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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cool, I'll give that a =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom, didn't you used to be down in the =
Bay=20
Area? I'm just getting back into Paris, but I thought you were =
trying to=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Kent</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>RK,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've never used an out of phase =
signal for this=20
purpose. I have</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>used something similar though. =
Copy lead=20
vocal track to an</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>adjacent channel, pan each hard =
lft-rt,=20
move the left track a millisecond or</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>even less back in time. The =
vocal should=20
widen without sounding</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>processed. Keep their faders =
equal=20
level. Your ear will naturally hear the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>earlier track (lft) first and =
perceive that it's=20
louder. If you feel that's disconcerting </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>try raising the right </FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>to level it out. This may decrease the effectiveness of =
the=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>process though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Another way to get it to sound more =
present is to=20
double</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>compress the track with comps in =
series but only=20
reducing by 2 or 3db each.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sometimes a third comp is needed =
along with level=20
automation. The idea</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>is to not hear pumping but have a =
fairly steady=20
state level to the vocal.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This will allow you to get it to ride =
on top of=20
the mix without jumping out</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to bite you.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Trying to get lead vocals to jump out of the mix and I remember =
a=20
trick<BR>listed somewhere telling you to copy a vocal track to a =
different=20
track, pan<BR>tracks left and right, then reverse the phase on the =
second=20
track and slowly<BR>bring the fader on the second track to meet the =
other=20
track fader at 0.<BR>Seemed to work, but the effects seemed to =
cancel each=20
other out. Does<BR>anyone use this, and if so, how do you get =
the FX=20
to not whack each other<BR>out?<BR><BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>RK,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Only apply effects to the +phase=20
track.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY ></HTML>
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Kent,
I'm in the Boston area. I know there's a bay around here somewhere...
There's Tom Boyles and Tom Bancroft too.
The other Tom
"RK" <kent510745@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43bc836c@linux...
Cool, I'll give that a try.
Tom, didn't you used to be down in the Bay Area? I'm just getting =
back into Paris, but I thought you were trying to get a Bay Area user =
group going a couple years back. =20
Kent
"Tom Bruhl"
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| Re: Lead vox standout, how? [message #62439 is a reply to message #62437] |
Wed, 04 January 2006 18:22 |
RK
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less back in time. The vocal should widen without sounding
processed. Keep their faders equal level. Your ear will naturally =
hear the
earlier track (lft) first and perceive that it's louder. If you =
feel that's disconcerting=20
try raising the right to level it out. This may decrease the =
effectiveness of the=20
process though.
Another way to get it to sound more present is to double
compress the track with comps in series but only reducing by 2 or =
3db each.
Sometimes a third comp is needed along with level automation. The =
idea
is to not hear pumping but have a fairly steady state level to the =
vocal.
This will allow you to get it to ride on top of the mix without =
jumping out
to bite you.
"RK" <kent510745@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:43bc7a43@linux...
Trying to get lead vocals to jump out of the mix and I remember a =
trick
listed somewhere telling you to copy a vocal track to a different =
track, pan
tracks left and right, then reverse the phase on the second track =
and slowly
bring the fader on the second track to meet the other track fader =
at 0.
Seemed to work, but the effects seemed to cancel each other out. =
Does
anyone use this, and if so, how do you get the FX to not whack =
each other
out?
RK,
Only apply effects to the +phase track.
Tom
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Kent,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm in the Boston area. I know =
there's a bay=20
around here somewhere...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There's Tom Boyles and Tom Bancroft=20
too.</FONT></DIV>
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href=3D"mailto:kent510745@hotmail.com">kent510745@hotmail.com</A>> =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cool, I'll give that a =
try.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom, didn't you used to be down in =
the Bay=20
Area? I'm just getting back into Paris, but I thought you were =
trying to=20
get a Bay Area user group going a couple years back. =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Kent</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>RK,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've never used an out of phase =
signal for this=20
purpose. I have</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>used something similar =
though. Copy lead=20
vocal track to an</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>adjacent channel, pan each hard =
lft-rt,=20
move the left track a millisecond or</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>even less back in time. The =
vocal should=20
widen without sounding</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>processed. Keep their faders =
equal=20
level. Your ear will naturally hear the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>earlier track (lft) first and =
perceive that=20
it's louder. If you feel that's disconcerting </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>try raising the right </FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>to level it out. This may decrease the effectiveness =
of the=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>process though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Another way to get it to sound more =
present is=20
to double</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>compress the track with comps in =
series but=20
only reducing by 2 or 3db each.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sometimes a third comp is needed =
along with=20
level automation. The idea</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>is to not hear pumping but have a =
fairly steady=20
state level to the vocal.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This will allow you to get it to =
ride on top of=20
the mix without jumping out</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to bite you.</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"RK" <<A=20
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href=3D"mailto:kent510745@hotmail.com">kent510745@hotmail.com</A>> =
wrote=20
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href=3D"news:43bc7a43@linux">news:43bc7a43@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV>Trying to get lead vocals to jump out of the mix and I =
remember a=20
trick<BR>listed somewhere telling you to copy a vocal track to a =
different=20
track, pan<BR>tracks left and right, then reverse the phase on the =
second=20
track and slowly<BR>bring the fader on the second track to meet =
the other=20
track fader at 0.<BR>Seemed to work, but the effects seemed to =
cancel each=20
other out. Does<BR>anyone use this, and if so, how do you =
get the FX=20
to not whack each other<BR&g
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Wed, 04 January 2006 19:10 |
Tom Bruhl
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heard...make sure there is somewhat of ahole around the vocals so that they
fill that void or hole all by themselves.
A quick trick is to throw the mix in mono and see what you hear...if the
guitar or piano is interfering, try a new level or re-EQ the offending
instrument so it backs off enough to give the vocals their space.
Doubling or tripling work (with appropriate time delay)...adding a chorus to
the third can help...compressing a copy of the vox track and blending to
taste might work..and the above suggestion will work
YMMV
Don
"RK" <kent510745@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43bc7a43@linux...
> Trying to get lead vocals to jump out of the mix and I remember a trick
> listed somewhere telling you to copy a vocal track to a different track,
> pan
> tracks left and right, then reverse the phase on the second track and
> slowly
> bring the fader on the second track to meet the other track fader at 0.
> Seemed to work, but the effects seemed to cancel each other out. Does
> anyone use this, and if so, how do you get the FX to not whack each other
> out?
>
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What bugs me is the final fix is always the last thing I think of...
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:43bb476f@linux...
Keep notes bro, every time you build. Funny how those little snags are =
always the ones that kick us in the sack for days until we cry like =
Homer=20
"DOH" and realize just what we forgot.
AA
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message=20
news:43b985f7$1@linux...
> Found the problem. Didn't have the "allow users to change my files"=20
> settings
> clicked on the SX computer so though I could transfer from the SX =
DAw to=20
> the
> Paris DAW (backasswards from what I need to be doing), I couldn't =
transfer
> from the Paris DAw to the Cubase DAW. Pilot error .......as usual.
>
> Seems like I need to build a DAW a week just to keep my syanpses =
firing
> properly. When I go for a couple of years, I forget one of the
> 327443333333337892 simple little things that are necessary to make =
this
> happen.
>
> I did talk to Chris Ludwig earlier today. It ws gratifying to know =
that
> 99.9% of the wierdness I've experienced while building this DAW has =
also
> been encountered by others.
>
> OK.......now where was I????
>
> ;o)
>
> "EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
> news:43b97979$1@linux...
>> That was the issue here... sometimes it would work, other times... =
not
>> so much.
>>
>> David.
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>> > Nope......didn't work after all.........Grrrrrrrr ...........;o(
>> >
>> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> > news:43b972eb$1@linux...
>> >
>> >>I fixed this by going into my ME networking and setting up a the =
drives
> to
>> >>access using a password. I have no idea why it should need this =
now,=20
>> >>but
>> >>it's just a small thing and it's working now so I'm not gonna =
worry
> about
>> >>it. pita though.
>> >>
>> >>Deej
>> >>
>> >>"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:43b95eb1@linux...
>> >>
>> >>>Our networking guys for the office shudder everytime they hear =
"ME"...
>> >>> we actually had to remove ME from all our office machines =
because
>> >>>they were so unstable with the new network we installed =
recently.
>> >>>
>> >>>David.
>> >>>
>> >>>DJ wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>What's strange about this is that it was workig perfectly with =
my
>> >
>> > other
>> >
>> >>DAW.
>> >>
>> >>>>I hven't made any changes at all to any settings on the Paris =
DAW
>> >>
>> >>running
>> >>
>> >>>>ME.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>news:43b952b4$1@linux...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>ME does NOT play nice with NT/2000/XP for networking. You may =
want
> to
>> >>>>>look at going back to 98SE instead as this is way more network
>> >
>> > friendly.
>> >
>> >>>>>David.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>DJ wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>I just set up my network connections between both my DAWs. =
They are
>> >>>>
>> >>>>seeing
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>each other's HD's and I have unrestricted sharing set. =
However, I
>> >
>> > can't
>> >
>> >>>>>>transfer files from my Paris DAW anymore. For some reason, =
even
>> >
>> > though
>> >
>> >>>>the
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>folders are set up for sharing, the sub directories and the =
folders
>> >>>>
>> >>>>within
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>these subdirectories have somehow been set to where I have to =
go
> into
>> >>>>
>> >>>>every
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>subdirectory level and set each folder to share. This machine =
is
>> >>
>> >>running
>> >>
>> >>>>>>Windows ME. I have literally hundreds of subdirectories and =
sub-sub
>> >>>>>>directories within my main directories. How could this =
happen?=20
>> >>>>>>Prior
>> >
>> > to
>> >
>> >>>>>>hooking up this new DAW, I just set my main directories to =
share on
>> >>
>> >>both
>> >>
>> >>>>>>machines and I could shuttle stuff back and forth all day =
long. The
>> >>>>
>> >>>>current
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>situation sucks most seriously..........(sigh)..........what =
else
> can
>> >>>>>>happen????.......wait.........don't answer that!!!!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>
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| Re: Lead vox standout, how? [message #62444 is a reply to message #62441] |
Wed, 04 January 2006 19:35 |
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<DIV>Trying to get lead vocals to jump out of the mix and I =
remember a=20
trick<BR>listed somewhere telling you to copy a vocal track to a =
different track, pan<BR>tracks left and right, then reverse the =
phase on=20
the second track and slowly<BR>bring the fader on the second =
track to=20
meet the other track fader at 0.<BR>Seemed to work, but the =
effects=20
seemed to cancel each other out. Does<BR>anyone use this, =
and if=20
so, how do you get the FX to not whack each =
other<BR>out?<BR><BR><FONT=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Only apply effects to the =
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I'm in the San Francisco Bay Area.
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:43bc8e94@linux...
Kent,
I'm in the Boston area. I know there's a bay around here somewhere...
There's Tom Boyles and Tom Bancroft too.
The other Tom
"RK" <kent510745@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:43bc836c@linux...
Cool, I'll give that a try.
Tom, didn't you used to be down in the Bay Area? I'm just getting =
back into Paris, but I thought you were trying to get a Bay Area user =
group going a couple years back. =20
Kent
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:43bc8234@linux...
RK,
I've never used an out of phase signal for this purpose. I have
used something similar though. Copy lead vocal track to an
adjacent channel, pan each hard lft-rt, move the left track a =
millisecond or
even less back in time. The vocal should widen without sounding
processed. Keep their faders equal level. Your ear will =
naturally hear the
earlier track (lft) first and perceive that it's louder. If you =
feel that's disconcerting=20
try raising the right to level it out. This may decrease the =
effectiveness of the=20
process though.
Another way to get it to sound more present is to double
compress the track with comps in series but only reducing by 2 or =
3db each.
Sometimes a third comp is needed along with level automation. The =
idea
is to not hear pumping but have a fairly steady state level to the =
vocal.
This will allow you to get it to ride on top of the mix without =
jumping out
to bite you.
"RK" <kent510745@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:43bc7a43@linux...
Trying to get lead vocals to jump out of the mix and I remember =
a trick
listed somewhere telling you to copy a vocal track to a =
different track, pan
tracks left and right, then reverse the phase on the second =
track and slowly
bring the fader on the second track to meet the other track =
fader at 0.
Seemed to work, but the effects seemed to cancel each other out. =
Does
anyone use this, and if so, how do you get the FX to not whack =
each other
out?
RK,
Only apply effects to the +phase track.
Tom
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Kent,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm in the Boston area. I know =
there's a=20
bay around here somewhere...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There's Tom Boyles and Tom Bancroft=20
too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The other Tom</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"RK" <<A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cool, I'll give that a =
try.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom, didn't you used to be down in =
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Area? I'm just getting back into Paris, but I thought you were =
trying=20
to get a Bay Area user group going a couple years back. =20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Kent</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>RK,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've never used an out of phase =
signal for=20
this purpose. I have</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>used something similar =
though. Copy=20
lead vocal track to an</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>adjacent channel, pan each hard =
lft-rt,=20
move the left track a millisecond or</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>even less back in time. The =
vocal=20
should widen without sounding</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>processed. Keep their =
faders equal=20
level. Your ear will naturally hear the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>earlier track (lft) first and =
perceive that=20
it's louder. If you feel that's disconcerting </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>try raising the right =
</FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20
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effectiveness of the=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>process though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Another way to get it to sound =
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is to double</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>compress the track with comps in =
series but=20
only reducing by 2 or 3db each.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sometimes a third comp is needed =
along with=20
level automation. The idea</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>is to not hear pumping but have a =
fairly=20
steady state level to the vocal.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This will allow you to get it to =
ride on top=20
of the mix without jumping out</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to bite you.</FONT></DIV>
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| Re: Lead vox standout, how? [message #62445 is a reply to message #62441] |
Wed, 04 January 2006 19:37 |
RK
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>"RK" <<A=20
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href=3D"mailto:kent510745@hotmail.com">kent510745@hotmail.com</A>>=20
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<DIV>Trying to get lead vocals to jump out of the mix and I =
remember a=20
trick<BR>listed somewhere telling you to copy a vocal track to a =
different track, pan<BR>tracks left and right, then reverse the =
phase on=20
the second track and slowly<BR>bring the fader on the second =
track to=20
meet the other track fader at 0.<BR>Seemed to work, but the =
effects=20
seemed to cancel each other out. Does<BR>anyone use this, =
and if=20
so, how do you get the FX to not whack each =
other<BR>out?<BR><BR><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>RK,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Only apply effects to the =
+phase=20
track.</FONT></DIV>
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------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C61166.41E5E680--Right at a thousand for a Paris III, no mention of software though. I left
a review.
E
"RK" <kent510745@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43bc7d52@linux...
> Can't get to the address. Maybe they sold it! How much did they want for
> it?
>
> Kent
>
> "Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote in message news:43bc5bcf$1@linux...
> >
> > Haven't seen one of these new in a while...
> >
> > http://www.music123.com/Ensoniq-PARIS3-i228172.music
>
>Hello Jim,
Welcome to our neck of the woods. The easiest thing to try is cooling,
open the case and put a fan on high. Test your Paris setup and push it.
It is probably heat and a weak power supply. 450 watts or so should do
the trick.
Regards,
El Miguel
"jim" <jim@redgateguitars.com> wrote in message news:43bbd330@linux...
> Thanks for all the suggestions guys.... I will give a few things a go and
> see what works.. Seems the first thing to try is the cooling... I do have
> the computer in a rack and the ventilation may be inhibited so this will
be
> easy to try....and Rob... the clicks never happen in the same place for me
> either.....always random... I'll check out the ram and native plugs...if
the
> cooling doesn't help. I'm only running one EDS card too. My computer is
> ancient.... I've not touched it as it is reliable but it may be time for
> another....
> Thanks for your input everybody......I'll give it all a try,
>
> BTW I had an interesting glitch on my system...wonder if anyone has had a
> similar experience...Paris started to hang up the computer on loading when
> it got to initialising the effects. I tried everything for a week but
> couldn't work out what was happening....and couldn't load Paris...Must
have
> rebooted the computer 50 times! Well finally worked out that when I
> installed a DVD burner about two weeks previously, the disc that came with
> it updated my Direct X to the latest version without notifying me! All was
> fine for a while so I didn't suspect anything...I picked it up by chance
> after many hours of fiddling with the system. Apparently it is not
possible
> to revert back to another earlier version but when I disabled direct X and
> turned it back on, Paris loaded again!!! Well its happened once again in
the
> last 6 months but now I know what to do ...
>
> Jim.
>
>
> "Rob Arsenault" <mani2@NOSPAMnbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
> news:43b9dbd0$1@linux...
> > Welcome aboard Jim,
> >
> > I was having click/pop problems when I built my last AMD box running 2
EDS
> > cards. I would hear these pops and see these little spikes in the
editor,
> > and even stranger still, I would close the project, reboot the box, go
> > back
> > to the same project and the pops were in different locations. I
installed
> > new 400W pwr supply, re-vamped my cooling setup and still had problems.
> > Turns out, it was bad ram, swapped the ram and pops went
away.....strange
> > but true.
> >
> > Good luck man.
> > Rob_A
> > www.studiomanitou.com
> >
> > "jim" <jim@redgateguitars.com> wrote in message news:43b9bc76$1@linux...
> >> Hi Everybody...My first post to the group... Happy new year... Hey does
> >> anyone have a suggestion for a intermittent clipping sound which
happens
> > on
> >> random empty channels to the right of an operating channel? I know this
> >> sounds weird but the channel can be empty with the fader turned down
and
> >> I
> >> still get a click every few seconds... It still happens with nothing
> > plugged
> >> into the inputs of Paris. I can see the click on the level indicator
> >> onscreen. It can happen on any channel but it is always to the right of
> >> an
> >> operating channel, and usually an unused one. I hear it on playback but
> > more
> >> importantly on my mixdowns as well. I have reloaded the software but as
> > yet
> >> have not managed to track the problem down...
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Jim.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>Thanks, I'll give it a look. . . .
"Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43bc68b0@linux...
> > positive about them. And with PARIS I don't need any extra bugs! : )
>
>
> Ah, Paris... I went with Aaron Allen's long standing recommendation;
> an Asus A7S333. But I haven't tried it with the barton, yet.
>
> ebay
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/Asus-A7S333-SiS745-Socket-A-DDR-MB-Refur bished_W0QQitemZ
> 6835838517QQcategoryZ42012QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewI tem
>
> Regards,
>
> El Miguel
>
>
>
> =====================
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43bc33c8@linux...
> > Thanks for the info. Yes, I know about the tape. I have been using
> Athlons
> > and Durons for some time now. The ECS board I got, K7VTA3, from FRYS
with
> > the Barton 2500+ was really buggy and I was sorta glad to see it
expedited
> > to another dimension. I think the AGP died, but havent tried it with a
> PCI
> > VC. (It was only $69 with the cpu, so didnt feel too cheated.) A
friend
> > who went to work there told me Frys had over an 80% return rate with
ECS
> > (just used as a c'mon to get people in the door), so I don't feel to
> > positive about them. And with PARIS I don't need any extra bugs! : )
> > Not familiar with or seen any reviews of asrock.
> >
> > "Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:43bc1572@linux...
> > > I have an XP 2600 barton core running on an Asrock Ks7xe+.
> > > I've used this rig only a few times since new. The asrocks were
> > > around $50 new.
> > >
> > > I also have used the ECS K7s5a which has held up well. I went
> > > ahead and performed the chipset modification by pulling off a
> > > insulation taped cooling radiator block and glueing it back into
> > > place with a dash of Artic Silver for effect (this was on the
> southbridge
> > > chip and prevented overheating). If you are aware, many of the Athlon
> > > cpu chips are shipped with this adhesive tape between the cooling
block.
> > >
> > > Either of these two mobos are ebay priced reasonable.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > El Miguel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43bc01b3@linux...
> > > > Going to get another MB for my barton core 2500+ cpu. The ECS pile
I
> > had
> > > > finally expired. Have been looking at possibly ASUS ABIT MSI
Shuttle
> > and
> > > > EPOX. I can get a new feature loaded EPOX 8RDA3+ pretty reasonable
or
> > > look
> > > > for the others used on ebay - prices in $70 range. Also can pick up
a
> > new
> > > > nVidia FX5200 dual head video card cheap, or a MM G450 real cheap.
> The
> > > > nVidia chipset boards have a little better performance, and I've had
> > good
> > > > luck with their video cards. Any tips on what works well or not
with
> > > > PARIS?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>Yup, down cold! Now, on to that auto edit window. . .
E
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43bc634c@linux...
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| Re: Lead vox standout, how? [message #62620 is a reply to message #62489] |
Sat, 07 January 2006 08:24 |
RK
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I agree, very cool, thanks for the tip.
Kent (RK)
"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:43bd28c8@linux...
> Don, that last bit about using mono was a very helpful tip. I've run
across
> alot of 'em, but never that one. Thanks!
> MR
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:43bc8f14$1@linux...
> > Another imprtant point is the frequencies around the vocalist...if there
> are
> > a couple of instruments in the same range the vocals will be fighting to
> be
> > heard...make sure there is somewhat of ahole around the vocals so that
> they
> > fill that void or hole all by themselves.
> >
> > A quick trick is to throw the mix in mono and see what you hear...if the
> > guitar or piano is interfering, try a new level or re-EQ the offending
> > instrument so it backs off enough to give the vocals their space.
> >
> > Doubling or tripling work (with appropriate time delay)...adding a
chorus
> to
> > the third can help...compressing a copy of the vox track and blending to
> > taste might work..and the above suggestion will work
> >
> > YMMV
> >
> > Don
> >
> > "RK" <kent510745@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43bc7a43@linux...
> > > Trying to get lead vocals to jump out of the mix and I remember a
trick
> > > listed somewhere telling you to copy a vocal track to a different
track,
> > > pan
> > > tracks left and right, then reverse the phase on the second track and
> > > slowly
> > > bring the fader on the second track to meet the other track fader at
0.
> > > Seemed to work, but the effects seemed to cancel each other out. Does
> > > anyone use this, and if so, how do you get the FX to not whack each
> other
> > > out?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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