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| Re: NAMM audio news #2 [message #78620 is a reply to message #78617] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 00:15   |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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And not a single 16-channel analog in to PCI-card (or PCI-e)
interface amongst 'em.
Everyone is just ceding the pro market to Digi & not even
trying.
SOMEONE PLEASE invent an ass-kicking 16 or 32-channel analog-in-
to-PCI interface that goes to at least 96k?
ALSO, could someone please convince Microsoft to release a
special slimmed-down, streamlined version of XP without all the
bloat, that's optimized for audio, and that doesn't have
9-zillion printer drivers & all that shit we don't need, and
that won't try to download 8 security updates a week, because
us DAW'ers are savvy enough to keep our rigs offline unless
we need to download a plugin update or the like, and that they
could probably sell three or four million of 'em globally at
$150 bucks apiece right off the bat if they did this?
This higher-end home & mid-level project studio market is huge,
and I think nearly every company out there is missing out on
what we all really need....
We don't need interfaces that have 2 built-in mic pres, four
analog line-in's & a SPDIF... we each have a rackful of Great
Rivers, Avalons, API's, Forssell's, Millennia's, Grace's,
Chandler's, Massenburg's, etc... NONE of which have SPDIF or
lightpipe outs... we don't need yer crappy pre's, we need 16 or
24 or 32 channels of BALANCED ANALOG inputs interfaced via PCI,
baby. Sell us a SPDIF & lightpipe option for $100 - $200 more
if we need 'it.
We don't really need a softlimit feature that you want to
charge us an extra couple hundred bucks for, as we have
Summitt, dbx, FMR, UA, CraneSong, and Empirical Labs outboard
dynamics sitting right here.
We also don't need a unit that does MIDI control for 8 channels
at a time if you want to toggle between groups of 8 with your
mouse, which is just as non-tactile as using your mouse for all
of it to begin with, when most of us are well into 30 or 40+
channels on a lot of our projects in the first place, but said
unit also serves as a monitor level control and has two crappy
mic pres and a SPDIF in, so they think it's kinda like an
interface combined with a console master section because
someone who had a hand in designing it saw an SSL once & it had
8 sets of VCA group faders below the monitor controls & the 6"
monochrome green screen in the center.
...........HOWEVER... what we COULD perhaps use is a compact
control surface that would do 32 tactile channels at a time -
and be selectable between either MIDI control and maybe even
one other protocol, and has three sets of knobs per channel
that can be assignable to EQ bands or aux sends, and that
DOESN'T have two crappy mic pres and a shitty active monitor
section since we already have a Presonus Central Station, or a
Mackie Big Knob, or a Coleman passive monitor control, etc.
Am I the only one that's noticing this? It's like all these
companies are ceding the high end range to Digi, and going to
more of the entry level stuff, when it seems there is SO much
money to be made in the zone between those two extremes (fuck,
just look at what we've all already spent on mics & pres...
think of how much we'd be willing spend on other stuff if it
were useful! LOL), if they would just combine the right
feature sets on some of their gear!
Neil
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Here is more stuff to check out. I'm wondering what the price on the Alesis
>MasterControl will be.
>
>
>Mackie Unveils Next-Generation Mackie Control Pro Series
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Mackie/PR/Co ntrol-Pro-Series.html
>
>Genex and Tonelux Announce 48-Channel Mic Pre/A to D Converter
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Tonelux/PR/S tage-Box.html
>
>Neutrik Introduces Industry's First Crimp-XLR Series At Winter NAMM
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Neutrik/PR/C rimp-XLR.html
>
>Focusrite Unveils The Saffire PRO 10 i/o
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Focusrite/PR /Saffire-PRO-10.html
>
>SM Pro Audio Releases Wave Panels Mic Thing Acoustic Treatment Panel
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Mic-Thing.html
>SM Pro Audio Showcases Nano Patch Passive Volume Control
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Nano-Patch.html
>
>Solid State Logic Exhibits XLogic Alpha Channel Strip At NAMM
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha.html
>Solid State Logic Releases Duende 1.5 For PC And Intel Mac
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/Duend e-1.5.html
>SSL
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha-Range.html
>More SSL
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Delta-Link-Ships.html
>Wave Arts To Debut Master Restoration Suite At Winter NAMM
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/WaveArts/PR/ Master-Restoration-Suite.html
>
>MasterControl & IO Control alesis.com
>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=106
>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=105
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| Re: NAMM audio news #2 [message #78621 is a reply to message #78620] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 01:24 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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There's Apogiee Symphony, but it's mac. If you going to run it for audio
only, what difference does the computer make if it will run your favorite
software?
The only other PCI choice I can think of is M-Audio Delta 1010. Hook up
four of them for 32 analog I/Os, four stereo SP/DIFs. You can have these
upgraded by Black Lion.
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta1010-main.html
http://www.blacklionaudio.com/maudio_delta_1010.html
There are other choices, but they are PCI FW, or PCI Light Pipe
RME
http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/HD192/
Have Black Lion upgrade it.
http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/
http://www.blacklionaudio.com/motu_firewire_mod.html
There's Apogiee Symphony, but it's mac. If you going to run it for audio
only, what difference does the computer make if it will run your favorite
software?
James
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>And not a single 16-channel analog in to PCI-card (or PCI-e)
>interface amongst 'em.
>
>Everyone is just ceding the pro market to Digi & not even
>trying.
>
>SOMEONE PLEASE invent an ass-kicking 16 or 32-channel analog-in-
>to-PCI interface that goes to at least 96k?
>
>ALSO, could someone please convince Microsoft to release a
>special slimmed-down, streamlined version of XP without all the
>bloat, that's optimized for audio, and that doesn't have
>9-zillion printer drivers & all that shit we don't need, and
>that won't try to download 8 security updates a week, because
>us DAW'ers are savvy enough to keep our rigs offline unless
>we need to download a plugin update or the like, and that they
>could probably sell three or four million of 'em globally at
>$150 bucks apiece right off the bat if they did this?
>
>This higher-end home & mid-level project studio market is huge,
>and I think nearly every company out there is missing out on
>what we all really need....
>
>We don't need interfaces that have 2 built-in mic pres, four
>analog line-in's & a SPDIF... we each have a rackful of Great
>Rivers, Avalons, API's, Forssell's, Millennia's, Grace's,
>Chandler's, Massenburg's, etc... NONE of which have SPDIF or
>lightpipe outs... we don't need yer crappy pre's, we need 16 or
>24 or 32 channels of BALANCED ANALOG inputs interfaced via PCI,
>baby. Sell us a SPDIF & lightpipe option for $100 - $200 more
>if we need 'it.
>
>We don't really need a softlimit feature that you want to
>charge us an extra couple hundred bucks for, as we have
>Summitt, dbx, FMR, UA, CraneSong, and Empirical Labs outboard
>dynamics sitting right here.
>
>We also don't need a unit that does MIDI control for 8 channels
>at a time if you want to toggle between groups of 8 with your
>mouse, which is just as non-tactile as using your mouse for all
>of it to begin with, when most of us are well into 30 or 40+
>channels on a lot of our projects in the first place, but said
>unit also serves as a monitor level control and has two crappy
>mic pres and a SPDIF in, so they think it's kinda like an
>interface combined with a console master section because
>someone who had a hand in designing it saw an SSL once & it had
>8 sets of VCA group faders below the monitor controls & the 6"
>monochrome green screen in the center.
>
>..........HOWEVER... what we COULD perhaps use is a compact
>control surface that would do 32 tactile channels at a time -
>and be selectable between either MIDI control and maybe even
>one other protocol, and has three sets of knobs per channel
>that can be assignable to EQ bands or aux sends, and that
>DOESN'T have two crappy mic pres and a shitty active monitor
>section since we already have a Presonus Central Station, or a
>Mackie Big Knob, or a Coleman passive monitor control, etc.
>
>Am I the only one that's noticing this? It's like all these
>companies are ceding the high end range to Digi, and going to
>more of the entry level stuff, when it seems there is SO much
>money to be made in the zone between those two extremes (fuck,
>just look at what we've all already spent on mics & pres...
>think of how much we'd be willing spend on other stuff if it
>were useful! LOL), if they would just combine the right
>feature sets on some of their gear!
>
>Neil
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>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Here is more stuff to check out. I'm wondering what the price on the Alesis
>>MasterControl will be.
>>
>>
>>Mackie Unveils Next-Generation Mackie Control Pro Series
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Mackie/PR/Co ntrol-Pro-Series.html
>>
>>Genex and Tonelux Announce 48-Channel Mic Pre/A to D Converter
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Tonelux/PR/S tage-Box.html
>>
>>Neutrik Introduces Industry's First Crimp-XLR Series At Winter NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Neutrik/PR/C rimp-XLR.html
>>
>>Focusrite Unveils The Saffire PRO 10 i/o
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Focusrite/PR /Saffire-PRO-10.html
>>
>>SM Pro Audio Releases Wave Panels Mic Thing Acoustic Treatment Panel
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Mic-Thing.html
>>SM Pro Audio Showcases Nano Patch Passive Volume Control
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Nano-Patch.html
>>
>>Solid State Logic Exhibits XLogic Alpha Channel Strip At NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha.html
>>Solid State Logic Releases Duende 1.5 For PC And Intel Mac
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/Duend e-1.5.html
>>SSL
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha-Range.html
>>More SSL
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Delta-Link-Ships.html
>>Wave Arts To Debut Master Restoration Suite At Winter NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/WaveArts/PR/ Master-Restoration-Suite.html
>>
>>MasterControl & IO Control alesis.com
>>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=106
>>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=105
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| Re: NAMM audio news #2 [message #78626 is a reply to message #78620] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 01:54 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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the aurora...lynx now has a pci-e card.
On 19 Jan 2007 18:15:45 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>And not a single 16-channel analog in to PCI-card (or PCI-e)
>interface amongst 'em.
>
>Everyone is just ceding the pro market to Digi & not even
>trying.
>
>SOMEONE PLEASE invent an ass-kicking 16 or 32-channel analog-in-
>to-PCI interface that goes to at least 96k?
>
>ALSO, could someone please convince Microsoft to release a
>special slimmed-down, streamlined version of XP without all the
>bloat, that's optimized for audio, and that doesn't have
>9-zillion printer drivers & all that shit we don't need, and
>that won't try to download 8 security updates a week, because
>us DAW'ers are savvy enough to keep our rigs offline unless
>we need to download a plugin update or the like, and that they
>could probably sell three or four million of 'em globally at
>$150 bucks apiece right off the bat if they did this?
>
>This higher-end home & mid-level project studio market is huge,
>and I think nearly every company out there is missing out on
>what we all really need....
>
>We don't need interfaces that have 2 built-in mic pres, four
>analog line-in's & a SPDIF... we each have a rackful of Great
>Rivers, Avalons, API's, Forssell's, Millennia's, Grace's,
>Chandler's, Massenburg's, etc... NONE of which have SPDIF or
>lightpipe outs... we don't need yer crappy pre's, we need 16 or
>24 or 32 channels of BALANCED ANALOG inputs interfaced via PCI,
>baby. Sell us a SPDIF & lightpipe option for $100 - $200 more
>if we need 'it.
>
>We don't really need a softlimit feature that you want to
>charge us an extra couple hundred bucks for, as we have
>Summitt, dbx, FMR, UA, CraneSong, and Empirical Labs outboard
>dynamics sitting right here.
>
>We also don't need a unit that does MIDI control for 8 channels
>at a time if you want to toggle between groups of 8 with your
>mouse, which is just as non-tactile as using your mouse for all
>of it to begin with, when most of us are well into 30 or 40+
>channels on a lot of our projects in the first place, but said
>unit also serves as a monitor level control and has two crappy
>mic pres and a SPDIF in, so they think it's kinda like an
>interface combined with a console master section because
>someone who had a hand in designing it saw an SSL once & it had
>8 sets of VCA group faders below the monitor controls & the 6"
>monochrome green screen in the center.
>
>..........HOWEVER... what we COULD perhaps use is a compact
>control surface that would do 32 tactile channels at a time -
>and be selectable between either MIDI control and maybe even
>one other protocol, and has three sets of knobs per channel
>that can be assignable to EQ bands or aux sends, and that
>DOESN'T have two crappy mic pres and a shitty active monitor
>section since we already have a Presonus Central Station, or a
>Mackie Big Knob, or a Coleman passive monitor control, etc.
>
>Am I the only one that's noticing this? It's like all these
>companies are ceding the high end range to Digi, and going to
>more of the entry level stuff, when it seems there is SO much
>money to be made in the zone between those two extremes (fuck,
>just look at what we've all already spent on mics & pres...
>think of how much we'd be willing spend on other stuff if it
>were useful! LOL), if they would just combine the right
>feature sets on some of their gear!
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Here is more stuff to check out. I'm wondering what the price on the Alesis
>>MasterControl will be.
>>
>>
>>Mackie Unveils Next-Generation Mackie Control Pro Series
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Mackie/PR/Co ntrol-Pro-Series.html
>>
>>Genex and Tonelux Announce 48-Channel Mic Pre/A to D Converter
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Tonelux/PR/S tage-Box.html
>>
>>Neutrik Introduces Industry's First Crimp-XLR Series At Winter NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Neutrik/PR/C rimp-XLR.html
>>
>>Focusrite Unveils The Saffire PRO 10 i/o
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Focusrite/PR /Saffire-PRO-10.html
>>
>>SM Pro Audio Releases Wave Panels Mic Thing Acoustic Treatment Panel
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Mic-Thing.html
>>SM Pro Audio Showcases Nano Patch Passive Volume Control
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Nano-Patch.html
>>
>>Solid State Logic Exhibits XLogic Alpha Channel Strip At NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha.html
>>Solid State Logic Releases Duende 1.5 For PC And Intel Mac
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/Duend e-1.5.html
>>SSL
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha-Range.html
>>More SSL
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Delta-Link-Ships.html
>>Wave Arts To Debut Master Restoration Suite At Winter NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/WaveArts/PR/ Master-Restoration-Suite.html
>>
>>MasterControl & IO Control alesis.com
>>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=106
>>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=105
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| Re: NAMM audio news #2 [message #78630 is a reply to message #78620] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 07:06 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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Hi Neil,
RME, Lynx, Apogee, Creamware, MOTU all offer more than 16 channels
interfaces already? All at potentially better sound quality and more
affordable prices and configuration options all of which have more I/O.
All of them would be a better value than even the entry level PT rig
even including the PC/MAC computer. If someone is doing a high end home
studio or production studio that only require 32 channels of I/O why
waste money on a PT system? Only reason I could possible see would be if
the person had to regularly go to a PT based studio with sessions. IN
most cases he could by Mbox or 002 and transfer the sessions that way if
they doesn't do it that often.
Chris
Neil wrote:
>And not a single 16-channel analog in to PCI-card (or PCI-e)
>interface amongst 'em.
>
>Everyone is just ceding the pro market to Digi & not even
>trying.
>
>SOMEONE PLEASE invent an ass-kicking 16 or 32-channel analog-in-
>to-PCI interface that goes to at least 96k?
>
>ALSO, could someone please convince Microsoft to release a
>special slimmed-down, streamlined version of XP without all the
>bloat, that's optimized for audio, and that doesn't have
>9-zillion printer drivers & all that shit we don't need, and
>that won't try to download 8 security updates a week, because
>us DAW'ers are savvy enough to keep our rigs offline unless
>we need to download a plugin update or the like, and that they
>could probably sell three or four million of 'em globally at
>$150 bucks apiece right off the bat if they did this?
>
>This higher-end home & mid-level project studio market is huge,
>and I think nearly every company out there is missing out on
>what we all really need....
>
>We don't need interfaces that have 2 built-in mic pres, four
>analog line-in's & a SPDIF... we each have a rackful of Great
>Rivers, Avalons, API's, Forssell's, Millennia's, Grace's,
>Chandler's, Massenburg's, etc... NONE of which have SPDIF or
>lightpipe outs... we don't need yer crappy pre's, we need 16 or
>24 or 32 channels of BALANCED ANALOG inputs interfaced via PCI,
>baby. Sell us a SPDIF & lightpipe option for $100 - $200 more
>if we need 'it.
>
>We don't really need a softlimit feature that you want to
>charge us an extra couple hundred bucks for, as we have
>Summitt, dbx, FMR, UA, CraneSong, and Empirical Labs outboard
>dynamics sitting right here.
>
>We also don't need a unit that does MIDI control for 8 channels
>at a time if you want to toggle between groups of 8 with your
>mouse, which is just as non-tactile as using your mouse for all
>of it to begin with, when most of us are well into 30 or 40+
>channels on a lot of our projects in the first place, but said
>unit also serves as a monitor level control and has two crappy
>mic pres and a SPDIF in, so they think it's kinda like an
>interface combined with a console master section because
>someone who had a hand in designing it saw an SSL once & it had
>8 sets of VCA group faders below the monitor controls & the 6"
>monochrome green screen in the center.
>
>..........HOWEVER... what we COULD perhaps use is a compact
>control surface that would do 32 tactile channels at a time -
>and be selectable between either MIDI control and maybe even
>one other protocol, and has three sets of knobs per channel
>that can be assignable to EQ bands or aux sends, and that
>DOESN'T have two crappy mic pres and a shitty active monitor
>section since we already have a Presonus Central Station, or a
>Mackie Big Knob, or a Coleman passive monitor control, etc.
>
>Am I the only one that's noticing this? It's like all these
>companies are ceding the high end range to Digi, and going to
>more of the entry level stuff, when it seems there is SO much
>money to be made in the zone between those two extremes (fuck,
>just look at what we've all already spent on mics & pres...
>think of how much we'd be willing spend on other stuff if it
>were useful! LOL), if they would just combine the right
>feature sets on some of their gear!
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Here is more stuff to check out. I'm wondering what the price on the Alesis
>>MasterControl will be.
>>
>>
>>Mackie Unveils Next-Generation Mackie Control Pro Series
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Mackie/PR/Co ntrol-Pro-Series.html
>>
>>Genex and Tonelux Announce 48-Channel Mic Pre/A to D Converter
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Tonelux/PR/S tage-Box.html
>>
>>Neutrik Introduces Industry's First Crimp-XLR Series At Winter NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Neutrik/PR/C rimp-XLR.html
>>
>>Focusrite Unveils The Saffire PRO 10 i/o
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Focusrite/PR /Saffire-PRO-10.html
>>
>>SM Pro Audio Releases Wave Panels Mic Thing Acoustic Treatment Panel
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Mic-Thing.html
>>SM Pro Audio Showcases Nano Patch Passive Volume Control
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Nano-Patch.html
>>
>>Solid State Logic Exhibits XLogic Alpha Channel Strip At NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha.html
>>Solid State Logic Releases Duende 1.5 For PC And Intel Mac
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/Duend e-1.5.html
>>SSL
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha-Range.html
>>More SSL
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Delta-Link-Ships.html
>>Wave Arts To Debut Master Restoration Suite At Winter NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/WaveArts/PR/ Master-Restoration-Suite.html
>>
>>MasterControl & IO Control alesis.com
>>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=106
>>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=105
>>
>>
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ADK
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www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
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| Re: NAMM audio news #2..Here you go Neil! [message #78636 is a reply to message #78620] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 08:44 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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SSL Launches Mixpander
http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4095
James
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>And not a single 16-channel analog in to PCI-card (or PCI-e)
>interface amongst 'em.
>
>Everyone is just ceding the pro market to Digi & not even
>trying.
>
>SOMEONE PLEASE invent an ass-kicking 16 or 32-channel analog-in-
>to-PCI interface that goes to at least 96k?
>
>ALSO, could someone please convince Microsoft to release a
>special slimmed-down, streamlined version of XP without all the
>bloat, that's optimized for audio, and that doesn't have
>9-zillion printer drivers & all that shit we don't need, and
>that won't try to download 8 security updates a week, because
>us DAW'ers are savvy enough to keep our rigs offline unless
>we need to download a plugin update or the like, and that they
>could probably sell three or four million of 'em globally at
>$150 bucks apiece right off the bat if they did this?
>
>This higher-end home & mid-level project studio market is huge,
>and I think nearly every company out there is missing out on
>what we all really need....
>
>We don't need interfaces that have 2 built-in mic pres, four
>analog line-in's & a SPDIF... we each have a rackful of Great
>Rivers, Avalons, API's, Forssell's, Millennia's, Grace's,
>Chandler's, Massenburg's, etc... NONE of which have SPDIF or
>lightpipe outs... we don't need yer crappy pre's, we need 16 or
>24 or 32 channels of BALANCED ANALOG inputs interfaced via PCI,
>baby. Sell us a SPDIF & lightpipe option for $100 - $200 more
>if we need 'it.
>
>We don't really need a softlimit feature that you want to
>charge us an extra couple hundred bucks for, as we have
>Summitt, dbx, FMR, UA, CraneSong, and Empirical Labs outboard
>dynamics sitting right here.
>
>We also don't need a unit that does MIDI control for 8 channels
>at a time if you want to toggle between groups of 8 with your
>mouse, which is just as non-tactile as using your mouse for all
>of it to begin with, when most of us are well into 30 or 40+
>channels on a lot of our projects in the first place, but said
>unit also serves as a monitor level control and has two crappy
>mic pres and a SPDIF in, so they think it's kinda like an
>interface combined with a console master section because
>someone who had a hand in designing it saw an SSL once & it had
>8 sets of VCA group faders below the monitor controls & the 6"
>monochrome green screen in the center.
>
>..........HOWEVER... what we COULD perhaps use is a compact
>control surface that would do 32 tactile channels at a time -
>and be selectable between either MIDI control and maybe even
>one other protocol, and has three sets of knobs per channel
>that can be assignable to EQ bands or aux sends, and that
>DOESN'T have two crappy mic pres and a shitty active monitor
>section since we already have a Presonus Central Station, or a
>Mackie Big Knob, or a Coleman passive monitor control, etc.
>
>Am I the only one that's noticing this? It's like all these
>companies are ceding the high end range to Digi, and going to
>more of the entry level stuff, when it seems there is SO much
>money to be made in the zone between those two extremes (fuck,
>just look at what we've all already spent on mics & pres...
>think of how much we'd be willing spend on other stuff if it
>were useful! LOL), if they would just combine the right
>feature sets on some of their gear!
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Here is more stuff to check out. I'm wondering what the price on the Alesis
>>MasterControl will be.
>>
>>
>>Mackie Unveils Next-Generation Mackie Control Pro Series
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Mackie/PR/Co ntrol-Pro-Series.html
>>
>>Genex and Tonelux Announce 48-Channel Mic Pre/A to D Converter
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Tonelux/PR/S tage-Box.html
>>
>>Neutrik Introduces Industry's First Crimp-XLR Series At Winter NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Neutrik/PR/C rimp-XLR.html
>>
>>Focusrite Unveils The Saffire PRO 10 i/o
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Focusrite/PR /Saffire-PRO-10.html
>>
>>SM Pro Audio Releases Wave Panels Mic Thing Acoustic Treatment Panel
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Mic-Thing.html
>>SM Pro Audio Showcases Nano Patch Passive Volume Control
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Nano-Patch.html
>>
>>Solid State Logic Exhibits XLogic Alpha Channel Strip At NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha.html
>>Solid State Logic Releases Duende 1.5 For PC And Intel Mac
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/Duend e-1.5.html
>>SSL
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha-Range.html
>>More SSL
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Delta-Link-Ships.html
>>Wave Arts To Debut Master Restoration Suite At Winter NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/WaveArts/PR/ Master-Restoration-Suite.html
>>
>>MasterControl & IO Control alesis.com
>>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=106
>>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=105
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| Re: NAMM audio news #2..No balls [message #78638 is a reply to message #78620] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 08:46 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Hey Neil.. Do a search on my Rant about the Middle ground DAW. Aka .the 3k-6k
Setup..Not to be found.
These socalled manufacturers are all( Like James M) has stated are only interrested
in the Bedroom, first time beginner to hobyist market. It takes them off
the hook of demand semi pors to pros.
Then, you have the BS#, so called Boutique audio market. Companies charging
ungodly amounts of money for old designed that design to stamp a foot-print
signature on you audio. Rediculous!!
For all the gains and strides we've made since the much coveted 1997(Paris's
Birth on the market), we'v eseem to have taken 10 steps backwards.. Sad,
really sad..
No Balls Namm.
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>And not a single 16-channel analog in to PCI-card (or PCI-e)
>interface amongst 'em.
>
>Everyone is just ceding the pro market to Digi & not even
>trying.
>
>SOMEONE PLEASE invent an ass-kicking 16 or 32-channel analog-in-
>to-PCI interface that goes to at least 96k?
>
>ALSO, could someone please convince Microsoft to release a
>special slimmed-down, streamlined version of XP without all the
>bloat, that's optimized for audio, and that doesn't have
>9-zillion printer drivers & all that shit we don't need, and
>that won't try to download 8 security updates a week, because
>us DAW'ers are savvy enough to keep our rigs offline unless
>we need to download a plugin update or the like, and that they
>could probably sell three or four million of 'em globally at
>$150 bucks apiece right off the bat if they did this?
>
>This higher-end home & mid-level project studio market is huge,
>and I think nearly every company out there is missing out on
>what we all really need....
>
>We don't need interfaces that have 2 built-in mic pres, four
>analog line-in's & a SPDIF... we each have a rackful of Great
>Rivers, Avalons, API's, Forssell's, Millennia's, Grace's,
>Chandler's, Massenburg's, etc... NONE of which have SPDIF or
>lightpipe outs... we don't need yer crappy pre's, we need 16 or
>24 or 32 channels of BALANCED ANALOG inputs interfaced via PCI,
>baby. Sell us a SPDIF & lightpipe option for $100 - $200 more
>if we need 'it.
>
>We don't really need a softlimit feature that you want to
>charge us an extra couple hundred bucks for, as we have
>Summitt, dbx, FMR, UA, CraneSong, and Empirical Labs outboard
>dynamics sitting right here.
>
>We also don't need a unit that does MIDI control for 8 channels
>at a time if you want to toggle between groups of 8 with your
>mouse, which is just as non-tactile as using your mouse for all
>of it to begin with, when most of us are well into 30 or 40+
>channels on a lot of our projects in the first place, but said
>unit also serves as a monitor level control and has two crappy
>mic pres and a SPDIF in, so they think it's kinda like an
>interface combined with a console master section because
>someone who had a hand in designing it saw an SSL once & it had
>8 sets of VCA group faders below the monitor controls & the 6"
>monochrome green screen in the center.
>
>..........HOWEVER... what we COULD perhaps use is a compact
>control surface that would do 32 tactile channels at a time -
>and be selectable between either MIDI control and maybe even
>one other protocol, and has three sets of knobs per channel
>that can be assignable to EQ bands or aux sends, and that
>DOESN'T have two crappy mic pres and a shitty active monitor
>section since we already have a Presonus Central Station, or a
>Mackie Big Knob, or a Coleman passive monitor control, etc.
>
>Am I the only one that's noticing this? It's like all these
>companies are ceding the high end range to Digi, and going to
>more of the entry level stuff, when it seems there is SO much
>money to be made in the zone between those two extremes (fuck,
>just look at what we've all already spent on mics & pres...
>think of how much we'd be willing spend on other stuff if it
>were useful! LOL), if they would just combine the right
>feature sets on some of their gear!
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Here is more stuff to check out. I'm wondering what the price on the Alesis
>>MasterControl will be.
>>
>>
>>Mackie Unveils Next-Generation Mackie Control Pro Series
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Mackie/PR/Co ntrol-Pro-Series.html
>>
>>Genex and Tonelux Announce 48-Channel Mic Pre/A to D Converter
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Tonelux/PR/S tage-Box.html
>>
>>Neutrik Introduces Industry's First Crimp-XLR Series At Winter NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Neutrik/PR/C rimp-XLR.html
>>
>>Focusrite Unveils The Saffire PRO 10 i/o
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Focusrite/PR /Saffire-PRO-10.html
>>
>>SM Pro Audio Releases Wave Panels Mic Thing Acoustic Treatment Panel
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Mic-Thing.html
>>SM Pro Audio Showcases Nano Patch Passive Volume Control
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Nano-Patch.html
>>
>>Solid State Logic Exhibits XLogic Alpha Channel Strip At NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha.html
>>Solid State Logic Releases Duende 1.5 For PC And Intel Mac
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/Duend e-1.5.html
>>SSL
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha-Range.html
>>More SSL
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Delta-Link-Ships.html
>>Wave Arts To Debut Master Restoration Suite At Winter NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/WaveArts/PR/ Master-Restoration-Suite.html
>>
>>MasterControl & IO Control alesis.com
>>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=106
>>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=105
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| Re: NAMM audio news #2..Here you go Neil! [message #78643 is a reply to message #78636] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 08:08 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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I almost got excited when I saw this yesterday until I realized it's just a
repackaged Soundscape interface.
Dedric
On 1/19/07 9:44 AM, in article 45b0e74b$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
<excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> SSL Launches Mixpander
> http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4095
>
> James
>
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>> And not a single 16-channel analog in to PCI-card (or PCI-e)
>> interface amongst 'em.
>>
>> Everyone is just ceding the pro market to Digi & not even
>> trying.
>>
>> SOMEONE PLEASE invent an ass-kicking 16 or 32-channel analog-in-
>> to-PCI interface that goes to at least 96k?
>>
>> ALSO, could someone please convince Microsoft to release a
>> special slimmed-down, streamlined version of XP without all the
>> bloat, that's optimized for audio, and that doesn't have
>> 9-zillion printer drivers & all that shit we don't need, and
>> that won't try to download 8 security updates a week, because
>> us DAW'ers are savvy enough to keep our rigs offline unless
>> we need to download a plugin update or the like, and that they
>> could probably sell three or four million of 'em globally at
>> $150 bucks apiece right off the bat if they did this?
>>
>> This higher-end home & mid-level project studio market is huge,
>> and I think nearly every company out there is missing out on
>> what we all really need....
>>
>> We don't need interfaces that have 2 built-in mic pres, four
>> analog line-in's & a SPDIF... we each have a rackful of Great
>> Rivers, Avalons, API's, Forssell's, Millennia's, Grace's,
>> Chandler's, Massenburg's, etc... NONE of which have SPDIF or
>> lightpipe outs... we don't need yer crappy pre's, we need 16 or
>> 24 or 32 channels of BALANCED ANALOG inputs interfaced via PCI,
>> baby. Sell us a SPDIF & lightpipe option for $100 - $200 more
>> if we need 'it.
>>
>> We don't really need a softlimit feature that you want to
>> charge us an extra couple hundred bucks for, as we have
>> Summitt, dbx, FMR, UA, CraneSong, and Empirical Labs outboard
>> dynamics sitting right here.
>>
>> We also don't need a unit that does MIDI control for 8 channels
>> at a time if you want to toggle between groups of 8 with your
>> mouse, which is just as non-tactile as using your mouse for all
>> of it to begin with, when most of us are well into 30 or 40+
>> channels on a lot of our projects in the first place, but said
>> unit also serves as a monitor level control and has two crappy
>> mic pres and a SPDIF in, so they think it's kinda like an
>> interface combined with a console master section because
>> someone who had a hand in designing it saw an SSL once & it had
>> 8 sets of VCA group faders below the monitor controls & the 6"
>> monochrome green screen in the center.
>>
>> ..........HOWEVER... what we COULD perhaps use is a compact
>> control surface that would do 32 tactile channels at a time -
>> and be selectable between either MIDI control and maybe even
>> one other protocol, and has three sets of knobs per channel
>> that can be assignable to EQ bands or aux sends, and that
>> DOESN'T have two crappy mic pres and a shitty active monitor
>> section since we already have a Presonus Central Station, or a
>> Mackie Big Knob, or a Coleman passive monitor control, etc.
>>
>> Am I the only one that's noticing this? It's like all these
>> companies are ceding the high end range to Digi, and going to
>> more of the entry level stuff, when it seems there is SO much
>> money to be made in the zone between those two extremes (fuck,
>> just look at what we've all already spent on mics & pres...
>> think of how much we'd be willing spend on other stuff if it
>> were useful! LOL), if they would just combine the right
>> feature sets on some of their gear!
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is more stuff to check out. I'm wondering what the price on the Alesis
>>> MasterControl will be.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mackie Unveils Next-Generation Mackie Control Pro Series
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Mackie/PR/Co ntrol-Pro-Series
>>> .html
>>>
>>> Genex and Tonelux Announce 48-Channel Mic Pre/A to D Converter
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Tonelux/PR/S tage-Box.html
>>>
>>> Neutrik Introduces Industry's First Crimp-XLR Series At Winter NAMM
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Neutrik/PR/C rimp-XLR.html
>>>
>>> Focusrite Unveils The Saffire PRO 10 i/o
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Focusrite/PR /Saffire-PRO-10.
>>> html
>>>
>>> SM Pro Audio Releases Wave Panels Mic Thing Acoustic Treatment Panel
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Mic-Thing.html
>>> SM Pro Audio Showcases Nano Patch Passive Volume Control
>>>
http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Nano-Patch.htm>>>
l
>>>
>>> Solid State Logic Exhibits XLogic Alpha Channel Strip At NAMM
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha.html
>>> Solid State Logic Releases Duende 1.5 For PC And Intel Mac
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/Duend e-1.5.html
>>> SSL
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha-Range.ht
>>> ml
>>> More SSL
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Delta-Link-Shi
>>> ps.html
>>> Wave Arts To Debut Master Restoration Suite At Winter NAMM
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/WaveArts/PR/ Master-Restorati
>>> on-Suite.html
>>>
>>> MasterControl & IO Control alesis.com
>>> http://alesis.com/product.php?id=106
>>> http://alesis.com/product.php?id=105
>>
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| Re: NAMM audio news #2..Here you go Neil! [message #78645 is a reply to message #78643] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 08:20 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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Senior Member |
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I think these are made by Apogee, FWIW....at least SS was advertizing a
similar looking Apogee branded interface a few years ago. If it's Apogee, it
ain't gonna' be cheap.
An RME HDSP 9652 with 24 Apogee/Mytek/Lucid, etc. AD/DA's interfacing via
lightpipe would cover the 16+ AD/DA reauirement for a "pro* DAW.
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
news:C1D63B03.6CD0%dterry@keyofd.net...
>I almost got excited when I saw this yesterday until I realized it's just a
> repackaged Soundscape interface.
>
> Dedric
>
> On 1/19/07 9:44 AM, in article 45b0e74b$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> SSL Launches Mixpander
>> http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4095
>>
>> James
>>
>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And not a single 16-channel analog in to PCI-card (or PCI-e)
>>> interface amongst 'em.
>>>
>>> Everyone is just ceding the pro market to Digi & not even
>>> trying.
>>>
>>> SOMEONE PLEASE invent an ass-kicking 16 or 32-channel analog-in-
>>> to-PCI interface that goes to at least 96k?
>>>
>>> ALSO, could someone please convince Microsoft to release a
>>> special slimmed-down, streamlined version of XP without all the
>>> bloat, that's optimized for audio, and that doesn't have
>>> 9-zillion printer drivers & all that shit we don't need, and
>>> that won't try to download 8 security updates a week, because
>>> us DAW'ers are savvy enough to keep our rigs offline unless
>>> we need to download a plugin update or the like, and that they
>>> could probably sell three or four million of 'em globally at
>>> $150 bucks apiece right off the bat if they did this?
>>>
>>> This higher-end home & mid-level project studio market is huge,
>>> and I think nearly every company out there is missing out on
>>> what we all really need....
>>>
>>> We don't need interfaces that have 2 built-in mic pres, four
>>> analog line-in's & a SPDIF... we each have a rackful of Great
>>> Rivers, Avalons, API's, Forssell's, Millennia's, Grace's,
>>> Chandler's, Massenburg's, etc... NONE of which have SPDIF or
>>> lightpipe outs... we don't need yer crappy pre's, we need 16 or
>>> 24 or 32 channels of BALANCED ANALOG inputs interfaced via PCI,
>>> baby. Sell us a SPDIF & lightpipe option for $100 - $200 more
>>> if we need 'it.
>>>
>>> We don't really need a softlimit feature that you want to
>>> charge us an extra couple hundred bucks for, as we have
>>> Summitt, dbx, FMR, UA, CraneSong, and Empirical Labs outboard
>>> dynamics sitting right here.
>>>
>>> We also don't need a unit that does MIDI control for 8 channels
>>> at a time if you want to toggle between groups of 8 with your
>>> mouse, which is just as non-tactile as using your mouse for all
>>> of it to begin with, when most of us are well into 30 or 40+
>>> channels on a lot of our projects in the first place, but said
>>> unit also serves as a monitor level control and has two crappy
>>> mic pres and a SPDIF in, so they think it's kinda like an
>>> interface combined with a console master section because
>>> someone who had a hand in designing it saw an SSL once & it had
>>> 8 sets of VCA group faders below the monitor controls & the 6"
>>> monochrome green screen in the center.
>>>
>>> ..........HOWEVER... what we COULD perhaps use is a compact
>>> control surface that would do 32 tactile channels at a time -
>>> and be selectable between either MIDI control and maybe even
>>> one other protocol, and has three sets of knobs per channel
>>> that can be assignable to EQ bands or aux sends, and that
>>> DOESN'T have two crappy mic pres and a shitty active monitor
>>> section since we already have a Presonus Central Station, or a
>>> Mackie Big Knob, or a Coleman passive monitor control, etc.
>>>
>>> Am I the only one that's noticing this? It's like all these
>>> companies are ceding the high end range to Digi, and going to
>>> more of the entry level stuff, when it seems there is SO much
>>> money to be made in the zone between those two extremes (fuck,
>>> just look at what we've all already spent on mics & pres...
>>> think of how much we'd be willing spend on other stuff if it
>>> were useful! LOL), if they would just combine the right
>>> feature sets on some of their gear!
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Here is more stuff to check out. I'm wondering what the price on the
>>>> Alesis
>>>> MasterControl will be.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mackie Unveils Next-Generation Mackie Control Pro Series
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Mackie/PR/Co ntrol-Pro-Series
>>>> .html
>>>>
>>>> Genex and Tonelux Announce 48-Channel Mic Pre/A to D Converter
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Tonelux/PR/S tage-Box.html
>>>>
>>>> Neutrik Introduces Industry's First Crimp-XLR Series At Winter NAMM
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Neutrik/PR/C rimp-XLR.html
>>>>
>>>> Focusrite Unveils The Saffire PRO 10 i/o
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Focusrite/PR /Saffire-PRO-10.
>>>> html
>>>>
>>>> SM Pro Audio Releases Wave Panels Mic Thing Acoustic Treatment Panel
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Mic-Thing.html
>>>> SM Pro Audio Showcases Nano Patch Passive Volume Control
>>>>
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Nano-Patch.htm>>>
> l
>>>>
>>>> Solid State Logic Exhibits XLogic Alpha Channel Strip At NAMM
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha.html
>>>> Solid State Logic Releases Duende 1.5 For PC And Intel Mac
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/Duend e-1.5.html
>>>> SSL
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha-Range.ht
>>>> ml
>>>> More SSL
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Delta-Link-Shi
>>>> ps.html
>>>> Wave Arts To Debut Master Restoration Suite At Winter NAMM
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/WaveArts/PR/ Master-Restorati
>>>> on-Suite.html
>>>>
>>>> MasterControl & IO Control alesis.com
>>>> http://alesis.com/product.php?id=106
>>>> http://alesis.com/product.php?id=105
>>>
>>
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| Re: NAMM audio news #2 [message #78650 is a reply to message #78620] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 09:41 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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Hey Neil,
About the XP stuff. A base XP install from an SPS2 disk only starts a few
services, and you can disable most of them. And if security patches bother
you, right click on your network interface and select 'disable' and you're
good to go.
TCB
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>And not a single 16-channel analog in to PCI-card (or PCI-e)
>interface amongst 'em.
>
>Everyone is just ceding the pro market to Digi & not even
>trying.
>
>SOMEONE PLEASE invent an ass-kicking 16 or 32-channel analog-in-
>to-PCI interface that goes to at least 96k?
>
>ALSO, could someone please convince Microsoft to release a
>special slimmed-down, streamlined version of XP without all the
>bloat, that's optimized for audio, and that doesn't have
>9-zillion printer drivers & all that shit we don't need, and
>that won't try to download 8 security updates a week, because
>us DAW'ers are savvy enough to keep our rigs offline unless
>we need to download a plugin update or the like, and that they
>could probably sell three or four million of 'em globally at
>$150 bucks apiece right off the bat if they did this?
>
>This higher-end home & mid-level project studio market is huge,
>and I think nearly every company out there is missing out on
>what we all really need....
>
>We don't need interfaces that have 2 built-in mic pres, four
>analog line-in's & a SPDIF... we each have a rackful of Great
>Rivers, Avalons, API's, Forssell's, Millennia's, Grace's,
>Chandler's, Massenburg's, etc... NONE of which have SPDIF or
>lightpipe outs... we don't need yer crappy pre's, we need 16 or
>24 or 32 channels of BALANCED ANALOG inputs interfaced via PCI,
>baby. Sell us a SPDIF & lightpipe option for $100 - $200 more
>if we need 'it.
>
>We don't really need a softlimit feature that you want to
>charge us an extra couple hundred bucks for, as we have
>Summitt, dbx, FMR, UA, CraneSong, and Empirical Labs outboard
>dynamics sitting right here.
>
>We also don't need a unit that does MIDI control for 8 channels
>at a time if you want to toggle between groups of 8 with your
>mouse, which is just as non-tactile as using your mouse for all
>of it to begin with, when most of us are well into 30 or 40+
>channels on a lot of our projects in the first place, but said
>unit also serves as a monitor level control and has two crappy
>mic pres and a SPDIF in, so they think it's kinda like an
>interface combined with a console master section because
>someone who had a hand in designing it saw an SSL once & it had
>8 sets of VCA group faders below the monitor controls & the 6"
>monochrome green screen in the center.
>
>..........HOWEVER... what we COULD perhaps use is a compact
>control surface that would do 32 tactile channels at a time -
>and be selectable between either MIDI control and maybe even
>one other protocol, and has three sets of knobs per channel
>that can be assignable to EQ bands or aux sends, and that
>DOESN'T have two crappy mic pres and a shitty active monitor
>section since we already have a Presonus Central Station, or a
>Mackie Big Knob, or a Coleman passive monitor control, etc.
>
>Am I the only one that's noticing this? It's like all these
>companies are ceding the high end range to Digi, and going to
>more of the entry level stuff, when it seems there is SO much
>money to be made in the zone between those two extremes (fuck,
>just look at what we've all already spent on mics & pres...
>think of how much we'd be willing spend on other stuff if it
>were useful! LOL), if they would just combine the right
>feature sets on some of their gear!
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Here is more stuff to check out. I'm wondering what the price on the Alesis
>>MasterControl will be.
>>
>>
>>Mackie Unveils Next-Generation Mackie Control Pro Series
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Mackie/PR/Co ntrol-Pro-Series.html
>>
>>Genex and Tonelux Announce 48-Channel Mic Pre/A to D Converter
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Tonelux/PR/S tage-Box.html
>>
>>Neutrik Introduces Industry's First Crimp-XLR Series At Winter NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Neutrik/PR/C rimp-XLR.html
>>
>>Focusrite Unveils The Saffire PRO 10 i/o
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Focusrite/PR /Saffire-PRO-10.html
>>
>>SM Pro Audio Releases Wave Panels Mic Thing Acoustic Treatment Panel
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Mic-Thing.html
>>SM Pro Audio Showcases Nano Patch Passive Volume Control
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Nano-Patch.html
>>
>>Solid State Logic Exhibits XLogic Alpha Channel Strip At NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha.html
>>Solid State Logic Releases Duende 1.5 For PC And Intel Mac
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/Duend e-1.5.html
>>SSL
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha-Range.html
>>More SSL
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Delta-Link-Ships.html
>>Wave Arts To Debut Master Restoration Suite At Winter NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/WaveArts/PR/ Master-Restoration-Suite.html
>>
>>MasterControl & IO Control alesis.com
>>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=106
>>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=105
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| Re: NAMM audio news #2 [message #78668 is a reply to message #78620] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 11:13 |
Graham Duncan
Messages: 147
Registered: December 2008
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RME AES or MADI/AES, and 2 or 3 Mytek 8x192 A/D/A, or Lynx A/D/A. Heck,
I read that RADAR is going to release standalone converters too (from
Fletcher on Prosoundweb). Or if you want to spend less, get a few RME
ADAT interfaces of your choice and an Alesis HD24XR or two (for 24
channels at 96k). Have the HD24XRs modified by Jim Williams and they're
very nice for very little money.
All of the current solutions have drawbacks, though. If you want a real
tracking studio setup, you're still pretty much stuck doing monitor
mixes on a small console unless you feel confident mixing for headphones
in TotalMix, etc. I haven't tried using a Mackie Control on TotalMix
yet, maybe that would work well.
I guess this is where ProTools HD wins (or Paris in its day), the
integration of monitoring for tracking. Or is it something else?
Graham
Neil wrote:
> And not a single 16-channel analog in to PCI-card (or PCI-e)
> interface amongst 'em.
>
> Everyone is just ceding the pro market to Digi & not even
> trying.
>
> SOMEONE PLEASE invent an ass-kicking 16 or 32-channel analog-in-
> to-PCI interface that goes to at least 96k?
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