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Re: I hate 12-strings! [message #84364 is a reply to message #84357] |
Fri, 11 May 2007 22:04 |
Neil
Messages: 1645 Registered: April 2006
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"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>>I also have this beast (leaning up against the wall in
>>the background of this pic)
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>That looks like the old John McLaughlin guitar... A beast
indeed.
I can tell you a little story about the guy who built the John
McLaughlin guitar - that particular one in the shot wasn't
built by him, it was built by me and a couple other guys when I
was working for Mighty Mite Guitars back when they were a real
custom guitar company & not just a parts jobber. That's a
true one-off custom job in the pic... after it was built I
bandsawed the templates into several pieces.
In any event, the guy who built McLaughlin's guitar was a guy
named Rex Bogue - Randy Zacuto, the guy who founded Mighty
Mite, had been pals with Rex for some time, and Rex was mainly
an electronics guy & also a true artisan with inlays & such,
who had gotten into luthiery as a result of him doing inlay
work on other people's guitars. I met Rex a handful of times
when he would come by to meet with Randy over one thing or
another - Rex had designed a guitar preamp we sold called the
S-80 - it was a pretty damn good guitar or bass preamp...
simple - a sealed box about the size of a matchbox that you'd
wire into your guitar cavity - boosted the output & made the
tone control have a broader range. Anyway, Randy had one of
Rex's guitars that he used to keep around the office... super-
beautiful, super-heavy (Made of a Shedua body with a mahogany
neck & ebony fretboard), made the heaviest Les Paul seem light,
but this thing was gorgeous, with a tree-of-life abalone inlay
on the fretboard, three-rings of abalone binding around the
body AND up the sides of the neck/fretboard & all around the
headstock face & edges, too. This was a singleneck six-
stringer, and it was shaped almost identically to the Yamaha
G-2000 that came out later.
The thing I remember most about this guitar though was the way
it played... I have NEVER before or since put my hands on a
guitar that played so well & so effortlessly... every movement
was like gliding across a newly & perfectly frozen pond on
freshly-sharpened ice skates before anyone else had managed to
get there.
I heard Rex had some playability issues on a few of his
instruments, including the McLaughlin doubleneck - which I
understand had to be built twice, actually; but he sure nailed
this one.
I wish I knew where that guitar was/is today.
Neil
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Re: I hate 12-strings! [message #84371 is a reply to message #84364] |
Fri, 11 May 2007 22:30 |
dc[3]
Messages: 895 Registered: September 2005
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Cool story. Someone handed me one of the McLaughlin guitars once
to try out... I could not believe how high the action was... Maybe it
was the reject!
DC
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>>"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>>>I also have this beast (leaning up against the wall in
>>>the background of this pic)
>>
>>That looks like the old John McLaughlin guitar... A beast
>indeed.
>
>I can tell you a little story about the guy who built the John
>McLaughlin guitar - that particular one in the shot wasn't
>built by him, it was built by me and a couple other guys when I
>was working for Mighty Mite Guitars back when they were a real
>custom guitar company & not just a parts jobber. That's a
>true one-off custom job in the pic... after it was built I
>bandsawed the templates into several pieces.
>In any event, the guy who built McLaughlin's guitar was a guy
>named Rex Bogue - Randy Zacuto, the guy who founded Mighty
>an electronics guy & also a true artisan with inlays & such,
>who had gotten into luthiery as a result of him doing inlay
>work on other people's guitars. I met Rex a handful of times
>when he would come by to meet with Randy over one thing or
>another - Rex had designed a guitar preamp we sold called the
>S-80 - it was a pretty damn good guitar or bass preamp...
>simple - a sealed box about the size of a matchbox that you'd
>wire into your guitar cavity - boosted the output & made the
>tone control have a broader range. Anyway, Randy had one of
>Rex's guitars that he used to keep around the office... super-
>beautiful, super-heavy (Made of a Shedua body with a mahogany
>neck & ebony fretboard), made the heaviest Les Paul seem light,
>but this thing was gorgeous, with a tree-of-life abalone inlay
>on the fretboard, three-rings of abalone binding around the
>body AND up the sides of the neck/fretboard & all around the
>headstock face & edges, too. This was a singleneck six-
>stringer, and it was shaped almost identically to the Yamaha
>G-2000 that came out later.
>The thing I remember most about this guitar though was the way
>it played... I have NEVER before or since put my hands on a
>guitar that played so well & so effortlessly... every movement
>was like gliding across a newly & perfectly frozen pond on
>freshly-sharpened ice skates before anyone else had managed to
>get there.
>
>I heard Rex had some playability issues on a few of his
>instruments, including the McLaughlin doubleneck - which I
>understand had to be built twice, actually; but he sure nailed
>this one.
>
>I wish I knew where that guitar was/is today.
>
>Neil
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Re: I hate 12-strings! [message #84373 is a reply to message #84371] |
Fri, 11 May 2007 22:37 |
Neil
Messages: 1645 Registered: April 2006
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Really??? Wow, I didn't know that the reject ever existed after
he built the 2nd one. I do know the one that McLaughlin had for
quite some time famously suffered a fatal headstock injury when
it fell over onto the floor on one occasion - it was repaired,
but McLaughlin reported in interviews that it never played the
same again... I wonder if the one you played WAS "the one"
(after it had been repaired)?
Neil
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>Cool story. Someone handed me one of the McLaughlin guitars once
>to try out... I could not believe how high the action was... Maybe it
>was the reject!
>
>DC
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>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I also have this beast (leaning up against the wall in
>>>>the background of this pic)
>>>
>>>That looks like the old John McLaughlin guitar... A beast
>>indeed.
>>
>>I can tell you a little story about the guy who built the John
>>McLaughlin guitar - that particular one in the shot wasn't
>>built by him, it was built by me and a couple other guys when I
>>was working for Mighty Mite Guitars back when they were a real
>>custom guitar company & not just a parts jobber. That's a
>>true one-off custom job in the pic... after it was built I
>>bandsawed the templates into several pieces.
>>In any event, the guy who built McLaughlin's guitar was a guy
>>named Rex Bogue - Randy Zacuto, the guy who founded Mighty
>>an electronics guy & also a true artisan with inlays & such,
>>who had gotten into luthiery as a result of him doing inlay
>>work on other people's guitars. I met Rex a handful of times
>>when he would come by to meet with Randy over one thing or
>>another - Rex had designed a guitar preamp we sold called the
>>S-80 - it was a pretty damn good guitar or bass preamp...
>>simple - a sealed box about the size of a matchbox that you'd
>>wire into your guitar cavity - boosted the output & made the
>>tone control have a broader range. Anyway, Randy had one of
>>Rex's guitars that he used to keep around the office... super-
>>beautiful, super-heavy (Made of a Shedua body with a mahogany
>>neck & ebony fretboard), made the heaviest Les Paul seem light,
>>but this thing was gorgeous, with a tree-of-life abalone inlay
>>on the fretboard, three-rings of abalone binding around the
>>body AND up the sides of the neck/fretboard & all around the
>>headstock face & edges, too. This was a singleneck six-
>>stringer, and it was shaped almost identically to the Yamaha
>>G-2000 that came out later.
>>The thing I remember most about this guitar though was the way
>>it played... I have NEVER before or since put my hands on a
>>guitar that played so well & so effortlessly... every movement
>>was like gliding across a newly & perfectly frozen pond on
>>freshly-sharpened ice skates before anyone else had managed to
>>get there.
>>
>>I heard Rex had some playability issues on a few of his
>>instruments, including the McLaughlin doubleneck - which I
>>understand had to be built twice, actually; but he sure nailed
>>this one.
>>
>>I wish I knew where that guitar was/is today.
>>
>>Neil
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Re: I hate 12-strings! [message #84375 is a reply to message #84373] |
Fri, 11 May 2007 22:57 |
dc[3]
Messages: 895 Registered: September 2005
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I don't know, but if it was, and he played that music on that guitar
then he is certainly an alien...
I found it almost unplayable. Maybe that's why it was gathering dust...
DC
"Neil" <OIUOIU@.com> wrote:
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>Really??? Wow, I didn't know that the reject ever existed after
>he built the 2nd one. I do know the one that McLaughlin had for
>quite some time famously suffered a fatal headstock injury when
>it fell over onto the floor on one occasion - it was repaired,
>but McLaughlin reported in interviews that it never played the
>same again... I wonder if the one you played WAS "the one"
>(after it had been repaired)?
>
>Neil
>
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>Cool story. Someone handed me one of the McLaughlin guitars once
>>to try out... I could not believe how high the action was... Maybe
it
>>was the reject!
>>
>>DC
>>
>>
>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I also have this beast (leaning up against the wall in
>>>>>the background of this pic)
>>>>
>>>>That looks like the old John McLaughlin guitar... A beast
>>>indeed.
>>>
>>>I can tell you a little story about the guy who built the John
>>>McLaughlin guitar - that particular one in the shot wasn't
>>>built by him, it was built by me and a couple other guys when I
>>>was working for Mighty Mite Guitars back when they were a real
>>>custom guitar company & not just a parts jobber. That's a
>>>true one-off custom job in the pic... after it was built I
>>>bandsawed the templates into several pieces.
>>>In any event, the guy who built McLaughlin's guitar was a guy
>>>named Rex Bogue - Randy Zacuto, the guy who founded Mighty
>>>an electronics guy & also a true artisan with inlays & such,
>>>who had gotten into luthiery as a result of him doing inlay
>>>work on other people's guitars. I met Rex a handful of times
>>>when he would come by to meet with Randy over one thing or
>>>another - Rex had designed a guitar preamp we sold called the
>>>S-80 - it was a pretty damn good guitar or bass preamp...
>>>simple - a sealed box about the size of a matchbox that you'd
>>>wire into your guitar cavity - boosted the output & made the
>>>tone control have a broader range. Anyway, Randy had one of
>>>Rex's guitars that he used to keep around the office... super-
>>>beautiful, super-heavy (Made of a Shedua body with a mahogany
>>>neck & ebony fretboard), made the heaviest Les Paul seem light,
>>>but this thing was gorgeous, with a tree-of-life abalone inlay
>>>on the fretboard, three-rings of abalone binding around the
>>>body AND up the sides of the neck/fretboard & all around the
>>>headstock face & edges, too. This was a singleneck six-
>>>stringer, and it was shaped almost identically to the Yamaha
>>>G-2000 that came out later.
>>>The thing I remember most about this guitar though was the way
>>>it played... I have NEVER before or since put my hands on a
>>>guitar that played so well & so effortlessly... every movement
>>>was like gliding across a newly & perfectly frozen pond on
>>>freshly-sharpened ice skates before anyone else had managed to
>>>get there.
>>>
>>>I heard Rex had some playability issues on a few of his
>>>instruments, including the McLaughlin doubleneck - which I
>>>understand had to be built twice, actually; but he sure nailed
>>>this one.
>>>
>>>I wish I knew where that guitar was/is today.
>>>
>>>Neil
>>
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Re: I hate 12-strings! [message #84376 is a reply to message #84374] |
Fri, 11 May 2007 23:11 |
dc[3]
Messages: 895 Registered: September 2005
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"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>You are soooo old Don. ;o) I remember them too. Used to play one onstage.
>I'll never forget listening to Dean Parks playing jazz on one of those
>things back in the late 60's at a party where our band was swapping sets
>with his.
Dean is a great player. Sounds like a pretty good party.
>Speaking of Shenandoahs, I've attached a pic to another one of my babies.
It
>was one of my live giggin guitars back in the 90's but it records well.
Cool. I bought a Taylor 410 dreadnaught that I like, but it is boomy
when recorded. I want one of these...
http://www.breedloveguitars.com/instruments/guitars/master_c lass/cm_classic/index.html
>Ever seen one? It's a Martin Shenandoah C20. Has a very nice feel and tone
>to it.They were assembled in Nazareth from parts made in Japan, and were
>finished in Nazareth as well. The "assembly" did not consist of much more
>than attaching the neck to the body, however, and because of that and the
>Japanese origin, Martin was forced to stop using the "Made in USA" stamp
on
>the inside. Mine's an early one and says Made in USA. The finish was high
>quality, and the expense of it on these lower cost guitars was one of the
>reasons Martin dropped the line.
A heard a lot of good stuff about those, but have not played one.
I had a lovely pair of KM84's that I just didn't use very often, so I sold
them and bought this, which I play all the time:
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Re: I hate 12-strings! [message #84381 is a reply to message #84376] |
Sat, 12 May 2007 00:15 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292 Registered: January 2007
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"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:46455aa6$1@linux...
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> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>You are soooo old Don. ;o) I remember them too. Used to play one onstage.
>
>>I'll never forget listening to Dean Parks playing jazz on one of those
>>things back in the late 60's at a party where our band was swapping sets
>
>>with his.
>
> Dean is a great player. Sounds like a pretty good party.
>
>
>>Speaking of Shenandoahs, I've attached a pic to another one of my babies.
> It
>>was one of my live giggin guitars back in the 90's but it records well.
>
> Cool. I bought a Taylor 410 dreadnaught that I like, but it is boomy
> when recorded. I want one of these...
>
> http://www.breedloveguitars.com/instruments/guitars/master_c lass/cm_classic/index.html
>
>
>>Ever seen one? It's a Martin Shenandoah C20. Has a very nice feel and tone
>
>>to it.They were assembled in Nazareth from parts made in Japan, and were
>
>>finished in Nazareth as well. The "assembly" did not consist of much more
>
>>than attaching the neck to the body, however, and because of that and the
>
>>Japanese origin, Martin was forced to stop using the "Made in USA" stamp
> on
>>the inside. Mine's an early one and says Made in USA. The finish was high
>
>>quality, and the expense of it on these lower cost guitars was one of the
>
>>reasons Martin dropped the line.
>
> A heard a lot of good stuff about those, but have not played one.
>
> I had a lovely pair of KM84's that I just didn't use very often, so I sold
> them and bought this, which I play all the time:
>
Haven't seen one of that particular Breedlove until now, but they are great
guitars. Aaron and I stumbled into a place on Broadway in Denver last
weekend called GuitarX and it had a whole wall full of Breedloves.
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