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| Re: This is about to make me nuts!!!!! [message #62715 is a reply to message #62714] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 12:43   |
Mark McDermott
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Registered: February 2006
Location: Portland, OR
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Hey Deej,
Sounds like you could use those Karass Institute negotiation tapes...
How about "Even though we need to respect the players the song is more important."
Some of the best players have ended up on the cutting room floor!
Good luck!
Mark
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I'm doing a mix here. We've got a lot of acoustic instruments goin on this
>mix and the client/producer/songwriter/arranger is sitting in on the mix
>making decisions as t6o which instruments he wants up in the holes in the
>mix, since we have many options. The players on this project are really
good
>and it's sorta' agonizing for him to sacrifice hearing one part when another
>equally good riff is being played on the same timeline and a decision has
to
>be made as to one or the other. Well, this is all part of the game and just
>takes time. What's making me nuts is that the client really respects these
>players. These guys, as good as they are, occasionally had a clam or two
as
>far as the number of notes that may have been played over a certain passage.
>He doesn't want to change this stuff our of *respect* for the performance.
>It just doesn't work in some cases and sounds like a trainwreck in others.
I
>can easily fix it in the editor, but he's uncomfortable with this. This
mix
>isn't going to work with certain of these unedited passages......it just
>won't........trust me. My problem is, and this is why I could never last
>long in a band, is that I *know* what needs to be done and everyone else
is
>wrong............am I right?
>
>;o)
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| Re: This is about to make me nuts!!!!! [message #62716 is a reply to message #62714] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 11:43 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
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Deej,
Rule #1: You are always right.
Even when you're wrong! ;>)
The truth is, if you were hired to mix the project with the direction of the
producer, then he's got the final say. It's really hard to "detach" your
self from these kind's of things, but it has to be done. All you can do is
tactfully make observations or suggestions. After that, it's out of your
hands. If you are really attached to this project, make your own mix after
the producer leaves and have it handy to show the group/producer if they
decide changes need to be made.
Tony
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43c2ba35$1@linux...
> I'm doing a mix here. We've got a lot of acoustic instruments goin on this
> mix and the client/producer/songwriter/arranger is sitting in on the mix
> making decisions as t6o which instruments he wants up in the holes in the
> mix, since we have many options. The players on this project are really
> good
> and it's sorta' agonizing for him to sacrifice hearing one part when
> another
> equally good riff is being played on the same timeline and a decision has
> to
> be made as to one or the other. Well, this is all part of the game and
> just
> takes time. What's making me nuts is that the client really respects these
> players. These guys, as good as they are, occasionally had a clam or two
> as
> far as the number of notes that may have been played over a certain
> passage.
> He doesn't want to change this stuff our of *respect* for the performance.
> It just doesn't work in some cases and sounds like a trainwreck in others.
> I
> can easily fix it in the editor, but he's uncomfortable with this. This
> mix
> isn't going to work with certain of these unedited passages......it just
> won't........trust me. My problem is, and this is why I could never last
> long in a band, is that I *know* what needs to be done and everyone else
> is
> wrong............am I right?
>
> ;o)
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| Re: This is about to make me nuts!!!!! [message #62720 is a reply to message #62714] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 12:54 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
Registered: September 2005
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Deej, He needs to remember, "LESS IS MORE", be ruthless.
Sounds like the stuff is not arranged too well if there are no holes to
breath anywhere.
BTW, yes, you're right....
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43c2ba35$1@linux...
> I'm doing a mix here. We've got a lot of acoustic instruments goin on this
> mix and the client/producer/songwriter/arranger is sitting in on the mix
> making decisions as t6o which instruments he wants up in the holes in the
> mix, since we have many options. The players on this project are really
> good
> and it's sorta' agonizing for him to sacrifice hearing one part when
> another
> equally good riff is being played on the same timeline and a decision has
> to
> be made as to one or the other. Well, this is all part of the game and
> just
> takes time. What's making me nuts is that the client really respects these
> players. These guys, as good as they are, occasionally had a clam or two
> as
> far as the number of notes that may have been played over a certain
> passage.
> He doesn't want to change this stuff our of *respect* for the performance.
> It just doesn't work in some cases and sounds like a trainwreck in others.
> I
> can easily fix it in the editor, but he's uncomfortable with this. This
> mix
> isn't going to work with certain of these unedited passages......it just
> won't........trust me. My problem is, and this is why I could never last
> long in a band, is that I *know* what needs to be done and everyone else
> is
> wrong............am I right?
>
> ;o)
>
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| Re: This is about to make me nuts!!!!! [message #62724 is a reply to message #62714] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 14:20 |
DC
Messages: 722
Registered: July 2005
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Sooo, how many producers does it take to change a light bulb?
I dunno... waddya YOU think?
heh heh
Listen, *everyone* thinks they know how something should be
mixed, just like everyone knows how something should be arranged
and could have done it better if you had just let them.
But you have to trust your instincts. We have all left "little" clams
in, and lived to regret it haven't we? Some clams work, and some
don't. You clearly can tell that these won't.
I would do a mix with Mr. Producer absent and then show it to him.
This is how Wally Traugott mastered "Dark Side of the Moon".
He got the tape via courier, but the producer had not arrived yet
from England (I think the producer was Alan Parsons, but don't
quote me) so Wally just did it the way he wanted to with no one
else in the room.
Well, they loved it so much they wouldn't let him change a thing and
this is the record we all know and love.
The question is whether your producer is man enough to admit
it if you nail it. It takes a big heart and small ego to admit that
it came out perfectly without his involvement, but if he loves the
music more than his ego, he can do so.
Whose vision is the right one is a huge subject that deserves a book
written on it. Many different visions can produce good results,
but only one is likely to lift the track to real success. Just like a
good audio engineer knows what a lot of people will call "good
sound" a good producer will understand which parts elevate the
song and which parts make it boring. For instance, the famous
Clapton "Crossroads" solo was never played as such by Eric. It was
edited (by Tom Dowd) together from a much longer jam. To this
day Eric has to hear "hey man! that was the definitive guitar solo
of your career!! Eric hates to hear that, as you can imagine. Sure
worked though, didn't it?
Tom Dowd had great ears and vision to match.
The worst situation of all is when someone simply does not have
what it takes to make these decisions, but *needs* to anyway for
self-validation or other such bullsh*t.
Also, wometimes we resort to standard arrangements,sounds and
techniques like it has always been done before, when what the
tune needed was doing it "wrong" in a creative way. John Lennon
walks in the control room and plugs his guitar into the board.
Overdrives the desk like crazy. The engineers are going oh NO!!
You can't do that!! But he insisted, and so we have "Revolution".
Vision. There is no substitute. If you know how something should
be, you should find a way to make it that way if you can.
Of course, don't punch out the producer... Well if you do, be sure to
post pictures of it...
heh
DC
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I'm doing a mix here. We've got a lot of acoustic instruments goin on this
>mix and the client/producer/songwriter/arranger is sitting in on the mix
>making decisions as t6o which instruments he wants up in the holes in the
>mix, since we have many options. The players on this project are really
good
>and it's sorta' agonizing for him to sacrifice hearing one part when another
>equally good riff is being played on the same timeline and a decision has
to
>be made as to one or the other. Well, this is all part of the game and just
>takes time. What's making me nuts is that the client really respects these
>players. These guys, as good as they are, occasionally had a clam or two
as
>far as the number of notes that may have been played over a certain passage.
>He doesn't want to change this stuff our of *respect* for the performance.
>It just doesn't work in some cases and sounds like a trainwreck in others.
I
>can easily fix it in the editor, but he's uncomfortable with this. This
mix
>isn't going to work with certain of these unedited passages......it just
>won't........trust me. My problem is, and this is why I could never last
>long in a band, is that I *know* what needs to be done and everyone else
is
>wrong............am I right?
>
>;o)
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| Re: This is about to make me nuts!!!!! [message #62755 is a reply to message #62714] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 19:35 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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A lot could be said here.
I think you should talk him in to recutting the necessary parts, kind of
a, A mix/cut, B mix/cut. Tell him this wouldn't be redoing everything, this
would be giving him more options to choose from. Offer to do this for free,
tell him you just want the project to be all that it can be. Tell him you
know your stuff, and ask him to trust you. Tell him you'd feel much better
about the project this way. This would give him more choices, plus he would
have the final say anyways. Tell him that this would be a chance for you
to really show him what you can do (What you can really do for him!). If
he doesn't like it he won't have to use it, but you think more than likely
he would use at least some of the recuts.
If he goes for it, do your own great mix and present it to him. Then tell
him that if he uses it you wouldn't want any extra credits. Hopefully he
will hear/see the light.
I know you love your work, so doing extra work for free won't kill you, putting
out a piece of crap with your name on it would.
Remember, it never goes quite the way you would like it to in life.
Good luck!
James
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I'm doing a mix here. We've got a lot of acoustic instruments goin on this
>mix and the client/producer/songwriter/arranger is sitting in on the mix
>making decisions as t6o which instruments he wants up in the holes in the
>mix, since we have many options. The players on this project are really
good
>and it's sorta' agonizing for him to sacrifice hearing one part when another
>equally good riff is being played on the same timeline and a decision has
to
>be made as to one or the other. Well, this is all part of the game and just
>takes time. What's making me nuts is that the client really respects these
>players. These guys, as good as they are, occasionally had a clam or two
as
>far as the number of notes that may have been played over a certain passage.
>He doesn't want to change this stuff our of *respect* for the performance.
>It just doesn't work in some cases and sounds like a trainwreck in others.
I
>can easily fix it in the editor, but he's uncomfortable with this. This
mix
>isn't going to work with certain of these unedited passages......it just
>won't........trust me. My problem is, and this is why I could never last
>long in a band, is that I *know* what needs to be done and everyone else
is
>wrong............am I right?
>
>;o)
>
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| Re: This is about to make me nuts!!!!! [message #62769 is a reply to message #62755] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 21:24 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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He just left. I put the mix up that I did this afternoon. It differs quite a
bit from the one we did last night. I carved out the sloppy clams and
retuned the notes that were butting heads that I thought would work for what
we were trying to achieve. I also did some comping of this and that and
dropped it on the4 timeline where needed. I took him on a tour of both mixes
and showed him exactly what I did and why.
He loved it. We just finished remixing the song with a few more decisions he
made based on my basic groundwork. I think they were good decisions. His
last words before leaving tonight were" OK man, you just go ahead and get it
done and call me when you feel like we're close. I trust your judgment."
Life is good.
:o)
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43c31d75$1@linux...
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> A lot could be said here.
>
> I think you should talk him in to recutting the necessary parts, kind of
> a, A mix/cut, B mix/cut. Tell him this wouldn't be redoing everything,
this
> would be giving him more options to choose from. Offer to do this for
free,
> tell him you just want the project to be all that it can be. Tell him
you
> know your stuff, and ask him to trust you. Tell him you'd feel much
better
> about the project this way. This would give him more choices, plus he
would
> have the final say anyways. Tell him that this would be a chance for you
> to really show him what you can do (What you can really do for him!). If
> he doesn't like it he won't have to use it, but you think more than likely
> he would use at least some of the recuts.
>
> If he goes for it, do your own great mix and present it to him. Then tell
> him that if he uses it you wouldn't want any extra credits. Hopefully he
> will hear/see the light.
>
> I know you love your work, so doing extra work for free won't kill you,
putting
> out a piece of crap with your name on it would.
>
> Remember, it never goes quite the way you would like it to in life.
>
> Good luck!
>
> James
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I'm doing a mix here. We've got a lot of acoustic instruments goin on
this
> >mix and the client/producer/songwriter/arranger is sitting in on the mix
> >making decisions as t6o which instruments he wants up in the holes in the
> >mix, since we have many options. The players on this project are really
> good
> >and it's sorta' agonizing for him to sacrifice hearing one part when
another
> >equally good riff is being played on the same timeline and a decision has
> to
> >be made as to one or the other. Well, this is all part of the game and
just
> >takes time. What's making me nuts is that the client really respects
these
> >players. These guys, as good as they are, occasionally had a clam or two
> as
> >far as the number of notes that may have been played over a certain
passage.
> >He doesn't want to change this stuff our of *respect* for the
performance.
> >It just doesn't work in some cases and sounds like a trainwreck in
others.
> I
> >can easily fix it in the editor, but he's uncomfortable with this. This
> mix
> >isn't going to work with certain of these unedited passages......it just
> >won't........trust me. My problem is, and this is why I could never last
> >long in a band, is that I *know* what needs to be done and everyone else
> is
> >wrong............am I right?
> >
> >;o)
> >
> >
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| Re: This is about to make me nuts!!!!! [message #62770 is a reply to message #62769] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 22:34 |
DC
Messages: 722
Registered: July 2005
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Yes! Good result. Sounds like a good guy.
DC
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>He just left. I put the mix up that I did this afternoon. It differs quite
a
>bit from the one we did last night. I carved out the sloppy clams and
>retuned the notes that were butting heads that I thought would work for
what
>we were trying to achieve. I also did some comping of this and that and
>dropped it on the4 timeline where needed. I took him on a tour of both mixes
>and showed him exactly what I did and why.
>
>He loved it. We just finished remixing the song with a few more decisions
he
>made based on my basic groundwork. I think they were good decisions. His
>last words before leaving tonight were" OK man, you just go ahead and get
it
>done and call me when you feel like we're close. I trust your judgment."
>
>Life is good.
>
>:o)
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:43c31d75$1@linux...
>>
>> A lot could be said here.
>>
>> I think you should talk him in to recutting the necessary parts, kind
of
>> a, A mix/cut, B mix/cut. Tell him this wouldn't be redoing everything,
>this
>> would be giving him more options to choose from. Offer to do this for
>free,
>> tell him you just want the project to be all that it can be. Tell him
>you
>> know your stuff, and ask him to trust you. Tell him you'd feel much
>better
>> about the project this way. This would give him more choices, plus he
>would
>> have the final say anyways. Tell him that this would be a chance for
you
>> to really show him what you can do (What you can really do for him!).
If
>> he doesn't like it he won't have to use it, but you think more than likely
>> he would use at least some of the recuts.
>>
>> If he goes for it, do your own great mix and present it to him. Then
tell
>> him that if he uses it you wouldn't want any extra credits. Hopefully
he
>> will hear/see the light.
>>
>> I know you love your work, so doing extra work for free won't kill you,
>putting
>> out a piece of crap with your name on it would.
>>
>> Remember, it never goes quite the way you would like it to in life.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >I'm doing a mix here. We've got a lot of acoustic instruments goin on
>this
>> >mix and the client/producer/songwriter/arranger is sitting in on the
mix
>> >making decisions as t6o which instruments he wants up in the holes in
the
>> >mix, since we have many options. The players on this project are really
>> good
>> >and it's sorta' agonizing for him to sacrifice hearing one part when
>another
>> >equally good riff is being played on the same timeline and a decision
has
>> to
>> >be made as to one or the other. Well, this is all part of the game and
>just
>> >takes time. What's making me nuts is that the client really respects
>these
>> >players. These guys, as good as they are, occasionally had a clam or
two
>> as
>> >far as the number of notes that may have been played over a certain
>passage.
>> >He doesn't want to change this stuff our of *respect* for the
>performance.
>> >It just doesn't work in some cases and sounds like a trainwreck in
>others.
>> I
>> >can easily fix it in the editor, but he's uncomfortable with this. This
>> mix
>> >isn't going to work with certain of these unedited passages......it just
>> >won't........trust me. My problem is, and this is why I could never last
>> >long in a band, is that I *know* what needs to be done and everyone else
>> is
>> >wrong............am I right?
>> >
>> >;o)
>> >
>> >
>
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| Re: This is about to make me nuts!!!!! [message #62774 is a reply to message #62769] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 22:41 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
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Yes!
Tony
On 1/9/06 11:24 PM, in article 43c34572@linux, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> He just left. I put the mix up that I did this afternoon. It differs quite a
> bit from the one we did last night. I carved out the sloppy clams and
> retuned the notes that were butting heads that I thought would work for what
> we were trying to achieve. I also did some comping of this and that and
> dropped it on the4 timeline where needed. I took him on a tour of both mixes
> and showed him exactly what I did and why.
>
> He loved it. We just finished remixing the song with a few more decisions he
> made based on my basic groundwork. I think they were good decisions. His
> last words before leaving tonight were" OK man, you just go ahead and get it
> done and call me when you feel like we're close. I trust your judgment."
>
> Life is good.
>
> :o)
>
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:43c31d75$1@linux...
>>
>> A lot could be said here.
>>
>> I think you should talk him in to recutting the necessary parts, kind of
>> a, A mix/cut, B mix/cut. Tell him this wouldn't be redoing everything,
> this
>> would be giving him more options to choose from. Offer to do this for
> free,
>> tell him you just want the project to be all that it can be. Tell him
> you
>> know your stuff, and ask him to trust you. Tell him you'd feel much
> better
>> about the project this way. This would give him more choices, plus he
> would
>> have the final say anyways. Tell him that this would be a chance for you
>> to really show him what you can do (What you can really do for him!). If
>> he doesn't like it he won't have to use it, but you think more than likely
>> he would use at least some of the recuts.
>>
>> If he goes for it, do your own great mix and present it to him. Then tell
>> him that if he uses it you wouldn't want any extra credits. Hopefully he
>> will hear/see the light.
>>
>> I know you love your work, so doing extra work for free won't kill you,
> putting
>> out a piece of crap with your name on it would.
>>
>> Remember, it never goes quite the way you would like it to in life.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> I'm doing a mix here. We've got a lot of acoustic instruments goin on
> this
>>> mix and the client/producer/songwriter/arranger is sitting in on the mix
>>> making decisions as t6o which instruments he wants up in the holes in the
>>> mix, since we have many options. The players on this project are really
>> good
>>> and it's sorta' agonizing for him to sacrifice hearing one part when
> another
>>> equally good riff is being played on the same timeline and a decision has
>> to
>>> be made as to one or the other. Well, this is all part of the game and
> just
>>> takes time. What's making me nuts is that the client really respects
> these
>>> players. These guys, as good as they are, occasionally had a clam or two
>> as
>>> far as the number of notes that may have been played over a certain
> passage.
>>> He doesn't want to change this stuff our of *respect* for the
> performance.
>>> It just doesn't work in some cases and sounds like a trainwreck in
> others.
>> I
>>> can easily fix it in the editor, but he's uncomfortable with this. This
>> mix
>>> isn't going to work with certain of these unedited passages......it just
>>> won't........trust me. My problem is, and this is why I could never last
>>> long in a band, is that I *know* what needs to be done and everyone else
>> is
>>> wrong............am I right?
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
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| Re: This is about to make me nuts!!!!! [message #62776 is a reply to message #62769] |
Tue, 10 January 2006 00:22 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
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WOOHOO!!!
[chanted like ricky lake]
Go D.J... Go D.J... Go D.J... Go D.J...
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>He just left. I put the mix up that I did this afternoon. It differs quite
a
>bit from the one we did last night. I carved out the sloppy clams and
>retuned the notes that were butting heads that I thought would work for
what
>we were trying to achieve. I also did some comping of this and that and
>dropped it on the4 timeline where needed. I took him on a tour of both mixes
>and showed him exactly what I did and why.
>
>He loved it. We just finished remixing the song with a few more decisions
he
>made based on my basic groundwork. I think they were good decisions. His
>last words before leaving tonight were" OK man, you just go ahead and get
it
>done and call me when you feel like we're close. I trust your judgment."
>
>Life is good.
>
>:o)
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:43c31d75$1@linux...
>>
>> A lot could be said here.
>>
>> I think you should talk him in to recutting the necessary parts, kind
of
>> a, A mix/cut, B mix/cut. Tell him this wouldn't be redoing everything,
>this
>> would be giving him more options to choose from. Offer to do this for
>free,
>> tell him you just want the project to be all that it can be. Tell him
>you
>> know your stuff, and ask him to trust you. Tell him you'd feel much
>better
>> about the project this way. This would give him more choices, plus he
>would
>> have the final say anyways. Tell him that this would be a chance for
you
>> to really show him what you can do (What you can really do for him!).
If
>> he doesn't like it he won't have to use it, but you think more than likely
>> he would use at least some of the recuts.
>>
>> If he goes for it, do your own great mix and present it to him. Then
tell
>> him that if he uses it you wouldn't want any extra credits. Hopefully
he
>> will hear/see the light.
>>
>> I know you love your work, so doing extra work for free won't kill you,
>putting
>> out a piece of crap with your name on it would.
>>
>> Remember, it never goes quite the way you would like it to in life.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >I'm doing a mix here. We've got a lot of acoustic instruments goin on
>this
>> >mix and the client/producer/songwriter/arranger is sitting in on the
mix
>> >making decisions as t6o which instruments he wants up in the holes in
the
>> >mix, since we have many options. The players on this project are really
>> good
>> >and it's sorta' agonizing for him to sacrifice hearing one part when
>another
>> >equally good riff is being played on the same timeline and a decision
has
>> to
>> >be made as to one or the other. Well, this is all part of the game and
>just
>> >takes time. What's making me nuts is that the client really respects
>these
>> >players. These guys, as good as they are, occasionally had a clam or
two
>> as
>> >far as the number of notes that may have been played over a certain
>passage.
>> >He doesn't want to change this stuff our of *respect* for the
>performance.
>> >It just doesn't work in some cases and sounds like a trainwreck in
>others.
>> I
>> >can easily fix it in the editor, but he's uncomfortable with this. This
>> mix
>> >isn't going to work with certain of these unedited passages......it just
>> >won't........trust me. My problem is, and this is why I could never last
>> >long in a band, is that I *know* what needs to be done and everyone else
>> is
>> >wrong............am I right?
>> >
>> >;o)
>> >
>> >
>
>
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| Re: This is about to make me nuts!!!!! [message #62781 is a reply to message #62769] |
Tue, 10 January 2006 03:04 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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these boots were made for talkin'
On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:24:02 -0700, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>He just left. I put the mix up that I did this afternoon. It differs quite a
>bit from the one we did last night. I carved out the sloppy clams and
>retuned the notes that were butting heads that I thought would work for what
>we were trying to achieve. I also did some comping of this and that and
>dropped it on the4 timeline where needed. I took him on a tour of both mixes
>and showed him exactly what I did and why.
>
>He loved it. We just finished remixing the song with a few more decisions he
>made based on my basic groundwork. I think they were good decisions. His
>last words before leaving tonight were" OK man, you just go ahead and get it
>done and call me when you feel like we're close. I trust your judgment."
>
>Life is good.
>
>:o)
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:43c31d75$1@linux...
>>
>> A lot could be said here.
>>
>> I think you should talk him in to recutting the necessary parts, kind of
>> a, A mix/cut, B mix/cut. Tell him this wouldn't be redoing everything,
>this
>> would be giving him more options to choose from. Offer to do this for
>free,
>> tell him you just want the project to be all that it can be. Tell him
>you
>> know your stuff, and ask him to trust you. Tell him you'd feel much
>better
>> about the project this way. This would give him more choices, plus he
>would
>> have the final say anyways. Tell him that this would be a chance for you
>> to really show him what you can do (What you can really do for him!). If
>> he doesn't like it he won't have to use it, but you think more than likely
>> he would use at least some of the recuts.
>>
>> If he goes for it, do your own great mix and present it to him. Then tell
>> him that if he uses it you wouldn't want any extra credits. Hopefully he
>> will hear/see the light.
>>
>> I know you love your work, so doing extra work for free won't kill you,
>putting
>> out a piece of crap with your name on it would.
>>
>> Remember, it never goes quite the way you would like it to in life.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >I'm doing a mix here. We've got a lot of acoustic instruments goin on
>this
>> >mix and the client/producer/songwriter/arranger is sitting in on the mix
>> >making decisions as t6o which instruments he wants up in the holes in the
>> >mix, since we have many options. The players on this project are really
>> good
>> >and it's sorta' agonizing for him to sacrifice hearing one part when
>another
>> >equally good riff is being played on the same timeline and a decision has
>> to
>> >be made as to one or the other. Well, this is all part of the game and
>just
>> >takes time. What's making me nuts is that the client really respects
>these
>> >players. These guys, as good as they are, occasionally had a clam or two
>> as
>> >far as the number of notes that may have been played over a certain
>passage.
>> >He doesn't want to change this stuff our of *respect* for the
>performance.
>> >It just doesn't work in some cases and sounds like a trainwreck in
>others.
>> I
>> >can easily fix it in the editor, but he's uncomfortable with this. This
>> mix
>> >isn't going to work with certain of these unedited passages......it just
>> >won't........trust me. My problem is, and this is why I could never last
>> >long in a band, is that I *know* what needs to be done and everyone else
>> is
>> >wrong............am I right?
>> >
>> >;o)
>> >
>> >
>
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| Re: This is about to make me nuts!!!!! [message #62789 is a reply to message #62769] |
Tue, 10 January 2006 10:42 |
Mark McDermott
Messages: 204
Registered: February 2006
Location: Portland, OR
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Senior Member |
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Deej,
We always knew you were a "take charge" kind-a guy!
Now, breath deep. O-H-M O-H-M O-H-M O-H-M
(Repeat until necessary or until next paying client shows up!)
Mark
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>He just left. I put the mix up that I did this afternoon. It differs quite
a
>bit from the one we did last night. I carved out the sloppy clams and
>retuned the notes that were butting heads that I thought would work for
what
>we were trying to achieve. I also did some comping of this and that and
>dropped it on the4 timeline where needed. I took him on a tour of both mixes
>and showed him exactly what I did and why.
>
>He loved it. We just finished remixing the song with a few more decisions
he
>made based on my basic groundwork. I think they were good decisions. His
>last words before leaving tonight were" OK man, you just go ahead and get
it
>done and call me when you feel like we're close. I trust your judgment."
>
>Life is good.
>
>:o)
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:43c31d75$1@linux...
>>
>> A lot could be said here.
>>
>> I think you should talk him in to recutting the necessary parts, kind
of
>> a, A mix/cut, B mix/cut. Tell him this wouldn't be redoing everything,
>this
>> would be giving him more options to choose from. Offer to do this for
>free,
>> tell him you just want the project to be all that it can be. Tell him
>you
>> know your stuff, and ask him to trust you. Tell him you'd feel much
>better
>> about the project this way. This would give him more choices, plus he
>would
>> have the final say anyways. Tell him that this would be a chance for
you
>> to really show him what you can do (What you can really do for him!).
If
>> he doesn't like it he won't have to use it, but you think more than likely
>> he would use at least some of the recuts.
>>
>> If he goes for it, do your own great mix and present it to him. Then
tell
>> him that if he uses it you wouldn't want any extra credits. Hopefully
he
>> will hear/see the light.
>>
>> I know you love your work, so doing extra work for free won't kill you,
>putting
>> out a piece of crap with your name on it would.
>>
>> Remember, it never goes quite the way you would like it to in life.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >I'm doing a mix here. We've got a lot of acoustic instruments goin on
>this
>> >mix and the client/producer/songwriter/arranger is sitting in on the
mix
>> >making decisions as t6o which instruments he wants up in the holes in
the
>> >mix, since we have many options. The players on this project are really
>> good
>> >and it's sorta' agonizing for him to sacrifice hearing one part when
>another
>> >equally good riff is being played on the same timeline and a decision
has
>> to
>> >be made as to one or the other. Well, this is all part of the game and
>just
>> >takes time. What's making me nuts is that the client really respects
>these
>> >players. These guys, as good as they are, occasionally had a clam or
two
>> as
>> >far as the number of notes that may have been played over a certain
>passage.
>> >He doesn't want to change this stuff our of *respect* for the
>performance.
>> >It just doesn't work in some cases and sounds like a trainwreck in
>others.
>> I
>> >can easily fix it in the editor, but he's uncomfortable with this. This
>> mix
>> >isn't going to work with certain of these unedited passages......it just
>> >won't........trust me. My problem is, and this is why I could never last
>> >long in a band, is that I *know* what needs to be done and everyone else
>> is
>> >wrong............am I right?
>> >
>> >;o)
>> >
>> >
>
>
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