>
>>>>> So, what causes have inspired you to take political action? None?
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the answer to those who say if you don't vote you can't
>>>>> complain.
>>>>> You can complain. But if you do NOTHING BUT COMPLAIN, well, then, you
>>> can't
>>>>> complain...!
>>>>>
>>>>> You can, however, drink. It is still a free...to drink...country...
>>>>>
>>>>> -steve
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Well, I suppose that's your right - however, everyone that does vote
>>> won't
>>>>>> respect your opinion - and you really shouldn't argue about how bad
or
>>> good
>>>>>> things go - if you don't concern yourself to participate, then don't
>>> bitch.
>>>>>> C'mon John... you gotta do better than that. At *least* I did what
I'm
>>> able
>>>>>> to do today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, I should say, that I agree with you, in that these are times
that
>>> lack
>>>>>> leadership with true inspiration and vision. And, if you are planning
>>> or
>>>>>> going to run for elected office - then I owe you much kudos - BUT,
if
>>> you're
>>>>>> just doing *nothing* but bitching.... then.... boo. You'll lose no
>>> matter
>>>>>> what.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The polls are still open - you still have time man... !!! Do it!!!
>>> C'mon
>>>>>> man! :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> peace,
>>>>>> -Carl
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4550e4be$1@linux...
>>>>>>> fat chance
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carl Amburn wrote:
>>>>>>>> I think that if you didn't vote - then you just need to shut your
>>> mouth.
>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>> -Carl
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:stl1l2d5uubi8k8flvful5vvtcjsmb7er8@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> i vote so later i can bitch about the idiots i didn't help get
>>>>>>>>> elected...it's worked like a charm so far.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7 Nov 2006 23:51:27 +1000, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ok, so I come to work and a coworker asks me if I'm going to vote.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I say "NO", there's nobody that meets my criteria for my vote.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then I ask if they know who they are going to vote for and they
>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>> "Not
>>>>>>>>>> yet but I will when I get to the polls".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hmm, brilliant !!!! I'm sure the next hour is plenty of time
to
>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> you need about who you are voting for.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ARGHHHHHHHHHH !!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Vote for me! I'm a pretty color !!!
>>>
>>>
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| Re: Voting for dummies [message #75632 is a reply to message #75631] |
Wed, 08 November 2006 12:29 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Actually Florida, South Carolina, Georgia and Oregon but who's counting.
Jim wrote:
> Hey, have pity on poor John.
> He's from South Carolina after all.
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> I'm disappointed in both attitudes. It's disappointingly easy to justify
>
>> dumbing down messages for the electorate because political consultants
>> have found a measure of success doing exactly that. Which means the
>> electorate has failed to be as discerning as you are in that regard.
>>
>> OTOH, politics in the USA is a participatory system. Sitting back and
>> grousing about the failures of others is a weak form of participation.
>> Stronger opportunities exist, including:
>>
>> -Direct correspondence and personal contact with candidates (where you
>
>> can ask for their stands and plans and discuss your perspectives). Many
>
>> candidates seek this out, they want your vote, and actively look for
>> input from voters and opportunities to explain their outlooks.
>>
>> -Membership in a political party of any stripe where you can influence
>
>> policy platforms.
>>
>> -Letters to the editor in local papers.
>>
>> -Support for any candidates who do live up to your standards by
>> volunteering or donating.
>>
>> -Running for office yourself.
>>
>> -Finding an issue that matters to you and advocating your own action
>> plan with elected officials.
>>
>> -Joining or starting organizations that advocate action on one or more
>
>> issues you care about. You could, for example, start crusading for an
>> actual "none of the above" option on the ballot. Which is, BTW, a great
>
>> idea.
>>
>> Those and a myriad of other options exist.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> John wrote:
>>> Yeah but don't be disappointed in me, be disappointed in the politicians
>
>>> that expect me to vote for them because they have a pretty color and
>
>>> not because they stand for anything.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> Carl Amburn wrote:
>>>> John, it's really disappointing to know that people who actually use
>
>>>> reason,
>>>> such as yourself, (instead of fear) aren't going to vote.
>>>>
>>>> -Carl
>>>>
>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4550fbb0$1@linux...
>>>>> I'm not complaining. I'm just not finding any reason to vote. I'm
> a
>>>>> man of reason, not a sheep. If a politician can clearly tell me why
> I
>>>>> should vote for them I will be glad to listen to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> I find that politicians think of this as a game and not truly affecting
>>>>> peoples lives. I hate it when people vote for their own special
>>>>> interests. I will never do that. Whenever I vote it will be because
>>>>> the issues are the best for everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> I often recommend cutting government programs and people say "But you
>>>>> work for government, your job could be cut" and I say "Good !".
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> steve the artguy wrote:
>>>>>> Ok, John. Here's the problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I kinda agree with you on some level. If I'm given a choice of two
>>>> idiots,
>>>>>> and told that if I don't vote for one of them, then I am somehow a
>
>>>>>> civic
>>>>>> failure, well, that doesn't cut it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem is that you're not helping. It's like someone gives you
> a
>>>> menu
>>>>>> of two foods you don't like, so you refuse to eat at all. The folks
>>>> happily
>>>>>> eating crap aren't phased at all. The only person who gets starved
> is
>>>> you.
>>>>>> Ha ha. Boy, you sure showed them!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's needed? Real food! If there's none out there to choose, grow
>
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> of your own! Cook it yourself!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get my analogy? The whole "If you don't vote you can't compain" is
> as
>>>> lame
>>>>>> as saying,"If you don't wear a bullet-proof vest every waking hour
> and
>>>> then
>>>>>> get shot and injured, you can't complain."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You shouldn't have to wear a bullet proof suit! you shouldn't have
> to
>>>> vote
>>>>>> for idiots!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the solution requires a lot, a WHOLE lot, more than just emerging
>>>> from
>>>>>> your political groundhog hoe every two years to see if it's raining
>>>> idiots
>>>>>> or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If no one has a plan you can endorse, find likeminded people and
>>>>>> come up
>>>>>> with one yourself! Then find someone who will follow it! if you can't
>>>> find
>>>>>> someone, well, how about doing it yourself!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, what causes have inspired you to take political action? None?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the answer to those who say if you don't vote you can't
>>>>>> complain.
>>>>>> You can complain. But if you do NOTHING BUT COMPLAIN, well, then, you
>>>> can't
>>>>>> complain...!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can, however, drink. It is still a free...to drink...country...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Well, I suppose that's your right - however, everyone that does vote
>>>> won't
>>>>>>> respect your opinion - and you really shouldn't argue about how bad
> or
>>>> good
>>>>>>> things go - if you don't concern yourself to participate, then don't
>>>> bitch.
>>>>>>> C'mon John... you gotta do better than that. At *least* I did what
> I'm
>>>> able
>>>>>>> to do today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, I should say, that I agree with you, in that these are times
> that
>>>> lack
>>>>>>> leadership with true inspiration and vision. And, if you are planning
>>>> or
>>>>>>> going to run for elected office - then I owe you much kudos - BUT,
> if
>>>> you're
>>>>>>> just doing *nothing* but bitching.... then.... boo. You'll lose no
>>>> matter
>>>>>>> what.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The polls are still open - you still have time man... !!! Do it!!!
>>>> C'mon
>>>>>>> man! :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> peace,
>>>>>>> -Carl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4550e4be$1@linux...
>>>>>>>> fat chance
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Carl Amburn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I think that if you didn't vote - then you just need to shut your
>>>> mouth.
>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>> -Carl
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:stl1l2d5uubi8k8flvful5vvtcjsmb7er8@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> i vote so later i can bitch about the idiots i didn't help get
>>>>>>>>>> elected...it's worked like a charm so far.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Nov 2006 23:51:27 +1000, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, so I come to work and a coworker asks me if I'm going to vote.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I say "NO", there's nobody that meets my criteria for my vote.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then I ask if they know who they are going to vote for and they
>
>>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>> "Not
>>>>>>>>>>> yet but I will when I get to the polls".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> hmm, brilliant !!!! I'm sure the next hour is plenty of time
> to
>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>> you need about who you are voting for.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ARGHHHHHHHHHH !!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Vote for me! I'm a pretty color !!!
>>>>
>
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| Re: Voting for dummies [message #75661 is a reply to message #75632] |
Wed, 08 November 2006 18:44 |
Dubya Mark Wilson
Messages: 108
Registered: May 2006
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Senior Member |
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Just know this, John. The second you start going off negative around here
about any electee or electee's appointees, don't expect a complaint to get
any airtime before you get both barrels point blank and a big 'shup' --
until Nov 2008 anyway.
Dubya
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:45523c14$1@linux...
> Actually Florida, South Carolina, Georgia and Oregon but who's counting.
>
> Jim wrote:
>> Hey, have pity on poor John. He's from South Carolina after all.
>>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>> I'm disappointed in both attitudes. It's disappointingly easy to justify
>>
>>> dumbing down messages for the electorate because political consultants
>>> have found a measure of success doing exactly that. Which means the
>>> electorate has failed to be as discerning as you are in that regard.
>>>
>>> OTOH, politics in the USA is a participatory system. Sitting back and
>>> grousing about the failures of others is a weak form of participation.
>>> Stronger opportunities exist, including:
>>>
>>> -Direct correspondence and personal contact with candidates (where you
>>
>>> can ask for their stands and plans and discuss your perspectives). Many
>>
>>> candidates seek this out, they want your vote, and actively look for
>>> input from voters and opportunities to explain their outlooks.
>>>
>>> -Membership in a political party of any stripe where you can influence
>>
>>> policy platforms.
>>>
>>> -Letters to the editor in local papers.
>>>
>>> -Support for any candidates who do live up to your standards by
>>> volunteering or donating.
>>>
>>> -Running for office yourself.
>>>
>>> -Finding an issue that matters to you and advocating your own action
>>> plan with elected officials.
>>>
>>> -Joining or starting organizations that advocate action on one or more
>>
>>> issues you care about. You could, for example, start crusading for an
>>> actual "none of the above" option on the ballot. Which is, BTW, a great
>>
>>> idea.
>>>
>>> Those and a myriad of other options exist.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>> John wrote:
>>>> Yeah but don't be disappointed in me, be disappointed in the
>>>> politicians
>>
>>>> that expect me to vote for them because they have a pretty color and
>>
>>>> not because they stand for anything.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> Carl Amburn wrote:
>>>>> John, it's really disappointing to know that people who actually use
>>
>>>>> reason,
>>>>> such as yourself, (instead of fear) aren't going to vote.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Carl
>>>>>
>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4550fbb0$1@linux...
>>>>>> I'm not complaining. I'm just not finding any reason to vote. I'm
>> a
>>>>>> man of reason, not a sheep. If a politician can clearly tell me why
>> I
>>>>>> should vote for them I will be glad to listen to them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find that politicians think of this as a game and not truly
>>>>>> affecting
>>>>>> peoples lives. I hate it when people vote for their own special
>>>>>> interests. I will never do that. Whenever I vote it will be because
>>>>>> the issues are the best for everyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I often recommend cutting government programs and people say "But you
>>>>>> work for government, your job could be cut" and I say "Good !".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> steve the artguy wrote:
>>>>>>> Ok, John. Here's the problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I kinda agree with you on some level. If I'm given a choice of two
>>>>> idiots,
>>>>>>> and told that if I don't vote for one of them, then I am somehow a
>>
>>>>>>> civic
>>>>>>> failure, well, that doesn't cut it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem is that you're not helping. It's like someone gives you
>> a
>>>>> menu
>>>>>>> of two foods you don't like, so you refuse to eat at all. The folks
>>>>> happily
>>>>>>> eating crap aren't phased at all. The only person who gets starved
>> is
>>>>> you.
>>>>>>> Ha ha. Boy, you sure showed them!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's needed? Real food! If there's none out there to choose, grow
>>
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> of your own! Cook it yourself!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Get my analogy? The whole "If you don't vote you can't compain" is
>> as
>>>>> lame
>>>>>>> as saying,"If you don't wear a bullet-proof vest every waking hour
>> and
>>>>> then
>>>>>>> get shot and injured, you can't complain."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You shouldn't have to wear a bullet proof suit! you shouldn't have
>> to
>>>>> vote
>>>>>>> for idiots!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But the solution requires a lot, a WHOLE lot, more than just
>>>>>>> emerging
>>>>> from
>>>>>>> your political groundhog hoe every two years to see if it's raining
>>>>> idiots
>>>>>>> or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If no one has a plan you can endorse, find likeminded people and
>>>>>>> come up
>>>>>>> with one yourself! Then find someone who will follow it! if you
>>>>>>> can't
>>>>> find
>>>>>>> someone, well, how about doing it yourself!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, what causes have inspired you to take political action? None?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's the answer to those who say if you don't vote you can't
>>>>>>> complain.
>>>>>>> You can complain. But if you do NOTHING BUT COMPLAIN, well, then,
>>>>>>> you
>>>>> can't
>>>>>>> complain...!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can, however, drink. It is still a free...to drink...country...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -steve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Well, I suppose that's your right - however, everyone that does
>>>>>>>> vote
>>>>> won't
>>>>>>>> respect your opinion - and you really shouldn't argue about how bad
>> or
>>>>> good
>>>>>>>> things go - if you don't concern yourself to participate, then
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>> bitch.
>>>>>>>> C'mon John... you gotta do better than that. At *least* I did what
>> I'm
>>>>> able
>>>>>>>> to do today.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, I should say, that I agree with you, in that these are times
>> that
>>>>> lack
>>>>>>>> leadership with true inspiration and vision. And, if you are
>>>>>>>> planning
>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> going to run for elected office - then I owe you much kudos - BUT,
>> if
>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>> just doing *nothing* but bitching.... then.... boo. You'll lose no
>>>>> matter
>>>>>>>> what.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The polls are still open - you still have time man... !!! Do it!!!
>>>>> C'mon
>>>>>>>> man! :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> peace,
>>>>>>>> -Carl
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4550e4be$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>> fat chance
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Carl Amburn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I think that if you didn't vote - then you just need to shut your
>>>>> mouth.
>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>>> -Carl
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:stl1l2d5uubi8k8flvful5vvtcjsmb7er8@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> i vote so later i can bitch about the idiots i didn't help get
>>>>>>>>>>> elected...it's worked like a charm so far.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Nov 2006 23:51:27 +1000, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, so I come to work and a coworker asks me if I'm going to
>>>>>>>>>>>> vote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I say "NO", there's nobody that meets my criteria for my vote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then I ask if they know who they are going to vote for and they
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>> "Not
>>>>>>>>>>>> yet but I will when I get to the polls".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> hmm, brilliant !!!! I'm sure the next hour is plenty of time
>> to
>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>> you need about who you are voting for.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ARGHHHHHHHHHH !!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vote for me! I'm a pretty color !!!
>>>>>
>>
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