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There are three reasons why I jump through all of these hoops when I'm =
mixing
1. To bypass the restricted Paris submix architecture of paris for =
hardware processors
2. To use VST plugins on Paris inserts and auxes
3. To enable me to keep using the Paris mix bus (which is by far the =
most important of all, to me)
Sooo....to that end, I though I'd try to simplify a few things for those =
of you who might want to try this:
Using Cubase SX as a standalone processor for applying VST plugins to =
Paris tracks (requires powerful computer)
Make sure both systems are using a common clock.
In the Control Panel of your native audio interface, set the latency to =
1.5ms.
Physically patch the Paris ADAT I/O to the ADAT I/O of the audio device =
you are using with Cubase SX. Check the control panel of you audio =
hardware and make sure the I/O are sync'ed up.
Set up a matrix in the Paris patchbay where you are sending and =
returning whatever tracks you want to process via ADAT on the insert =
module. Do it for tracks on all Paris submixes if you have multiple MECS =
using multiple ADAT modules and have enough corresponding ADAT I/O on =
your native system.. This is how you bypass the restricted Paris submix =
architecture.
Set the insert on the Paris mixer channel you want to process to =
external.
In Cubase, create a corresponding number of audio tracks.
In Cubase > VST connections>create mono input and output busses that =
correspond to the ADAT I/O of your audio interface that is connected to =
the Paris ADAT I/O
Insert the VST processor you want to use on the audio track in Cubase
Click on the little "speaker" icon on the Cubase audio channel so you =
are monitoring with effects.
Hit the Play button on Paris. The audio will be processed though the =
plugins on the individual tracks in Cubase Sx and returned to Paris.=20
The plugin delay compensation works very well at 1.5ms under this =
scenario, allowing you to play back tracks in Paris that aren't being =
processed in Cubase with tracks that are.
Watch your channel levels in Paris. In an insert send/return scenario, a =
hot track being sent from Paris can clip the bejeezus out of a UAD-1 =
plugin in Cubase SX so be careful. This takes some finesse.
There is another scenario which I use in which I import all of the =
tracks into Cubase SX and then just return them to Paris while being =
processed on both systems. The digital matrix for individual tracks only =
requires the patching of ADAT outs on the native systemto ADAt ins on =
Paris and then Paris is set to "Live Mix" mode.
Due to the necessity of rendering, then batch processing the audio files =
to .wav over a network, then importing them to a cubase mix template, =
this takes more time to set up, but once yuou get you head around it, =
I'd say it adds aout 15 to 30 minutes *per song* to your session time =
but if you enjoy the Cubase editing capabilities, and the Paris mix bus =
this is definitely the way to go.
Now......how about getting those cool VST FX (can you say convolution =
reverbs?) and VST delays on some Paris auxes????.......well.....here's =
how:
____________________________________________________________ _____________=
_______________________________
Mono and stereo VST effects in Cubase FX on Paris auxes
1. Physically patch a pair the I/O of the audio interface you are using =
with Cubase to a pair of Paris I/O
2. Route these Paris I/O to an aux in the Paris patchbay and assign this =
aux to a record enabled track in Paris.
3. In Cubase > VST connections>make sure the I/O of the card being used =
with Cubase are set up as mono or stereo input and outputs
4. In Cubase > VST connections>Group/FX>Add/FX and choose the effect you =
want on that FX channel
(at this point, if you want the effect centerpanned, you can just use it =
as a send effect on a Cubase mono or stereo audio track)
5. In Cubase > VST connections>Group/FX>Add/Group
6. In the Cubase project window go to the Group Channel, rename it with =
the name of the Paris aux is is using and assign it to the mono or =
stereo bus that is connected to the Paris aux.
6. In the Cubase project window go to the FX channel and insert the =
effect you chose in Add/FX on this channel and then choose the same =
output bus for this channel that you chose for the Group Channel so that =
this effect goes to the Paris aux
7. On the mono or stereo track in Cubase insert this effect as a send =
effect.
8. Make sure the channel faders for the audio channel, the FX channel =
and the Group channel are set top unity.
9. Start playback and make the necessary adjustments in the send levels =
on the Cubase audio channel and the Paris aux channel.
____________________________________________________________ _____________=
________________________________
In order use a hardware processor across submixes in Paris............
1. Physically patch a pair the I/O of the hardware interface with the =
I/O of an audio interface you are using with Cubase.
2. In Cubase > VST connections> create an external effect and assign the =
I/O of the audio device that you are using with Cubase SX
3. In Cubase > VST connections>Group/FX>Add/FX and choose the external =
effect that you created.
4. If you want centerpanned mono or stereo, at this point you can just =
use this as a send effect on a mono or stereo audio track or for =
pannable auxes in Paris, you can follow steps 5 through 9 above.
Cheers,
Deej
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There are three reasons why I jump =
through all of=20
these hoops when I'm mixing</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1. To bypass the restricted Paris =
submix=20
architecture of paris for hardware processors</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2. To use VST plugins on Paris inserts =
and=20
auxes</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3. To enable me to keep using the Paris =
mix bus=20
(which is by far the most important of all, to me)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sooo....to that end, I though I'd try =
to simplify a=20
few things for those of you who might want to try this:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Using Cubase SX as a standalone =
processor=20
for applying VST plugins to Paris tracks (requires powerful=20
computer)</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Make sure both systems are using a =
common=20
clock.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In the Control Panel of your native =
audio=20
interface, set the latency to 1.5ms.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Physically patch the Paris ADAT =
I/O to the=20
ADAT I/O of the audio device you are using with Cubase SX. Check the =
control=20
panel of you audio hardware and make sure the I/O are sync'ed =
up.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Set up a matrix in the Paris patchbay =
where you are=20
sending and returning whatever tracks you want to process via ADAT on =
the insert=20
module. Do it for tracks on all Paris submixes if you have multiple MECS =
using=20
multiple ADAT modules and have enough corresponding ADAT I/O on your =
native=20
system.. This is how you bypass the restricted Paris submix=20
architecture.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Set the insert on the Paris mixer =
channel you want=20
to process to external.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In Cubase, create a corresponding =
number of audio=20
tracks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In Cubase > VST =
connections>create mono input=20
and output busses that correspond to the ADAT I/O of your audio =
interface that=20
is connected to the Paris ADAT I/O</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Insert the VST processor you want to =
use on the=20
audio track in Cubase</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Click on the little "speaker" icon on =
the Cubase=20
audio channel so you are monitoring with effects.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hit the Play button on Paris. The audio =
will be=20
processed though the plugins on the individual tracks in Cubase Sx and =
returned=20
to Paris. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The plugin delay compensation works =
very well at=20
1.5ms under this scenario, allowing you to play back tracks in Paris =
that aren't=20
being processed in Cubase with tracks that are.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Watch your channel levels in Paris. In =
an insert=20
send/return scenario, a hot track being sent from Paris can clip the =
bejeezus=20
out of a UAD-1 plugin in Cubase SX so be careful. This takes some=20
finesse.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There is another scenario which I use =
in which I=20
import all of the tracks into Cubase SX and then just return them to =
Paris while=20
being processed on both systems. The digital matrix for individual =
tracks only=20
requires the patching of ADAT outs on the native systemto ADAt ins on =
Paris and=20
then Paris is set to "Live Mix" mode.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Due to the necessity of rendering, then =
batch=20
processing the audio files to .wav over a network, then importing them =
to a=20
cubase mix template, this takes more time to set up, but once yuou get =
you head=20
around it, I'd say it adds aout 15 to 30 minutes *per song* to your =
session=20
time but if you enjoy the Cubase editing capabilities, and the Paris mix =
bus=20
this is definitely the way to go.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now......how about getting those cool =
VST FX (can=20
you say convolution reverbs?) and VST delays on some Paris=20
auxes????.......well.....here's how:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> ____________________________________________________________ ____=
________________________________________</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mono and stereo VST effects in Cubase =
FX on Paris=20
auxes</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1. Physically patch a pair the I/O of =
the audio=20
interface you are using with Cubase to a pair of Paris I/O</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2. Route these Paris I/O to an aux in =
the Paris=20
patchbay and assign this aux to a record enabled track in =
Paris.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3. In Cubase > VST =
connections>make sure the=20
I/O of the card being used with Cubase are set up as mono or stereo =
input and=20
outputs</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>4. In Cubase > VST=20
connections>Group/FX>Add/FX and choose the effect you want on that =
FX=20
channel</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(at this point, if you want the effect=20
centerpanned, you can just use it as a send effect on a Cubase mono or =
stereo=20
audio track)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>5. In Cubase > VST=20
connections>Group/FX>Add/Group</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>6. In the Cubase project window =
go to the=20
Group Channel, rename it with the name of the Paris aux is is using and =
assign=20
it to the mono or stereo bus that is connected to the Paris =
aux.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>6. In the Cubase project window go to =
the FX=20
channel and insert the effect you chose in Add/FX on this channel and =
then=20
choose the same output bus for this channel that you chose for the Group =
Channel=20
so that this effect goes to the Paris aux</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>7. On the mono or stereo track in =
Cubase insert=20
this effect as a send effect.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>8. Make sure the channel faders for the =
audio=20
channel, the FX channel and the Group channel are set top =
unity.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>9. Start playback and make the =
necessary=20
adjustments in the send levels on the Cubase audio channel and the Paris =
aux=20
channel.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> ____________________________________________________________ ____=
_________________________________________</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In order use a hardware processor =
across submixes=20
in Paris............</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1. Physically patch a pair the I/O of =
the hardware=20
interface with the I/O of an audio interface you are using with=20
Cubase.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2. In Cubase > VST connections> =
create an=20
external effect and assign the I/O of the audio device that you are =
using with=20
Cubase SX</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3. In Cubase > VST=20
connections>Group/FX>Add/FX and choose the external effect that =
you=20
created.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>4. If you want centerpanned mono or =
stereo, at this=20
point you can just use this as a send effect on a mono or stereo audio =
track or=20
for pannable auxes in Paris, you can follow steps 5 through 9=20
above.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML>
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