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Tue, 27 November 2007 21:32

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Does it matter if these are plugged in to the line somewhere between the
source and the preamp or is it best if they interface directly with the
female input of the pre?

thanks,

Deej

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Re: inline attenuators? [message #93144 is a reply to message #93143]

Tue, 27 November 2007 23:39

dc[3]
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Short cable length on the output of an attenuator is always good.

DC

"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>Does it matter if these are plugged in to the line somewhere between the

>source and the preamp or is it best if they interface directly with the

>female input of the pre?
>
>thanks,
>
>Deej
>
>

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Re: inline attenuators? [message #93148 is a reply to message #93144]

Wed, 28 November 2007 08:19

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Here's what Earthworks is recommending. there would be approximately 130' of
cable from the output of the pad to my preamp input

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Re: inline attenuators? [message #93163 is a reply to message #93148]

Wed, 28 November 2007 18:33

dc[3]
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I would try it in both locations and see if you hear a difference.

For many attenuators and transformers there is an advantage
to keeping the secondary short, but since I have no idea what
is actually in that little barrel, I can't say anything about it.

Looks interesting. Tell us how you like it.

DC

"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>Here's what Earthworks is recommending. there would be approximately 130'
of
>cable from the output of the pad to my preamp input
>
>
>

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Re: inline attenuators? [message #93164 is a reply to message #93143]

Wed, 28 November 2007 18:54

audioguy_editout_

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Keep in mind, this will only work for a dynamic mic... or a
remotely powered condenser. Phantom power would get screwed
up by the pad. That being said, pad at the pre for best
results.

David.

DJ wrote:

> Does it matter if these are plugged in to the line somewhere between the
> source and the preamp or is it best if they interface directly with the
> female input of the pre?
>
> thanks,
>
> Deej
>
>

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Re: inline attenuators? [message #93165 is a reply to message #93164]

Wed, 28 November 2007 19:06

Tom Bruhl

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I'm wondering why padding at the pre isn't always the way to go
unless you want the pre's gutsier sound wide open?
Tom
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Re: inline attenuators? [message #93166 is a reply to message #93165]

Wed, 28 November 2007 19:34

audioguy_editout_

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The stronger signal will travel better over distance with
less chance of noise or interference... then knock it down
at the last possible connection before the pre.

David.

Tom Bruhl wrote:

> I'm wondering why padding at the pre isn't always the way to go
> unless you want the pre's gutsier sound wide open?
> Tom
>
> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca
> <mailto:audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca>> wrote in message
> news:474e2ac7@linux...
> Keep in mind, this will only work for a dynamic mic... or a
> remotely powered condenser. Phantom power would get screwed
> up by the pad. That being said, pad at the pre for best
> results.
>
> David.
>
> DJ wrote:
>
> > Does it matter if these are plugged in to the line somewhere
> between the
> > source and the preamp or is it best if they interface directly
> with the
> > female input of the pre?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Deej
> >
> >
>
>
>
> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html

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Re: inline attenuators? [message #93167 is a reply to message #93166]

Wed, 28 November 2007 21:42

dc[3]
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"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>The stronger signal will travel better over distance with
>less chance of noise or interference... then knock it down
>at the last possible connection before the pre.
>
>David.

I read the Earthworks page on it, and they did not say it was an
attenuator. If it is, then the above is true. I would like to know
what it actually is. BTW, they did say you could use it with
condensors, so it must pass phantom.

hmmm

DC

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Re: inline attenuators? [message #93168 is a reply to message #93166]

Wed, 28 November 2007 20:58

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http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/Accessories/us_pro_A1 5AS_content

Dave,

This is what I use. they work fine with normal phantom power. I have tried
them with bot an AKG C460B and an Oktava MK012 with no problems. I'm not
sure what A-B condenser powering is, but these are not recommended for that.

"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:474e3430@linux...
> The stronger signal will travel better over distance with less chance of
> noise or interference... then knock it down at the last possible
> connection before the pre.
>
> David.
>
> Tom Bruhl wrote:
>
>> I'm wondering why padding at the pre isn't always the way to go
>> unless you want the pre's gutsier sound wide open?
>> Tom
>>
>> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca
>> <mailto:audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca>> wrote in message
>> news:474e2ac7@linux...
>> Keep in mind, this will only work for a dynamic mic... or a
>> remotely powered condenser. Phantom power would get screwed
>> up by the pad. That being said, pad at the pre for best
>> results.
>>
>> David.
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>
>> > Does it matter if these are plugged in to the line somewhere
>> between the
>> > source and the preamp or is it best if they interface directly
>> with the
>> > female input of the pre?
>> >
>> > thanks,
>> >
>> > Deej
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html

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Re: inline attenuators? [message #93172 is a reply to message #93168]

Thu, 29 November 2007 05:12

Don Nafe

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RE: the shure in line attenuator

I've used them and they work well work well placed right before the pre amp
after a long (50') run

"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message
news:474e4833@linux...
> http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/Accessories/us_pro_A1 5AS_content
>
> Dave,
>
> This is what I use. they work fine with normal phantom power. I have tried
> them with bot an AKG C460B and an Oktava MK012 with no problems. I'm not
> sure what A-B condenser powering is, but these are not recommended for
> that.
>
>
>
> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:474e3430@linux...
>> The stronger signal will travel better over distance with less chance of
>> noise or interference... then knock it down at the last possible
>> connection before the pre.
>>
>> David.
>>
>> Tom Bruhl wrote:
>>
>>> I'm wondering why padding at the pre isn't always the way to go
>>> unless you want the pre's gutsier sound wide open?
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca
>>> <mailto:audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca>> wrote in message
>>> news:474e2ac7@linux...
>>> Keep in mind, this will only work for a dynamic mic... or a
>>> remotely powered condenser. Phantom power would get screwed
>>> up by the pad. That being said, pad at the pre for best
>>> results.
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>> DJ wrote:
>>>
>>> > Does it matter if these are plugged in to the line somewhere
>>> between the
>>> > source and the preamp or is it best if they interface directly
>>> with the
>>> > female input of the pre?
>>> >
>>> > thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Deej
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>
>

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Re: inline attenuators? [message #93174 is a reply to message #93172]

Thu, 29 November 2007 06:32

Cujjo

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Anyone using these?
http://www.adesignsaudio.com/atty.htm

I know it's not the same thing..but just wondering.

I'd also like to know how that earthhworks thang sounds.

"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>RE: the shure in line attenuator
>
>I've used them and they work well work well placed right before the pre
amp
>after a long (50') run
>
>
>"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message
>news:474e4833@linux...
>> http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/Accessories/us_pro_A1 5AS_content
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> This is what I use. they work fine with normal phantom power. I have tried

>> them with bot an AKG C460B and an Oktava MK012 with no problems. I'm not

>> sure what A-B condenser powering is, but these are not recommended for

>> that.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:474e3430@linux...
>>> The stronger signal will travel better over distance with less chance
of
>>> noise or interference... then knock it down at the last possible
>>> connection before the pre.
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>> Tom Bruhl wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm wondering why padding at the pre isn't always the way to go
>>>> unless you want the pre's gutsier sound wide open?
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca
>>>> <mailto:audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca>> wrote in message
>>>> news:474e2ac7@linux...
>>>> Keep in mind, this will only work for a dynamic mic... or a
>>>> remotely powered condenser. Phantom power would get screwed
>>>> up by the pad. That being said, pad at the pre for best
>>>> results.
>>>>
>>>> David.
>>>>
>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Does it matter if these are plugged in to the line somewhere
>>>> between the
>>>> > source and the preamp or is it best if they interface directly
>>>> with the
>>>> > female input of the pre?
>>>> >
>>>> > thanks,
>>>> >
>>>> > Deej
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>
>>
>
>

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Re: inline attenuators? [message #93177 is a reply to message #93174]

Thu, 29 November 2007 10:18

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I've heard som great reviews of these by actual users. Lynn fuston over on
3dB uses them and he's pretty picky about fidelity. I talked to the
designer, Peter Montessi, on the phone last night. I'll probably be ordering
one of these myself. My NHT PVC's are getting kind of old and I'm starting
to hear some image shift to the left when I monitor at low volumes.

I ordered the A-Designs REDDI from Peter last night. I've started playing a
bit of bass here and from all reports this thing is the ultimate bass DI.
Peter indicated that he voiced the circuit on a "golden" B-15N. I have a
nice (maybe not golden) B-15N here so I'm going to A/B them.

;o)

"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:474ebf68@linux...
>
>
> Anyone using these?
> http://www.adesignsaudio.com/atty.htm
>
> I know it's not the same thing..but just wondering.
>
> I'd also like to know how that earthhworks thang sounds.
>
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>RE: the shure in line attenuator
>>
>>I've used them and they work well work well placed right before the pre
> amp
>>after a long (50') run
>>
>>
>>"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message
>>news:474e4833@linux...
>>> http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/Accessories/us_pro_A1 5AS_content
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>> This is what I use. they work fine with normal phantom power. I have
>>> tried
>
>>> them with bot an AKG C460B and an Oktava MK012 with no problems. I'm not
>
>>> sure what A-B condenser powering is, but these are not recommended for
>
>>> that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:474e3430@linux...
>>>> The stronger signal will travel better over distance with less chance
> of
>>>> noise or interference... then knock it down at the last possible
>>>> connection before the pre.
>>>>
>>>> David.
>>>>
>>>> Tom Bruhl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm wondering why padding at the pre isn't always the way to go
>>>>> unless you want the pre's gutsier sound wide open?
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca
>>>>> <mailto:audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca>> wrote in message
>>>>> news:474e2ac7@linux...
>>>>> Keep in mind, this will only work for a dynamic mic... or a
>>>>> remotely powered condenser. Phantom power would get screwed
>>>>> up by the pad. That being said, pad at the pre for best
>>>>> results.
>>>>>
>>>>> David.
>>>>>
>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Does it matter if these are plugged in to the line somewhere
>>>>> between the
>>>>> > source and the preamp or is it best if they interface directly
>>>>> with the
>>>>> > female input of the pre?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > thanks,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Deej
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>>>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: inline attenuators? [message #93178 is a reply to message #93168]

Thu, 29 November 2007 10:45

EK Sound

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They WILL affect phantom, maybe not much, but there will be a voltage
drop across the pad that will reduce the dynamic range of the mic.

David.

DJ wrote:
> http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/Accessories/us_pro_A1 5AS_content
>
> Dave,
>
> This is what I use. they work fine with normal phantom power. I have tried
> them with bot an AKG C460B and an Oktava MK012 with no problems. I'm not
> sure what A-B condenser powering is, but these are not recommended for that.
>
>
>
> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:474e3430@linux...
>
>>The stronger signal will travel better over distance with less chance of
>>noise or interference... then knock it down at the last possible
>>connection before the pre.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>Tom Bruhl wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'm wondering why padding at the pre isn't always the way to go
>>>unless you want the pre's gutsier sound wide open?
>>>Tom
>>>
>>> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca
>>> <mailto:audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca>> wrote in message
>>> news:474e2ac7@linux...
>>> Keep in mind, this will only work for a dynamic mic... or a
>>> remotely powered condenser. Phantom power would get screwed
>>> up by the pad. That being said, pad at the pre for best
>>> results.
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>> DJ wrote:
>>>
>>> > Does it matter if these are plugged in to the line somewhere
>>> between the
>>> > source and the preamp or is it best if they interface directly
>>> with the
>>> > female input of the pre?
>>> >
>>> > thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Deej
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>
>
>

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