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| Re: Hardware or soft synths-What do you use more of these days? [message #62538 is a reply to message #62537] |
Thu, 05 January 2006 19:52   |
Pete Ruthenburg
Messages: 127
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Hey Deej,good point about reality vs. synthesis.Hadn't thought of
it that way,but I'm probably thinking more reality vibe.
Yeah,I played an Oasys the other day.Nice board,but 8k I don't
think so;)
Pete
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>If you're looking for reality instead of synthesis, go soft all the way.
Get
>you a good controller and build yourself a moose of a comp to stream samples
>or if you need portability get the thingie that plays them out of a box
>(forget the name)....or you could drop $8k and get yourself a Korg Oasys.
>
>;o)
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>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:43bdc14e$1@linux...
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>> So I'm looking to get a new synth in here.Pretty slim synth
>> collection-Kurz PC2X and 2500 rack,D50.I'm looking at the Yamaha
>> motifs,but a buddy was telling me I should go soft synth.I'm not
>> currently running DAW with audio/midi and was thinking of getting
>> into the SX thing.
>> I haven't gotten into the soft synth thing at all so I'm a
>> little hesitant having to go the new dedicated comp,software,vsti
>> route compared to a hardware synth I can turn on and make noise
>> with.
>> However,I can see the benefit of going that route with software
>> that will continually be updated as opposed to a hard synth that
>> will be worth whatever in a couple of years.
>>
>> Any advice appreciated,
>> Pete
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| Re: Hardware or soft synths-What do you use more of these days? [message #62542 is a reply to message #62538] |
Thu, 05 January 2006 20:38 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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I understand the vibe vs reality thing. I just loaded Garritan Personal
Orchestra. It's pretty nice and it's sample based. I've got a buddy here in
town that is using the synful Orchestra. It's systhesis based but the way it
goes about it is extremely pleasing to the ear and actually seems a bit more
realistic to me than the GPO..........the Synful orchestra sounds very
retro, but in a very good way. If you're looking for piano though, it's
gotta be Ivory and that as VSTi.
Do you need portable rig? That's another consideration. I decided to go with
a totally sample/VSTi based setup here right before the first of the year.
Right now I'm using an MAudio Keystation 88 with the following VSTi's
BFD-BFD XFL
Jamstix
Groove Agent II
Halion Player 3.1
Ivory
Garritan Personal Orchestra (haven't yet decided if this is a keeper)
Native Instruments B4 II (hasn't showed up yet but I've heard the B4 vI and
I'm smitten with the NI implementation of the B# organ so I'm expecting to
be happy with this)
I'm counting on these, along with Jammer v6 for roughing out song ideas and
Cubase SX for finishing them out and my Paris rig to provide what I need
here for a pretty well fleshed out audio production capability. This next
year is looking like it's going to be getting a bit more complex than the
acoustic/singer/songwriter/bluegrass based stuff I've been doing for the
last few years.....plus, mu muse is tweaked and I want to start composing
music again. It's been a long time since I've written anything and I always
enjoyed producing (according to my wife...I enjoy it a little too much and
need to simplify.......simplify....??????.....me????
;o)
"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:43bddb75$1@linux...
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> Hey Deej,good point about reality vs. synthesis.Hadn't thought of
> it that way,but I'm probably thinking more reality vibe.
> Yeah,I played an Oasys the other day.Nice board,but 8k I don't
> think so;)
>
> Pete
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >If you're looking for reality instead of synthesis, go soft all the way.
> Get
> >you a good controller and build yourself a moose of a comp to stream
samples
> >or if you need portability get the thingie that plays them out of a box
> >(forget the name)....or you could drop $8k and get yourself a Korg Oasys.
> >
> >;o)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >news:43bdc14e$1@linux...
> >>
> >> So I'm looking to get a new synth in here.Pretty slim synth
> >> collection-Kurz PC2X and 2500 rack,D50.I'm looking at the Yamaha
> >> motifs,but a buddy was telling me I should go soft synth.I'm not
> >> currently running DAW with audio/midi and was thinking of getting
> >> into the SX thing.
> >> I haven't gotten into the soft synth thing at all so I'm a
> >> little hesitant having to go the new dedicated comp,software,vsti
> >> route compared to a hardware synth I can turn on and make noise
> >> with.
> >> However,I can see the benefit of going that route with software
> >> that will continually be updated as opposed to a hard synth that
> >> will be worth whatever in a couple of years.
> >>
> >> Any advice appreciated,
> >> Pete
> >
> >
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| Re: Hardware or soft synths-What do you use more of these days? [message #62571 is a reply to message #62554] |
Fri, 06 January 2006 08:21 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Also, if you're looking for synthy synths check into Operator from Ableton,
it's a FM synth that (for FM) is actually pretty easy to use. The Spectrum
is partially an additive synth which is something I've never been able to
get my head around but maybe y'all can.
TCB
"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote:
>Pete,
>Have a look at the new softsynth from www.kjaerhusaudio.com You can try
it
>out before buying. I've heard on the mp3's on the site and I must say it
>sounded great for the money.
>
>Erling
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>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> skrev i melding
>news:43bdc14e$1@linux...
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>> So I'm looking to get a new synth in here.Pretty slim synth
>> collection-Kurz PC2X and 2500 rack,D50.I'm looking at the Yamaha
>> motifs,but a buddy was telling me I should go soft synth.I'm not
>> currently running DAW with audio/midi and was thinking of getting
>> into the SX thing.
>> I haven't gotten into the soft synth thing at all so I'm a
>> little hesitant having to go the new dedicated comp,software,vsti
>> route compared to a hardware synth I can turn on and make noise
>> with.
>> However,I can see the benefit of going that route with software
>> that will continually be updated as opposed to a hard synth that
>> will be worth whatever in a couple of years.
>>
>> Any advice appreciated,
>> Pete
>
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| Re: Hardware or soft synths-What do you use more of these days? [message #62572 is a reply to message #62569] |
Fri, 06 January 2006 08:29 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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I have to tell you that it's more 60/40 these day for me. Now that I built
myselt a Dedicated VSTi & Giga Machine (PC), powering up my keyboard racks
is becoming less less.
Last year I sysytematicaly set out to replace all of modlus and import stock(meat
& Potatoes) sounds that can get me thru a modern production.
When Spectrasonics updated Stylus to RMX & Battery/Acid, I know long have
to use my MPC for sounds, but only as a seqencer.
Here the replacement list:
For Rhodes: Native Instruments : Electick Piano, Scrarbee Rhodes
For Real Grand Pianos: Giga Pianos,Soon Ivory
For Synth Bass : Trilogy, Auturia Mini Moog
Pads : Atmosphere,FM7, Albino(!!!),Wavestation
Analogy Synths : Pro 53, Atmosphere,Korg poly 6,Moog,
CS- 80,Arp 2600
Organs: NI's B4..
Real Strings : Garritan Giga Strings,Sonic Implants,Kirk Hunter
Real Drum Sim: BFD, Battery..
i just em up in V-Stack, boom..remembers each song setups..
If I do use hardware, it's only becuase I just a particualr sound that I
have found yet in the vast vsti library. Also, I have a "ganked out" Kurweil
K2500XS, That's my Baby. It's has a sound quality second to none!! I have
Gigs of internal and external sound in it that just gets the job done..
So, there you have it.
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>At this point I'm waiting for someone to give me even one solid reason to
>use hardware synths other than familiarity.
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>TCB
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>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>> So I'm looking to get a new synth in here.Pretty slim synth
>>collection-Kurz PC2X and 2500 rack,D50.I'm looking at the Yamaha
>>motifs,but a buddy was telling me I should go soft synth.I'm not
>>currently running DAW with audio/midi and was thinking of getting
>>into the SX thing.
>> I haven't gotten into the soft synth thing at all so I'm a
>>little hesitant having to go the new dedicated comp,software,vsti
>>route compared to a hardware synth I can turn on and make noise
>>with.
>> However,I can see the benefit of going that route with software
>>that will continually be updated as opposed to a hard synth that
>>will be worth whatever in a couple of years.
>>
>>Any advice appreciated,
>>Pete
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| Re: Hardware or soft synths-What do you use more of these days? [message #62573 is a reply to message #62572] |
Fri, 06 January 2006 08:31 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Oh Yeah.. I almost forgot to mention NI's Absynth (2 & 3)..If your are into
post , commericals or scoring, this baby will get you there..
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
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>I have to tell you that it's more 60/40 these day for me. Now that I built
>myselt a Dedicated VSTi & Giga Machine (PC), powering up my keyboard racks
>is becoming less less.
>
>Last year I sysytematicaly set out to replace all of modlus and import stock(meat
>& Potatoes) sounds that can get me thru a modern production.
>When Spectrasonics updated Stylus to RMX & Battery/Acid, I know long have
>to use my MPC for sounds, but only as a seqencer.
>Here the replacement list:
>
>For Rhodes: Native Instruments : Electick Piano, Scrarbee Rhodes
>
>For Real Grand Pianos: Giga Pianos,Soon Ivory
>For Synth Bass : Trilogy, Auturia Mini Moog
>Pads : Atmosphere,FM7, Albino(!!!),Wavestation
>Analogy Synths : Pro 53, Atmosphere,Korg poly 6,Moog,
> CS- 80,Arp 2600
>Organs: NI's B4..
>Real Strings : Garritan Giga Strings,Sonic Implants,Kirk Hunter
>
>Real Drum Sim: BFD, Battery..
>i just em up in V-Stack, boom..remembers each song setups..
>
>If I do use hardware, it's only becuase I just a particualr sound that I
>have found yet in the vast vsti library. Also, I have a "ganked out" Kurweil
>K2500XS, That's my Baby. It's has a sound quality second to none!! I have
>Gigs of internal and external sound in it that just gets the job done..
>So, there you have it.
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>At this point I'm waiting for someone to give me even one solid reason
to
>>use hardware synths other than familiarity.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> So I'm looking to get a new synth in here.Pretty slim synth
>>>collection-Kurz PC2X and 2500 rack,D50.I'm looking at the Yamaha
>>>motifs,but a buddy was telling me I should go soft synth.I'm not
>>>currently running DAW with audio/midi and was thinking of getting
>>>into the SX thing.
>>> I haven't gotten into the soft synth thing at all so I'm a
>>>little hesitant having to go the new dedicated comp,software,vsti
>>>route compared to a hardware synth I can turn on and make noise
>>>with.
>>> However,I can see the benefit of going that route with software
>>>that will continually be updated as opposed to a hard synth that
>>>will be worth whatever in a couple of years.
>>>
>>>Any advice appreciated,
>>>Pete
>>
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| Re: Hardware or soft synths-What do you use more of these days? [message #62575 is a reply to message #62572] |
Fri, 06 January 2006 09:05 |
gene lennon
Messages: 565
Registered: July 2006
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"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
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>I have to tell you that it's more 60/40 these day for me. Now that I built
>myselt a Dedicated VSTi & Giga Machine (PC), powering up my keyboard racks
>is becoming less less.
>
>Last year I sysytematicaly set out to replace all of modlus and import stock(meat
>& Potatoes) sounds that can get me thru a modern production.
>When Spectrasonics updated Stylus to RMX & Battery/Acid, I know long have
>to use my MPC for sounds, but only as a seqencer.
>Here the replacement list:
>
>For Rhodes: Native Instruments : Electick Piano, Scrarbee Rhodes
>
>For Real Grand Pianos: Giga Pianos,Soon Ivory
>For Synth Bass : Trilogy, Auturia Mini Moog
>Pads : Atmosphere,FM7, Albino(!!!),Wavestation
>Analogy Synths : Pro 53, Atmosphere,Korg poly 6,Moog,
> CS- 80,Arp 2600
>Organs: NI's B4..
>Real Strings : Garritan Giga Strings,Sonic Implants,Kirk Hunter
>
>Real Drum Sim: BFD, Battery..
This is a good list. Some additions by category:
“Unique Percussion” –
Culture
RA
Stormdrum
“ROMPLER type softsynth” – Cakewalk Dimension Pro.
“Strings” EWQL Gold or several of the high-end GigaStudio libraries.
“Ultra-Modern Sounding Synth” – Sculpture (comes in Logic 7).
“Something New” - LinPlug Octopus (like FM7 with filters and unique programming)
“Real Drums” – Larry Seyer for Giga.
Gene
I still like my Korg Oasys PCI synth – not really hardware – not really software
– What is it?
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| Re: Hardware or soft synths-What do you use more of these days? [message #62581 is a reply to message #62569] |
Fri, 06 January 2006 10:17 |
steve the artguy
Messages: 308
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"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>At this point I'm waiting for someone to give me even one solid reason to
>use hardware synths other than familiarity.
>
>TCB
ok, Thad, here's one.,
I have yet to take anything small to a gig (mixer, rompler module, etc) which
I put carefully on top of my keyboard thingies, which hasn't gotten knocked
off and onto the ground. Whether it's the drunks in the audience or careless
band members or my own stupid self, it seems to happen to every one of them.
I'd hate to have that happen with a laptop. Crunch!
That, and I'm the only one in the known universe at this point without a
laptop...or a cell phone...or a pda... or a gps... or...an automated loom....
-steve the luddite
-steve
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>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>> So I'm looking to get a new synth in here.Pretty slim synth
>>collection-Kurz PC2X and 2500 rack,D50.I'm looking at the Yamaha
>>motifs,but a buddy was telling me I should go soft synth.I'm not
>>currently running DAW with audio/midi and was thinking of getting
>>into the SX thing.
>> I haven't gotten into the soft synth thing at all so I'm a
>>little hesitant having to go the new dedicated comp,software,vsti
>>route compared to a hardware synth I can turn on and make noise
>>with.
>> However,I can see the benefit of going that route with software
>>that will continually be updated as opposed to a hard synth that
>>will be worth whatever in a couple of years.
>>
>>Any advice appreciated,
>>Pete
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| Re: Hardware or soft synths-What do you use more of these days? [message #62590 is a reply to message #62581] |
Fri, 06 January 2006 11:36 |
TCB
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A valid point, the playing live part, but if someone spills beer on your $3k
Motif you're out more than if the same guy spills beer in your $600 Dell
laptop. I DJ with a laptop fairly often and it's worth less than all but
two of my guitras, all of my amps. Actually, my Moog delay and Fulltone wah
have a significantly higher replacement cost than my laptop.
TCB
"steve the artguy" <artguy@svnsillyme.net> wrote:
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>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>At this point I'm waiting for someone to give me even one solid reason
to
>>use hardware synths other than familiarity.
>>
>>TCB
>
>
>ok, Thad, here's one.,
>
>I have yet to take anything small to a gig (mixer, rompler module, etc)
which
>I put carefully on top of my keyboard thingies, which hasn't gotten knocked
>off and onto the ground. Whether it's the drunks in the audience or careless
>band members or my own stupid self, it seems to happen to every one of them.
>I'd hate to have that happen with a laptop. Crunch!
>
>That, and I'm the only one in the known universe at this point without a
>laptop...or a cell phone...or a pda... or a gps... or...an automated loom....
>
>
>-steve the luddite
>
>-steve
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>>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> So I'm looking to get a new synth in here.Pretty slim synth
>>>collection-Kurz PC2X and 2500 rack,D50.I'm looking at the Yamaha
>>>motifs,but a buddy was telling me I should go soft synth.I'm not
>>>currently running DAW with audio/midi and was thinking of getting
>>>into the SX thing.
>>> I haven't gotten into the soft synth thing at all so I'm a
>>>little hesitant having to go the new dedicated comp,software,vsti
>>>route compared to a hardware synth I can turn on and make noise
>>>with.
>>> However,I can see the benefit of going that route with software
>>>that will continually be updated as opposed to a hard synth that
>>>will be worth whatever in a couple of years.
>>>
>>>Any advice appreciated,
>>>Pete
>>
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| Re: Hardware or soft synths-What do you use more of these days? [message #62610 is a reply to message #62590] |
Fri, 06 January 2006 20:33 |
steve the artguy
Messages: 308
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Thad, you are of course right.
I can't get used to the concept of "cheap laptops." Odd, since I'm quite
conversant with the concept of "cheap everything else."
the equipment I used on my new year's gig cost me... hmm... about $250...with
cables, let's say $300...
-steve
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>A valid point, the playing live part, but if someone spills beer on your
$3k
>Motif you're out more than if the same guy spills beer in your $600 Dell
>laptop. I DJ with a laptop fairly often and it's worth less than all but
>two of my guitras, all of my amps. Actually, my Moog delay and Fulltone
wah
>have a significantly higher replacement cost than my laptop.
>
>TCB
>
>"steve the artguy" <artguy@svnsillyme.net> wrote:
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>At this point I'm waiting for someone to give me even one solid reason
>to
>>>use hardware synths other than familiarity.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>
>>
>>ok, Thad, here's one.,
>>
>>I have yet to take anything small to a gig (mixer, rompler module, etc)
>which
>>I put carefully on top of my keyboard thingies, which hasn't gotten knocked
>>off and onto the ground. Whether it's the drunks in the audience or careless
>>band members or my own stupid self, it seems to happen to every one of
them.
>>I'd hate to have that happen with a laptop. Crunch!
>>
>>That, and I'm the only one in the known universe at this point without
a
>>laptop...or a cell phone...or a pda... or a gps... or...an automated loom....
>>
>>
>>-steve the luddite
>>
>>-steve
>>>
>>>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So I'm looking to get a new synth in here.Pretty slim synth
>>>>collection-Kurz PC2X and 2500 rack,D50.I'm looking at the Yamaha
>>>>motifs,but a buddy was telling me I should go soft synth.I'm not
>>>>currently running DAW with audio/midi and was thinking of getting
>>>>into the SX thing.
>>>> I haven't gotten into the soft synth thing at all so I'm a
>>>>little hesitant having to go the new dedicated comp,software,vsti
>>>>route compared to a hardware synth I can turn on and make noise
>>>>with.
>>>> However,I can see the benefit of going that route with software
>>>>that will continually be updated as opposed to a hard synth that
>>>>will be worth whatever in a couple of years.
>>>>
>>>>Any advice appreciated,
>>>>Pete
>>>
>>
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| Re: Hardware or soft synths-What do you use more of these days? [message #62611 is a reply to message #62581] |
Fri, 06 January 2006 21:47 |
Chris Wargo
Messages: 45
Registered: November 2005
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>>At this point I'm waiting for someone to give me even one solid reason
to
>>use hardware synths other than familiarity.
>>
>>TCB
I'll give you another, but probabably not one that applies to you. I've
been tossing around the idea of getting a nice synth workstation. I'm not
really a keyboardist and don't do much electronic music. I have a few soft
synths, some freebies/built-ins and some that I bought. I also have Emulator-X
and an Oasys card. It's all quite a pain in the ass to manage when I need
to put a keyboard part down. I'm not intimate with all these synths, so
I waste a lot of time hunting around for what I want, often not finding it.
Having a workstation with a large soundbank would alow me to just scroll
through sounds until something sparked my creative funny bone. My Oasys
is the antithesis of this approach. You really need to know what you are
looking for. Hardware synths also give the ability to just turn on a synth
in less than a second and just start playing. Sometimes this is very valuable
too. And finally, when I need to upgrade my computer to run "Hungry Reverb
4.0 (tm)", I don't need to rebuild my arsenal of synths, and a trusty old
Kurzweil 2500 doesn't care when you migrate to a new OS on your computer.
Hardware synths, good for midiots ;-)
-Chris
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