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| Re: So now I'm building my new native DAW......... [message #61425 is a reply to message #61413] |
Fri, 16 December 2005 10:25   |
erlilo
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acoustical instruments, with excellency results. There's plenty
of hardware out there that can serve the music well, it's just to find it.
Erling
"Gantt Kushner" <gizmo@his.com> skrev i melding
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> The RNC is a great little box for the bucks. If you're talking about
> tracking
>
> thru compressors, I'd say this: I frequently (but not always) track
> vocals,
> bass, guitars and horns thru compressors, usually dbx 160X for vocs, UREI
> LA-4's for guitars and bass (although the 160X is nice for them too) and
> horns,
>
> then RNC (I have 3 of 'em). I never track drums thru compressors! Nor do
> I
> ever gate drums. I would always rather have the un-compressed drum tracks
> first, then compress as needed after. In fact, I frequently don't
> compress
> drums, even in the mix...
>
> Just my .02 worth.
>
> Gantt
>
> Sanbar wrote:
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>> I'm thinking about trying to get rid of as many software effects as
>> possible. Is the idea of buying 4-5 RNC Compressors for drums along with
>> a
>> couple of good compressors for vocals and bass a crazy idea. The goal is
>> to
>> get the signal close enough on the way in that any touch up can be done
>> with
>> Paris software thus eliminating the latency situations.
>>
>> I'm guessing that most would find this ludicrous, but if anyone is
>> succeeding with such an idea I would be curious.
>Yes, V1 is very bad... the newest revision of the MB works well.
David.
DJ wrote:
> Well, to begin with the mobo has an old revision of the bios which doesn't
> support dual core processors so it won't boot with my dual core CPU and I
> don't have a single core 64 CPU here to
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| Re: So now I'm building my new native DAW......... [message #61429 is a reply to message #61425] |
Fri, 16 December 2005 11:00 |
Deej [1]
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>> It's nearly four months since I got my A8V Deluxe board delivered with
>> the
>> correct revision for dual core, so I must say, if you buyed both dual
> core
>> processor and board from the same place as a package, they should know
>> better than sell you an old revision board that is good over a half year
>> old, that was made to use with a single core processor. My A8V package
>> was
>> marked well to show it's ready for Athlon X2 processors and I know the
> first
>> bios to work with X2 was version 1013 from 3th June 05. Hope you will
> figure
>> it out easily to update the bios.
>>
>> Erling
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i melding
>> news:43a2eccd$1@linux...
>> > Well, to begin with the mobo has an old revision of the bios which
> doesn't
>> > support dual core processors so it won't boot with my dual core CPU and
> I
>> > don't have a single core 64 CPU here to use to boot the machine so I
>> > can
>> > flash the bios. However, I believe I have figured out a way to outsmart
>> > it.
>> >
>> > stay tuned.
>> >
>> > "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43a29734$1@linux...
>> >> ...hmmm....stay tuned everyone, to pray for Deej. I think it's the
>> >> Asus
>> > A8V
>> >> Deluxe board he shall try out....
>> >> ....So, all together now, after me.....
>> >> ...."Don't let the AMI bios do any harm to Deej"....
>> >>
>> >> erlilo
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i melding
>> >> news:43a2714f@linux...
>> >> > stay tuned.....bitching and whining to be announced.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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>Hey John,
The Cd drive is not recognized under safe mode, but the hard drives are.
"Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message news:43a30f67@linux...
> Lance,
>
> Will it come up in safe mode with either optical drive installed? That
> could help narrow down the field on where the problem exists.
>
>
> JH
>
> Lance Reichert wrote:
> > Still no luck.
> >
> > I removed all Cd drivers, and there were too many.
> >
> > Restarted with the new DVD burner, same crash.
> > Checked the driver, it's the only one available.
> > Removed it under safe mo
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| Re: So now I'm building my new native DAW......... [message #61433 is a reply to message #61429] |
Fri, 16 December 2005 11:40 |
erlilo
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Hope this helps
JH
Lance Reichert wrote:
> 98 se
>
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> "Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message news:43a31b0f@linux...
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>>Lance,
>>
>>Just to verify, you're on '98? (plan of attack coming)
>>
>>JH
>>
>>Lance Reichert wrote:
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>>>Hey John,
>>>
>>>The Cd drive is not recognized under safe mode, but the hard drives are.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message
>
> news:43a30f67@linux...
>
>>>>Lance,
>>>>
>>>>Will it come up in safe mode with either optical drive installed? That
>>>>could help narrow down the field on where the problem exists.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>JH
>>>>
>>>>Lance Reichert wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Still no luck.
>>>>>
>>>>>I removed all Cd drivers, and there were too many.
>>>>>
>>>>>Restarted with the new DVD burner, same crash.
>>>>>Checked the driver, it's the only one available.
>>>>>Removed it under safe mode.
>>>>>
>>>>>Put in the original Cd burner - worked for 3 years until now.
>>>>>same crash. checked the driver . no problems there.
>>>>>
>>>>>Can't thank you guys enough for your help.
>>>>>Looks like I need more!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Lance
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>did you try mounting the disk on a prior boot then do restart then the
c command? jamie right about disk warrior though i've never tried
norton on a mac.
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:13:55 -0700, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Last night I was trying to get our Mac to boot to a Norton Utilities CD by
>holding down the *C* key. Wouldn't work, no way, nohow. Leave it to Mac to
>require a third party software to defrag a hard drive.This, along with the
>joy involved in doing simple things like copying files from a CD must be the
>isuck feature.
>
>;o)
>
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:mqd2q1588bo40rmprm2qloactqhc249ova@4ax.com...
>> yup...it's called iNoise.
>>
>> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:46:14 -0700, "DJ"
>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>> >news:43a0ae51$1@linux...
>> >> This sounds like a filtering issue, whether that be a bad ground shield
>in
>> >> the USB cable or a capacitor in the usb case or the computer. Betcha'
>you
>> >> have an EFI/RFI issue as a result.
>> >> AA
>> >>
>> >......or it could be a new Mac *feature*
>>
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| Re: So now I'm building my new native DAW......... [message #61465 is a reply to message #61460] |
Sat, 17 December 2005 07:16 |
excelav
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m_hard_drive_on_the_block/index.html" target="_blank"> http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/05/hyperos_dram_hard_dri ve_on_the_block/index.html
James"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote:
>Statistical, I think it was from the late '90 years, it showed up in an
>American examination that Mac users wasn't so good at school as PC
>users!?!?. I don't know but maybe PC users loves to find solutions on
>problems in the life where Mac users don't, because they don't want or know
>how to find out any solutions on problems!?!? As said I don't know, just
>speculations after I remembered reading the examination in a Swedish
>computer magazine from the last century. As said one more time, I don't
know
>if it's true. You see, I don't want any problems with fanatic, Macreligious
>users after writing this;-o)
>
>Camouflated as an unknown erlilo-writer:-)))
Yes, us mac guys are more stupider!
; )
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> skrev i melding
>news:43a41dc9$1@linux...
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>> I wonder if Mac users are going to have to deal with issues like this,
>> once
>> we have Intel inside??? What a PITA!
>>
>> James
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>Major suckage. The VIA AGP driver gets corrupted whenever I insert my
>>>Matrox
>>>G450 PCI card. It's a repeatable situation. Now.........do I really need
>>>this driver? That is the question.
>>>
>>>Hmmmm...........
>>>
>>>
>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>>news:43a3b023@linux...
>>>> Yep!!!.......definitely an issue with teh VIA 4in1 driver. Damn!!! I
>>>> hope
>>>> this isn't an incompatibility issue between the KT 800 and the Matrox
>>>> driver. I was sorta' thinking that this might be a friggin trainwreck.
>> The
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| Re: So now I'm building my new native DAW......... [message #61467 is a reply to message #61465] |
Sat, 17 December 2005 06:44 |
erlilo
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to the pan positions when used in anything other than the full right position.
The mix knob is supposed to be presonus answer to monitoring live inputs
with no latency. When all the way left you are monitoring live inputs, when
all the way right you are monitoring the computer mix. It was counter-intuitive
to use this thing all the way right when not even connected to a computer,
but there you go...
So now I have an incredibly playable, fantastic sounding, great recording
digital piano and it only took me three years of screwing around with shitty
MIDIMAN and ROLAND USB midi controllers, different versions of GIGA and HALION,
different computers, licensing snafus...
So I've been playing this rig for about a week and feeling really good and
my giga box has started spontaneously rebooting from HEAT ISSUES!!!
The end
ChuckSorry about mucking up Deej's thread. I wasn't looking to start the whole
Mac vs. PC debate. I was just thinking out loud. I go through this same
kind of thing every time I build a new PC or upgrade, it's kind of a PITA.
I was just wondering if upgrading an Apple Intel mac will have the same
kind of issues? I hope they get it right. I wonder if Apple will have affordable
upgrade paths? Knowing Apple, they will probably solder in the processors
so you have to buy a whole new computer to upgrade.
This machine will be a whole new beast, I for one , will not be the first
to dive in! It will be interesting to see how these systems perform and
what problems they will have with them. People are already talking about
hacking them to run dual boot, with XP and Mac OS. Dual boot would be cool.
I'm thinking, that even though Apple will be using Intel hardware software
locking technology, some body will hack the new Mac OS and run it on a standard
PC with the new chip set. So it might be cheaper to wait.
I guess will know more Jan. 9th. A $299 Mac mini with a built in TV tuner
would be vary cool. A dual boot, multi processor tower with standard PCI
slots that could run Paris XP and Mac OSX would be even cooler!
Anybody have any thoughts?
JamesHi Chuk thanks a bunch for your comments..I too have been finally learning
MIDI,in order to play "soft synths",and drum samples...Very trying at best..
I have been having a huge latency problem from USB/MIDI. interface...Do all
the USB things do this? I am using a shitty old Yamaha keyboard for
controller..I hope I can figure it out...zmcleod
"Chuck" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:43a4318e$1@linux...
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> Hey guys,
>
> Just wanted to let those of you in the DC area know that
> Chuck Levins is blowing out Yamaha P-60 digital pianos for
> 699 after 100 rebate. These are consumer 88 key weighted boards with
built
> in speakers and sounds and an included ikea type put together stand and
seat.
>
>
> I was headed out to buy a MIDI controller but checked over two dozen
boards
> and midi controllers and nothing had action that was even close so I
bought
> it.
>
> I plugged into my giga box via MIDI, silenced the on board sounds and was
> up and running within minutes.
>
> Man what a difference having a playable keyboard makes.
>
> So then onto the GIGA. I have the latest GIGAstuduio and was pretty
unhappy
> with the Gigapiano II with resonance model so I went digging around on the
> 5 sample CDs that come with it and found a PMI stage piano that sounds
really,
> incredibly nice.
>
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| Re: So now I'm building my new native DAW......... [message #61469 is a reply to message #61467] |
Sat, 17 December 2005 08:14 |
excelav
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for output. I was seriously disappointed by the sound - it was
weird
> and phasey and had some kind of psychoacoustic thing going on where the
piano
> sound appeared to hang all bunched up in mid air somewhere between my
eyes.
>
> So I tore the thing apart and re-wired and checked and re-checked and same
> thing. Then I found the 'MIX' knob on the pre-sonus does very strange
things
> to the pan positions when used in anything other than the full right
position.
> The mix knob is supposed to be presonus answer to monitoring live inputs
> with no latency. When all the way left you are monitoring live inputs,
when
> all the way right you are monitoring the computer mix. It was
counter-intuitive
> to use this thing all the way right when not even connected to a
computer,
> but there you go...
>
> So now I have an incredibly playable, fantastic sounding, great recording
> digital piano and it only took me three years of screwing around with
shitty
> MIDIMAN and ROLAND USB midi controllers, different versions of GIGA and
HALION,
> different computers, licensing snafus...
>
> So I've been playing this rig for about a week and feeling really good and
> my giga box has started spontaneously rebooting from HEAT ISSUES!!!
>
> The end
>
> ChuckMy experience exactly. More than mixing it like a record, we like to play it
like a record. That means playing to the sound, of compression, of EQ, of
FX, etc. It's how it was done back when folks made good music, back in the
day....and hey! what do you know? It still works. So far, anyway....
Jimmy
"Gary Flanigan" <gary_flanigan@ce9.uscourts.gov> wrote in message
news:43a2f458$1@linux...
> I started out recording trying to do all my compression in the box, for
reasons
> of cost and flexibility. However, the tradeoff is not really that simple.
> I have found that the performer often "plays" to the compression,
especially
> during vocals. Think of it in terms of a guitar player playing to the
sound
> of a sustained amp. You can't really get that after the fact. My
epiphany
> about this occurred when I put my voice through a Lawson-DW Fearn-Manley
> ELOP. For the first time in my recording experience, the damned thing
sound
> right off the bat like a record. Not necessarily a good record, but a
record
> nonetheless. :)
>RNCs rock. They need tweaking, they have lots o' knobs, but they sound
fantastic.
Jimmy
"Chris Lang" <yo@yo.yo> wrote in message news:43a2fe37@linux...
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> I own two RNC's, and they are fabulous. They sound better
> than any software I have heard. I highly recommend them.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> Gary Flanigan" <gary_flanigan@ce9.uscourts.gov> wrote:
> >
> >"Sanbar" <sanbar@wi.rr.com> wrote:
> >>I'm thinking about trying to get rid of as many software effects as
> >>possible. Is the idea of buying 4-5 RNC Compressors for drums along with
> >a
> >>couple of good compressors for vocals and bass a crazy idea. The goal is
> >to
> >>get the signal close enough on the way in that any touch up can be done
> >with
> >>Paris software thus eliminating the latency situations.
> >>
> >>I'm guessing that most would find this ludicrous, but if anyone is
> >>succeeding with such an idea I would be curious.
> >
> >
> >I started out recording trying to do all my compression in the box, for
> reasons
> >of cost and flexibility. However, the tradeoff is not re
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| Re: So now I'm building my new native DAW......... [message #61476 is a reply to message #61463] |
Sat, 17 December 2005 10:10 |
Deej [1]
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would be even cooler!
>
> Anybody have any thoughts?
>
> Jamesthat's not mucking it's mac-ing up a thread...we've all been there.
besides, deej deserves it as he works for the evil oil industry.
;o)
On 18 Dec 2005 03:33:35 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
wrote:
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>Sorry about mucking up Deej's thread. I wasn't looking to start the whole
>Mac vs. PC debate. I was just thinking out loud. I go through this same
>kind of thing every time I build a new PC or upgrade, it's kind of a PITA.
> I was just wondering if upgrading an Apple Intel mac will have the same
>kind of issues? I hope they get it right. I wonder if Apple will have affordable
>upgrade paths? Knowing Apple, they will probably solder in the processors
>so you have to buy a whole new computer to upgrade.
>
>This machine will be a whole new beast, I for one , will not be the first
>to dive in! It will be interesting to see how these systems perform and
>what problems they will have with them. People are already talking about
>hacking them to run dual boot, with XP and Mac OS. Dual boot would be cool.
>
>I'm thinking, that even though Apple will be using Intel hardware software
>locking technology, some body will hack the new Mac OS and run it on a standard
>PC with the new chip set. So it might be cheaper to wait.
>
>I guess will know more Jan. 9th. A $299 Mac mini with a built in TV tuner
>would be vary cool. A dual boot, multi processor tower with standard PCI
>slots that could run Paris XP and Mac OSX would be even cooler!
>
>Anybody have any thoughts?
>
>JamesYou are already one with the Borg, Deej. Choose your Borg. On Slashdot
the Borg icon is reserved for Microsoft, and for good reason.
Not that you shouldn't feel free to use whatever system you feel does
the job for you. Enjoy what you dig. And dig deep. ;^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> I was down an the local Mac store here yesterday. I played around with a new
> monster G5. I must say that *elegant in every way* was my
> impression..........but that's my impression of Pro Tool HD system too.
> IMO, with both of them, the purchaser becomes the *screwee* whenever the
> moneymonkey needs a new injection of cash. Thing is, with a little tweaking,
> I can achieve at least an equal, if not better result with alternative
> platforms and not become one with the Borg.
>
> ;o)
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:43a43ddf$1@linux...
>
>>Sorry about mucking up Deej's thread. I wasn't looking to start the whole
>>Mac vs. PC debate. I was just thinking out loud. I go through this same
>>kind of thing every time I build a new PC or upgrade, it's kind of a PITA.
>> I was just wondering if upgrading an Apple Intel mac will have the same
>>kind of issues? I hope they get it right. I wonder if Apple will have
>
> affordable
>
>>upgrade paths? Knowing Apple, they will probably solder in the processors
>>so you have to buy a whole new computer to upgrade.
>>
>>This machine will be a whole new beast, I for one , will not be the first
>>to dive in! It will be interesting to see how these systems perform and
>>what problems they will have with them. People are already talking about
>>hacking them to run dual boot, with XP and Mac OS. Dual boot would be
>
> cool.
>
>>I'm thinking, that even though Apple will be using Intel hardware software
>>locking technology, some body will hack the new Mac OS and run it on a
>
> standard
>
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| Re: So now I'm building my new native DAW......... [message #61772 is a reply to message #61476] |
Thu, 22 December 2005 11:54 |
Jorsi
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>>>> Bottom line...if it works...don't worry about it.
>>>> Rod
>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>What I need to clarify is which is card A , B, C and D ?
>>>>>The ones that Paris sees as A B C D so to connect as Rod describes =
>(A
>> to
>>>>>B , B to C , C to D...) OR as they are inserted in PCI slots ??? =
>first
>>>> (to
>>>>>the AGP card) is A, second is B,etc.
>>>>>The other way around (as Paris sees which are A,B<C,D) would make a=20
>>>>>spaghetti
>>>>>interconnection.
>>>>>That is because first card inside PC is recognized as card B, second
=
>as
>>>> card
>>>>>C, third as card D and fourth as card A...
>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As far as the 16 pin cables go, hooking the output of A to the =
>input
>> of
>>>>>B,
>>>>>>and so on, completing the loop by hooking the output of D to the =
>input
>>>> of
>>>>>>A, it will be the exact same hookup.
>>>>>>Draw a diagram and you will see.
>>>>>>As far as the 10 pin cables are concerned, it would be different. =
>(I
>>=20
>>>>>>forgot
>>>>>>about those). All I can say is try it the other way and see if it =
>works.
>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dear Rod,
>>>>>>>Thanks for replying.
>>>>>>>Paris sees the card as follows assuming we see the cards inside PC
=
>
>>>>>>>naming
>>>>>>>1 the one that is close to agp card and 4 the furtherst away.
>>>>>>>1 card in pc =3D card B in Paris
>>>>>>>2 card in pc =3D card C in Paris
>>>>>>>3 card in pc =3D card D in Paris
>>>>>>>4 card in pc =3D card A in Paris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Can you somehow describe how you would interconnect them ?
>>>>>>>If I have connected them "wrongly" why does Paris work ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hook the up as Paris sees them. If I'm understanding you =
>correctly,
>>=20
>>>>>>>>however,
>>>>>>>>it will be the same hookup , assuming cards C and D are in order
=
>below
>>>>>>B,
>>>>>>>>with A on the Bottom.
>>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>>>Merry Christmas to all of you although a little bit early...
>>>>>>>>>Regarding the intrconnection of 4 cards .
>>>>>>>>>I connected from like in the manual from first card (slot1) to =
>the
>>=20
>>>>>>>>>last
>>>>>>>>one
>>>>>>>>>(slot 5)
>>>>>>>>>I detect though that card 1 (slot1) is identified as card B, =
>card
>> 4
>>>> (slot
>>>>>>>>>5) is identified as card A (main card)
>>>>>>>>>So due to someone's last post here should I connect as Paris =
>sees
>> the
>>>>>>cards
>>>>>>>>>or as I see them inside my computer?
>>>>>>>>>Paris works ok but maybe I am risking or could have more stable
=
>setup
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| Re: So now I'm building my new native DAW......... [message #61779 is a reply to message #61772] |
Thu, 22 December 2005 15:14 |
Deej [1]
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>>>about his findings.
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>FYI, some interesting info about Mac OSX running on a PC.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,68501,00.html?tw=wn_sto ry_related
>>>>>
>>>>>http://osx86project.org/
>>>>
>>See my response to Jamie.
TCB
"Jqmes McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>The G5 is a fine RISC chip. The core technology is also what's in most
of
>>the supercomputer gamer consoles as well. However, many people have been
>>very surprised at the penalty in performance running OS X vs the couple
>of
>>GNU\Linux flavors available for the chip. If the reports I hear are true
>>there is a lot of, erm, "optimization" that could be done in OS X to make
>>it snappier. Why they don't is beyond me, but the evidence is pretty hard
>>to argue against.
>>
>>What's the state of memory/drive technology in OS X these days? That could
>>have a lot to do with it as well.
>>
>>TCB
>
>
>This is funny, he is blaming The G5 processor for being slow, and you your
>blaming Mac OSX for being slow. Which is it? Why don't you guys go do
>some real research. There has been speed test on the G5. I think you
will
>find that there is plenty of data to show that the G5 is fast. There are
>plenty of OSX users here that will tell you OSX is snappy.
>
>I'd like to see system for system tests. Same memory, same hard drive,
same
>task etc. Show me some facts, then I'll believe it. If it's true that
Mac
>OSX runs faster on PC hardware than on Apple hardware with a G5, than the
>world should know!
>
>I think it just more Mac bashing, PC Zealot stuff.
>
>James
>
>
>
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Morgan <morganp@ntplx.net> wrote:
>>>>Hi James,
>>>>Our Buddy Pete Leoni figured this one out long
>>>>ago - his 3 gig Celeron running OSX totally spanked
>>>>a dual G5 in a HUGE way !!
>>>>
>>>>Morgan
>>>>
>>>
>>>Hey Morgan! I think I smell some B.S. I'm having a hard time believing
>>a
>>>Celeron could beat a G5, maybe an early 1.6 single processor with the
slower
>>>bus speed???, but I doubt it. I don't think Virginia Tech would have
built
>>>the 4th fastest super computer on the planet with G5s if G5 were slow.
>
>>Why
>>>don't you get the guy to post here. I think it would be interesting to
>>hear
>>>about his findings.
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>> FYI, some interesting info about Mac OSX running on a PC.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,68501,00.html?tw=wn_sto ry_related
>>>>>
>>>>> http://osx86project.org/
>>>>
>>
>Of course you were being silly, as was I. Hey, I'd love to have nice dual
G5 as a linux box in my house, no problem. I might like a dual Opteron a
bit more but I'd take either. My point, and I'll keep rambling on about this
as long as I can becuase it's the internet and nobody can stop me, is that
ALL proprietary OS's to me are inferior to the free software alternative
save some critical apps (for me audio stuff) that will never get there. Once
you make the switch, you realize that the label on the front of the thing
is a red herring, a way to bring in revenue for not adding value and convince
people what computer they use makes them a certain kind of person. What a
person DOES with a computer (or a paint brush or a bowie knife or a PEZ dispenser)
defines the person, the rest is just marketing.
And yes, thanks for being silly ;-)
TCB
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>You realize I was being silly, right? I have heard though and it's probably
>true that a lot of the OSX code is rather bloated and could be streamlined.
>When a company does things right though (I'm thinking Adobe and Photoshop
>here) the G5 chips can keep up with and even surpass the Intel stuff. There
>is plenty of benchmark info out there in this area. For me, OSX seems pretty
>responsive. Plus, I just like the way my Macs work. I would like to look
>into the whole open source thing, but just don't have the time to learn
the
>technical end of it. Like I say, use the platform that you're comfortable
>with and works for you.
>
>Tony
>
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43ab024e$1@linux...
>>
>> I'm an equal opportunity h
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All of these plugins are very good, IMHO.
Merry Christmas
;o)
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43ab734d$1@linux...
> I've got a couple of Distressors and I can get something very similar out
of
> a Voxengo plugin I have around here called squashfish or something like
> that.
>
> "Brandon" <lwire98@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:43ab61ac$1@linux...
> >
> > Some of you guys use a popular distressor (hardware)
> > what is a comparible software alternative?
> > Thanks
>
>TCB wrote:
> So, Jamie, you think I just make this stuff up? I'm some platform hater with
> no numbers or knowledge to back up what I say?
As I mentioned, I was curious to see the evidence you referred to.
Thanks for posting some links.
And yes, you are a platform hater but I understand. :^)
Looking at the links, Tiger 10.4.1 on a G5 dual 2.5 or 2.7 is shown to
be OK for workstation apps when altivec is used. Holds its own (their
example, LightWave - more examples would be appreciated but that's not
their focus). I use LW so it's pertinent to me.
They give thumbs down on server apps using open source software
(apparently not optimized for OSX?), and point out that specific choices
in the kernel are shown to be slower than Linux. It would be interesting
to see if the several OSX updates since then have done anything to
address that. For my use as a workstation, their limited examples make
it look like OSX on G5 is not a bad choice when software is optimized
for altivec. Actually it looked pretty good. And we're not talking quad
mac here which conceivably would be some amount better yet.
OTOH, the Opteron looked pretty good, too. It will be very interesting
to look at the upcoming Intel dual Yonah processor with OSX, in
(rumored) another couple of weeks, and see how that combination does.
This is all a moving target.
In the other link, the main bias is the same as yours: OSX is not open
source from top to bottom. True. Beyond that complaint, with his
specific statistical software he finds better performance under Linux
when testing on a couple of older G5 boxes. Not sure if this says much
about the music/graphics/video/animation apps that I use (other than his
complaint about accessing his PVR files, in which case maybe he should
consider the ElGato digital video boxes which work fine - although they
may not have been out when he wrote his review - the HD one rocks).
But I can see why he made the choices he did for his application.
It's good to have choices. Go Linux! Some of the software I use for
browsing, email, word processing, spreadsheet and software development
also run on Linux and I like that. BTW, I'm happy to see Linux
animation, audio, video, and graphics software moving ahead, step by
step. If you're involved in any of that, kudos to you!
For now, OSX and the available software for OSX offers a very capable
platform for the media production I do, and the dual 2.5GHZ box I use
is, for the most part, amazing. The kernel may have drawbacks for server
use, but it has some very nice features that support audio, video and
graphics system-wide.
It's not perfect, mind you. That's still out there waiting to happen.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Remember, in addition to what
> I do with audio apps I work 50-80 hour weeks as a network admin and developer.
> And I hate M$oft just as much as I hate Apple. So then, about this urban
> legend nonsense, I give you Anandtech, wherein he proves a) the G5 is a fabulous
> RISC processor and that b) thanks to some very bad choices made in kernel
> development and implementation OS X hamstrings it in highly mult-threaded
> environments.
>
> http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2436
>
> Then benchmarks run by a fine fellow in Berkely. Skip how Intel does and
> note that the same machine running OS X performs 25-30% slower than the same
> hardware running Yellow Dog Linux.
>
> http://sekhon.polisci.berkeley.edu/macosx/
>
> Now, let me tell you that masturbation causes blindness and about the guy
> who woke up in a bathtub full of ice short a kidney and the supermodel who
> banged me and then left "Welcome to AIDS" in lipstick written on the hotel
> bathroom mirror . . .
>
> TCB
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>>Hey Thad,
>>
>>I'm all for Gnu/Linux but that sounds like urban legend. I'd be curious
>
>
>>to check out the evidence you mention. Any URLs?
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>TCB wrote:
>>
>>>The G5 is a fine RISC chip. The core technology is also what's in most
>
> of
>
>>>the supercomputer gamer consoles as well. However, many people have been
>>>very surprised at the penalty in performance running OS X vs the couple
>
> of
>
>>>GNU\Linux flavors available for the chip. If the reports I hear are true
>>>there is a lot of, erm, "optimization" that could be done in OS X to make
>>>it snappier. Why they don't is beyond me, but the evidence is pretty hard
>>>to argue against.
>>>
>>>What's the state of memory/drive technology in OS X these days? That could
>>>have a lot to do with it as well.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Morgan <morganp@ntplx.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi James,
>>>>>Our Buddy Pete Leoni figured this one out long
>>>>>ago - his 3 gig Celeron running OSX totally spanked
>>>>>a dual G5 in a HUGE way !!
>>>>>
>>>>>Morgan
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hey Morgan! I think I smell some B.S. I'm having a hard time believing
>>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>>>Celeron could beat a G5, maybe an early 1.6 single processor with the
>
> slower
>
>>>>bus speed???, but I doubt it. I don't think Virginia Tech would have
>
> built
>
>>>>the 4th fastest super computer on the planet with G5s if G5 were slow.
>
>
>>>Why
>>>
>>>
>>>>don't you get the guy to post here. I think it would be interesting to
>>>
>>>hear
>>>
>>>
>>>>about his findings.
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>FYI, some interesting info about Mac OSX running on a PC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,68501,00.html?tw=wn_s
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