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Wed, 12 November 2008 15:45

John [1]
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Registered: September 2005

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I've got CDRs that are going bad after just a couple of years. They have
no scratches and are in perfect condition. Apparantly the dyes are unstable
and fail from what I'm reading.

Has anyone researched this to know what the best brands are and what can
be expected or are they all bad this way?

Thanks,
John

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Re: CDR lifespan ? [message #101041 is a reply to message #101039]

Wed, 12 November 2008 15:01

Edna Sloan

Messages: 304
Registered: October 2005

Senior Member

I haven't had any problems with mine - differernt brands, both cheap and
expensive. All are at least 4 years old, and some near 10(Verbatim brand).
I hear they are subject to ultra-violet light and non water-based ink bleed
thru.

"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:491b5ca7$1@linux...
>
> I've got CDRs that are going bad after just a couple of years. They have
> no scratches and are in perfect condition. Apparantly the dyes are
> unstable
> and fail from what I'm reading.
>
> Has anyone researched this to know what the best brands are and what can
> be expected or are they all bad this way?
>
> Thanks,
> John

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Re: CDR lifespan ? [message #101042 is a reply to message #101039]

Wed, 12 November 2008 19:24

Aaron Allen

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Registered: May 2008

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I use exclusively (unless a client is absolutely insistant) verbatim. They
offer up to a 100 yr shelf life if stored properly.
AA

"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:491b5ca7$1@linux...
>
> I've got CDRs that are going bad after just a couple of years. They have
> no scratches and are in perfect condition. Apparantly the dyes are
> unstable
> and fail from what I'm reading.
>
> Has anyone researched this to know what the best brands are and what can
> be expected or are they all bad this way?
>
> Thanks,
> John

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Re: CDR lifespan ? [message #101043 is a reply to message #101039]

Thu, 13 November 2008 00:57

Erling

Messages: 156
Registered: October 2008

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I know these problems too from earlier on different CD's and DVD's. I
know, a periode, there were problems with paper glued on some discs,
that started a chemical process that was destroying. But I have also
observed problems when changing player. Had a 6 years old project
backuped on blank CD's with glued paper, that I wanted new backups on
DVD's. 6 of 8 discs were destroyed. Luckily, I know the project never
wouldl be remixed.
I have really good results with Verbatim, Premium and MDA here in
Europe.

Good luck
Erling

On 13 Nov 2008 09:45:59 +1000, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:

>
>I've got CDRs that are going bad after just a couple of years. They have
>no scratches and are in perfect condition. Apparantly the dyes are unstable
>and fail from what I'm reading.
>
>Has anyone researched this to know what the best brands are and what can
>be expected or are they all bad this way?
>
>Thanks,
>John

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Re: CDR lifespan ? [message #101044 is a reply to message #101039]

Thu, 13 November 2008 08:14

Ed
Messages: 199
Registered: February 2006

Senior Member

I Have discs stored in my garage that were burnt sometimes over 8 years ago...
they still work and get read fine. They are different brands. I also have
had issues of reading discs... but it was usually the disc reader that was
the problem. They do wear out after some time. Of course they are pretty
cheap these days and easy to replace. Unless it is a notebook. That isn't
so easy or cheap. I would suggest to try to same discs in a different reader
before pointing the finger at the discs. Of course a big culprit to this
dillema had to do with the manufactures and the fight for plus or minus (+/-).
I have a pile of mp3 minus (-) dvd's that were burnt long ago... but some
disc readers do not like them. So I make it a habit to purchase nothing
but the plus (+) discs. They seem to be more uniform or universal -- imho...

"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>I've got CDRs that are going bad after just a couple of years. They have
>no scratches and are in perfect condition. Apparantly the dyes are unstable
>and fail from what I'm reading.
>
>Has anyone researched this to know what the best brands are and what can
>be expected or are they all bad this way?
>
>Thanks,
>John

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Re: CDR lifespan ? [message #101045 is a reply to message #101044]

Thu, 13 November 2008 08:51

John [1]
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This particular disk that went bad has a full cd size adhesive label on it.
Maybe the glue hosed it.

Can I write on the backs with a sharpie or will that mess them up (as I have
200 dvds with sharpie on them already).

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Re: CDR lifespan ? [message #101046 is a reply to message #101045]

Thu, 13 November 2008 09:15

Ted Gerber

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(soft) Sharpie (oxymoron) should be fine.
We use Taiyo Yuden

Ted

"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>This particular disk that went bad has a full cd size adhesive label on
it.
> Maybe the glue hosed it.
>
>Can I write on the backs with a sharpie or will that mess them up (as I
have
>200 dvds with sharpie on them already).

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Re: CDR lifespan ? [message #101047 is a reply to message #101046]

Thu, 13 November 2008 15:38

Gantt Kushner

Messages: 545
Registered: June 2006
Location: Silver Spring, Maryland, ...

Senior Member

I also use Taiyo Yuden. Don't know about shelf life but they play on everyone's
machines where some others do not. I do not use Sharpies. They can leach
thru and destroy data. I use felt tip pens designed for CD-R's. They're
not too hard to find.

Gantt

"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>(soft) Sharpie (oxymoron) should be fine.
>We use Taiyo Yuden
>
>Ted
>
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>This particular disk that went bad has a full cd size adhesive label on
>it.
>> Maybe the glue hosed it.
>>
>>Can I write on the backs with a sharpie or will that mess them up (as I
>have
>>200 dvds with sharpie on them already).
>

Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com

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Re: CDR lifespan ? [message #101049 is a reply to message #101047]

Thu, 13 November 2008 16:59

John [1]
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Registered: September 2005

Senior Member

I just ordered some Taiyo Yuden's. Where do you get the CD-R felt tip pens?
Staples, Office Depot or somewhere else ?

thanks,
John

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Re: CDR lifespan ? [message #101052 is a reply to message #101044]

Thu, 13 November 2008 16:47

Aaron Allen

Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008

Senior Member

Just remember.... + for data, - for video discs.....

AA

"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:491c445d$1@linux...
>
> I Have discs stored in my garage that were burnt sometimes over 8 years
> ago...
> they still work and get read fine. They are different brands. I also
> have
> had issues of reading discs... but it was usually the disc reader that was
> the problem. They do wear out after some time. Of course they are pretty
> cheap these days and easy to replace. Unless it is a notebook. That
> isn't
> so easy or cheap. I would suggest to try to same discs in a different
> reader
> before pointing the finger at the discs. Of course a big culprit to this
> dillema had to do with the manufactures and the fight for plus or minus
> (+/-).
> I have a pile of mp3 minus (-) dvd's that were burnt long ago... but some
> disc readers do not like them. So I make it a habit to purchase nothing
> but the plus (+) discs. They seem to be more uniform or universal --
> imho...
>
>
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>I've got CDRs that are going bad after just a couple of years. They have
>>no scratches and are in perfect condition. Apparantly the dyes are
>>unstable
>>and fail from what I'm reading.
>>
>>Has anyone researched this to know what the best brands are and what can
>>be expected or are they all bad this way?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>John
>

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Re: CDR lifespan ? [message #101053 is a reply to message #101045]

Thu, 13 November 2008 16:48

Aaron Allen

Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008

Senior Member

The logic is that the sharpee, unless specifically for CD/DVD r and r/w
makes a chemical reaction over time that is not good for the substrate layer
and will degrade it.
AA

"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:491c4d12$1@linux...
>
> This particular disk that went bad has a full cd size adhesive label on
> it.
> Maybe the glue hosed it.
>
> Can I write on the backs with a sharpie or will that mess them up (as I
> have
> 200 dvds with sharpie on them already).

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Re: CDR lifespan ? [message #101054 is a reply to message #101049]

Thu, 13 November 2008 16:49

Aaron Allen

Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008

Senior Member

All the above. Or online, if you want to be lazy. WalMart may even have
them.
AA

"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:491cbf44$1@linux...
>
> I just ordered some Taiyo Yuden's. Where do you get the CD-R felt tip
> pens?
> Staples, Office Depot or somewhere else ?
>
> thanks,
> John

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Re: CDR lifespan ? [message #101060 is a reply to message #101052]

Thu, 13 November 2008 19:16

John [1]
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Registered: September 2005

Senior Member

Are you serious ? I just ordered 100 of the - and I just want to store
data.

Taiyo Yuden 4.7GB DVD-R, 16X, Silver
Thermal, 100 Disc Spindle

"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Just remember.... + for data, - for video discs.....
>
>AA
>
>
>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:491c445d$1@linux...
>>
>> I Have discs stored in my garage that were burnt sometimes over 8 years

>> ago...
>> they still work and get read fine. They are different brands. I also

>> have
>> had issues of reading discs... but it was usually the disc reader that
was
>> the problem. They do wear out after some time. Of course they are pretty
>> cheap these days and easy to replace. Unless it is a notebook. That

>> isn't
>> so easy or cheap. I would suggest to try to same discs in a different

>> reader
>> before pointing the finger at the discs. Of course a big culprit to this
>> dillema had to do with the manufactures and the fight for plus or minus

>> (+/-).
>> I have a pile of mp3 minus (-) dvd's that were burnt long ago... but some
>> disc readers do not like them. So I make it a habit to purchase nothing
>> but the plus (+) discs. They seem to be more uniform or universal --

>> imho...
>>
>>
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I've got CDRs that are going bad after just a couple of years. They have
>>>no scratches and are in perfect condition. Apparantly the dyes are
>>>unstable
>>>and fail from what I'm reading.
>>>
>>>Has anyone researched this to know what the best brands are and what can
>>>be expected or are they all bad this way?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>John
>>
>
>

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Re: CDR lifespan ? [message #101061 is a reply to message #101049]

Thu, 13 November 2008 20:12

Gantt Kushner

Messages: 545
Registered: June 2006
Location: Silver Spring, Maryland, ...

Senior Member

Staples or Office Depot should have them.

Gantt

"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>I just ordered some Taiyo Yuden's. Where do you get the CD-R felt tip pens?
> Staples, Office Depot or somewhere else ?
>
>thanks,
>John

Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com

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Re: CDR lifespan ? [message #101062 is a reply to message #101060]

Thu, 13 November 2008 19:17

Aaron Allen

Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008

Senior Member

You can use the -, but the recommended configs are - for video and + for
data. Either will do either format.. it's just a legacy thing.

AA

"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:491cdf93$1@linux...
>
> Are you serious ? I just ordered 100 of the - and I just want to store
> data.
>
> Taiyo Yuden 4.7GB DVD-R, 16X, Silver
> Thermal, 100 Disc Spindle
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>Just remember.... + for data, - for video discs.....
>>
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:491c445d$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I Have discs stored in my garage that were burnt sometimes over 8 years
>
>>> ago...
>>> they still work and get read fine. They are different brands. I also
>
>>> have
>>> had issues of reading discs... but it was usually the disc reader that
> was
>>> the problem. They do wear out after some time. Of course they are
>>> pretty
>>> cheap these days and easy to replace. Unless it is a notebook. That
>
>>> isn't
>>> so easy or cheap. I would suggest to try to same discs in a different
>
>>> reader
>>> before pointing the finger at the discs. Of course a big culprit to
>>> this
>>> dillema had to do with the manufactures and the fight for plus or minus
>
>>> (+/-).
>>> I have a pile of mp3 minus (-) dvd's that were burnt long ago... but
>>> some
>>> disc readers do not like them. So I make it a habit to purchase nothing
>>> but the plus (+) discs. They seem to be more uniform or universal --
>
>>> imho...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I've got CDRs that are going bad after just a couple of years. They
>>>>have
>>>>no scratches and are in perfect condition. Apparantly the dyes are
>>>>unstable
>>>>and fail from what I'm reading.
>>>>
>>>>Has anyone researched this to know what the best brands are and what can
>>>>be expected or are they all bad this way?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>John
>>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: CDR lifespan ? [message #101066 is a reply to message #101060]

Fri, 14 November 2008 00:10

Erling

Messages: 156
Registered: October 2008

Senior Member

First of all, DVDR+ is a newer format that, as one of the two
standards, can be used on "more things", as far as I remember.
Here's one of the internetsides with som explanations:
http://www.videohelp.com/dvd

Erling

On 14 Nov 2008 13:16:51 +1000, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:

>
>Are you serious ? I just ordered 100 of the - and I just want to store
>data.
>
>Taiyo Yuden 4.7GB DVD-R, 16X, Silver
> Thermal, 100 Disc Spindle
>
>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>Just remember.... + for data, - for video discs.....
>>
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:491c445d$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I Have discs stored in my garage that were burnt sometimes over 8 years
>
>>> ago...
>>> they still work and get read fine. They are different brands. I also
>
>>> have
>>> had issues of reading discs... but it was usually the disc reader that
>was
>>> the problem. They do wear out after some time. Of course they are pretty
>>> cheap these days and easy to replace. Unless it is a notebook. That
>
>>> isn't
>>> so easy or cheap. I would suggest to try to same discs in a different
>
>>> reader
>>> before pointing the finger at the discs. Of course a big culprit to this
>>> dillema had to do with the manufactures and the fight for plus or minus
>
>>> (+/-).
>>> I have a pile of mp3 minus (-) dvd's that were burnt long ago... but some
>>> disc readers do not like them. So I make it a habit to purchase nothing
>>> but the plus (+) discs. They seem to be more uniform or universal --
>
>>> imho...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I've got CDRs that are going bad after just a couple of years. They have
>>>>no scratches and are in perfect condition. Apparantly the dyes are
>>>>unstable
>>>>and fail from what I'm reading.
>>>>
>>>>Has anyone researched this to know what the best brands are and what can
>>>>be expected or are they all bad this way?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>John
>>>
>>
>>

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Re: CDR lifespan ? [message #101088 is a reply to message #101039]

Sat, 15 November 2008 15:23

AlexPlasko

Messages: 211
Registered: September 2006

Senior Member

Mix magazine did a series on the dies and their properties .If I remember
right,pthalocyanine is what you want.
pthalocyanine has a characteristic blue tint.as opposed to cyanine ,which
has a green/yellow tint.
get the blue shit!
more technical here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phthalocyanine

"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:491b5ca7$1@linux...
>
> I've got CDRs that are going bad after just a couple of years. They have
> no scratches and are in perfect condition. Apparantly the dyes are
> unstable
> and fail from what I'm reading.
>
> Has anyone researched this to know what the best brands are and what can
> be expected or are they all bad this way?
>
> Thanks,
> John

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Re: CDR lifespan ? [message #101089 is a reply to message #101088]

Sat, 15 November 2008 17:05

Aaron Allen

Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008

Senior Member

FWIW, the 100 yr Verbatim discs are all blue tinted.
AA

"alex plasko" <alex.plasko@snet.net> wrote in message
news:491f5dce$1@linux...
> Mix magazine did a series on the dies and their properties .If I remember
> right,pthalocyanine is what you want.
> pthalocyanine has a characteristic blue tint.as opposed to cyanine ,which
> has a green/yellow tint.
> get the blue shit!
> more technical here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phthalocyanine
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:491b5ca7$1@linux...
>>
>> I've got CDRs that are going bad after just a couple of years. They have
>> no scratches and are in perfect condition. Apparantly the dyes are
>> unstable
>> and fail from what I'm reading.
>>
>> Has anyone researched this to know what the best brands are and what can
>> be expected or are they all bad this way?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
>
>

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Re: CDR lifespan ? [message #101236 is a reply to message #101039]

Sat, 22 November 2008 10:58

Edna Sloan

Messages: 304
Registered: October 2005

Senior Member

One other thing I might mention is that a friend had her DVDs going bad
after repeated cleanings with Windex and/or alcohol - no scratches, but they
no longer read.

"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:491b5ca7$1@linux...
>
> I've got CDRs that are going bad after just a couple of years. They have
> no scratches and are in perfect condition. Apparantly the dyes are
> unstable
> and fail from what I'm reading.
>
> Has anyone researched this to know what the best brands are and what can
> be expected or are they all bad this way?
>
> Thanks,
> John

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Re: CDR lifespan ? [message #101247 is a reply to message #101236]

Sat, 22 November 2008 20:21

Aaron Allen

Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008

Senior Member

If it's necessary I use a neutral cleaner or gentle soap. Anything that
leaves a residue would be bad. Warm soapy water, rinsed immediately and
dried in a center to edge motion with a lint-free cloth has yet to fail me.

AA

"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:49285a36@linux...
> One other thing I might mention is that a friend had her DVDs going bad
> after repeated cleanings with Windex and/or alcohol - no scratches, but
> they no longer read.
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:491b5ca7$1@linux...
>>
>> I've got CDRs that are going bad after just a couple of years. They have
>> no scratches and are in perfect condition. Apparantly the dyes are
>> unstable
>> and fail from what I'm reading.
>>
>> Has anyone researched this to know what the best brands are and what can
>> be expected or are they all bad this way?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
>
>

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