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OH &%$#&^*#$%&!!!!!!!! [message #79032]

Fri, 26 January 2007 10:49

Deej [4]

Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007

Senior Member

Well I was sorta' hoping this wouldn't happen but it did and now I may be
doomed. What I have always objected to with the native mix bus is the
*crowded* feeling that happens when summing. this is also the reason I have
jumped through so many hoops to keep Paris viable. There's this feeling of
space at the ass end of a mix. I know this can be very much changed by gain
staging tracks and busses.

Well, I just got the Neve 5042 happening across the mix bus of Cubase 4 (the
reason I was hearing phasing was because, like a dumbass, I was monitoring
the mix channel in Totalmix...but anyway) and I am playing back a 30 track
mix with no subbussing, no gainstaging, etc. Switching the 65042 in to the
bus results in a lot of the same spaciousness on the top end that I hear in
Paris.

You know, of course, what this means.............

;o)

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Re: OH &%$#&^*#$%&!!!!!!!! [message #79033 is a reply to message #79032]

Fri, 26 January 2007 10:53

Jeff hoover

Messages: 22
Registered: January 2007

Junior Member

It means once again you're costing me money! How much will the 5042 set
you back?

;-p

Hoov

DJ wrote:
> Well I was sorta' hoping this wouldn't happen but it did and now I may be
> doomed. What I have always objected to with the native mix bus is the
> *crowded* feeling that happens when summing. this is also the reason I have
> jumped through so many hoops to keep Paris viable. There's this feeling of
> space at the ass end of a mix. I know this can be very much changed by gain
> staging tracks and busses.
>
> Well, I just got the Neve 5042 happening across the mix bus of Cubase 4 (the
> reason I was hearing phasing was because, like a dumbass, I was monitoring
> the mix channel in Totalmix...but anyway) and I am playing back a 30 track
> mix with no subbussing, no gainstaging, etc. Switching the 65042 in to the
> bus results in a lot of the same spaciousness on the top end that I hear in
> Paris.
>
> You know, of course, what this means.............
>
> ;o)
>
>

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Re: OH &%$#&^*#$%&!!!!!!!! [message #79034 is a reply to message #79033]

Fri, 26 January 2007 11:25

Deej [4]

Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007

Senior Member

You don't even want to know.................wait!!! yes you do!!!!!

http://www.mercenary.com/portico.html

errr.....maybe you don't. Yikes!!!

;oO

"Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite-DOT-com> wrote in message
news:45ba4ea1@linux...
> It means once again you're costing me money! How much will the 5042 set
> you back?
>
> ;-p
>
> Hoov
>
> DJ wrote:
>> Well I was sorta' hoping this wouldn't happen but it did and now I may be
>> doomed. What I have always objected to with the native mix bus is the
>> *crowded* feeling that happens when summing. this is also the reason I
>> have jumped through so many hoops to keep Paris viable. There's this
>> feeling of space at the ass end of a mix. I know this can be very much
>> changed by gain staging tracks and busses.
>>
>> Well, I just got the Neve 5042 happening across the mix bus of Cubase 4
>> (the reason I was hearing phasing was because, like a dumbass, I was
>> monitoring the mix channel in Totalmix...but anyway) and I am playing
>> back a 30 track mix with no subbussing, no gainstaging, etc. Switching
>> the 65042 in to the bus results in a lot of the same spaciousness on the
>> top end that I hear in Paris.
>>
>> You know, of course, what this means.............
>>
>> ;o)

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Re: OH &%$#&^*#$%&!!!!!!!! [message #79035 is a reply to message #79032]

Fri, 26 January 2007 11:31

Dedric Terry

Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007

Senior Member

You're gonna need 4 for 7.1 surround? ;-))

"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45ba4d64@linux...
> Well I was sorta' hoping this wouldn't happen but it did and now I may be
> doomed. What I have always objected to with the native mix bus is the
> *crowded* feeling that happens when summing. this is also the reason I
> have jumped through so many hoops to keep Paris viable. There's this
> feeling of space at the ass end of a mix. I know this can be very much
> changed by gain staging tracks and busses.
>
> Well, I just got the Neve 5042 happening across the mix bus of Cubase 4
> (the reason I was hearing phasing was because, like a dumbass, I was
> monitoring the mix channel in Totalmix...but anyway) and I am playing back
> a 30 track mix with no subbussing, no gainstaging, etc. Switching the
> 65042 in to the bus results in a lot of the same spaciousness on the top
> end that I hear in Paris.
>
> You know, of course, what this means.............
>
> ;o)
>

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Re: OH &%$#&^*#$%&!!!!!!!! [message #79036 is a reply to message #79032]

Fri, 26 January 2007 12:38

excelav

Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit

Senior Member

Now you Just need to get that Ampex 1" tape machine for mastering!

"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Well I was sorta' hoping this wouldn't happen but it did and now I may be

>doomed. What I have always objected to with the native mix bus is the
>*crowded* feeling that happens when summing. this is also the reason I have

>jumped through so many hoops to keep Paris viable. There's this feeling
of
>space at the ass end of a mix. I know this can be very much changed by gain

>staging tracks and busses.
>
>Well, I just got the Neve 5042 happening across the mix bus of Cubase 4
(the
>reason I was hearing phasing was because, like a dumbass, I was monitoring

>the mix channel in Totalmix...but anyway) and I am playing back a 30 track

>mix with no subbussing, no gainstaging, etc. Switching the 65042 in to the

>bus results in a lot of the same spaciousness on the top end that I hear
in
>Paris.
>
>You know, of course, what this means.............
>
>;o)
>
>

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Re: OH &%$#&^*#$%&!!!!!!!! [message #79037 is a reply to message #79035]

Fri, 26 January 2007 11:38

Deej [4]

Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007

Senior Member

ROTFL!!!

"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message news:45ba578f@linux...
> You're gonna need 4 for 7.1 surround? ;-))
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45ba4d64@linux...
>> Well I was sorta' hoping this wouldn't happen but it did and now I may be
>> doomed. What I have always objected to with the native mix bus is the
>> *crowded* feeling that happens when summing. this is also the reason I
>> have jumped through so many hoops to keep Paris viable. There's this
>> feeling of space at the ass end of a mix. I know this can be very much
>> changed by gain staging tracks and busses.
>>
>> Well, I just got the Neve 5042 happening across the mix bus of Cubase 4
>> (the reason I was hearing phasing was because, like a dumbass, I was
>> monitoring the mix channel in Totalmix...but anyway) and I am playing
>> back a 30 track mix with no subbussing, no gainstaging, etc. Switching
>> the 65042 in to the bus results in a lot of the same spaciousness on the
>> top end that I hear in Paris.
>>
>> You know, of course, what this means.............
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>
>

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Re: OH &%$#&^*#$%&!!!!!!!! [message #79038 is a reply to message #79036]

Fri, 26 January 2007 11:42

Deej [4]

Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007

Senior Member

This thing is very nice. The owner is a client of mine and I did an install
of his studio last week wih a *real* tape deck. I've got this for another
week to play with here before the owner returns from an out of town trip. I
think I may be able to work something out with him to keep it here.......I
hope. It's really some sonic dope. One of those things that isn't obvious
but is immediately missed when it's switched out of the signal path. .

;o)

"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45ba58c8$1@linux...
>
> Now you Just need to get that Ampex 1" tape machine for mastering!
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Well I was sorta' hoping this wouldn't happen but it did and now I may be
>
>>doomed. What I have always objected to with the native mix bus is the
>>*crowded* feeling that happens when summing. this is also the reason I
>>have
>
>>jumped through so many hoops to keep Paris viable. There's this feeling
> of
>>space at the ass end of a mix. I know this can be very much changed by
>>gain
>
>>staging tracks and busses.
>>
>>Well, I just got the Neve 5042 happening across the mix bus of Cubase 4
> (the
>>reason I was hearing phasing was because, like a dumbass, I was monitoring
>
>>the mix channel in Totalmix...but anyway) and I am playing back a 30 track
>
>>mix with no subbussing, no gainstaging, etc. Switching the 65042 in to the
>
>>bus results in a lot of the same spaciousness on the top end that I hear
> in
>>Paris.
>>
>>You know, of course, what this means.............
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>

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Re: OH &%$#&^*#$%&!!!!!!!! [message #79040 is a reply to message #79032]

Fri, 26 January 2007 13:37

John [1]

Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005

Senior Member

what a dumbass! hahaha

DJ wrote:
> Well I was sorta' hoping this wouldn't happen but it did and now I may be
> doomed. What I have always objected to with the native mix bus is the
> *crowded* feeling that happens when summing. this is also the reason I have
> jumped through so many hoops to keep Paris viable. There's this feeling of
> space at the ass end of a mix. I know this can be very much changed by gain
> staging tracks and busses.
>
> Well, I just got the Neve 5042 happening across the mix bus of Cubase 4 (the
> reason I was hearing phasing was because, like a dumbass, I was monitoring
> the mix channel in Totalmix...but anyway) and I am playing back a 30 track
> mix with no subbussing, no gainstaging, etc. Switching the 65042 in to the
> bus results in a lot of the same spaciousness on the top end that I hear in
> Paris.
>
> You know, of course, what this means.............
>
> ;o)
>
>

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Re: OH &%$#&^*#$%&!!!!!!!! [message #79041 is a reply to message #79040]

Fri, 26 January 2007 13:46

Deej [4]

Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007

Senior Member

I was gonna' say..........;o)

Hey John, if you have a chance, would you give me a call?

970-769-0488

thanks,

Deej

"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:45ba7518@linux...
> what a dumbass! hahaha
>
> DJ wrote:
>> Well I was sorta' hoping this wouldn't happen but it did and now I may be
>> doomed. What I have always objected to with the native mix bus is the
>> *crowded* feeling that happens when summing. this is also the reason I
>> have jumped through so many hoops to keep Paris viable. There's this
>> feeling of space at the ass end of a mix. I know this can be very much
>> changed by gain staging tracks and busses.
>>
>> Well, I just got the Neve 5042 happening across the mix bus of Cubase 4
>> (the reason I was hearing phasing was because, like a dumbass, I was
>> monitoring the mix channel in Totalmix...but anyway) and I am playing
>> back a 30 track mix with no subbussing, no gainstaging, etc. Switching
>> the 65042 in to the bus results in a lot of the same spaciousness on the
>> top end that I hear in Paris.
>>
>> You know, of course, what this means.............
>>
>> ;o)

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Re: OH &%$#&^*#$%&!!!!!!!! [message #79042 is a reply to message #79036]

Fri, 26 January 2007 13:48

Deej [4]

Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007

Senior Member

that's what is so cool about this Neve box. It really does deliver that kind
of mojo without introducing compression artifacts that I hear
with......errrr.........compressors (DOH!!!)

;o)

"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45ba58c8$1@linux...
>
> Now you Just need to get that Ampex 1" tape machine for mastering!
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Well I was sorta' hoping this wouldn't happen but it did and now I may be
>
>>doomed. What I have always objected to with the native mix bus is the
>>*crowded* feeling that happens when summing. this is also the reason I
>>have
>
>>jumped through so many hoops to keep Paris viable. There's this feeling
> of
>>space at the ass end of a mix. I know this can be very much changed by
>>gain
>
>>staging tracks and busses.
>>
>>Well, I just got the Neve 5042 happening across the mix bus of Cubase 4
> (the
>>reason I was hearing phasing was because, like a dumbass, I was monitoring
>
>>the mix channel in Totalmix...but anyway) and I am playing back a 30 track
>
>>mix with no subbussing, no gainstaging, etc. Switching the 65042 in to the
>
>>bus results in a lot of the same spaciousness on the top end that I hear
> in
>>Paris.
>>
>>You know, of course, what this means.............
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>

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Re: OH &%$#&^*#$%&!!!!!!!! [message #79043 is a reply to message #79042]

Fri, 26 January 2007 14:03

John [1]

Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005

Senior Member

gimmie !

DJ wrote:
> that's what is so cool about this Neve box. It really does deliver that kind
> of mojo without introducing compression artifacts that I hear
> with......errrr.........compressors (DOH!!!)
>
> ;o)
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:45ba58c8$1@linux...
>> Now you Just need to get that Ampex 1" tape machine for mastering!
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>> Well I was sorta' hoping this wouldn't happen but it did and now I may be
>>> doomed. What I have always objected to with the native mix bus is the
>>> *crowded* feeling that happens when summing. this is also the reason I
>>> have
>>> jumped through so many hoops to keep Paris viable. There's this feeling
>> of
>>> space at the ass end of a mix. I know this can be very much changed by
>>> gain
>>> staging tracks and busses.
>>>
>>> Well, I just got the Neve 5042 happening across the mix bus of Cubase 4
>> (the
>>> reason I was hearing phasing was because, like a dumbass, I was monitoring
>>> the mix channel in Totalmix...but anyway) and I am playing back a 30 track
>>> mix with no subbussing, no gainstaging, etc. Switching the 65042 in to the
>>> bus results in a lot of the same spaciousness on the top end that I hear
>> in
>>> Paris.
>>>
>>> You know, of course, what this means.............
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>
>

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Re: OH &%$#&^*#$%&!!!!!!!! [message #79047 is a reply to message #79041]

Fri, 26 January 2007 17:54

John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005

Senior Member

Tag, you're it.

http://tinyurl.com/2celt2

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Re: OH &%$#&^*#$%&!!!!!!!! [message #79092 is a reply to message #79043]

Sat, 27 January 2007 16:42

Martin Harrington

Messages: 560
Registered: September 2005

Senior Member

All you have to do is go to the web site and press "gimmie"
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com

"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:45ba7b34$1@linux...
> gimmie !
>
> DJ wrote:
>> that's what is so cool about this Neve box. It really does deliver that
>> kind of mojo without introducing compression artifacts that I hear
>> with......errrr.........compressors (DOH!!!)
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:45ba58c8$1@linux...
>>> Now you Just need to get that Ampex 1" tape machine for mastering!
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>> Well I was sorta' hoping this wouldn't happen but it did and now I may
>>>> be
>>>> doomed. What I have always objected to with the native mix bus is the
>>>> *crowded* feeling that happens when summing. this is also the reason I
>>>> have
>>>> jumped through so many hoops to keep Paris viable. There's this feeling
>>> of
>>>> space at the ass end of a mix. I know this can be very much changed by
>>>> gain
>>>> staging tracks and busses.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I just got the Neve 5042 happening across the mix bus of Cubase 4
>>> (the
>>>> reason I was hearing phasing was because, like a dumbass, I was
>>>> monitoring
>>>> the mix channel in Totalmix...but anyway) and I am playing back a 30
>>>> track
>>>> mix with no subbussing, no gainstaging, etc. Switching the 65042 in to
>>>> the
>>>> bus results in a lot of the same spaciousness on the top end that I
>>>> hear
>>> in
>>>> Paris.
>>>>
>>>> You know, of course, what this means.............
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>

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Re: OH &%$#&^*#$%&!!!!!!!! [message #79094 is a reply to message #79092]

Sat, 27 January 2007 18:56

John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005

Senior Member

I love this world !

"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>All you have to do is go to the web site and press "gimmie"
>--
>Martin Harrington
>www.lendanear-sound.com
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:45ba7b34$1@linux...
>> gimmie !
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> that's what is so cool about this Neve box. It really does deliver that

>>> kind of mojo without introducing compression artifacts that I hear
>>> with......errrr.........compressors (DOH!!!)
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:45ba58c8$1@linux...
>>>> Now you Just need to get that Ampex 1" tape machine for mastering!
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>> Well I was sorta' hoping this wouldn't happen but it did and now I
may
>>>>> be
>>>>> doomed. What I have always objected to with the native mix bus is the
>>>>> *crowded* feeling that happens when summing. this is also the reason
I
>>>>> have
>>>>> jumped through so many hoops to keep Paris viable. There's this feeling
>>>> of
>>>>> space at the ass end of a mix. I know this can be very much changed
by
>>>>> gain
>>>>> staging tracks and busses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I just got the Neve 5042 happening across the mix bus of Cubase
4
>>>> (the
>>>>> reason I was hearing phasing was because, like a dumbass, I was
>>>>> monitoring
>>>>> the mix channel in Totalmix...but anyway) and I am playing back a 30

>>>>> track
>>>>> mix with no subbussing, no gainstaging, etc. Switching the 65042 in
to
>>>>> the
>>>>> bus results in a lot of the same spaciousness on the top end that I

>>>>> hear
>>>> in
>>>>> Paris.
>>>>>
>>>>> You know, of course, what this means.............
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>

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Re: OH &%$#&^*#$%&!!!!!!!! [message #79095 is a reply to message #79092]

Sat, 27 January 2007 18:22

Dedric Terry

Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007

Senior Member

The thing I've never figured out though, is they keep asking for money when
I do that. I mean, "gimme" implies give to me, as in gift....

False advertising if you ask me. Shame, shame, shame...

;-)

On 1/27/07 5:42 PM, in article 45bbf1fe$1@linux, "Martin Harrington"
<lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

> All you have to do is go to the web site and press "gimmie"

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Re: OH &%$#&^*#$%&!!!!!!!! [message #79098 is a reply to message #79038]

Sat, 27 January 2007 22:15

Aaron Allen

Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008

Senior Member

post some with / without samples?

AA

"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45ba59c9@linux...
> This thing is very nice. The owner is a client of mine and I did an
> install of his studio last week wih a *real* tape deck. I've got this for
> another week to play with here before the owner returns from an out of
> town trip. I think I may be able to work something out with him to keep it
> here.......I hope. It's really some sonic dope. One of those things that
> isn't obvious but is immediately missed when it's switched out of the
> signal path. .
>
> ;o)
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:45ba58c8$1@linux...
>>
>> Now you Just need to get that Ampex 1" tape machine for mastering!
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>Well I was sorta' hoping this wouldn't happen but it did and now I may be
>>
>>>doomed. What I have always objected to with the native mix bus is the
>>>*crowded* feeling that happens when summing. this is also the reason I
>>>have
>>
>>>jumped through so many hoops to keep Paris viable. There's this feeling
>> of
>>>space at the ass end of a mix. I know this can be very much changed by
>>>gain
>>
>>>staging tracks and busses.
>>>
>>>Well, I just got the Neve 5042 happening across the mix bus of Cubase 4
>> (the
>>>reason I was hearing phasing was because, like a dumbass, I was
>>>monitoring
>>
>>>the mix channel in Totalmix...but anyway) and I am playing back a 30
>>>track
>>
>>>mix with no subbussing, no gainstaging, etc. Switching the 65042 in to
>>>the
>>
>>>bus results in a lot of the same spaciousness on the top end that I hear
>> in
>>>Paris.
>>>
>>>You know, of course, what this means.............
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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Re: OH &%$#&^*#$%&!!!!!!!! Neve 8816!!! Another Level!! [message #79100 is a reply to message #79032]

Sun, 28 January 2007 00:00

LaMontt

Messages: 424
Registered: January 2007

Senior Member

jjdpro@gmail.com

Dj, And others do a search on my post about analog summing. I told you ..
DJ, I recommended to you (2 months ) ago to get the
Neve 8816 http://www.vintageking.com/New-Brands/Neve-AMS/Neve-8816-Sum ming-Mixer

In-which you kindly ignorged me (Lol!!) .. But, hey, I tried. Now you know
what I've been experiencing all yead (2006) when I started using a Soundcraft
Ghost to summ.. MAN!!! What a difference. You make better choices and my
mixes translate very well to other studios or to car. What ever I hear in
the studio, is the way it sounds everywhere else. But, the sound!! Man, mixes
just opens ups ..Punchier, tighter..

Aperson would have to drop a $$$ coins to get that sound (ITB).. By adding
(Apogees or Lyxn0 Converters with a Lucid or Big Ben Clock..This is close,
but still missing some third order harmonic..
Like at our Church's studio, PTHD3 sound way amazing due to that SSL 4000
G/Plus with E series EQs and Lucid 96 clock on the 192s..Way tighter than
the Big Ben.. That config, makes my Paris (same Song) mixes sound like drab.
No kidding. It's emabarresing..(Lol!!)..

But, when I drag paris into the Studio sum out to the SSL, BooM!! new Mix!!
..out to the Rosetta..into the Alesis MAsterlink.. Tight focused, ballanced..

And what I cannot recommend to all Cubase/Neundo users to go analog summing..
Put the(Paris) back into you mixes.
Mont...

"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Well I was sorta' hoping this wouldn't happen but it did and now I may be

>doomed. What I have always objected to with the native mix bus is the
>*crowded* feeling that happens when summing. this is also the reason I have

>jumped through so many hoops to keep Paris viable. There's this feeling
of
>space at the ass end of a mix. I know this can be very much changed by gain

>staging tracks and busses.
>
>Well, I just got the Neve 5042 happening across the mix bus of Cubase 4
(the
>reason I was hearing phasing was because, like a dumbass, I was monitoring

>the mix channel in Totalmix...but anyway) and I am playing back a 30 track

>mix with no subbussing, no gainstaging, etc. Switching the 65042 in to the

>bus results in a lot of the same spaciousness on the top end that I hear
in
>Paris.
>
>You know, of course, what this means.............
>
>;o)
>
>

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