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Fri, 21 December 2007 22:29  |
Deej
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It may not really be too much of a big deal, but one thing I hate about
Cubase is that I can't seem to find a way to save a template that has the
I/O named according to the way the ASIO drivers configure them when working
at 44.1/48k and another one set up solely for 88.2/96k. Maybe I'm missing
something here, but right now I've got the I/O labelled in Cubase so that
when, say, a certain numbered input is for one of my D/A's at 88.2 but
correlates to one of the ADAT returns from my slave DAW at 44.1, I can
recognize it by naming it something like In8/Slave 16 or something like
that.
What I want to be able to do is open up a project at 88.2 and all of the I/O
are named according to what they are interfacing with, with no double names.
Same thing at 44.1. the only way I can see to do this would be to have dual
boot OS drives on both my master and slave machines.
What I would like to be able to do is take Acronis True Image and clone both
my Master and Slave HD's to two separate drives, as safety copies, just in
case, and then use some sort of disk utility to create a new partition on
each of the original drives, then use True Image to clone the disk image to
the new partition on each of the drives. That way I could have an 88.2
partition and a 44.1 partition, each with a template of Cubase set up to
work at whatever sample rates I need to use, and each template will have the
Cubase I/O named correctly.
This also sounds like something I could **** up about as bad as a soup
sandwich.
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| Re: my next fun endeavor [message #93867 is a reply to message #93840] |
Sat, 22 December 2007 09:55  |
Neil
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Deej, you know you can re-name you i/o's, right? What if you
just created a 44.1k template & named all the i/o's according
to their sources & destinations, save it, and THEN change the
samplerate to 88.2k, refresh your i/o's (which will cause half
of your lightpipe i/o's to disappear) then rename as necessary,
& save that as your 88.2k template... no need for none o' 'dat
dual-boot/dual-partition/dual-sized-headache garbage.
Neil
"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>It may not really be too much of a big deal, but one thing I hate about
>Cubase is that I can't seem to find a way to save a template that has the
>I/O named according to the way the ASIO drivers configure them when working
>at 44.1/48k and another one set up solely for 88.2/96k. Maybe I'm missing
>something here, but right now I've got the I/O labelled in Cubase so that
>when, say, a certain numbered input is for one of my D/A's at 88.2 but
>correlates to one of the ADAT returns from my slave DAW at 44.1, I can
>recognize it by naming it something like In8/Slave 16 or something like
>that.
>
>What I want to be able to do is open up a project at 88.2 and all of the
I/O
>are named according to what they are interfacing with, with no double names.
>Same thing at 44.1. the only way I can see to do this would be to have dual
>boot OS drives on both my master and slave machines.
>
>What I would like to be able to do is take Acronis True Image and clone
both
>my Master and Slave HD's to two separate drives, as safety copies, just
in
>case, and then use some sort of disk utility to create a new partition on
>each of the original drives, then use True Image to clone the disk image
to
>the new partition on each of the drives. That way I could have an 88.2
>partition and a 44.1 partition, each with a template of Cubase set up to
>work at whatever sample rates I need to use, and each template will have
the
>Cubase I/O named correctly.
>
>This also sounds like something I could **** up about as bad as a soup
>sandwich.
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| Re: my next fun endeavor [message #93876 is a reply to message #93867] |
Sat, 22 December 2007 11:40 |
Deej
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Neil,
I'm dealing with a MADI system here. On the Multiface, yes, half the =
ADAT I/O disappears, but this is also the case with a MADI system =
because it's all ADAT I/O. When 8 x I/O on my Multiface plus the 64 I/O =
on the MADI system (32 of which are connected to a pair of AD/DA =
converters) are reconfigured between the two sample rates, there is a =
hell of a bunch of confusion with the naming of ports. On a MADI system. =
my ADAT 1-32 is connected to a pair of ADI 8-DS AD/DA converters. In =
44.1K mode, I/O #'s 9-16 and 25-32 are not even being used because they =
are connected to the 8 Aux ports of the ADI 8-DS units which are not =
running at double speed, but in 88.2 mode, they are being used. My =
system configures itself as follows:
MF A 1 - 8 =3D AD/DA I/O 1-8
MF SPDIF L & R input =3Dreturn from HDSP 9652, output to DAC-1
MF ADAT 1-4 inputs =3D return 1-4 from HDSP 9652 slave at 44.1 and 88.2
MF ADAT 5-8 inputs =3D return 5-8 from HDSP 9652 slave at 44.1 only
MADI 1-8 =3D AD/DA I/O 9-16 at both 44.1 and 88.2
MADI 9-16=3Dopen at 44.1 but correlate to analog 1/0 17-24 at 88.2
MADI 17-24 =3D AD/DA 17-24 at 44.1 but correlate to HDSP 9652 ADAT slave =
returns 5-8 at 88.2
MADI 25-32 =3D open at 44.1 but correlate to HDSP 9652 ADAT slave =
returns 9-16 at 88.2
MADI 33-40=3DAD/DA 17-24 at 44.1
MADI 41-64=3Dreturns from HDSP 9652 ADAT slave at 44.1
This creates a less than elegant scenario for the naming of the ports =
and even more suckage when assigning them and reassigning them from =
project to project.........and even more suckage when assigning names of =
ports to the analog I/O for external hardware and the saving of same as =
favorites.=20
If I had two separate drive images, things would be a lot less cluttered =
and much easier to configure/reconfigure and it would only take as much =
time as it takes to reboot the computer.
Much of this idiocy is due to Cubase not allowing the saving of =
templates for port configurations......or if it does I can't find where =
it allows this.
The Neve box there yet?
;o)
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:476d4189$1@linux...
>=20
> Deej, you know you can re-name you i/o's, right? What if you
> just created a 44.1k template & named all the i/o's according
> to their sources & destinations, save it, and THEN change the
> samplerate to 88.2k, refresh your i/o's (which will cause half
> of your lightpipe i/o's to disappear) then rename as necessary,
> & save that as your 88.2k template... no need for none o' 'dat
> dual-boot/dual-partition/dual-sized-headache garbage.
>=20
> Neil
>=20
>=20
>=20
> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>It may not really be too much of a big deal, but one thing I hate =
about
>=20
>>Cubase is that I can't seem to find a way to save a template that has =
the
>=20
>>I/O named according to the way the ASIO drivers configure them when =
working
>=20
>>at 44.1/48k and another one set up solely for 88.2/96k. Maybe I'm =
missing
>=20
>>something here, but right now I've got the I/O labelled in Cubase so =
that
>=20
>>when, say, a certain numbered input is for one of my D/A's at 88.2 but =
>>correlates to one of the ADAT returns from my slave DAW at 44.1, I can =
>>recognize it by naming it something like In8/Slave 16 or something =
like
>=20
>>that.
>>
>>What I want to be able to do is open up a project at 88.2 and all of =
the
> I/O=20
>>are named according to what they are interfacing with, with no double =
names.
>=20
>>Same thing at 44.1. the only way I can see to do this would be to have =
dual
>=20
>>boot OS drives on both my master and slave machines.
>>
>>What I would like to be able to do is take Acronis True Image and =
clone
> both=20
>>my Master and Slave HD's to two separate drives, as safety copies, =
just
> in=20
>>case, and then use some sort of disk utility to create a new partition =
on
>=20
>>each of the original drives, then use True Image to clone the disk =
image
> to=20
>>the new partition on each of the drives. That way I could have an 88.2 =
>>partition and a 44.1 partition, each with a template of Cubase set up =
to
>=20
>>work at whatever sample rates I need to use, and each template will =
have
> the=20
>>Cubase I/O named correctly.
>>
>>This also sounds like something I could **** up about as bad as a soup =
>>sandwich.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Neil,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm dealing with a MADI system here. On =
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with a=20
MADI system because it's </FONT><EM>all</EM> ADAT I/O. When 8 x =
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Multiface plus the 64 I/O on the MADI system (32 of which are =
connected to=20
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rates, there=20
is a hell of a bunch of confusion with the naming of ports. On a MADI =
system. my=20
ADAT 1-32 is connected to a pair of ADI 8-DS AD/DA converters. In 44.1K =
mode,=20
I/O #'s 9-16 and 25-32 are not even being used because they are =
connected to the=20
8 Aux ports of the ADI 8-DS units which are not running at double speed, =
but in=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MF A 1 - 8 =3D AD/DA I/O =
1-8</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MF SPDIF L & R input =3Dreturn from =
HDSP 9652,=20
output to DAC-1</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MF ADAT 1-4 inputs =3D return 1-4 from =
HDSP 9652=20
slave at 44.1 and 88.2</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MF ADAT 5-8 inputs =3D return 5-8 from =
HDSP 9652=20
slave at 44.1 only</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MADI 1-8 =3D AD/DA I/O 9-16 at both =
44.1 and=20
88.2</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MADI 9-16=3Dopen at 44.1 but correlate =
to analog 1/0=20
17-24 at 88.2</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MADI 17-24 =3D AD/DA 17-24 at 44.1 but =
correlate to=20
HDSP 9652 ADAT slave returns 5-8 at 88.2</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MADI 25-32 =3D open at 44.1 but =
correlate to HDSP=20
9652 ADAT slave returns 9-16 at 88.2</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MADI 33-40=3DAD/DA 17-24 at =
44.1</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MADI 41-64=3Dreturns from HDSP 9652 =
ADAT slave at=20
44.1</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This creates a less than elegant =
scenario for the=20
naming of the ports and even more suckage when assigning them and =
reassigning=20
them from project to project.........and even more suckage when =
assigning names=20
of ports to the analog I/O for external hardware and the saving of =
same as=20
favorites. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If I had two separate drive images, =
things would be=20
a lot less cluttered and much easier to configure/reconfigure and it =
would only=20
take as much time as it takes to reboot the computer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Much of this idiocy is due to Cubase =
not allowing=20
the saving of templates for port configurations......or if it does I =
can't find=20
where it allows this.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Neve box there yet?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Neil" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:OIUOIU@OIU.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>OIUOIU@OIU.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> wrote =
in message=20
</FONT><A href=3D"news:476d4189$1@linux"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>news:476d4189$1@linux</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> Deej, =
you know you=20
can re-name you i/o's, right? What if you<BR>> just created a 44.1k =
template=20
& named all the i/o's according<BR>> to their sources & =
destinations,=20
save it, and THEN change the<BR>> samplerate to 88.2k, refresh your =
i/o's=20
(which will cause half<BR>> of your lightpipe i/o's to disappear) =
then rename=20
as necessary,<BR>> & save that as your 88.2k template... no need =
for none=20
o' 'dat<BR>> dual-boot/dual-partition/dual-sized-headache =
garbage.<BR>>=20
<BR>> Neil<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> "Deej" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:noway@jose.org"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>noway@jose.org</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>It may not really be too much of a big deal, but one =
thing I=20
hate about<BR>> <BR>>>Cubase is that I can't seem to find a way =
to save=20
a template that has the<BR>> <BR>>>I/O named according to the =
way the=20
ASIO drivers configure them when working<BR>> <BR>>>at 44.1/48k =
and=20
another one set up solely for 88.2/96k. Maybe I'm missing<BR>>=20
<BR>>>something here, but right now I've got the I/O labelled in =
Cubase so=20
that<BR>> <BR>>>when, say, a certain numbered input is for one =
of my=20
D/A's at 88.2 but <BR>>>correlates to one of the ADAT returns from =
my=20
slave DAW at 44.1, I can <BR>>>recognize it by naming it something =
like=20
In8/Slave 16 or something like<BR>>=20
<BR>>>that.<BR>>><BR>>>What I want to be able to do is =
open up=20
a project at 88.2 and all of the<BR>> I/O <BR>>>are named =
according to=20
what they are interfacing with, with no double names.<BR>> =
<BR>>>Same=20
thing at 44.1. the only way I can see to do this would be to have =
dual<BR>>=20
<BR>>>boot OS drives on both my master and slave=20
machines.<BR>>><BR>>>What I would like to be able to do is =
take=20
Acronis True Image and clone<BR>> both <BR>>>my Master and =
Slave HD's=20
to two separate drives, as safety copies, just<BR>> in =
<BR>>>case, and=20
then use some sort of disk utility to create a new partition on<BR>>=20
<BR>>>each of the original drives, then use True Image to clone =
the disk=20
image<BR>> to <BR>>>the new partition on each of the drives. =
That way I=20
could have an 88.2 <BR>>>partition and a 44.1 partition, each with =
a=20
template of Cubase set up to<BR>> <BR>>>work at whatever sample =
rates I=20
need to use, and each template will have<BR>> the <BR>>>Cubase =
I/O=20
named correctly.<BR>>><BR>>>This also sounds like something =
I could=20
**** up about as bad as a soup=20
<BR>>>sandwich.<BR>>><BR>>> <BR>></FONT></BODY></HTML=
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| Re: my next fun endeavor [message #93880 is a reply to message #93879] |
Sat, 22 December 2007 13:00 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
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Oops, i meant:
"when you boot up, let's say your 44.1k image - if you have
your clock set to ***88.2k***..." etc, etc
Neil
"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>
>>If I had two separate drive images, things would be a lot less cluttered
>=
>>and much easier to configure/reconfigure and it would only take as much
>=
>>time as it takes to reboot the computer.
>
>OK, i think i kinda see where you're going, but I think you're
>still going to have the following problem: when you boot up,
>let's say your 44.1k image - if you have your clock set to 44.1k
>it's STILL going to only display half of your lightpipe i/o's
>until you re-clock... really I think all you have to do is to
>make sure you're clocked at your chosen samplerate as you boot
>up, and then you can open the appropriate template & the i/o's
>should be correct.
>
>>Much of this idiocy is due to Cubase not allowing the saving of
>>templates for port configurations......or if it does I can't
>>find where it allows this.
>
>The i/o configurations all save with the project, as long as
>your clock matches the samplerate of the project that you're
>opening... unless i'm somehow not understanding your meaning.
>
>>The Neve box there yet?
>
>YES! Didn't you see my post where I was raving about it?
>
>Neil
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| Re: my next fun endeavor [message #93884 is a reply to message #93880] |
Sat, 22 December 2007 12:37 |
Deej
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Hmmmm......OK then............you're saying the port names that are named in
the device manager can be saved with a project template?
I haven't been able to accomplish this. Maybe it's because I'm not setting
my sample rate in a correct sequence of events?
I'll look into this.
thanks,
Deej
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:476d6cde$1@linux...
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> Oops, i meant:
>
> "when you boot up, let's say your 44.1k image - if you have
> your clock set to ***88.2k***..." etc, etc
>
> Neil
>
>
> "Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>
>>>If I had two separate drive images, things would be a lot less cluttered
>>=
>>>and much easier to configure/reconfigure and it would only take as much
>>=
>>>time as it takes to reboot the computer.
>>
>>OK, i think i kinda see where you're going, but I think you're
>>still going to have the following problem: when you boot up,
>>let's say your 44.1k image - if you have your clock set to 44.1k
>>it's STILL going to only display half of your lightpipe i/o's
>>until you re-clock... really I think all you have to do is to
>>make sure you're clocked at your chosen samplerate as you boot
>>up, and then you can open the appropriate template & the i/o's
>>should be correct.
>>
>>>Much of this idiocy is due to Cubase not allowing the saving of
>>>templates for port configurations......or if it does I can't
>>>find where it allows this.
>>
>>The i/o configurations all save with the project, as long as
>>your clock matches the samplerate of the project that you're
>>opening... unless i'm somehow not understanding your meaning.
>>
>>>The Neve box there yet?
>>
>>YES! Didn't you see my post where I was raving about it?
>>
>>Neil
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| Re: my next fun endeavor [message #93888 is a reply to message #93879] |
Sat, 22 December 2007 12:56 |
Deej
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Wait!!!.....I'm not talking about the I/O assignments, I'm talking about =
I/O names and whether or not they are hidden or not in the device =
manager.............oh..nevermind........
;o)
"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:476d6c57$1@linux...
>=20
> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>=20
>>If I had two separate drive images, things would be a lot less =
cluttered
> =3D
>>and much easier to configure/reconfigure and it would only take as =
much
> =3D
>>time as it takes to reboot the computer.
>=20
> OK, i think i kinda see where you're going, but I think you're
> still going to have the following problem: when you boot up,
> let's say your 44.1k image - if you have your clock set to 44.1k
> it's STILL going to only display half of your lightpipe i/o's
> until you re-clock... really I think all you have to do is to
> make sure you're clocked at your chosen samplerate as you boot
> up, and then you can open the appropriate template & the i/o's
> should be correct.
>=20
>>Much of this idiocy is due to Cubase not allowing the saving of
>>templates for port configurations......or if it does I can't=20
>>find where it allows this.
>=20
> The i/o configurations all save with the project, as long as
> your clock matches the samplerate of the project that you're
> opening... unless i'm somehow not understanding your meaning.
>=20
>>The Neve box there yet?
>=20
> YES! Didn't you see my post where I was raving about it?
>=20
> Neil
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Wait!!!.....I'm not talking about the =
I/O=20
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they are=20
hidden or not in the device=20
manager.............oh..nevermind........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Neil" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:IUOIU@OIU.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>IUOIU@OIU.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> wrote =
in message=20
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size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> =
"Deej"=20
<</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:noway@jose.org"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>noway@jose.org</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> =
wrote:<BR>>=20
<BR>>>If I had two separate drive images, things would be a lot =
less=20
cluttered<BR>> =3D<BR>>>and much easier to =
configure/reconfigure and it=20
would only take as much<BR>> =3D<BR>>>time as it takes to =
reboot the=20
computer.<BR>> <BR>> OK, i think i kinda see where you're going, =
but I=20
think you're<BR>> still going to have the following problem: when you =
boot=20
up,<BR>> let's say your 44.1k image - if you have your clock set to=20
44.1k<BR>> it's STILL going to only display half of your lightpipe=20
i/o's<BR>> until you re-clock... really I think all you have to do is =
to<BR>> make sure you're clocked at your chosen samplerate as you=20
boot<BR>> up, and then you can open the appropriate template & =
the=20
i/o's<BR>> should be correct.<BR>> <BR>>>Much of this idiocy =
is due=20
to Cubase not allowing the saving of<BR>>>templates for port=20
configurations......or if it does I can't <BR>>>find where it =
allows=20
this.<BR>> <BR>> The i/o configurations all save with the project, =
as long=20
as<BR>> your clock matches the samplerate of the project that =
you're<BR>>=20
opening... unless i'm somehow not understanding your meaning.<BR>>=20
<BR>>>The Neve box there yet?<BR>> <BR>> YES! Didn't you see =
my post=20
where I was raving about it?<BR>> <BR>> Neil</FONT></BODY></HTML>
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Neil
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OK, look, here's the way you do it... if you go to the topbar
menu & select: Devices/VST Connections & select
either the "Inputs" or "Outputs" tab, you'll se a little teeny
black window in the upper area that says "presets"; it has
several stock presets that you can load using the drop-down
arrow on the right-hand side of that, but what you want to do
is note the little - even teensier - folder icon with the plus
sign, just to the right of the little presets windowette...
THAT's how you save your i/o preset templates.
Make one for 88.2k first, ensuring that your clock is set to
88.2 so you see all the lightpipe ports, name everything the
way you want on the Input side (tab), then click the little
folder icon with the plus sign in it, and save it as: "88k
Insies" or whatever makes sense to you, then go over to the
Output tab & name everything the way you want, repeat the
folder icon save procedure & name it "88k Outsies" or what have
you... THEN reclock to 44.1k. At this point, of course, your
lightpipe i/o's will collapse down & you can refresh the i/o's
under "Devices/Device Setup", then look down the list for VST
inputs & VST outputs - go to each one & hit "reset". (in fact,
you may want to do this even before you do the 88.2k i/o
template - i keep forgetting you're not exclusively on 88.2, so
you may have to reset/refresh before you start, just to make
sure you're seeing all of them).
OK, once you've done that at 44.1k, start naming your i/o's for
the 44.1k versions of what you just saved, as described
above... then save one for the Input side & one under the
output tab, each with it's own name, appropriately.
And there you have it!!!!!!!!! No muss, no fuss, no dual-
partitioning needed. ALl you'll have to make sure you do is to
refresh your VST connections each time you go between a 44.1k
project & an 88.2k one, then pull up the your saved i/o
templates!
Neil
"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>
>
>Wait!!!.....I'm not talking about the I/O assignments, I'm talking about
=
>I/O names and whether or not they are hidden or not in the device =
>manager.............oh..nevermind........
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Sat, 22 December 2007 21:40 |
Deej
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Hey Neil,
I get what you're saying and I do use the presets, but what I'm talking =
about is completely different. the following is what I'm unhappy about:
Navigate to:
Devices>Device Setup>VST Audio System>ASIO Hammerfall DSP
On the right is the screen where you choose to enable/disable direct =
monitoring. Below that is where the I/O ports are shown. the port system =
name is shown and to it's right you can name the port in the Show As =
column. The Show As names cannot be saved in an 88.2 template and a =
44.1 template. No matter what template you save, the names in the Show =
As column and any ports you might want to choose to hide because you =
aren't using them in 44.1 mode (MF ADAT ports 4-8 and and MADI ports =
33-64 when using 88.2 and MADI ADAT ports 9-16 and 25 through 32 when =
using 44.1 in my particular situation) will carry over no matter what =
the template/sample rate you save/use. Well, if I'm working at 44.1, =
I've got all these ports showing up that I want to hide because they are =
of no possible use to me, they have double names because some of them =
correlate to totally different ports at 88.2 and they just tend to =
clutter up the I/O configurations that I want to be able to create =
quickly.
Using a dual boot system, one strictly for 44.1 and the other for 88.2 =
would solve this completely....and it's the only way I can see that =
would do this.
Regards,
Deej
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:476db9d5$1@linux...
>=20
> OK, look, here's the way you do it... if you go to the topbar
> menu & select: Devices/VST Connections & select
> either the "Inputs" or "Outputs" tab, you'll se a little teeny
> black window in the upper area that says "presets"; it has
> several stock presets that you can load using the drop-down
> arrow on the right-hand side of that, but what you want to do
> is note the little - even teensier - folder icon with the plus
> sign, just to the right of the little presets windowette...
> THAT's how you save your i/o preset templates.
>=20
> Make one for 88.2k first, ensuring that your clock is set to
> 88.2 so you see all the lightpipe ports, name everything the
> way you want on the Input side (tab), then click the little
> folder icon with the plus sign in it, and save it as: "88k
> Insies" or whatever makes sense to you, then go over to the
> Output tab & name everything the way you want, repeat the
> folder icon save procedure & name it "88k Outsies" or what have
> you... THEN reclock to 44.1k. At this point, of course, your
> lightpipe i/o's will collapse down & you can refresh the i/o's
> under "Devices/Device Setup", then look down the list for VST
> inputs & VST outputs - go to each one & hit "reset". (in fact,
> you may want to do this even before you do the 88.2k i/o
> template - i keep forgetting you're not exclusively on 88.2, so
> you may have to reset/refresh before you start, just to make
> sure you're seeing all of them).
>=20
> OK, once you've done that at 44.1k, start naming your i/o's for
> the 44.1k versions of what you just saved, as described
> above... then save one for the Input side & one under the
> output tab, each with it's own name, appropriately.
>=20
> And there you have it!!!!!!!!! No muss, no fuss, no dual-
> partitioning needed. ALl you'll have to make sure you do is to
> refresh your VST connections each time you go between a 44.1k
> project & an 88.2k one, then pull up the your saved i/o
> templates!
>=20
> Neil
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Wait!!!.....I'm not talking about the I/O assignments, I'm talking =
about
> =3D
>>I/O names and whether or not they are hidden or not in the device =3D
>>manager.............oh..nevermind........
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hey Neil,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I get what you're saying and I do use =
the presets,=20
but what I'm talking about is completely different. the =
following is=20
what I'm unhappy about:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Navigate to:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Devices>Device Setup>VST Audio =
System>ASIO=20
Hammerfall DSP</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On the right is the screen where you =
choose to=20
enable/disable direct monitoring. Below that is where the I/O ports are =
shown.=20
the port system name is shown and to it's right you can name the =
port in=20
the <STRONG>S<EM>how As</EM></STRONG> column. The <EM><STRONG>Show=20
As</STRONG></EM> names cannot be saved in an 88.2 template and a =
44.1=20
template. No matter what template you save, the names in the =
<EM><STRONG>Show=20
As</STRONG></EM> column and any ports you might want to choose to hide =
because=20
you aren't using them in 44.1 mode (MF ADAT ports 4-8 and and MADI ports =
33-64=20
when using 88.2 and MADI ADAT ports 9-16 and 25 through 32 when using =
44.1 in my=20
particular situation) will carry over no matter what the template/sample =
rate=20
you save/use. Well, if I'm working at 44.1, I've got all these =
ports=20
showing up that I want to hide because they are of no possible use to =
me, they=20
have double names because some of them correlate to totally different =
ports at=20
88.2 and they just tend to clutter up the I/O configurations that I want =
to be=20
able to create quickly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Using a dual boot system, one strictly =
for 44.1 and=20
the other for 88.2 would solve this completely....and it's the only way =
I can=20
see that would do this.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Neil" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:OIUOIU@OIU.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>OIUOIU@OIU.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> wrote =
in message=20
</FONT><A href=3D"news:476db9d5$1@linux"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>news:476db9d5$1@linux</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> OK, =
look, here's=20
the way you do it... if you go to the topbar<BR>> menu & select:=20
Devices/VST Connections & select<BR>> either the "Inputs" or =
"Outputs"=20
tab, you'll se a little teeny<BR>> black window in the upper area =
that says=20
"presets"; it has<BR>> several stock presets that you can load using =
the=20
drop-down<BR>> arrow on the right-hand side of that, but what you =
want to=20
do<BR>> is note the little - even teensier - folder icon with the=20
plus<BR>> sign, just to the right of the little presets =
windowette...<BR>>=20
THAT's how you save your i/o preset templates.<BR>> <BR>> Make one =
for=20
88.2k first, ensuring that your clock is set to<BR>> 88.2 so you see =
all the=20
lightpipe ports, name everything the<BR>> way you want on the Input =
side=20
(tab), then click the little<BR>> folder icon with the plus sign in =
it, and=20
save it as: "88k<BR>> Insies" or whatever makes sense to you, then go =
over to=20
the<BR>> Output tab & name everything the way you want, repeat=20
the<BR>> folder icon save procedure & name it "88k Outsies" or =
what=20
have<BR>> you... THEN reclock to 44.1k. At this point, of course,=20
your<BR>> lightpipe i/o's will collapse down & you can refresh =
the=20
i/o's<BR>> under "Devices/Device Setup", then look down the list for=20
VST<BR>> inputs & VST outputs - go to each one & hit "reset". =
(in=20
fact,<BR>> you may want to do this even before you do the 88.2k =
i/o<BR>>=20
template - i keep forgetting you're not exclusively on 88.2, so<BR>> =
you may=20
have to reset/refresh before you start, just to make<BR>> sure you're =
seeing=20
all of them).<BR>> <BR>> OK, once you've done that at 44.1k, start =
naming=20
your i/o's for<BR>> the 44.1k versions of what you just saved, as=20
described<BR>> above... then save one for the Input side & one =
under=20
the<BR>> output tab, each with it's own name, appropriately.<BR>> =
<BR>>=20
And there you have it!!!!!!!!! No muss, no fuss, no =
dual-<BR>>=20
partitioning needed. ALl you'll have to make sure you do is to<BR>> =
refresh=20
your VST connections each time you go between a 44.1k<BR>> project =
& an=20
88.2k one, then pull up the your saved i/o<BR>> templates!<BR>> =
<BR>>=20
Neil<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> "Deej" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:noway@jose.org"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>noway@jose.org</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Wait!!!.....I'm not talking =
about the=20
I/O assignments, I'm talking about<BR>> =3D<BR>>>I/O names and =
whether or=20
not they are hidden or not in the device=20
=3D<BR>>>manager.............oh..nevermind........ </FONT></BODY></H=
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Neil
Messages: 1645
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Deej, but if you're clocked at 88.2k, those extra ports won't
even show up once you hit "reset" on your VST Inputs & Outputs.
I think this might be the issue in this case... you need to
refresh those i/o's & it'll detect the clockspeed & slice your
ADAT's in half - again, unless I'm just not understanding what
you're trying to accomplish.
Neil
"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>
>
>Hey Neil,
>
>I get what you're saying and I do use the presets, but what I'm talking
=
>about is completely different. the following is what I'm unhappy about:
>
>Navigate to:
>
>Devices>Device Setup>VST Audio System>ASIO Hammerfall DSP
>
>On the right is the screen where you choose to enable/disable direct =
>monitoring. Below that is where the I/O ports are shown. the port system
=
>name is shown and to it's right you can name the port in the Show As =
>column. The Show As names cannot be saved in an 88.2 template and a =
>44.1 template. No matter what template you save, the names in the Show =
>As column and any ports you might want to choose to hide because you =
>aren't using them in 44.1 mode (MF ADAT ports 4-8 and and MADI ports =
>33-64 when using 88.2 and MADI ADAT ports 9-16 and 25 through 32 when =
>using 44.1 in my particular situation) will carry over no matter what =
>the template/sample rate you save/use. Well, if I'm working at 44.1, =
>I've got all these ports showing up that I want to hide because they are
=
>of no possible use to me, they have double names because some of them =
>correlate to totally different ports at 88.2 and they just tend to =
>clutter up the I/O configurations that I want to be able to create =
>quickly.
>
>Using a dual boot system, one strictly for 44.1 and the other for 88.2 =
>would solve this completely....and it's the only way I can see that =
>would do this.
>
>Regards,
>
>Deej
>
>
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:476db9d5$1@linux...
>>=20
>> OK, look, here's the way you do it... if you go to the topbar
>> menu & select: Devices/VST Connections & select
>> either the "Inputs" or "Outputs" tab, you'll se a little teeny
>> black window in the upper area that says "presets"; it has
>> several stock presets that you can load using the drop-down
>> arrow on the right-hand side of that, but what you want to do
>> is note the little - even teensier - folder icon with the plus
>> sign, just to the right of the little presets windowette...
>> THAT's how you save your i/o preset templates.
>>=20
>> Make one for 88.2k first, ensuring that your clock is set to
>> 88.2 so you see all the lightpipe ports, name everything the
>> way you want on the Input side (tab), then click the little
>> folder icon with the plus sign in it, and save it as: "88k
>> Insies" or whatever makes sense to you, then go over to the
>> Output tab & name everything the way you want, repeat the
>> folder icon save procedure & name it "88k Outsies" or what have
>> you... THEN reclock to 44.1k. At this point, of course, your
>> lightpipe i/o's will collapse down & you can refresh the i/o's
>> under "Devices/Device Setup", then look down the list for VST
>> inputs & VST outputs - go to each one & hit "reset". (in fact,
>> you may want to do this even before you do the 88.2k i/o
>> template - i keep forgetting you're not exclusively on 88.2, so
>> you may have to reset/refresh before you start, just to make
>> sure you're seeing all of them).
>>=20
>> OK, once you've done that at 44.1k, start naming your i/o's for
>> the 44.1k versions of what you just saved, as described
>> above... then save one for the Input side & one under the
>> output tab, each with it's own name, appropriately.
>>=20
>> And there you have it!!!!!!!!! No muss, no fuss, no dual-
>> partitioning needed. ALl you'll have to make sure you do is to
>> refresh your VST connections each time you go between a 44.1k
>> project & an 88.2k one, then pull up the your saved i/o
>> templates!
>>=20
>> Neil
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Wait!!!.....I'm not talking about the I/O assignments, I'm talking =
>about
>> =3D
>>>I/O names and whether or not they are hidden or not in the device =3D
>>>manager.............oh..nevermind........
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hey Neil,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I get what you're saying and I do use =
>the presets,=20
>but what I'm talking about is completely different. the =
>following is=20
>what I'm unhappy about:</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Navigate to:</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Devices>Device Setup>VST Audio =
>System>ASIO=20
>Hammerfall DSP</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On the right is the screen where you =
>choose to=20
>enable/disable direct monitoring. Below that is where the I/O ports are
=
>shown.=20
>the port system name is shown and to it's right you can name the =
>port in=20
>the <STRONG>S<EM>how As</EM></STRONG> column. The <EM><STRONG>Show=20
>As</STRONG></EM> names cannot be saved in an 88.2 template and a =
>44.1=20
>template. No matter what template you save, the names in the =
><EM><STRONG>Show=20
>As</STRONG></EM> column and any ports you might want to choose to hide =
>because=20
>you aren't using them in 44.1 mode (MF ADAT ports 4-8 and and MADI ports
=
>33-64=20
>when using 88.2 and MADI ADAT ports 9-16 and 25 through 32 when using =
>44.1 in my=20
>particular situation) will carry over no matter what the template/sample
=
>rate=20
>you save/use. Well, if I'm working at 44.1, I've got all these =
>ports=20
>showing up that I want to hide because they are of no possible use to =
>me, they=20
>have double names because some of them correlate to totally different =
>ports at=20
>88.2 and they just tend to clutter up the I/O configurations that I want
=
>to be=20
>able to create quickly.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Using a dual boot system, one strictly
=
>for 44.1 and=20
>the other for 88.2 would solve this completely....and it's the only way
=
>I can=20
>see that would do this.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej</FONT></DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Neil" <</FONT><A=20
>href=3D"mailto:OIUOIU@OIU.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>size=3D2>OIUOIU@OIU.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> wrote =
>in message=20
></FONT><A href=3D"news:476db9d5$1@linux"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>size=3D2>news:476db9d5$1@linux</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
>size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> OK, =
>look, here's=20
>the way you do it... if you go to the topbar<BR>> menu & select:=20
>Devices/VST Connections & select<BR>> either the "Inputs" or =
>"Outputs"=20
>tab, you'll se a little teeny<BR>> black window in the upper area =
>that says=20
>"presets"; it has<BR>> several stock presets that you can load using =
>the=20
>drop-down<BR>> arrow on the right-hand side of that, but what you =
>want to=20
>do<BR>> is note the little - even teensier - folder icon with the=20
>plus<BR>> sign, just to the right of the little presets =
>windowette...<BR>>=20
>THAT's how you save your i/o preset templates.<BR>> <BR>> Make one =
>for=20
>88.2k first, ensuring that your clock is set to<BR>> 88.2 so you see =
>all the=20
>lightpipe ports, name everything the<BR>> way you want on the Input =
>side=20
>(tab), then click the little<BR>> folder icon with the plus sign in =
>it, and=20
>save it as: "88k<BR>> Insies" or whatever makes sense to you, then go =
>over to=20
>the<BR>> Output tab & name everything the way you want, repeat=20
>the<BR>> folder icon save procedure & name it "88k Outsies" or =
>what=20
>have<BR>> you... THEN reclock to 44.1k. At this point, of course,=20
>your<BR>> lightpipe i/o's will collapse down & you can refresh =
>the=20
>i/o's<BR>> under "Devices/Device Setup", then look down the list for=20
>VST<BR>> inputs & VST outputs - go to each one & hit "reset". =
>(in=20
>fact,<BR>> you may want to do this even before you do the 88.2k =
>i/o<BR>>=20
>template - i keep forgetting you're not exclusively on 88.2, so<BR>> =
>you may=20
>have to reset/refresh before you start, just to make<BR>> sure you're =
>seeing=20
>all of them).<BR>> <BR>> OK, once you've done that at 44.1k, start =
>naming=20
>your i/o's for<BR>> the 44.1k versions of what you just saved, as=20
>described<BR>> above... then save one for the Input side & one =
>under=20
>the<BR>> output tab, each with it's own name, appropriately.<BR>> =
><BR>>=20
>And there you have it!!!!!!!!! No muss, no fuss, no =
>dual-<BR>>=20
>partitioning needed. ALl you'll have to make sure you do is to<BR>> =
>refresh=20
>your VST connections each time you go between a 44.1k<BR>> project =
>& an=20
>88.2k one, then pull up the your saved i/o<BR>> templates!<BR>> =
><BR>>=20
>Neil<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> "Deej" <</FONT><A=20
>href=3D"mailto:noway@jose.org"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>size=3D2>noway@jose.org</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>=20
>wrote:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Wait!!!.....I'm not talking =
>about the=20
>I/O assignments, I'm talking about<BR>> =3D<BR>>>I/O names and =
>whether or=20
>not they are hidden or not in the device=20
>=3D<BR>>>manager.............oh..nevermind........</FONT ></BODY></H=
>TML>
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| Re: my next fun endeavor - Deej, here's your answer [message #93905 is a reply to message #93904] |
Sat, 22 December 2007 22:11 |
Deej
Messages: 130
Registered: September 2006
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Senior Member |
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"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:476dfa44$1@linux...
>
> Deej, but if you're clocked at 88.2k, those extra ports won't
> even show up once you hit "reset" on your VST Inputs & Outputs.
> I think this might be the issue in this case... you need to
> refresh those i/o's & it'll detect the clockspeed & slice your
> ADAT's in half - again, unless I'm just not understanding what
> you're trying to accomplish.
>
> Neil
No matter whether you refresh or not, the double names will have to be used
and if you hide any unnecessary ports between #'s 1 & 32, in one or the
other config, your physical I/O will not line up properly unless you go back
into the menu and reset them to be shown. It's a royal PITA.
;o)
>
> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Hey Neil,
>>
>>I get what you're saying and I do use the presets, but what I'm talking
> =
>>about is completely different. the following is what I'm unhappy about:
>>
>>Navigate to:
>>
>>Devices>Device Setup>VST Audio System>ASIO Hammerfall DSP
>>
>>On the right is the screen where you choose to enable/disable direct =
>>monitoring. Below that is where the I/O ports are shown. the port system
> =
>>name is shown and to it's right you can name the port in the Show As =
>>column. The Show As names cannot be saved in an 88.2 template and a =
>>44.1 template. No matter what template you save, the names in the Show =
>>As column and any ports you might want to choose to hide because you =
>>aren't using them in 44.1 mode (MF ADAT ports 4-8 and and MADI ports =
>>33-64 when using 88.2 and MADI ADAT ports 9-16 and 25 through 32 when =
>>using 44.1 in my particular situation) will carry over no matter what =
>>the template/sample rate you save/use. Well, if I'm working at 44.1, =
>>I've got all these ports showing up that I want to hide because they are
> =
>>of no possible use to me, they have double names because some of them =
>>correlate to totally different ports at 88.2 and they just tend to =
>>clutter up the I/O configurations that I want to be able to create =
>>quickly.
>>
>>Using a dual boot system, one strictly for 44.1 and the other for 88.2 =
>>would solve this completely....and it's the only way I can see that =
>>would do this.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>>
>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:476db9d5$1@linux...
>>>=20
>>> OK, look, here's the way you do it... if you go to the topbar
>>> menu & select: Devices/VST Connections & select
>>> either the "Inputs" or "Outputs" tab, you'll se a little teeny
>>> black window in the upper area that says "presets"; it has
>>> several stock presets that you can load using the drop-down
>>> arrow on the right-hand side of that, but what you want to do
>>> is note the little - even teensier - folder icon with the plus
>>> sign, just to the right of the little presets windowette...
>>> THAT's how you save your i/o preset templates.
>>>=20
>>> Make one for 88.2k first, ensuring that your clock is set to
>>> 88.2 so you see all the lightpipe ports, name everything the
>>> way you want on the Input side (tab), then click the little
>>> folder icon with the plus sign in it, and save it as: "88k
>>> Insies" or whatever makes sense to you, then go over to the
>>> Output tab & name everything the way you want, repeat the
>>> folder icon save procedure & name it "88k Outsies" or what have
>>> you... THEN reclock to 44.1k. At this point, of course, your
>>> lightpipe i/o's will collapse down & you can refresh the i/o's
>>> under "Devices/Device Setup", then look down the list for VST
>>> inputs & VST outputs - go to each one & hit "reset". (in fact,
>>> you may want to do this even before you do the 88.2k i/o
>>> template - i keep forgetting you're not exclusively on 88.2, so
>>> you may have to reset/refresh before you start, just to make
>>> sure you're seeing all of them).
>>>=20
>>> OK, once you've done that at 44.1k, start naming your i/o's for
>>> the 44.1k versions of what you just saved, as described
>>> above... then save one for the Input side & one under the
>>> output tab, each with it's own name, appropriately.
>>>=20
>>> And there you have it!!!!!!!!! No muss, no fuss, no dual-
>>> partitioning needed. ALl you'll have to make sure you do is to
>>> refresh your VST connections each time you go between a 44.1k
>>> project & an 88.2k one, then pull up the your saved i/o
>>> templates!
>>>=20
>>> Neil
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Wait!!!.....I'm not talking about the I/O assignments, I'm talking =
>>about
>>> =3D
>>>>I/O names and whether or not they are hidden or not in the device =3D
>>>>manager.............oh..nevermind........
>>
>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>><HTML><HEAD>
>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.16587" name=3DGENERATOR>
>><STYLE></STYLE>
>></HEAD>
>><BODY>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hey Neil,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I get what you're saying and I do use =
>>the presets,=20
>>but what I'm talking about is completely different. the =
>>following is=20
>>what I'm unhappy about:</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Navigate to:</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Devices>Device Setup>VST Audio =
>>System>ASIO=20
>>Hammerfall DSP</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On the right is the screen where you =
>>choose to=20
>>enable/disable direct monitoring. Below that is where the I/O ports are
> =
>>shown.=20
>>the port system name is shown and to it's right you can name the =
>>port in=20
>>the <STRONG>S<EM>how As</EM></STRONG> column. The <EM><STRONG>Show=20
>>As</STRONG></EM> names cannot be saved in an 88.2 template and a =
>>44.1=20
>>template. No matter what template you save, the names in the =
>><EM><STRONG>Show=20
>>As</STRONG></EM> column and any ports you might want to choose to hide =
>>because=20
>>you aren't using them in 44.1 mode (MF ADAT ports 4-8 and and MADI ports
> =
>>33-64=20
>>when using 88.2 and MADI ADAT ports 9-16 and 25 through 32 when using =
>>44.1 in my=20
>>particular situation) will carry over no matter what the template/sample
> =
>>rate=20
>>you save/use. Well, if I'm working at 44.1, I've got all these =
>>ports=20
>>showing up that I want to hide because they are of no possible use to =
>>me, they=20
>>have double names because some of them correlate to totally different =
>>ports at=20
>>88.2 and they just tend to clutter up the I/O configurations that I want
> =
>>to be=20
>>able to create quickly.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Using a dual boot system, one strictly
> =
>>for 44.1 and=20
>>the other for 88.2 would solve this completely....and it's the only way
> =
>>I can=20
>>see that would do this.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Neil" <</FONT><A=20
>>href=3D"mailto:OIUOIU@OIU.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>size=3D2>OIUOIU@OIU.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> wrote =
>>in message=20
>></FONT><A href=3D"news:476db9d5$1@linux"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>size=3D2>news:476db9d5$1@linux</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> OK, =
>>look, here's=20
>>the way you do it... if you go to the topbar<BR>> menu & select:=20
>>Devices/VST Connections & select<BR>> either the "Inputs" or =
>>"Outputs"=20
>>tab, you'll se a little teeny<BR>> black window in the upper area =
>>that says=20
>>"presets"; it has<BR>> several stock presets that you can load using =
>>the=20
>>drop-down<BR>> arrow on the right-hand side of that, but what you =
>>want to=20
>>do<BR>> is note the little - even teensier - folder icon with the=20
>>plus<BR>> sign, just to the right of the little presets =
>>windowette...<BR>>=20
>>THAT's how you save your i/o preset templates.<BR>> <BR>> Make one =
>>for=20
>>88.2k first, ensuring that your clock is set to<BR>> 88.2 so you see =
>>all the=20
>>lightpipe ports, name everything the<BR>> way you want on the Input =
>>side=20
>>(tab), then click the little<BR>> folder icon with the plus sign in =
>>it, and=20
>>save it as: "88k<BR>> Insies" or whatever makes sense to you, then go =
>>over to=20
>>the<BR>> Output tab & name everything the way you want, repeat=20
>>the<BR>> folder icon save procedure & name it "88k Outsies" or =
>>what=20
>>have<BR>> you... THEN reclock to 44.1k. At this point, of course,=20
>>your<BR>> lightpipe i/o's will collapse down & you can refresh =
>>the=20
>>i/o's<BR>> under "Devices/Device Setup", then look down the list for=20
>>VST<BR>> inputs & VST outputs - go to each one & hit "reset". =
>>(in=20
>>fact,<BR>> you may want to do this even before you do the 88.2k =
>>i/o<BR>>=20
>>template - i keep forgetting you're not exclusively on 88.2, so<BR>> =
>>you may=20
>>have to reset/refresh before you start, just to make<BR>> sure you're =
>>seeing=20
>>all of them).<BR>> <BR>> OK, once you've done that at 44.1k, start =
>>naming=20
>>your i/o's for<BR>> the 44.1k versions of what you just saved, as=20
>>described<BR>> above... then save one for the Input side & one =
>>under=20
>>the<BR>> output tab, each with it's own name, appropriately.<BR>> =
>><BR>>=20
>>And there you have it!!!!!!!!! No muss, no fuss, no =
>>dual-<BR>>=20
>>partitioning needed. ALl you'll have to make sure you do is to<BR>> =
>>refresh=20
>>your VST connections each time you go between a 44.1k<BR>> project =
>>& an=20
>>88.2k one, then pull up the your saved i/o<BR>> templates!<BR>> =
>><BR>>=20
>>Neil<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> "Deej" <</FONT><A=20
>>href=3D"mailto:noway@jose.org"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>size=3D2>noway@jose.org</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>=20
>>wrote:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Wait!!!.....I'm not talking =
>>about the=20
>>I/O assignments, I'm talking about<BR>> =3D<BR>>>I/O names and =
>>whether or=20
>>not they are hidden or not in the device=20
>>=3D<BR>>>manager.............oh..nevermind........</FONT ></BODY></H=
>>TML>
>>
>>
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| Re: my next fun endeavor - Deej, here's your answer [message #93927 is a reply to message #93905] |
Sun, 23 December 2007 18:21 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Senior Member |
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Heck, I have no idea, then. Hey, did u get a chance to listen
to the Portico Tape Sim clip I posted?
Neil
"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:476dfa44$1@linux...
>>
>> Deej, but if you're clocked at 88.2k, those extra ports won't
>> even show up once you hit "reset" on your VST Inputs & Outputs.
>> I think this might be the issue in this case... you need to
>> refresh those i/o's & it'll detect the clockspeed & slice your
>> ADAT's in half - again, unless I'm just not understanding what
>> you're trying to accomplish.
>>
>> Neil
>
>
>No matter whether you refresh or not, the double names will have to be used
>and if you hide any unnecessary ports between #'s 1 & 32, in one or the
>other config, your physical I/O will not line up properly unless you go
back
>into the menu and reset them to be shown. It's a royal PITA.
>;o)
>
>>
>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Hey Neil,
>>>
>>>I get what you're saying and I do use the presets, but what I'm talking
>> =
>>>about is completely different. the following is what I'm unhappy about:
>>>
>>>Navigate to:
>>>
>>>Devices>Device Setup>VST Audio System>ASIO Hammerfall DSP
>>>
>>>On the right is the screen where you choose to enable/disable direct =
>>>monitoring. Below that is where the I/O ports are shown. the port system
>> =
>>>name is shown and to it's right you can name the port in the Show As =
>>>column. The Show As names cannot be saved in an 88.2 template and a =
>>>44.1 template. No matter what template you save, the names in the Show
=
>>>As column and any ports you might want to choose to hide because you =
>>>aren't using them in 44.1 mode (MF ADAT ports 4-8 and and MADI ports =
>>>33-64 when using 88.2 and MADI ADAT ports 9-16 and 25 through 32 when
=
>>>using 44.1 in my particular situation) will carry over no matter what
=
>>>the template/sample rate you save/use. Well, if I'm working at 44.1,
=
>>>I've got all these ports showing up that I want to hide because they are
>> =
>>>of no possible use to me, they have double names because some of them
=
>>>correlate to totally different ports at 88.2 and they just tend to =
>>>clutter up the I/O configurations that I want to be able to create =
>>>quickly.
>>>
>>>Using a dual boot system, one strictly for 44.1 and the other for 88.2
=
>>>would solve this completely....and it's the only way I can see that =
>>>would do this.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:476db9d5$1@linux...
>>>>=20
>>>> OK, look, here's the way you do it... if you go to the topbar
>>>> menu & select: Devices/VST Connections & select
>>>> either the "Inputs" or "Outputs" tab, you'll se a little teeny
>>>> black window in the upper area that says "presets"; it has
>>>> several stock presets that you can load using the drop-down
>>>> arrow on the right-hand side of that, but what you want to do
>>>> is note the little - even teensier - folder icon with the plus
>>>> sign, just to the right of the little presets windowette...
>>>> THAT's how you save your i/o preset templates.
>>>>=20
>>>> Make one for 88.2k first, ensuring that your clock is set to
>>>> 88.2 so you see all the lightpipe ports, name everything the
>>>> way you want on the Input side (tab), then click the little
>>>> folder icon with the plus sign in it, and save it as: "88k
>>>> Insies" or whatever makes sense to you, then go over to the
>>>> Output tab & name everything the way you want, repeat the
>>>> folder icon save procedure & name it "88k Outsies" or what have
>>>> you... THEN reclock to 44.1k. At this point, of course, your
>>>> lightpipe i/o's will collapse down & you can refresh the i/o's
>>>> under "Devices/Device Setup", then look down the list for VST
>>>> inputs & VST outputs - go to each one & hit "reset". (in fact,
>>>> you may want to do this even before you do the 88.2k i/o
>>>> template - i keep forgetting you're not exclusively on 88.2, so
>>>> you may have to reset/refresh before you start, just to make
>>>> sure you're seeing all of them).
>>>>=20
>>>> OK, once you've done that at 44.1k, start naming your i/o's for
>>>> the 44.1k versions of what you just saved, as described
>>>> above... then save one for the Input side & one under the
>>>> output tab, each with it's own name, appropriately.
>>>>=20
>>>> And there you have it!!!!!!!!! No muss, no fuss, no dual-
>>>> partitioning needed. ALl you'll have to make sure you do is to
>>>> refresh your VST connections each time you go between a 44.1k
>>>> project & an 88.2k one, then pull up the your saved i/o
>>>> templates!
>>>>=20
>>>> Neil
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Wait!!!.....I'm not talking about the I/O assignments, I'm talking =
>>>about
>>>> =3D
>>>>>I/O names and whether or not they are hidden or not in the device =3D
>>>>>manager.............oh..nevermind........
>>>
>>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>><HTML><HEAD>
>>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.16587" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>><STYLE></STYLE>
>>></HEAD>
>>><BODY>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hey Neil,</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I get what you're saying and I do use
=
>>>the presets,=20
>>>but what I'm talking about is completely different. the =
>>>following is=20
>>>what I'm unhappy about:</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Navigate to:</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Devices>Device Setup>VST Audio =
>>>System>ASIO=20
>>>Hammerfall DSP</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On the right is the screen where you
=
>>>choose to=20
>>>enable/disable direct monitoring. Below that is where the I/O ports are
>> =
>>>shown.=20
>>>the port system name is shown and to it's right you can name the =
>>>port in=20
>>>the <STRONG>S<EM>how As</EM></STRONG> column. The <EM><STRONG>Show=20
>>>As</STRONG></EM> names cannot be saved in an 88.2 template and a =
>>>44.1=20
>>>template. No matter what template you save, the names in the =
>>><EM><STRONG>Show=20
>>>As</STRONG></EM> column and any ports you might want to choose to hide
=
>>>because=20
>>>you aren't using them in 44.1 mode (MF ADAT ports 4-8 and and MADI ports
>> =
>>>33-64=20
>>>when using 88.2 and MADI ADAT ports 9-16 and 25 through 32 when using
=
>>>44.1 in my=20
>>>particular situation) will carry over no matter what the template/sample
>> =
>>>rate=20
>>>you save/use. Well, if I'm working at 44.1, I've got all these =
>>>ports=20
>>>showing up that I want to hide because they are of no possible use to
=
>>>me, they=20
>>>have double names because some of them correlate to totally different
=
>>>ports at=20
>>>88.2 and they just tend to clutter up the I/O configurations that I want
>> =
>>>to be=20
>>>able to create quickly.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Using a dual boot system, one strictly
>> =
>>>for 44.1 and=20
>>>the other for 88.2 would solve this completely....and it's the only way
>> =
>>>I can=20
>>>see that would do this.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Neil" <</FONT><A=20
>>>href=3D"mailto:OIUOIU@OIU.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>>size=3D2>OIUOIU@OIU.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> wrote
=
>>>in message=20
>>></FONT><A href=3D"news:476db9d5$1@linux"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>>size=3D2>news:476db9d5$1@linux</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>>size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> OK, =
>>>look, here's=20
>>>the way you do it... if you go to the topbar<BR>> menu & select:=20
>>>Devices/VST Connections & select<BR>> either the "Inputs" or =
>>>"Outputs"=20
>>>tab, you'll se a little teeny<BR>> black window in the upper area =
>>>that says=20
>>>"presets"; it has<BR>> several stock presets that you can load using =
>>>the=20
>>>drop-down<BR>> arrow on the right-hand side of that, but what you =
>>>want to=20
>>>do<BR>> is note the little - even teensier - folder icon with the=20
>>>plus<BR>> sign, just to the right of the little presets =
>>>windowette...<BR>>=20
>>>THAT's how you save your i/o preset templates.<BR>> <BR>> Make one =
>>>for=20
>>>88.2k first, ensuring that your clock is set to<BR>> 88.2 so you see =
>>>all the=20
>>>lightpipe ports, name everything the<BR>> way you want on the Input =
>>>side=20
>>>(tab), then click the little<BR>> folder icon with the plus sign in =
>>>it, and=20
>>>save it as: "88k<BR>> Insies" or whatever makes sense to you, then go
=
>>>over to=20
>>>the<BR>> Output tab & name everything the way you want, repeat=20
>>>the<BR>> folder icon save procedure & name it "88k Outsies" or =
>>>what=20
>>>have<BR>> you... THEN reclock to 44.1k. At this point, of course,=20
>>>your<BR>> lightpipe i/o's will collapse down & you can refresh =
>>>the=20
>>>i/o's<BR>> under "Devices/Device Setup", then look down the list for=20
>>>VST<BR>> inputs & VST outputs - go to each one & hit "reset". =
>>>(in=20
>>>fact,<BR>> you may want to do this even before you do the 88.2k =
>>>i/o<BR>>=20
>>>template - i keep forgetting you're not exclusively on 88.2, so<BR>> =
>>>you may=20
>>>have to reset/refresh before you start, just to make<BR>> sure you're
=
>>>seeing=20
>>>all of them).<BR>> <BR>> OK, once you've done that at 44.1k, start =
>>>naming=20
>>>your i/o's for<BR>> the 44.1k versions of what you just saved, as=20
>>>described<BR>> above... then save one for the Input side & one =
>>>under=20
>>>the<BR>> output tab, each with it's own name, appropriately.<BR>> =
>>><BR>>=20
>>>And there you have it!!!!!!!!! No muss, no fuss, no =
>>>dual-<BR>>=20
>>>partitioning needed. ALl you'll have to make sure you do is to<BR>> =
>>>refresh=20
>>>your VST connections each time you go between a 44.1k<BR>> project =
>>>& an=20
>>>88.2k one, then pull up the your saved i/o<BR>> templates!<BR>> =
>>><BR>>=20
>>>Neil<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> "Deej" <</FONT><A=20
>>>href=3D"mailto:noway@jose.org"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>>size=3D2>noway@jose.org</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>=20
>>>wrote:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Wait!!!.....I'm not talking =
>>>about the=20
>>>I/O assignments, I'm talking about<BR>> =3D<BR>>>I/O names and =
>>>whether or=20
>>>not they are hidden or not in the device=20
>>>=3D<BR>>>manager.............oh..nevermind........</FONT ></BODY></H=
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