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| Drum "group" compression [message #68051] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 17:35  |
CJG
Messages: 16
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Hi Folks!
I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in PARIS?
I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during mix
Please. say something clever! :)
All the best
CJG
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| Re: Drum "group" compression [message #68054 is a reply to message #68051] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 18:06  |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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There are 5 ways that I know of to do this.
1. Just send all of your tracks to a big analogue console and squash and mix
them there just like you would with a tape recorder.
2. Send the tracks out the Paris inserts to an analog mixer, compress them
there, then return the two track to a pair of Paris inputs.
3. Build a second single card Paris system and network the two systems.
Install a Steinberg Midex on the system that you want to be a slave.
Set the slave system with the Midex to slave to smpte and send a smpte audio
track from the master system to the Midex on the slave system.
Either send the drum tracks to the slave system or all of the other tracks
to the slave system and keep the drum tracks on the master system, then use
NoLimit or another stereo comp across the Global bus of whichever system
(master or slave) has the drum tracks and route the outputs of the system
running the drum tracks to a pair of inputs on the system playing back the
rest of the tracks..........basically you are timeline syncing two separate
Paris systems via smpte stripe and using the global bus of one of the
systems as a drum bus only, sending the compressed bus to the other Paris
DAW.
4. Is the way I do it and it involves routing Paris tracks through a digital
matrix, looping it through busses on a separate DAW to a 2 bus comp, then
returning the 2 bus to Paris and it is so much digital insanity and $$$ that
you may not want to go there, but it is very flexible and really works well
if you've got a very powerful native system.
5. The last one is to strap an analog comp across one of the paris aux
busses and crank the aux send to taste, blending the compressed signal in
with the uncompressed tracks........there's a 1.5ms latency doing this with
an analog comp, only 2 samples or so doing it digitally. I do this a lot and
it works very well.
I think our resident guru Dimitrios probably has other esoteric options for
this using a palette of chainers, FX and wrappers, but I'm not sure.
;o)
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"CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote in message news:4463d83e$1@linux...
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> Hi Folks!
> I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in PARIS?
> I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during mix
>
> Please. say something clever! :)
> All the best
> CJG
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| Re: Drum "group" compression [message #68056 is a reply to message #68054] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 18:19 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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6. Bounce all the tracks down to a 2-channel submix and apply
the compression across that... that way you can blend
uncompressed & compressed signals to taste.
7.) Try inserting a compressor just on the overheads...
sometimes that's all it takes.
Neil
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>There are 5 ways that I know of to do this.
>
>1. Just send all of your tracks to a big analogue console and squash and
mix
>them there just like you would with a tape recorder.
>
>
>2. Send the tracks out the Paris inserts to an analog mixer, compress them
>there, then return the two track to a pair of Paris inputs.
>
>3. Build a second single card Paris system and network the two systems.
>Install a Steinberg Midex on the system that you want to be a slave.
>Set the slave system with the Midex to slave to smpte and send a smpte audio
>track from the master system to the Midex on the slave system.
>Either send the drum tracks to the slave system or all of the other tracks
>to the slave system and keep the drum tracks on the master system, then
use
>NoLimit or another stereo comp across the Global bus of whichever system
>(master or slave) has the drum tracks and route the outputs of the system
>running the drum tracks to a pair of inputs on the system playing back the
>rest of the tracks..........basically you are timeline syncing two separate
>Paris systems via smpte stripe and using the global bus of one of the
>systems as a drum bus only, sending the compressed bus to the other Paris
>DAW.
>
>4. Is the way I do it and it involves routing Paris tracks through a digital
>matrix, looping it through busses on a separate DAW to a 2 bus comp, then
>returning the 2 bus to Paris and it is so much digital insanity and $$$
that
>you may not want to go there, but it is very flexible and really works well
>if you've got a very powerful native system.
>
>5. The last one is to strap an analog comp across one of the paris aux
>busses and crank the aux send to taste, blending the compressed signal in
>with the uncompressed tracks........there's a 1.5ms latency doing this with
>an analog comp, only 2 samples or so doing it digitally. I do this a lot
and
>it works very well.
>
>
>I think our resident guru Dimitrios probably has other esoteric options
for
>this using a palette of chainers, FX and wrappers, but I'm not sure.
>
>;o)
>.
>
>"CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote in message news:4463d83e$1@linux...
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>> Hi Folks!
>> I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in PARIS?
>> I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during mix
>>
>> Please. say something clever! :)
>> All the best
>> CJG
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| Re: Drum "group" compression [message #68057 is a reply to message #68054] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 18:25 |
jef knight[1]
Messages: 201
Registered: October 2005
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geez, that was alot better than my answer...lol
j
DJ wrote:
>There are 5 ways that I know of to do this.
>
>1. Just send all of your tracks to a big analogue console and squash and mix
>them there just like you would with a tape recorder.
>
>
>2. Send the tracks out the Paris inserts to an analog mixer, compress them
>there, then return the two track to a pair of Paris inputs.
>
>3. Build a second single card Paris system and network the two systems.
>Install a Steinberg Midex on the system that you want to be a slave.
>Set the slave system with the Midex to slave to smpte and send a smpte audio
>track from the master system to the Midex on the slave system.
>Either send the drum tracks to the slave system or all of the other tracks
>to the slave system and keep the drum tracks on the master system, then use
>NoLimit or another stereo comp across the Global bus of whichever system
>(master or slave) has the drum tracks and route the outputs of the system
>running the drum tracks to a pair of inputs on the system playing back the
>rest of the tracks..........basically you are timeline syncing two separate
>Paris systems via smpte stripe and using the global bus of one of the
>systems as a drum bus only, sending the compressed bus to the other Paris
>DAW.
>
>4. Is the way I do it and it involves routing Paris tracks through a digital
>matrix, looping it through busses on a separate DAW to a 2 bus comp, then
>returning the 2 bus to Paris and it is so much digital insanity and $$$ that
>you may not want to go there, but it is very flexible and really works well
>if you've got a very powerful native system.
>
>5. The last one is to strap an analog comp across one of the paris aux
>busses and crank the aux send to taste, blending the compressed signal in
>with the uncompressed tracks........there's a 1.5ms latency doing this with
>an analog comp, only 2 samples or so doing it digitally. I do this a lot and
>it works very well.
>
>
>I think our resident guru Dimitrios probably has other esoteric options for
>this using a palette of chainers, FX and wrappers, but I'm not sure.
>
>;o)
>.
>
>"CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote in message news:4463d83e$1@linux...
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>
>>Hi Folks!
>>I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in PARIS?
>>I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during mix
>>
>>Please. say something clever! :)
>>All the best
>>CJG
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| Re: Drum "group" compression [message #68058 is a reply to message #68054] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 18:22 |
CJG
Messages: 16
Registered: March 2006
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DJ,
THANKS for taking time typing all that!!
I'll most likely find the solotion in Your little novel ;)
Sending the tracks out to a separate console seems to be a pretty smooth
way to me.
Thanks
CJG
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>There are 5 ways that I know of to do this.
>
>1. Just send all of your tracks to a big analogue console and squash and
mix
>them there just like you would with a tape recorder.
>
>
>2. Send the tracks out the Paris inserts to an analog mixer, compress them
>there, then return the two track to a pair of Paris inputs.
>
>3. Build a second single card Paris system and network the two systems.
>Install a Steinberg Midex on the system that you want to be a slave.
>Set the slave system with the Midex to slave to smpte and send a smpte audio
>track from the master system to the Midex on the slave system.
>Either send the drum tracks to the slave system or all of the other tracks
>to the slave system and keep the drum tracks on the master system, then
use
>NoLimit or another stereo comp across the Global bus of whichever system
>(master or slave) has the drum tracks and route the outputs of the system
>running the drum tracks to a pair of inputs on the system playing back the
>rest of the tracks..........basically you are timeline syncing two separate
>Paris systems via smpte stripe and using the global bus of one of the
>systems as a drum bus only, sending the compressed bus to the other Paris
>DAW.
>
>4. Is the way I do it and it involves routing Paris tracks through a digital
>matrix, looping it through busses on a separate DAW to a 2 bus comp, then
>returning the 2 bus to Paris and it is so much digital insanity and $$$
that
>you may not want to go there, but it is very flexible and really works well
>if you've got a very powerful native system.
>
>5. The last one is to strap an analog comp across one of the paris aux
>busses and crank the aux send to taste, blending the compressed signal in
>with the uncompressed tracks........there's a 1.5ms latency doing this with
>an analog comp, only 2 samples or so doing it digitally. I do this a lot
and
>it works very well.
>
>
>I think our resident guru Dimitrios probably has other esoteric options
for
>this using a palette of chainers, FX and wrappers, but I'm not sure.
>
>;o)
>.
>
>"CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote in message news:4463d83e$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi Folks!
>> I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in PARIS?
>> I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during mix
>>
>> Please. say something clever! :)
>> All the best
>> CJG
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| Re: Drum "group" compression [message #68059 is a reply to message #68056] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 18:19 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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now Neil.........you and I both know that this is wayyyyy too simple and
doesn't require nearly enough money.
;o)
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4463e2be$1@linux...
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> 6. Bounce all the tracks down to a 2-channel submix and apply
> the compression across that... that way you can blend
> uncompressed & compressed signals to taste.
>
> 7.) Try inserting a compressor just on the overheads...
> sometimes that's all it takes.
>
> Neil
>
>
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> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >There are 5 ways that I know of to do this.
> >
> >1. Just send all of your tracks to a big analogue console and squash and
> mix
> >them there just like you would with a tape recorder.
> >
> >
> >2. Send the tracks out the Paris inserts to an analog mixer, compress
them
> >there, then return the two track to a pair of Paris inputs.
> >
> >3. Build a second single card Paris system and network the two systems.
> >Install a Steinberg Midex on the system that you want to be a slave.
> >Set the slave system with the Midex to slave to smpte and send a smpte
audio
> >track from the master system to the Midex on the slave system.
> >Either send the drum tracks to the slave system or all of the other
tracks
> >to the slave system and keep the drum tracks on the master system, then
> use
> >NoLimit or another stereo comp across the Global bus of whichever system
> >(master or slave) has the drum tracks and route the outputs of the system
> >running the drum tracks to a pair of inputs on the system playing back
the
> >rest of the tracks..........basically you are timeline syncing two
separate
> >Paris systems via smpte stripe and using the global bus of one of the
> >systems as a drum bus only, sending the compressed bus to the other Paris
> >DAW.
> >
> >4. Is the way I do it and it involves routing Paris tracks through a
digital
> >matrix, looping it through busses on a separate DAW to a 2 bus comp, then
> >returning the 2 bus to Paris and it is so much digital insanity and $$$
> that
> >you may not want to go there, but it is very flexible and really works
well
> >if you've got a very powerful native system.
> >
> >5. The last one is to strap an analog comp across one of the paris aux
> >busses and crank the aux send to taste, blending the compressed signal in
> >with the uncompressed tracks........there's a 1.5ms latency doing this
with
> >an analog comp, only 2 samples or so doing it digitally. I do this a lot
> and
> >it works very well.
> >
> >
> >I think our resident guru Dimitrios probably has other esoteric options
> for
> >this using a palette of chainers, FX and wrappers, but I'm not sure.
> >
> >;o)
> >.
> >
> >"CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote in message news:4463d83e$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Hi Folks!
> >> I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in
PARIS?
> >> I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during mix
> >>
> >> Please. say something clever! :)
> >> All the best
> >> CJG
> >
> >
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| Re: Drum "group" compression [message #68060 is a reply to message #68058] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 18:24 |
CJG
Messages: 16
Registered: March 2006
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Wow!
While typing my reply to DJ there was million other answers dropping in!
Thanks all of You
CJG
"CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote:
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>DJ,
>THANKS for taking time typing all that!!
>
>I'll most likely find the solotion in Your little novel ;)
>Sending the tracks out to a separate console seems to be a pretty smooth
>way to me.
>Thanks
>CJG
>
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>There are 5 ways that I know of to do this.
>>
>>1. Just send all of your tracks to a big analogue console and squash and
>mix
>>them there just like you would with a tape recorder.
>>
>>
>>2. Send the tracks out the Paris inserts to an analog mixer, compress them
>>there, then return the two track to a pair of Paris inputs.
>>
>>3. Build a second single card Paris system and network the two systems.
>>Install a Steinberg Midex on the system that you want to be a slave.
>>Set the slave system with the Midex to slave to smpte and send a smpte
audio
>>track from the master system to the Midex on the slave system.
>>Either send the drum tracks to the slave system or all of the other tracks
>>to the slave system and keep the drum tracks on the master system, then
>use
>>NoLimit or another stereo comp across the Global bus of whichever system
>>(master or slave) has the drum tracks and route the outputs of the system
>>running the drum tracks to a pair of inputs on the system playing back
the
>>rest of the tracks..........basically you are timeline syncing two separate
>>Paris systems via smpte stripe and using the global bus of one of the
>>systems as a drum bus only, sending the compressed bus to the other Paris
>>DAW.
>>
>>4. Is the way I do it and it involves routing Paris tracks through a digital
>>matrix, looping it through busses on a separate DAW to a 2 bus comp, then
>>returning the 2 bus to Paris and it is so much digital insanity and $$$
>that
>>you may not want to go there, but it is very flexible and really works
well
>>if you've got a very powerful native system.
>>
>>5. The last one is to strap an analog comp across one of the paris aux
>>busses and crank the aux send to taste, blending the compressed signal
in
>>with the uncompressed tracks........there's a 1.5ms latency doing this
with
>>an analog comp, only 2 samples or so doing it digitally. I do this a lot
>and
>>it works very well.
>>
>>
>>I think our resident guru Dimitrios probably has other esoteric options
>for
>>this using a palette of chainers, FX and wrappers, but I'm not sure.
>>
>>;o)
>>.
>>
>>"CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote in message news:4463d83e$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Hi Folks!
>>> I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in PARIS?
>>> I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during mix
>>>
>>> Please. say something clever! :)
>>> All the best
>>> CJG
>>
>>
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| Re: Drum "group" compression [message #68071 is a reply to message #68059] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 20:55 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Quite true... I never seem to remember that obviously most-
critical aspect.
lol
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>now Neil.........you and I both know that this is wayyyyy too simple and
>doesn't require nearly enough money.
>
>;o)
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4463e2be$1@linux...
>>
>> 6. Bounce all the tracks down to a 2-channel submix and apply
>> the compression across that... that way you can blend
>> uncompressed & compressed signals to taste.
>>
>> 7.) Try inserting a compressor just on the overheads...
>> sometimes that's all it takes.
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >There are 5 ways that I know of to do this.
>> >
>> >1. Just send all of your tracks to a big analogue console and squash
and
>> mix
>> >them there just like you would with a tape recorder.
>> >
>> >
>> >2. Send the tracks out the Paris inserts to an analog mixer, compress
>them
>> >there, then return the two track to a pair of Paris inputs.
>> >
>> >3. Build a second single card Paris system and network the two systems.
>> >Install a Steinberg Midex on the system that you want to be a slave.
>> >Set the slave system with the Midex to slave to smpte and send a smpte
>audio
>> >track from the master system to the Midex on the slave system.
>> >Either send the drum tracks to the slave system or all of the other
>tracks
>> >to the slave system and keep the drum tracks on the master system, then
>> use
>> >NoLimit or another stereo comp across the Global bus of whichever system
>> >(master or slave) has the drum tracks and route the outputs of the system
>> >running the drum tracks to a pair of inputs on the system playing back
>the
>> >rest of the tracks..........basically you are timeline syncing two
>separate
>> >Paris systems via smpte stripe and using the global bus of one of the
>> >systems as a drum bus only, sending the compressed bus to the other Paris
>> >DAW.
>> >
>> >4. Is the way I do it and it involves routing Paris tracks through a
>digital
>> >matrix, looping it through busses on a separate DAW to a 2 bus comp,
then
>> >returning the 2 bus to Paris and it is so much digital insanity and $$$
>> that
>> >you may not want to go there, but it is very flexible and really works
>well
>> >if you've got a very powerful native system.
>> >
>> >5. The last one is to strap an analog comp across one of the paris aux
>> >busses and crank the aux send to taste, blending the compressed signal
in
>> >with the uncompressed tracks........there's a 1.5ms latency doing this
>with
>> >an analog comp, only 2 samples or so doing it digitally. I do this a
lot
>> and
>> >it works very well.
>> >
>> >
>> >I think our resident guru Dimitrios probably has other esoteric options
>> for
>> >this using a palette of chainers, FX and wrappers, but I'm not sure.
>> >
>> >;o)
>> >.
>> >
>> >"CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote in message news:4463d83e$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Hi Folks!
>> >> I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in
>PARIS?
>> >> I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during
mix
>> >>
>> >> Please. say something clever! :)
>> >> All the best
>> >> CJG
>> >
>> >
>>
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| Re: Drum "group" compression [message #68075 is a reply to message #68059] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 22:06 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005
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Yeah, what are you think'n? Way too wussy. jeesh!
;-)
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>now Neil.........you and I both know that this is wayyyyy too simple and
>doesn't require nearly enough money.
>
>;o)
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4463e2be$1@linux...
>>
>> 6. Bounce all the tracks down to a 2-channel submix and apply
>> the compression across that... that way you can blend
>> uncompressed & compressed signals to taste.
>>
>> 7.) Try inserting a compressor just on the overheads...
>> sometimes that's all it takes.
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >There are 5 ways that I know of to do this.
>> >
>> >1. Just send all of your tracks to a big analogue console and squash
and
>> mix
>> >them there just like you would with a tape recorder.
>> >
>> >
>> >2. Send the tracks out the Paris inserts to an analog mixer, compress
>them
>> >there, then return the two track to a pair of Paris inputs.
>> >
>> >3. Build a second single card Paris system and network the two systems.
>> >Install a Steinberg Midex on the system that you want to be a slave.
>> >Set the slave system with the Midex to slave to smpte and send a smpte
>audio
>> >track from the master system to the Midex on the slave system.
>> >Either send the drum tracks to the slave system or all of the other
>tracks
>> >to the slave system and keep the drum tracks on the master system, then
>> use
>> >NoLimit or another stereo comp across the Global bus of whichever system
>> >(master or slave) has the drum tracks and route the outputs of the system
>> >running the drum tracks to a pair of inputs on the system playing back
>the
>> >rest of the tracks..........basically you are timeline syncing two
>separate
>> >Paris systems via smpte stripe and using the global bus of one of the
>> >systems as a drum bus only, sending the compressed bus to the other Paris
>> >DAW.
>> >
>> >4. Is the way I do it and it involves routing Paris tracks through a
>digital
>> >matrix, looping it through busses on a separate DAW to a 2 bus comp,
then
>> >returning the 2 bus to Paris and it is so much digital insanity and $$$
>> that
>> >you may not want to go there, but it is very flexible and really works
>well
>> >if you've got a very powerful native system.
>> >
>> >5. The last one is to strap an analog comp across one of the paris aux
>> >busses and crank the aux send to taste, blending the compressed signal
in
>> >with the uncompressed tracks........there's a 1.5ms latency doing this
>with
>> >an analog comp, only 2 samples or so doing it digitally. I do this a
lot
>> and
>> >it works very well.
>> >
>> >
>> >I think our resident guru Dimitrios probably has other esoteric options
>> for
>> >this using a palette of chainers, FX and wrappers, but I'm not sure.
>> >
>> >;o)
>> >.
>> >
>> >"CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote in message news:4463d83e$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Hi Folks!
>> >> I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in
>PARIS?
>> >> I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during
mix
>> >>
>> >> Please. say something clever! :)
>> >> All the best
>> >> CJG
>> >
>> >
>>
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| Re: Drum "group" compression [message #68082 is a reply to message #68075] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 23:35 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Yeah man.. You gotta at LEAST by a coupla 8 ins and 8 outs and a dangerous 2
bus with a few blackface LA2a's to strap across. Maybe a Distressor or two
and for good measure some SPL transient shapers.
Sheesh.. amateur spender.
AA
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:446417c1$1@linux...
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> Yeah, what are you think'n? Way too wussy. jeesh!
> ;-)
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>now Neil.........you and I both know that this is wayyyyy too simple and
>>doesn't require nearly enough money.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4463e2be$1@linux...
>>>
>>> 6. Bounce all the tracks down to a 2-channel submix and apply
>>> the compression across that... that way you can blend
>>> uncompressed & compressed signals to taste.
>>>
>>> 7.) Try inserting a compressor just on the overheads...
>>> sometimes that's all it takes.
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> >There are 5 ways that I know of to do this.
>>> >
>>> >1. Just send all of your tracks to a big analogue console and squash
> and
>>> mix
>>> >them there just like you would with a tape recorder.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >2. Send the tracks out the Paris inserts to an analog mixer, compress
>>them
>>> >there, then return the two track to a pair of Paris inputs.
>>> >
>>> >3. Build a second single card Paris system and network the two systems.
>>> >Install a Steinberg Midex on the system that you want to be a slave.
>>> >Set the slave system with the Midex to slave to smpte and send a smpte
>>audio
>>> >track from the master system to the Midex on the slave system.
>>> >Either send the drum tracks to the slave system or all of the other
>>tracks
>>> >to the slave system and keep the drum tracks on the master system, then
>>> use
>>> >NoLimit or another stereo comp across the Global bus of whichever
>>> >system
>>> >(master or slave) has the drum tracks and route the outputs of the
>>> >system
>>> >running the drum tracks to a pair of inputs on the system playing back
>>the
>>> >rest of the tracks..........basically you are timeline syncing two
>>separate
>>> >Paris systems via smpte stripe and using the global bus of one of the
>>> >systems as a drum bus only, sending the compressed bus to the other
>>> >Paris
>>> >DAW.
>>> >
>>> >4. Is the way I do it and it involves routing Paris tracks through a
>>digital
>>> >matrix, looping it through busses on a separate DAW to a 2 bus comp,
> then
>>> >returning the 2 bus to Paris and it is so much digital insanity and $$$
>>> that
>>> >you may not want to go there, but it is very flexible and really works
>>well
>>> >if you've got a very powerful native system.
>>> >
>>> >5. The last one is to strap an analog comp across one of the paris aux
>>> >busses and crank the aux send to taste, blending the compressed signal
> in
>>> >with the uncompressed tracks........there's a 1.5ms latency doing this
>>with
>>> >an analog comp, only 2 samples or so doing it digitally. I do this a
> lot
>>> and
>>> >it works very well.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >I think our resident guru Dimitrios probably has other esoteric options
>>> for
>>> >this using a palette of chainers, FX and wrappers, but I'm not sure.
>>> >
>>> >;o)
>>> >.
>>> >
>>> >"CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote in message news:4463d83e$1@linux...
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi Folks!
>>> >> I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in
>>PARIS?
>>> >> I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during
> mix
>>> >>
>>> >> Please. say something clever! :)
>>> >> All the best
>>> >> CJG
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Drum "group" compression [message #68083 is a reply to message #68051] |
Fri, 12 May 2006 00:42 |
Dimitrios
Messages: 1056
Registered: August 2005
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Senior Member |
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Dear Paris user...
The following is the easiest and CHEAPEST WAY TO DO THIS WITH COMPLETE time
allignment.
First you buy Chainer VST wrapper... and thats the only expense you make.
Then you put chainer on every drumtrack, kick snare, OH's, Tom1,Tom2,Tom3
whatever...
Now on each Chainer you put on its first slot the input module, then on slot2
you put a vst compressor, many free out there, most of them are 0 latent
!
I have posted some names before.
There you squash the hell out of your compressor which means you have a 100%
wet compressed and heavily squashed drumtrack.
Now chainer has also dry control !, meaning you can add "uncompressed" sound
too...
You do exactly the same for all your drumtracks.
On you stereo drumtracks like OH's you put a stereo instance of chainer doing
the same things...
Chainer can take this thing steps further...
It has 10 pages so you can add EQ another compressor, whatever all time alligned
, I also have posted about that.
Dead simple cheap enouph and extremely effective.
No nudging, no latency compensation.
Beware, wavesren has 64 samples latency, T-racks has also 64 samples latency,
Waves C1 though has 0 latency.
MOST OTHER COMPRESSORS INCLUDING COMMERCIAL ONES ARE ) LATEnt ...
Hope this helps
Regards,
Dimitrios
"CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Folks!
>I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in PARIS?
>I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during mix
>
>Please. say something clever! :)
>All the best
>CJG
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| Re: Drum "group" compression [message #68086 is a reply to message #68054] |
Fri, 12 May 2006 05:32 |
Rich Lamanna
Messages: 316
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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Too bad that the Paris designers didn't allow the user to strap an EDS
effect across the Master Mixer of each individual card. If so you would be
able to move all the tracks to a free EDS card, dedicating that card to the
drum mix and using one effect on that card only. As you said, DJ, the only
way to do this is to build a second system and slave the two together. A
little bit of extra work to say the least.
Rich
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:4463e099@linux...
> There are 5 ways that I know of to do this.
>
> 1. Just send all of your tracks to a big analogue console and squash and
mix
> them there just like you would with a tape recorder.
>
>
> 2. Send the tracks out the Paris inserts to an analog mixer, compress them
> there, then return the two track to a pair of Paris inputs.
>
> 3. Build a second single card Paris system and network the two systems.
> Install a Steinberg Midex on the system that you want to be a slave.
> Set the slave system with the Midex to slave to smpte and send a smpte
audio
> track from the master system to the Midex on the slave system.
> Either send the drum tracks to the slave system or all of the other tracks
> to the slave system and keep the drum tracks on the master system, then
use
> NoLimit or another stereo comp across the Global bus of whichever system
> (master or slave) has the drum tracks and route the outputs of the system
> running the drum tracks to a pair of inputs on the system playing back the
> rest of the tracks..........basically you are timeline syncing two
separate
> Paris systems via smpte stripe and using the global bus of one of the
> systems as a drum bus only, sending the compressed bus to the other Paris
> DAW.
>
> 4. Is the way I do it and it involves routing Paris tracks through a
digital
> matrix, looping it through busses on a separate DAW to a 2 bus comp, then
> returning the 2 bus to Paris and it is so much digital insanity and $$$
that
> you may not want to go there, but it is very flexible and really works
well
> if you've got a very powerful native system.
>
> 5. The last one is to strap an analog comp across one of the paris aux
> busses and crank the aux send to taste, blending the compressed signal in
> with the uncompressed tracks........there's a 1.5ms latency doing this
with
> an analog comp, only 2 samples or so doing it digitally. I do this a lot
and
> it works very well.
>
>
> I think our resident guru Dimitrios probably has other esoteric options
for
> this using a palette of chainers, FX and wrappers, but I'm not sure.
>
> ;o)
> .
>
> "CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote in message news:4463d83e$1@linux...
> >
> > Hi Folks!
> > I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in
PARIS?
> > I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during mix
> >
> > Please. say something clever! :)
> > All the best
> > CJG
>
>
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| Re: Drum "group" compression [message #68088 is a reply to message #68086] |
Fri, 12 May 2006 05:54 |
Dimitrios
Messages: 1056
Registered: August 2005
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Senior Member |
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Dear Rich,
I don't see the point why not use aux to send to a compressor stereo setting
at pre and nulling the faders, then you can send all you drumtracks into
the same compressor or Nolimit and either use the return trimmer or use in/out
wires to send the aux back to a Paris audio track and then use this with
fader (automation etc) and eq for your drumtracks compression.
If you use compressor with 0 lookahead you will have only 2-4 samples latency
on all your drumtracks.
Rgards,
Dimitrios
"Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>Too bad that the Paris designers didn't allow the user to strap an EDS
>effect across the Master Mixer of each individual card. If so you would
be
>able to move all the tracks to a free EDS card, dedicating that card to
the
>drum mix and using one effect on that card only. As you said, DJ, the only
>way to do this is to build a second system and slave the two together. A
>little bit of extra work to say the least.
>
>Rich
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:4463e099@linux...
>> There are 5 ways that I know of to do this.
>>
>> 1. Just send all of your tracks to a big analogue console and squash and
>mix
>> them there just like you would with a tape recorder.
>>
>>
>> 2. Send the tracks out the Paris inserts to an analog mixer, compress
them
>> there, then return the two track to a pair of Paris inputs.
>>
>> 3. Build a second single card Paris system and network the two systems.
>> Install a Steinberg Midex on the system that you want to be a slave.
>> Set the slave system with the Midex to slave to smpte and send a smpte
>audio
>> track from the master system to the Midex on the slave system.
>> Either send the drum tracks to the slave system or all of the other tracks
>> to the slave system and keep the drum tracks on the master system, then
>use
>> NoLimit or another stereo comp across the Global bus of whichever system
>> (master or slave) has the drum tracks and route the outputs of the system
>> running the drum tracks to a pair of inputs on the system playing back
the
>> rest of the tracks..........basically you are timeline syncing two
>separate
>> Paris systems via smpte stripe and using the global bus of one of the
>> systems as a drum bus only, sending the compressed bus to the other Paris
>> DAW.
>>
>> 4. Is the way I do it and it involves routing Paris tracks through a
>digital
>> matrix, looping it through busses on a separate DAW to a 2 bus comp, then
>> returning the 2 bus to Paris and it is so much digital insanity and $$$
>that
>> you may not want to go there, but it is very flexible and really works
>well
>> if you've got a very powerful native system.
>>
>> 5. The last one is to strap an analog comp across one of the paris aux
>> busses and crank the aux send to taste, blending the compressed signal
in
>> with the uncompressed tracks........there's a 1.5ms latency doing this
>with
>> an analog comp, only 2 samples or so doing it digitally. I do this a lot
>and
>> it works very well.
>>
>>
>> I think our resident guru Dimitrios probably has other esoteric options
>for
>> this using a palette of chainers, FX and wrappers, but I'm not sure.
>>
>> ;o)
>> .
>>
>> "CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote in message news:4463d83e$1@linux...
>> >
>> > Hi Folks!
>> > I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in
>PARIS?
>> > I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during
mix
>> >
>> > Please. say something clever! :)
>> > All the best
>> > CJG
>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Drum "group" compression [message #68092 is a reply to message #68086] |
Fri, 12 May 2006 06:47 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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You can do this. Use an aux instead. If you have an unused EDS card, copy
and paste your mixer settings, copy drag your drum tracks to there, select
prefade on aux 1 for each track, mute each track, select NOLIMIT or the eds
compressor. All you will be hearing is the compressed sound on that submix.
Note: you will have to compensate for latency between submixes, and for the
eds effect. You would have to do this, even if there was a way to strap an
effect across a submix.
Submix latency varies from system to system but is "about" 12 to 14 samples
from card A to card B and 2 samples per card after that. Latency for the
eds comp with no lookahead is 2 samples, No Limit is the same. On no Limit
you will want to use lookahead of about 25, which means nudge back 1 ms and
apply 53 samples of sampleslide.
Rod
"Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>Too bad that the Paris designers didn't allow the user to strap an EDS
>effect across the Master Mixer of each individual card. If so you would
be
>able to move all the tracks to a free EDS card, dedicating that card to
the
>drum mix and using one effect on that card only. As you said, DJ, the only
>way to do this is to build a second system and slave the two together. A
>little bit of extra work to say the least.
>
>Rich
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:4463e099@linux...
>> There are 5 ways that I know of to do this.
>>
>> 1. Just send all of your tracks to a big analogue console and squash and
>mix
>> them there just like you would with a tape recorder.
>>
>>
>> 2. Send the tracks out the Paris inserts to an analog mixer, compress
them
>> there, then return the two track to a pair of Paris inputs.
>>
>> 3. Build a second single card Paris system and network the two systems.
>> Install a Steinberg Midex on the system that you want to be a slave.
>> Set the slave system with the Midex to slave to smpte and send a smpte
>audio
>> track from the master system to the Midex on the slave system.
>> Either send the drum tracks to the slave system or all of the other tracks
>> to the slave system and keep the drum tracks on the master system, then
>use
>> NoLimit or another stereo comp across the Global bus of whichever system
>> (master or slave) has the drum tracks and route the outputs of the system
>> running the drum tracks to a pair of inputs on the system playing back
the
>> rest of the tracks..........basically you are timeline syncing two
>separate
>> Paris systems via smpte stripe and using the global bus of one of the
>> systems as a drum bus only, sending the compressed bus to the other Paris
>> DAW.
>>
>> 4. Is the way I do it and it involves routing Paris tracks through a
>digital
>> matrix, looping it through busses on a separate DAW to a 2 bus comp, then
>> returning the 2 bus to Paris and it is so much digital insanity and $$$
>that
>> you may not want to go there, but it is very flexible and really works
>well
>> if you've got a very powerful native system.
>>
>> 5. The last one is to strap an analog comp across one of the paris aux
>> busses and crank the aux send to taste, blending the compressed signal
in
>> with the uncompressed tracks........there's a 1.5ms latency doing this
>with
>> an analog comp, only 2 samples or so doing it digitally. I do this a lot
>and
>> it works very well.
>>
>>
>> I think our resident guru Dimitrios probably has other esoteric options
>for
>> this using a palette of chainers, FX and wrappers, but I'm not sure.
>>
>> ;o)
>> .
>>
>> "CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote in message news:4463d83e$1@linux...
>> >
>> > Hi Folks!
>> > I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in
>PARIS?
>> > I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during
mix
>> >
>> > Please. say something clever! :)
>> > All the best
>> > CJG
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Drum "group" compression [message #68095 is a reply to message #68083] |
Fri, 12 May 2006 07:01 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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Senior Member |
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.........seee.......I told you this guy had a chainer in his holster.
;o)
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:44643c73$1@linux...
>
> Dear Paris user...
> The following is the easiest and CHEAPEST WAY TO DO THIS WITH COMPLETE
time
> allignment.
>
> First you buy Chainer VST wrapper... and thats the only expense you make.
>
> Then you put chainer on every drumtrack, kick snare, OH's, Tom1,Tom2,Tom3
> whatever...
>
> Now on each Chainer you put on its first slot the input module, then on
slot2
> you put a vst compressor, many free out there, most of them are 0 latent
> !
> I have posted some names before.
> There you squash the hell out of your compressor which means you have a
100%
> wet compressed and heavily squashed drumtrack.
> Now chainer has also dry control !, meaning you can add "uncompressed"
sound
> too...
> You do exactly the same for all your drumtracks.
> On you stereo drumtracks like OH's you put a stereo instance of chainer
doing
> the same things...
>
> Chainer can take this thing steps further...
> It has 10 pages so you can add EQ another compressor, whatever all time
alligned
> , I also have posted about that.
>
> Dead simple cheap enouph and extremely effective.
> No nudging, no latency compensation.
> Beware, wavesren has 64 samples latency, T-racks has also 64 samples
latency,
> Waves C1 though has 0 latency.
> MOST OTHER COMPRESSORS INCLUDING COMMERCIAL ONES ARE ) LATEnt ...
>
> Hope this helps
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
> "CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote:
> >
> >Hi Folks!
> >I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in PARIS?
> >I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during mix
>
> >
> >Please. say something clever! :)
> >All the best
> >CJG
>
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| Re: Drum "group" compression [message #68131 is a reply to message #68082] |
Fri, 12 May 2006 19:51 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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Why not blow a ton of bucks and send all 8 channels on on 8 auxes into 8
different speaker cabinets usings some Mark Levinson amps and re-mic em
all with a variet of neumans going through some nice presonus preamps.
Aaron Allen wrote:
> Yeah man.. You gotta at LEAST by a coupla 8 ins and 8 outs and a dangerous 2
> bus with a few blackface LA2a's to strap across. Maybe a Distressor or two
> and for good measure some SPL transient shapers.
> Sheesh.. amateur spender.
>
> AA
>
>
> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:446417c1$1@linux...
>
>>Yeah, what are you think'n? Way too wussy. jeesh!
>>;-)
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>>>now Neil.........you and I both know that this is wayyyyy too simple and
>>>doesn't require nearly enough money.
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4463e2be$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>6. Bounce all the tracks down to a 2-channel submix and apply
>>>>the compression across that... that way you can blend
>>>>uncompressed & compressed signals to taste.
>>>>
>>>>7.) Try inserting a compressor just on the overheads...
>>>>sometimes that's all it takes.
>>>>
>>>>Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>There are 5 ways that I know of to do this.
>>>>>
>>>>>1. Just send all of your tracks to a big analogue console and squash
>>
>>and
>>
>>>>mix
>>>>
>>>>>them there just like you would with a tape recorder.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>2. Send the tracks out the Paris inserts to an analog mixer, compress
>>>
>>>them
>>>
>>>>>there, then return the two track to a pair of Paris inputs.
>>>>>
>>>>>3. Build a second single card Paris system and network the two systems.
>>>>>Install a Steinberg Midex on the system that you want to be a slave.
>>>>>Set the slave system with the Midex to slave to smpte and send a smpte
>>>
>>>audio
>>>
>>>>>track from the master system to the Midex on the slave system.
>>>>>Either send the drum tracks to the slave system or all of the other
>>>
>>>tracks
>>>
>>>>>to the slave system and keep the drum tracks on the master system, then
>>>>
>>>>use
>>>>
>>>>>NoLimit or another stereo comp across the Global bus of whichever
>>>>>system
>>>>>(master or slave) has the drum tracks and route the outputs of the
>>>>>system
>>>>>running the drum tracks to a pair of inputs on the system playing back
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>rest of the tracks..........basically you are timeline syncing two
>>>
>>>separate
>>>
>>>>>Paris systems via smpte stripe and using the global bus of one of the
>>>>>systems as a drum bus only, sending the compressed bus to the other
>>>>>Paris
>>>>>DAW.
>>>>>
>>>>>4. Is the way I do it and it involves routing Paris tracks through a
>>>
>>>digital
>>>
>>>>>matrix, looping it through busses on a separate DAW to a 2 bus comp,
>>
>>then
>>
>>>>>returning the 2 bus to Paris and it is so much digital insanity and $$$
>>>>
>>>>that
>>>>
>>>>>you may not want to go there, but it is very flexible and really works
>>>
>>>well
>>>
>>>>>if you've got a very powerful native system.
>>>>>
>>>>>5. The last one is to strap an analog comp across one of the paris aux
>>>>>busses and crank the aux send to taste, blending the compressed signal
>>
>>in
>>
>>>>>with the uncompressed tracks........there's a 1.5ms latency doing this
>>>
>>>with
>>>
>>>>>an analog comp, only 2 samples or so doing it digitally. I do this a
>>
>>lot
>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>>it works very well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I think our resident guru Dimitrios probably has other esoteric options
>>>>
>>>>for
>>>>
>>>>>this using a palette of chainers, FX and wrappers, but I'm not sure.
>>>>>
>>>>>;o)
>>>>>.
>>>>>
>>>>>"CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote in message news:4463d83e$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Folks!
>>>>>>I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in
>>>
>>>PARIS?
>>>
>>>>>>I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during
>>
>>mix
>>
>>>>>>Please. say something clever! :)
>>>>>>All the best
>>>>>>CJG
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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| Re: Drum "group" compression......hey rick [message #68132 is a reply to message #68088] |
Fri, 12 May 2006 19:53 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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hey rick, can you explain this at a 5th grade level for me?
john
Dmitrios wrote:
> Dear Rich,
> I don't see the point why not use aux to send to a compressor stereo setting
> at pre and nulling the faders, then you can send all you drumtracks into
> the same compressor or Nolimit and either use the return trimmer or use in/out
> wires to send the aux back to a Paris audio track and then use this with
> fader (automation etc) and eq for your drumtracks compression.
> If you use compressor with 0 lookahead you will have only 2-4 samples latency
> on all your drumtracks.
> Rgards,
> Dimitrios
>
> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>Too bad that the Paris designers didn't allow the user to strap an EDS
>>effect across the Master Mixer of each individual card. If so you would
>
> be
>
>>able to move all the tracks to a free EDS card, dedicating that card to
>
> the
>
>>drum mix and using one effect on that card only. As you said, DJ, the only
>>way to do this is to build a second system and slave the two together. A
>>little bit of extra work to say the least.
>>
>>Rich
>>
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>news:4463e099@linux...
>>
>>>There are 5 ways that I know of to do this.
>>>
>>>1. Just send all of your tracks to a big analogue console and squash and
>>
>>mix
>>
>>>them there just like you would with a tape recorder.
>>>
>>>
>>>2. Send the tracks out the Paris inserts to an analog mixer, compress
>
> them
>
>>>there, then return the two track to a pair of Paris inputs.
>>>
>>>3. Build a second single card Paris system and network the two systems.
>>>Install a Steinberg Midex on the system that you want to be a slave.
>>>Set the slave system with the Midex to slave to smpte and send a smpte
>>
>>audio
>>
>>>track from the master system to the Midex on the slave system.
>>>Either send the drum tracks to the slave system or all of the other tracks
>>>to the slave system and keep the drum tracks on the master system, then
>>
>>use
>>
>>>NoLimit or another stereo comp across the Global bus of whichever system
>>>(master or slave) has the drum tracks and route the outputs of the system
>>>running the drum tracks to a pair of inputs on the system playing back
>
> the
>
>>>rest of the tracks..........basically you are timeline syncing two
>>
>>separate
>>
>>>Paris systems via smpte stripe and using the global bus of one of the
>>>systems as a drum bus only, sending the compressed bus to the other Paris
>>>DAW.
>>>
>>>4. Is the way I do it and it involves routing Paris tracks through a
>>
>>digital
>>
>>>matrix, looping it through busses on a separate DAW to a 2 bus comp, then
>>>returning the 2 bus to Paris and it is so much digital insanity and $$$
>>
>>that
>>
>>>you may not want to go there, but it is very flexible and really works
>>
>>well
>>
>>>if you've got a very powerful native system.
>>>
>>>5. The last one is to strap an analog comp across one of the paris aux
>>>busses and crank the aux send to taste, blending the compressed signal
>
> in
>
>>>with the uncompressed tracks........there's a 1.5ms latency doing this
>>
>>with
>>
>>>an analog comp, only 2 samples or so doing it digitally. I do this a lot
>>
>>and
>>
>>>it works very well.
>>>
>>>
>>>I think our resident guru Dimitrios probably has other esoteric options
>>
>>for
>>
>>>this using a palette of chainers, FX and wrappers, but I'm not sure.
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>.
>>>
>>>"CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote in message news:4463d83e$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>Hi Folks!
>>>>I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in
>>
>>PARIS?
>>
>>>>I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during
>
> mix
>
>>>>Please. say something clever! :)
>>>>All the best
>>>>CJG
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Drum "group" compression [message #68134 is a reply to message #68095] |
Fri, 12 May 2006 20:07 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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he's a chain slinger
DJ wrote:
> ........seee.......I told you this guy had a chainer in his holster.
> ;o)
>
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:44643c73$1@linux...
>
>>Dear Paris user...
>>The following is the easiest and CHEAPEST WAY TO DO THIS WITH COMPLETE
>
> time
>
>>allignment.
>>
>>First you buy Chainer VST wrapper... and thats the only expense you make.
>>
>>Then you put chainer on every drumtrack, kick snare, OH's, Tom1,Tom2,Tom3
>>whatever...
>>
>>Now on each Chainer you put on its first slot the input module, then on
>
> slot2
>
>>you put a vst compressor, many free out there, most of them are 0 latent
>>!
>>I have posted some names before.
>>There you squash the hell out of your compressor which means you have a
>
> 100%
>
>>wet compressed and heavily squashed drumtrack.
>>Now chainer has also dry control !, meaning you can add "uncompressed"
>
> sound
>
>>too...
>>You do exactly the same for all your drumtracks.
>>On you stereo drumtracks like OH's you put a stereo instance of chainer
>
> doing
>
>>the same things...
>>
>>Chainer can take this thing steps further...
>>It has 10 pages so you can add EQ another compressor, whatever all time
>
> alligned
>
>>, I also have posted about that.
>>
>>Dead simple cheap enouph and extremely effective.
>>No nudging, no latency compensation.
>>Beware, wavesren has 64 samples latency, T-racks has also 64 samples
>
> latency,
>
>>Waves C1 though has 0 latency.
>>MOST OTHER COMPRESSORS INCLUDING COMMERCIAL ONES ARE ) LATEnt ...
>>
>>Hope this helps
>>Regards,
>>Dimitrios
>>"CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Folks!
>>>I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in PARIS?
>>>I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during mix
>>
>>>Please. say something clever! :)
>>>All the best
>>>CJG
>>
>
>
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| Re: Drum "group" compression......hey rick [message #68144 is a reply to message #68132] |
Sat, 13 May 2006 02:53 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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sure. first you get all the neighbors pets and put them on a leash.
then you walk them over to your house and put them in a big room. in
this room there is another door that opens to a smaller room with no
windows and an even smaller door. now all the pets can't get out at
once so you reduce the amount of food they eat (this will take some
time so reset your clock when you're done). after sufficient time has
passed the group can now fit through the smaller door and be returned
to their rightful place in the neighborhood.
On Fri, 12 May 2006 22:53:43 -0400, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>hey rick, can you explain this at a 5th grade level for me?
>john
>
>Dmitrios wrote:
>> Dear Rich,
>> I don't see the point why not use aux to send to a compressor stereo setting
>> at pre and nulling the faders, then you can send all you drumtracks into
>> the same compressor or Nolimit and either use the return trimmer or use in/out
>> wires to send the aux back to a Paris audio track and then use this with
>> fader (automation etc) and eq for your drumtracks compression.
>> If you use compressor with 0 lookahead you will have only 2-4 samples latency
>> on all your drumtracks.
>> Rgards,
>> Dimitrios
>>
>> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Too bad that the Paris designers didn't allow the user to strap an EDS
>>>effect across the Master Mixer of each individual card. If so you would
>>
>> be
>>
>>>able to move all the tracks to a free EDS card, dedicating that card to
>>
>> the
>>
>>>drum mix and using one effect on that card only. As you said, DJ, the only
>>>way to do this is to build a second system and slave the two together. A
>>>little bit of extra work to say the least.
>>>
>>>Rich
>>>
>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>>news:4463e099@linux...
>>>
>>>>There are 5 ways that I know of to do this.
>>>>
>>>>1. Just send all of your tracks to a big analogue console and squash and
>>>
>>>mix
>>>
>>>>them there just like you would with a tape recorder.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>2. Send the tracks out the Paris inserts to an analog mixer, compress
>>
>> them
>>
>>>>there, then return the two track to a pair of Paris inputs.
>>>>
>>>>3. Build a second single card Paris system and network the two systems.
>>>>Install a Steinberg Midex on the system that you want to be a slave.
>>>>Set the slave system with the Midex to slave to smpte and send a smpte
>>>
>>>audio
>>>
>>>>track from the master system to the Midex on the slave system.
>>>>Either send the drum tracks to the slave system or all of the other tracks
>>>>to the slave system and keep the drum tracks on the master system, then
>>>
>>>use
>>>
>>>>NoLimit or another stereo comp across the Global bus of whichever system
>>>>(master or slave) has the drum tracks and route the outputs of the system
>>>>running the drum tracks to a pair of inputs on the system playing back
>>
>> the
>>
>>>>rest of the tracks..........basically you are timeline syncing two
>>>
>>>separate
>>>
>>>>Paris systems via smpte stripe and using the global bus of one of the
>>>>systems as a drum bus only, sending the compressed bus to the other Paris
>>>>DAW.
>>>>
>>>>4. Is the way I do it and it involves routing Paris tracks through a
>>>
>>>digital
>>>
>>>>matrix, looping it through busses on a separate DAW to a 2 bus comp, then
>>>>returning the 2 bus to Paris and it is so much digital insanity and $$$
>>>
>>>that
>>>
>>>>you may not want to go there, but it is very flexible and really works
>>>
>>>well
>>>
>>>>if you've got a very powerful native system.
>>>>
>>>>5. The last one is to strap an analog comp across one of the paris aux
>>>>busses and crank the aux send to taste, blending the compressed signal
>>
>> in
>>
>>>>with the uncompressed tracks........there's a 1.5ms latency doing this
>>>
>>>with
>>>
>>>>an analog comp, only 2 samples or so doing it digitally. I do this a lot
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>it works very well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I think our resident guru Dimitrios probably has other esoteric options
>>>
>>>for
>>>
>>>>this using a palette of chainers, FX and wrappers, but I'm not sure.
>>>>
>>>>;o)
>>>>.
>>>>
>>>>"CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote in message news:4463d83e$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Folks!
>>>>>I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in
>>>
>>>PARIS?
>>>
>>>>>I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during
>>
>> mix
>>
>>>>>Please. say something clever! :)
>>>>>All the best
>>>>>CJG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Drum "group" compression......hey rick [message #68145 is a reply to message #68144] |
Sat, 13 May 2006 04:04 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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Now I got it! Thanks
rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>sure. first you get all the neighbors pets and put them on a leash.
>then you walk them over to your house and put them in a big room. in
>this room there is another door that opens to a smaller room with no
>windows and an even smaller door. now all the pets can't get out at
>once so you reduce the amount of food they eat (this will take some
>time so reset your clock when you're done). after sufficient time has
>passed the group can now fit through the smaller door and be returned
>to their rightful place in the neighborhood.
>
>On Fri, 12 May 2006 22:53:43 -0400, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>>hey rick, can you explain this at a 5th grade level for me?
>>john
>>
>>Dmitrios wrote:
>>> Dear Rich,
>>> I don't see the point why not use aux to send to a compressor stereo
setting
>>> at pre and nulling the faders, then you can send all you drumtracks into
>>> the same compressor or Nolimit and either use the return trimmer or use
in/out
>>> wires to send the aux back to a Paris audio track and then use this with
>>> fader (automation etc) and eq for your drumtracks compression.
>>> If you use compressor with 0 lookahead you will have only 2-4 samples
latency
>>> on all your drumtracks.
>>> Rgards,
>>> Dimitrios
>>>
>>> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Too bad that the Paris designers didn't allow the user to strap an EDS
>>>>effect across the Master Mixer of each individual card. If so you would
>>>
>>> be
>>>
>>>>able to move all the tracks to a free EDS card, dedicating that card
to
>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>drum mix and using one effect on that card only. As you said, DJ, the
only
>>>>way to do this is to build a second system and slave the two together.
A
>>>>little bit of extra work to say the least.
>>>>
>>>>Rich
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:4463e099@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>There are 5 ways that I know of to do this.
>>>>>
>>>>>1. Just send all of your tracks to a big analogue console and squash
and
>>>>
>>>>mix
>>>>
>>>>>them there just like you would with a tape recorder.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>2. Send the tracks out the Paris inserts to an analog mixer, compress
>>>
>>> them
>>>
>>>>>there, then return the two track to a pair of Paris inputs.
>>>>>
>>>>>3. Build a second single card Paris system and network the two systems.
>>>>>Install a Steinberg Midex on the system that you want to be a slave.
>>>>>Set the slave system with the Midex to slave to smpte and send a smpte
>>>>
>>>>audio
>>>>
>>>>>track from the master system to the Midex on the slave system.
>>>>>Either send the drum tracks to the slave system or all of the other
tracks
>>>>>to the slave system and keep the drum tracks on the master system, then
>>>>
>>>>use
>>>>
>>>>>NoLimit or another stereo comp across the Global bus of whichever system
>>>>>(master or slave) has the drum tracks and route the outputs of the system
>>>>>running the drum tracks to a pair of inputs on the system playing back
>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>>rest of the tracks..........basically you are timeline syncing two
>>>>
>>>>separate
>>>>
>>>>>Paris systems via smpte stripe and using the global bus of one of the
>>>>>systems as a drum bus only, sending the compressed bus to the other
Paris
>>>>>DAW.
>>>>>
>>>>>4. Is the way I do it and it involves routing Paris tracks through a
>>>>
>>>>digital
>>>>
>>>>>matrix, looping it through busses on a separate DAW to a 2 bus comp,
then
>>>>>returning the 2 bus to Paris and it is so much digital insanity and
$$$
>>>>
>>>>that
>>>>
>>>>>you may not want to go there, but it is very flexible and really works
>>>>
>>>>well
>>>>
>>>>>if you've got a very powerful native system.
>>>>>
>>>>>5. The last one is to strap an analog comp across one of the paris aux
>>>>>busses and crank the aux send to taste, blending the compressed signal
>>>
>>> in
>>>
>>>>>with the uncompressed tracks........there's a 1.5ms latency doing this
>>>>
>>>>with
>>>>
>>>>>an analog comp, only 2 samples or so doing it digitally. I do this a
lot
>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>>it works very well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I think our resident guru Dimitrios probably has other esoteric options
>>>>
>>>>for
>>>>
>>>>>this using a palette of chainers, FX and wrappers, but I'm not sure.
>>>>>
>>>>>;o)
>>>>>.
>>>>>
>>>>>"CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote in message news:4463d83e$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Folks!
>>>>>>I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in
>>>>
>>>>PARIS?
>>>>
>>>>>>I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during
>>>
>>> mix
>>>
>>>>>>Please. say something clever! :)
>>>>>>All the best
>>>>>>CJG
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: Drum "group" compression......hey rick [message #68149 is a reply to message #68144] |
Sat, 13 May 2006 07:53 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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Senior Member |
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This usually takes a bit longer because some of the smaller dogs disappear
and due to this, some of the bigger dogs take longer to lose the weight..
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2pab62l0lhihsmg10r0ubv53mg58tj34g3@4ax.com...
> sure. first you get all the neighbors pets and put them on a leash.
> then you walk them over to your house and put them in a big room. in
> this room there is another door that opens to a smaller room with no
> windows and an even smaller door. now all the pets can't get out at
> once so you reduce the amount of food they eat (this will take some
> time so reset your clock when you're done). after sufficient time has
> passed the group can now fit through the smaller door and be returned
> to their rightful place in the neighborhood.
>
> On Fri, 12 May 2006 22:53:43 -0400, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>
> >hey rick, can you explain this at a 5th grade level for me?
> >john
> >
> >Dmitrios wrote:
> >> Dear Rich,
> >> I don't see the point why not use aux to send to a compressor stereo
setting
> >> at pre and nulling the faders, then you can send all you drumtracks
into
> >> the same compressor or Nolimit and either use the return trimmer or use
in/out
> >> wires to send the aux back to a Paris audio track and then use this
with
> >> fader (automation etc) and eq for your drumtracks compression.
> >> If you use compressor with 0 lookahead you will have only 2-4 samples
latency
> >> on all your drumtracks.
> >> Rgards,
> >> Dimitrios
> >>
> >> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Too bad that the Paris designers didn't allow the user to strap an EDS
> >>>effect across the Master Mixer of each individual card. If so you would
> >>
> >> be
> >>
> >>>able to move all the tracks to a free EDS card, dedicating that card to
> >>
> >> the
> >>
> >>>drum mix and using one effect on that card only. As you said, DJ, the
only
> >>>way to do this is to build a second system and slave the two together.
A
> >>>little bit of extra work to say the least.
> >>>
> >>>Rich
> >>>
> >>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:4463e099@linux...
> >>>
> >>>>There are 5 ways that I know of to do this.
> >>>>
> >>>>1. Just send all of your tracks to a big analogue console and squash
and
> >>>
> >>>mix
> >>>
> >>>>them there just like you would with a tape recorder.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>2. Send the tracks out the Paris inserts to an analog mixer, compress
> >>
> >> them
> >>
> >>>>there, then return the two track to a pair of Paris inputs.
> >>>>
> >>>>3. Build a second single card Paris system and network the two
systems.
> >>>>Install a Steinberg Midex on the system that you want to be a slave.
> >>>>Set the slave system with the Midex to slave to smpte and send a smpte
> >>>
> >>>audio
> >>>
> >>>>track from the master system to the Midex on the slave system.
> >>>>Either send the drum tracks to the slave system or all of the other
tracks
> >>>>to the slave system and keep the drum tracks on the master system,
then
> >>>
> >>>use
> >>>
> >>>>NoLimit or another stereo comp across the Global bus of whichever
system
> >>>>(master or slave) has the drum tracks and route the outputs of the
system
> >>>>running the drum tracks to a pair of inputs on the system playing back
> >>
> >> the
> >>
> >>>>rest of the tracks..........basically you are timeline syncing two
> >>>
> >>>separate
> >>>
> >>>>Paris systems via smpte stripe and using the global bus of one of the
> >>>>systems as a drum bus only, sending the compressed bus to the other
Paris
> >>>>DAW.
> >>>>
> >>>>4. Is the way I do it and it involves routing Paris tracks through a
> >>>
> >>>digital
> >>>
> >>>>matrix, looping it through busses on a separate DAW to a 2 bus comp,
then
> >>>>returning the 2 bus to Paris and it is so much digital insanity and
$$$
> >>>
> >>>that
> >>>
> >>>>you may not want to go there, but it is very flexible and really works
> >>>
> >>>well
> >>>
> >>>>if you've got a very powerful native system.
> >>>>
> >>>>5. The last one is to strap an analog comp across one of the paris aux
> >>>>busses and crank the aux send to taste, blending the compressed signal
> >>
> >> in
> >>
> >>>>with the uncompressed tracks........there's a 1.5ms latency doing this
> >>>
> >>>with
> >>>
> >>>>an analog comp, only 2 samples or so doing it digitally. I do this a
lot
> >>>
> >>>and
> >>>
> >>>>it works very well.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>I think our resident guru Dimitrios probably has other esoteric
options
> >>>
> >>>for
> >>>
> >>>>this using a palette of chainers, FX and wrappers, but I'm not sure.
> >>>>
> >>>>;o)
> >>>>.
> >>>>
> >>>>"CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote in message news:4463d83e$1@linux...
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hi Folks!
> >>>>>I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in
> >>>
> >>>PARIS?
> >>>
> >>>>>I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during
> >>
> >> mix
> >>
> >>>>>Please. say something clever! :)
> >>>>>All the best
> >>>>>CJG
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
>
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| Re: Drum "group" compression......hey rick [message #68157 is a reply to message #68149] |
Sat, 13 May 2006 11:43 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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NOT IN MY PERFECT WORLD...SIR!
On Sat, 13 May 2006 08:53:45 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>This usually takes a bit longer because some of the smaller dogs disappear
>and due to this, some of the bigger dogs take longer to lose the weight..
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:2pab62l0lhihsmg10r0ubv53mg58tj34g3@4ax.com...
>> sure. first you get all the neighbors pets and put them on a leash.
>> then you walk them over to your house and put them in a big room. in
>> this room there is another door that opens to a smaller room with no
>> windows and an even smaller door. now all the pets can't get out at
>> once so you reduce the amount of food they eat (this will take some
>> time so reset your clock when you're done). after sufficient time has
>> passed the group can now fit through the smaller door and be returned
>> to their rightful place in the neighborhood.
>>
>> On Fri, 12 May 2006 22:53:43 -0400, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>> >hey rick, can you explain this at a 5th grade level for me?
>> >john
>> >
>> >Dmitrios wrote:
>> >> Dear Rich,
>> >> I don't see the point why not use aux to send to a compressor stereo
>setting
>> >> at pre and nulling the faders, then you can send all you drumtracks
>into
>> >> the same compressor or Nolimit and either use the return trimmer or use
>in/out
>> >> wires to send the aux back to a Paris audio track and then use this
>with
>> >> fader (automation etc) and eq for your drumtracks compression.
>> >> If you use compressor with 0 lookahead you will have only 2-4 samples
>latency
>> >> on all your drumtracks.
>> >> Rgards,
>> >> Dimitrios
>> >>
>> >> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Too bad that the Paris designers didn't allow the user to strap an EDS
>> >>>effect across the Master Mixer of each individual card. If so you would
>> >>
>> >> be
>> >>
>> >>>able to move all the tracks to a free EDS card, dedicating that card to
>> >>
>> >> the
>> >>
>> >>>drum mix and using one effect on that card only. As you said, DJ, the
>only
>> >>>way to do this is to build a second system and slave the two together.
>A
>> >>>little bit of extra work to say the least.
>> >>>
>> >>>Rich
>> >>>
>> >>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> >>>news:4463e099@linux...
>> >>>
>> >>>>There are 5 ways that I know of to do this.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>1. Just send all of your tracks to a big analogue console and squash
>and
>> >>>
>> >>>mix
>> >>>
>> >>>>them there just like you would with a tape recorder.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>2. Send the tracks out the Paris inserts to an analog mixer, compress
>> >>
>> >> them
>> >>
>> >>>>there, then return the two track to a pair of Paris inputs.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>3. Build a second single card Paris system and network the two
>systems.
>> >>>>Install a Steinberg Midex on the system that you want to be a slave.
>> >>>>Set the slave system with the Midex to slave to smpte and send a smpte
>> >>>
>> >>>audio
>> >>>
>> >>>>track from the master system to the Midex on the slave system.
>> >>>>Either send the drum tracks to the slave system or all of the other
>tracks
>> >>>>to the slave system and keep the drum tracks on the master system,
>then
>> >>>
>> >>>use
>> >>>
>> >>>>NoLimit or another stereo comp across the Global bus of whichever
>system
>> >>>>(master or slave) has the drum tracks and route the outputs of the
>system
>> >>>>running the drum tracks to a pair of inputs on the system playing back
>> >>
>> >> the
>> >>
>> >>>>rest of the tracks..........basically you are timeline syncing two
>> >>>
>> >>>separate
>> >>>
>> >>>>Paris systems via smpte stripe and using the global bus of one of the
>> >>>>systems as a drum bus only, sending the compressed bus to the other
>Paris
>> >>>>DAW.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>4. Is the way I do it and it involves routing Paris tracks through a
>> >>>
>> >>>digital
>> >>>
>> >>>>matrix, looping it through busses on a separate DAW to a 2 bus comp,
>then
>> >>>>returning the 2 bus to Paris and it is so much digital insanity and
>$$$
>> >>>
>> >>>that
>> >>>
>> >>>>you may not want to go there, but it is very flexible and really works
>> >>>
>> >>>well
>> >>>
>> >>>>if you've got a very powerful native system.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>5. The last one is to strap an analog comp across one of the paris aux
>> >>>>busses and crank the aux send to taste, blending the compressed signal
>> >>
>> >> in
>> >>
>> >>>>with the uncompressed tracks........there's a 1.5ms latency doing this
>> >>>
>> >>>with
>> >>>
>> >>>>an analog comp, only 2 samples or so doing it digitally. I do this a
>lot
>> >>>
>> >>>and
>> >>>
>> >>>>it works very well.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>I think our resident guru Dimitrios probably has other esoteric
>options
>> >>>
>> >>>for
>> >>>
>> >>>>this using a palette of chainers, FX and wrappers, but I'm not sure.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>;o)
>> >>>>.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>"CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote in message news:4463d83e$1@linux...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>Hi Folks!
>> >>>>>I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in
>> >>>
>> >>>PARIS?
>> >>>
>> >>>>>I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during
>> >>
>> >> mix
>> >>
>> >>>>>Please. say something clever! :)
>> >>>>>All the best
>> >>>>>CJG
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>
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