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| A box that turns SMPTE into other sync formats (with adjustable tempo?) [message #85093] |
Wed, 23 May 2007 18:23  |
Kim
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Is there such a thing? I know very little about SMPTE and syncing.
I have a device that has no sync facility, however it has an option to play
back an MP3 audio track alongside it's stuff. This audio track could be an
MP3 of SMPTE. (is an MP3 good enough for SMPTE?).
Is there such a thing as a box I could buy which would turn SMPTE into MIDI
clock or something?
The difficulty I forsee is that the device in question is a looping device,
so every 8 bars or so the SMPTE clock would return to the zero position.
What issues will this cause? I understand SMPTE takes a little time to sync?
Mmm, it's not going to work is it? DOH!
Anybody have any comments?
Cheers,
Kim.
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| Re: A box that turns SMPTE into other sync formats (with adjustable tempo?) [message #85098 is a reply to message #85093] |
Wed, 23 May 2007 19:27  |
TCB
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Most higher end MIDI interfaces include the ability to take an audio SMPTE
track and convert it to Midi Time Code. I wrote a big story about it at some
point. The degree to which your software will respond to either is a function
of the software. If memory serves PARIS was 'loopable' when slaved to timecode
but I could be wrong. For digital DJ'ing I use DJ Decks (www.djdecks.be)
which is software specifically designed to allow scratching, needle drops,
fast braking, and so on when sync'ed to time code vinyl. It's almost creepily
good, but then again the developer set out to design software to do exactly
that. Not many DAWs set as their goal responding to time code changes in,
say, less than a frame.
But what you're talking about is almost certainly possible, if not particularly
easy.
Good luck,
TCB
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>
>Is there such a thing? I know very little about SMPTE and syncing.
>
>I have a device that has no sync facility, however it has an option to play
>back an MP3 audio track alongside it's stuff. This audio track could be
an
>MP3 of SMPTE. (is an MP3 good enough for SMPTE?).
>
>Is there such a thing as a box I could buy which would turn SMPTE into MIDI
>clock or something?
>
>The difficulty I forsee is that the device in question is a looping device,
>so every 8 bars or so the SMPTE clock would return to the zero position.
>What issues will this cause? I understand SMPTE takes a little time to sync?
>
>Mmm, it's not going to work is it? DOH!
>
>Anybody have any comments?
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
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| Re: A box that turns SMPTE into other sync formats (with adjustable tempo?) [message #85099 is a reply to message #85098] |
Wed, 23 May 2007 19:29 |
Rod Lincoln
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OK, well, I may stand corrected. Thanks Thad. Kim, I'll be interested in what
you find out.
Rod
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>Most higher end MIDI interfaces include the ability to take an audio SMPTE
>track and convert it to Midi Time Code. I wrote a big story about it at
some
>point. The degree to which your software will respond to either is a function
>of the software. If memory serves PARIS was 'loopable' when slaved to timecode
>but I could be wrong. For digital DJ'ing I use DJ Decks (www.djdecks.be)
>which is software specifically designed to allow scratching, needle drops,
>fast braking, and so on when sync'ed to time code vinyl. It's almost creepily
>good, but then again the developer set out to design software to do exactly
>that. Not many DAWs set as their goal responding to time code changes in,
>say, less than a frame.
>
>But what you're talking about is almost certainly possible, if not particularly
>easy.
>
>Good luck,
>
>TCB
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>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>
>>Is there such a thing? I know very little about SMPTE and syncing.
>>
>>I have a device that has no sync facility, however it has an option to
play
>>back an MP3 audio track alongside it's stuff. This audio track could be
>an
>>MP3 of SMPTE. (is an MP3 good enough for SMPTE?).
>>
>>Is there such a thing as a box I could buy which would turn SMPTE into
MIDI
>>clock or something?
>>
>>The difficulty I forsee is that the device in question is a looping device,
>>so every 8 bars or so the SMPTE clock would return to the zero position.
>>What issues will this cause? I understand SMPTE takes a little time to
sync?
>>
>>Mmm, it's not going to work is it? DOH!
>>
>>Anybody have any comments?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>>
>>
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| Re: A box that turns SMPTE into other sync formats (with adjustable tempo?) [message #85100 is a reply to message #85098] |
Wed, 23 May 2007 19:30 |
TCB
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Scratch what I said about PARIS being 'loopable' with SMPTE. I was using ADAT
time code with a Frontier Designs card in the slave Cubase machine that would
read the slightly flaky ADAT time code that the PARIS MEC module spit out.
You could just copy the loop over and over and run the SMPTE without looping,
that's not terribly difficult.
TCB
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>Most higher end MIDI interfaces include the ability to take an audio SMPTE
>track and convert it to Midi Time Code. I wrote a big story about it at
some
>point. The degree to which your software will respond to either is a function
>of the software. If memory serves PARIS was 'loopable' when slaved to timecode
>but I could be wrong. For digital DJ'ing I use DJ Decks (www.djdecks.be)
>which is software specifically designed to allow scratching, needle drops,
>fast braking, and so on when sync'ed to time code vinyl. It's almost creepily
>good, but then again the developer set out to design software to do exactly
>that. Not many DAWs set as their goal responding to time code changes in,
>say, less than a frame.
>
>But what you're talking about is almost certainly possible, if not particularly
>easy.
>
>Good luck,
>
>TCB
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>
>>Is there such a thing? I know very little about SMPTE and syncing.
>>
>>I have a device that has no sync facility, however it has an option to
play
>>back an MP3 audio track alongside it's stuff. This audio track could be
>an
>>MP3 of SMPTE. (is an MP3 good enough for SMPTE?).
>>
>>Is there such a thing as a box I could buy which would turn SMPTE into
MIDI
>>clock or something?
>>
>>The difficulty I forsee is that the device in question is a looping device,
>>so every 8 bars or so the SMPTE clock would return to the zero position.
>>What issues will this cause? I understand SMPTE takes a little time to
sync?
>>
>>Mmm, it's not going to work is it? DOH!
>>
>>Anybody have any comments?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>>
>>
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| Re: A box that turns SMPTE into other sync formats (with adjustable tempo?) [message #85104 is a reply to message #85100] |
Wed, 23 May 2007 19:51 |
Kim
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Thad,
Thanks heaps for your response (and you Rod).
What I'm trying to do is actually for use outside the studio, for live use,
hence Paris actually won't be around anyhow.
And I won't have opportunity to copy the loop over and over for the same
reason. It's a live show and the loops will be on my GNX-4... it don't do
copy and paste. ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>Scratch what I said about PARIS being 'loopable' with SMPTE. I was using
ADAT
>time code with a Frontier Designs card in the slave Cubase machine that
would
>read the slightly flaky ADAT time code that the PARIS MEC module spit out.
>
>
>You could just copy the loop over and over and run the SMPTE without looping,
>that's not terribly difficult.
>
>TCB
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Most higher end MIDI interfaces include the ability to take an audio SMPTE
>>track and convert it to Midi Time Code. I wrote a big story about it at
>some
>>point. The degree to which your software will respond to either is a function
>>of the software. If memory serves PARIS was 'loopable' when slaved to timecode
>>but I could be wrong. For digital DJ'ing I use DJ Decks (www.djdecks.be)
>>which is software specifically designed to allow scratching, needle drops,
>>fast braking, and so on when sync'ed to time code vinyl. It's almost creepily
>>good, but then again the developer set out to design software to do exactly
>>that. Not many DAWs set as their goal responding to time code changes in,
>>say, less than a frame.
>>
>>But what you're talking about is almost certainly possible, if not particularly
>>easy.
>>
>>Good luck,
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Is there such a thing? I know very little about SMPTE and syncing.
>>>
>>>I have a device that has no sync facility, however it has an option to
>play
>>>back an MP3 audio track alongside it's stuff. This audio track could be
>>an
>>>MP3 of SMPTE. (is an MP3 good enough for SMPTE?).
>>>
>>>Is there such a thing as a box I could buy which would turn SMPTE into
>MIDI
>>>clock or something?
>>>
>>>The difficulty I forsee is that the device in question is a looping device,
>>>so every 8 bars or so the SMPTE clock would return to the zero position.
>>>What issues will this cause? I understand SMPTE takes a little time to
>sync?
>>>
>>>Mmm, it's not going to work is it? DOH!
>>>
>>>Anybody have any comments?
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Kim.
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: A box that turns SMPTE into other sync formats (with adjustable tempo?) [message #85124 is a reply to message #85104] |
Wed, 23 May 2007 21:53 |
Deej [4]
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I'm sure I'll be corrected here if I'm wrong, but IIRC, the Opcode Studio
64XTC will do just about anything. You will need to be running Win 98
thought.
Deej
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4654fda2$1@linux...
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>
> Thad,
>
> Thanks heaps for your response (and you Rod).
>
> What I'm trying to do is actually for use outside the studio, for live
> use,
> hence Paris actually won't be around anyhow.
>
> And I won't have opportunity to copy the loop over and over for the same
> reason. It's a live show and the loops will be on my GNX-4... it don't do
> copy and paste. ;o)
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Scratch what I said about PARIS being 'loopable' with SMPTE. I was using
> ADAT
>>time code with a Frontier Designs card in the slave Cubase machine that
> would
>>read the slightly flaky ADAT time code that the PARIS MEC module spit out.
>>
>>
>>You could just copy the loop over and over and run the SMPTE without
>>looping,
>>that's not terribly difficult.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Most higher end MIDI interfaces include the ability to take an audio
>>>SMPTE
>>>track and convert it to Midi Time Code. I wrote a big story about it at
>>some
>>>point. The degree to which your software will respond to either is a
>>>function
>>>of the software. If memory serves PARIS was 'loopable' when slaved to
>>>timecode
>>>but I could be wrong. For digital DJ'ing I use DJ Decks (www.djdecks.be)
>>>which is software specifically designed to allow scratching, needle
>>>drops,
>>>fast braking, and so on when sync'ed to time code vinyl. It's almost
>>>creepily
>>>good, but then again the developer set out to design software to do
>>>exactly
>>>that. Not many DAWs set as their goal responding to time code changes in,
>>>say, less than a frame.
>>>
>>>But what you're talking about is almost certainly possible, if not
>>>particularly
>>>easy.
>>>
>>>Good luck,
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Is there such a thing? I know very little about SMPTE and syncing.
>>>>
>>>>I have a device that has no sync facility, however it has an option to
>>play
>>>>back an MP3 audio track alongside it's stuff. This audio track could be
>>>an
>>>>MP3 of SMPTE. (is an MP3 good enough for SMPTE?).
>>>>
>>>>Is there such a thing as a box I could buy which would turn SMPTE into
>>MIDI
>>>>clock or something?
>>>>
>>>>The difficulty I forsee is that the device in question is a looping
>>>>device,
>>>>so every 8 bars or so the SMPTE clock would return to the zero position.
>>>>What issues will this cause? I understand SMPTE takes a little time to
>>sync?
>>>>
>>>>Mmm, it's not going to work is it? DOH!
>>>>
>>>>Anybody have any comments?
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Kim.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: A box that turns SMPTE into other sync formats (with adjustable tempo?) [message #85126 is a reply to message #85124] |
Wed, 23 May 2007 22:42 |
Kim
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It's for live not studio use, so I kinda need it to not want a computer by
its side.
Ideally I want a box which you can feed SMPTE into and get Midi Clock out
the other side. Now I realise that there are tempo issues with this, because
SMPTE is real time, whereas MIDI Clock is in musical divisions, hence the
box would need to know the tempo...
....but I'm hoping. ;o)
Smart FSK may do it, but the trick is getting something that will sync in
the space of 1/100th of a second rather than 1 second... otherwise I'll
miss the first second of the loop on the sampler.
Cheers,
Kim.
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I'm sure I'll be corrected here if I'm wrong, but IIRC, the Opcode Studio
>64XTC will do just about anything. You will need to be running Win 98
>thought.
>
>Deej
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4654fda2$1@linux...
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>>
>> Thad,
>>
>> Thanks heaps for your response (and you Rod).
>>
>> What I'm trying to do is actually for use outside the studio, for live
>> use,
>> hence Paris actually won't be around anyhow.
>>
>> And I won't have opportunity to copy the loop over and over for the same
>> reason. It's a live show and the loops will be on my GNX-4... it don't
do
>> copy and paste. ;o)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Scratch what I said about PARIS being 'loopable' with SMPTE. I was using
>> ADAT
>>>time code with a Frontier Designs card in the slave Cubase machine that
>> would
>>>read the slightly flaky ADAT time code that the PARIS MEC module spit
out.
>>>
>>>
>>>You could just copy the loop over and over and run the SMPTE without
>>>looping,
>>>that's not terribly difficult.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Most higher end MIDI interfaces include the ability to take an audio
>>>>SMPTE
>>>>track and convert it to Midi Time Code. I wrote a big story about it
at
>>>some
>>>>point. The degree to which your software will respond to either is a
>>>>function
>>>>of the software. If memory serves PARIS was 'loopable' when slaved to
>>>>timecode
>>>>but I could be wrong. For digital DJ'ing I use DJ Decks (www.djdecks.be)
>>>>which is software specifically designed to allow scratching, needle
>>>>drops,
>>>>fast braking, and so on when sync'ed to time code vinyl. It's almost
>>>>creepily
>>>>good, but then again the developer set out to design software to do
>>>>exactly
>>>>that. Not many DAWs set as their goal responding to time code changes
in,
>>>>say, less than a frame.
>>>>
>>>>But what you're talking about is almost certainly possible, if not
>>>>particularly
>>>>easy.
>>>>
>>>>Good luck,
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Is there such a thing? I know very little about SMPTE and syncing.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have a device that has no sync facility, however it has an option
to
>>>play
>>>>>back an MP3 audio track alongside it's stuff. This audio track could
be
>>>>an
>>>>>MP3 of SMPTE. (is an MP3 good enough for SMPTE?).
>>>>>
>>>>>Is there such a thing as a box I could buy which would turn SMPTE into
>>>MIDI
>>>>>clock or something?
>>>>>
>>>>>The difficulty I forsee is that the device in question is a looping
>>>>>device,
>>>>>so every 8 bars or so the SMPTE clock would return to the zero position.
>>>>>What issues will this cause? I understand SMPTE takes a little time
to
>>>sync?
>>>>>
>>>>>Mmm, it's not going to work is it? DOH!
>>>>>
>>>>>Anybody have any comments?
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>Kim.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: A box that turns SMPTE into other sync formats (with adjustable tempo?) [message #85128 is a reply to message #85127] |
Wed, 23 May 2007 23:14 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
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Is there such a thing? I know very little about SMPTE and syncing.
Not to my knowledge, but I haven't used every device out there by any
means.
I have a device that has no sync facility, however it has an option to play
back an MP3 audio track alongside it's stuff. This audio track could be an
MP3 of SMPTE. (is an MP3 good enough for SMPTE?).
GENx, righto? I'm not sure if the compression would fool with the tones
or not, but 'probably' not if the bitrate/algorhythm is any good
Is there such a thing as a box I could buy which would turn SMPTE into MIDI
clock or something?
See below...
The difficulty I forsee is that the device in question is a looping device,
so every 8 bars or so the SMPTE clock would return to the zero position.
What issues will this cause? I understand SMPTE takes a little time to sync?
Yup. Probably the best time I've seen consistently is about 2 seconds to
be solid. I always gave 5 pre roll to settle the lock in.
Mmm, it's not going to work is it? DOH!
Sorry bro... probably not. I know you want to avoid a computer, so stuff
like Live and Acid is out. Next thing would be a hardware sequencer, but I'm
not sure anyone even makes those anymore? I'm not real clear what you're
after, but would a foot controller (like say a Roland FC-200) that shoots
midi notes to a sampler do it?
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Further info: I have a PPS-1 and a PPS-2... nope, never seen either lock
to any TC that quick. Of course, with no real readout on the unit itself I
couldn't say it was the PC or the JLC units definitively. As I recall there
is a lock light... but I haven't blown the dust off either of them in years
since I use software sequencing.
Suprisingly, IIRC IME the Alesis MMT-8 was awfully quick to lock, however it
is FSK and not Smart FSK, meaning the SMPTE loop scenario would never work.
AA
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:46552af0$1@linux...
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> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>http://www.jlcooper.com/pages/synchronizers.html
>
> I can't get to the manual, but I need to know how quickly it syncs to
> SmartFSK.
> If it can sync to it almost instantly with no lead in it may work...
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| Re: A box that turns SMPTE into other sync formats (with adjustable tempo?) [message #85132 is a reply to message #85128] |
Thu, 24 May 2007 00:35 |
Kim
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Thanks Aaron,
I actually have one of these lying about somewhere:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=30011 3154908
I THINK it is SmartFSK, so given smartFSK is basically "audio Midi clock"
something like this box is likely my best chance. I'll give it a shot.
I'm not holding my breath. I think the re-lock upon loop re-start is going
to be the killer, though there is a facility in the Pocket Sync called "sync
lock" or something which keeps sync going even through loss of signal. That
may or may not help the ASR-10 which i wish to sync to it. if the ASR-10
is forgiving enough to ignore the fact that the pocket sync is saying "We're
on beat 1 of Bar 9" and go "Ah, that means I'll be on beat one of bar one
because there is no bar nine!!" then it MIGHT just be forgiving enough to
work.
If not I'm pretty much cactus... ;o)
Thanks for everybody's input however. It's frustrating that they don't at
least put a MIDI clock output from this thing. I can understand that syncing
to external sources is difficult, but SENDING sync seems pretty simple coding
to me.
Cheers,
Kim.
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Is there such a thing? I know very little about SMPTE and syncing.
> Not to my knowledge, but I haven't used every device out there by any
>means.
>
>I have a device that has no sync facility, however it has an option to play
>back an MP3 audio track alongside it's stuff. This audio track could be
an
>MP3 of SMPTE. (is an MP3 good enough for SMPTE?).
>
> GENx, righto? I'm not sure if the compression would fool with the tones
>or not, but 'probably' not if the bitrate/algorhythm is any good
>
>Is there such a thing as a box I could buy which would turn SMPTE into MIDI
>clock or something?
>
> See below...
>
>The difficulty I forsee is that the device in question is a looping device,
>so every 8 bars or so the SMPTE clock would return to the zero position.
>What issues will this cause? I understand SMPTE takes a little time to sync?
>
> Yup. Probably the best time I've seen consistently is about 2 seconds
to
>be solid. I always gave 5 pre roll to settle the lock in.
>
>Mmm, it's not going to work is it? DOH!
>
> Sorry bro... probably not. I know you want to avoid a computer, so stuff
>like Live and Acid is out. Next thing would be a hardware sequencer, but
I'm
>not sure anyone even makes those anymore? I'm not real clear what you're
>after, but would a foot controller (like say a Roland FC-200) that shoots
>midi notes to a sampler do it?
>
>`````````````````````````
>
>Further info: I have a PPS-1 and a PPS-2... nope, never seen either lock
>to any TC that quick. Of course, with no real readout on the unit itself
I
>couldn't say it was the PC or the JLC units definitively. As I recall there
>is a lock light... but I haven't blown the dust off either of them in years
>since I use software sequencing.
>
>Suprisingly, IIRC IME the Alesis MMT-8 was awfully quick to lock, however
it
>is FSK and not Smart FSK, meaning the SMPTE loop scenario would never work.
>
>AA
>
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:46552af0$1@linux...
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>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>http://www.jlcooper.com/pages/synchronizers.html
>>
>> I can't get to the manual, but I need to know how quickly it syncs to
>> SmartFSK.
>> If it can sync to it almost instantly with no lead in it may work...
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| Re: A box that turns SMPTE into other sync formats (with adjustable tempo?) [message #85138 is a reply to message #85132] |
Thu, 24 May 2007 06:22 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
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LOL... I have one of those too.. yes, IIRC it is smart FSK (it has SPP)on
that one but again... haven't used 'em in years. I bought a whole slew of
those mini Anatek boxes. Great company ideas, too bad they bit the dust
cause they had some killer little pocket devices.
G'luck brotha
AA
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:46554041$1@linux...
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>
> Thanks Aaron,
>
> I actually have one of these lying about somewhere:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=30011 3154908
>
> I THINK it is SmartFSK, so given smartFSK is basically "audio Midi clock"
> something like this box is likely my best chance. I'll give it a shot.
>
> I'm not holding my breath. I think the re-lock upon loop re-start is going
> to be the killer, though there is a facility in the Pocket Sync called
> "sync
> lock" or something which keeps sync going even through loss of signal.
> That
> may or may not help the ASR-10 which i wish to sync to it. if the ASR-10
> is forgiving enough to ignore the fact that the pocket sync is saying
> "We're
> on beat 1 of Bar 9" and go "Ah, that means I'll be on beat one of bar one
> because there is no bar nine!!" then it MIGHT just be forgiving enough to
> work.
>
> If not I'm pretty much cactus... ;o)
>
> Thanks for everybody's input however. It's frustrating that they don't at
> least put a MIDI clock output from this thing. I can understand that
> syncing
> to external sources is difficult, but SENDING sync seems pretty simple
> coding
> to me.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>Is there such a thing? I know very little about SMPTE and syncing.
>> Not to my knowledge, but I haven't used every device out there by any
>
>>means.
>>
>>I have a device that has no sync facility, however it has an option to
>>play
>>back an MP3 audio track alongside it's stuff. This audio track could be
> an
>>MP3 of SMPTE. (is an MP3 good enough for SMPTE?).
>>
>> GENx, righto? I'm not sure if the compression would fool with the
>> tones
>
>>or not, but 'probably' not if the bitrate/algorhythm is any good
>>
>>Is there such a thing as a box I could buy which would turn SMPTE into
>>MIDI
>>clock or something?
>>
>> See below...
>>
>>The difficulty I forsee is that the device in question is a looping
>>device,
>>so every 8 bars or so the SMPTE clock would return to the zero position.
>>What issues will this cause? I understand SMPTE takes a little time to
>>sync?
>>
>> Yup. Probably the best time I've seen consistently is about 2 seconds
> to
>>be solid. I always gave 5 pre roll to settle the lock in.
>>
>>Mmm, it's not going to work is it? DOH!
>>
>> Sorry bro... probably not. I know you want to avoid a computer, so
>> stuff
>
>>like Live and Acid is out. Next thing would be a hardware sequencer, but
> I'm
>>not sure anyone even makes those anymore? I'm not real clear what you're
>
>>after, but would a foot controller (like say a Roland FC-200) that shoots
>
>>midi notes to a sampler do it?
>>
>>`````````````````````````
>>
>>Further info: I have a PPS-1 and a PPS-2... nope, never seen either lock
>
>>to any TC that quick. Of course, with no real readout on the unit itself
> I
>>couldn't say it was the PC or the JLC units definitively. As I recall
>>there
>
>>is a lock light... but I haven't blown the dust off either of them in
>>years
>
>>since I use software sequencing.
>>
>>Suprisingly, IIRC IME the Alesis MMT-8 was awfully quick to lock, however
> it
>>is FSK and not Smart FSK, meaning the SMPTE loop scenario would never
>>work.
>>
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:46552af0$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>http://www.jlcooper.com/pages/synchronizers.html
>>>
>>> I can't get to the manual, but I need to know how quickly it syncs to
>
>>> SmartFSK.
>>> If it can sync to it almost instantly with no lead in it may work...
>>
>>
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| Re: A box that turns SMPTE into other sync formats (with adjustable tempo?) [message #85140 is a reply to message #85126] |
Thu, 24 May 2007 06:57 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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I think the moral of the story is that you're trying to drive a nail with
a screwdriver. I'd suggest getting the loop off of the guitar pedal and onto
either one of those Korg hardware loopers or an Akai MPC.
TCB
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>It's for live not studio use, so I kinda need it to not want a computer
by
>its side.
>
>Ideally I want a box which you can feed SMPTE into and get Midi Clock out
>the other side. Now I realise that there are tempo issues with this, because
>SMPTE is real time, whereas MIDI Clock is in musical divisions, hence the
>box would need to know the tempo...
>
>...but I'm hoping. ;o)
>
>Smart FSK may do it, but the trick is getting something that will sync in
>the space of 1/100th of a second rather than 1 second... otherwise I'll
>miss the first second of the loop on the sampler.
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>I'm sure I'll be corrected here if I'm wrong, but IIRC, the Opcode Studio
>
>>64XTC will do just about anything. You will need to be running Win 98
>>thought.
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4654fda2$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>> Thad,
>>>
>>> Thanks heaps for your response (and you Rod).
>>>
>>> What I'm trying to do is actually for use outside the studio, for live
>
>>> use,
>>> hence Paris actually won't be around anyhow.
>>>
>>> And I won't have opportunity to copy the loop over and over for the same
>>> reason. It's a live show and the loops will be on my GNX-4... it don't
>do
>>> copy and paste. ;o)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Kim.
>>>
>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Scratch what I said about PARIS being 'loopable' with SMPTE. I was using
>>> ADAT
>>>>time code with a Frontier Designs card in the slave Cubase machine that
>>> would
>>>>read the slightly flaky ADAT time code that the PARIS MEC module spit
>out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You could just copy the loop over and over and run the SMPTE without
>>>>looping,
>>>>that's not terribly difficult.
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Most higher end MIDI interfaces include the ability to take an audio
>
>>>>>SMPTE
>>>>>track and convert it to Midi Time Code. I wrote a big story about it
>at
>>>>some
>>>>>point. The degree to which your software will respond to either is a
>
>>>>>function
>>>>>of the software. If memory serves PARIS was 'loopable' when slaved to
>
>>>>>timecode
>>>>>but I could be wrong. For digital DJ'ing I use DJ Decks (www.djdecks.be)
>>>>>which is software specifically designed to allow scratching, needle
>>>>>drops,
>>>>>fast braking, and so on when sync'ed to time code vinyl. It's almost
>
>>>>>creepily
>>>>>good, but then again the developer set out to design software to do
>>>>>exactly
>>>>>that. Not many DAWs set as their goal responding to time code changes
>in,
>>>>>say, less than a frame.
>>>>>
>>>>>But what you're talking about is almost certainly possible, if not
>>>>>particularly
>>>>>easy.
>>>>>
>>>>>Good luck,
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is there such a thing? I know very little about SMPTE and syncing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have a device that has no sync facility, however it has an option
>to
>>>>play
>>>>>>back an MP3 audio track alongside it's stuff. This audio track could
>be
>>>>>an
>>>>>>MP3 of SMPTE. (is an MP3 good enough for SMPTE?).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is there such a thing as a box I could buy which would turn SMPTE into
>>>>MIDI
>>>>>>clock or something?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The difficulty I forsee is that the device in question is a looping
>
>>>>>>device,
>>>>>>so every 8 bars or so the SMPTE clock would return to the zero position.
>>>>>>What issues will this cause? I understand SMPTE takes a little time
>to
>>>>sync?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mmm, it's not going to work is it? DOH!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anybody have any comments?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>Kim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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