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| Re: OK...........now I'm gonna have to learn to program midi [message #65423 is a reply to message #65421] |
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Deej [1]
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Thanks Lance. I've got a line on a Lexicon MRC. This looks like a good
generic controller. I've also got the midi implementation charts for my V77
and MU-R201 and the MRC has 2 x midi I/O and so can likely control both
units.
Once I get my hands on a controller, I'll get my implementation charts
together and get back to you.
Using a hadrware fader controller really appeals to me but actually, from
what you're saying, it sounds like I could just interface these modules
directly to the midi I/O of one of my RME HDSP 9652 interfaces and use
Cubase SX to control them..........correct?
Many thanks,
Deej
"Lance Reichert" <lance.rocks@nospam.verizon.net> wrote in message
news:4418bca3@linux...
> Hey DJ,
>
> You may know this but the first thing you need is the MIDI implementation
> chart for
> the units you want to "control". From there you could do some
"controlling"
> from a
> sequencing program. Master Tracks pro is good for this stuff.
>
> I was a major midi guru/freak in the 80's and early 90's. The height of
any
> real interest
> in interfacing. After the multi-timbral modules and workstations came out,
> the simplified user interfaces
> took over and the MIDI programming went into the background.
>
> If I can be of any more assistance. Shoot me a note on my private email,
> and I'll send you my #
>
>
> l a n c e @ q b d i g i t a l . com
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:4418b7c6@linux...
> > I've been dreading this for years, but it's becoming necessary. I hate
> midi.
> > Midi is evil. Just a bunch of random numbers which were created to do
harm
> > to my brain............and it seems personal.......directed towards me
and
> > no one else. I'd rather be dragged bareassed by a wild horse through a
> > cactus patch, but alas.......the time has come.
> >
> > The first thing I need to do is to figure out how to control my old Sony
> > MU-R201 and V77 FX processors with midi controllers. They have midi I/O
> > ports. Anyone out there a midi guru? Anyone out there suggest any
hardware
> > midi controllers to do this? Anyone out there willing to have a phone
> > conversation with me and explain how to program midi?
> >
> > My Alesis Wedge units (theoretically) function like Lexicon MRC's. It's
> > possible to patch them into midi channels in Cubase and use them to
> control
> > the Wedges. I wonder if the Lexi MRC would control the Sony MU-R201 and
> V77
> > units? It sure would be nice to be able to automate these FX units.
> >
> > Your humble correspondent in the wilds of Colorado.............
> >
> > ;o)
> >
> >
>
>
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| Re: OK...........now I'm gonna have to learn to program midi [message #65425 is a reply to message #65423] |
Wed, 15 March 2006 17:57 |
Lance Reichert
Messages: 39
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That sounds right Dj. With a software sequencer you can view the event
editor (after you record the data)
and see exactly what you're sending to the slaved device. On Master tracks
pro, the volume slider can be set to
any midi controller number like reverb level. Then assign the track output
to a midi channel,
adjust the slider and you should get a responce from the slaved unit. You
may need program material running through the processors to be sure though.
A midi indicator light on the slave unit would be very helpful too..
I'll tell ya anything I know about midi.
Lance
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:4418bf6f$1@linux...
> Thanks Lance. I've got a line on a Lexicon MRC. This looks like a good
> generic controller. I've also got the midi implementation charts for my
V77
> and MU-R201 and the MRC has 2 x midi I/O and so can likely control both
> units.
>
> Once I get my hands on a controller, I'll get my implementation charts
> together and get back to you.
>
> Using a hadrware fader controller really appeals to me but actually, from
> what you're saying, it sounds like I could just interface these modules
> directly to the midi I/O of one of my RME HDSP 9652 interfaces and use
> Cubase SX to control them..........correct?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Deej
>
>
>
> "Lance Reichert" <lance.rocks@nospam.verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:4418bca3@linux...
> > Hey DJ,
> >
> > You may know this but the first thing you need is the MIDI
implementation
> > chart for
> > the units you want to "control". From there you could do some
> "controlling"
> > from a
> > sequencing program. Master Tracks pro is good for this stuff.
> >
> > I was a major midi guru/freak in the 80's and early 90's. The height of
> any
> > real interest
> > in interfacing. After the multi-timbral modules and workstations came
out,
> > the simplified user interfaces
> > took over and the MIDI programming went into the background.
> >
> > If I can be of any more assistance. Shoot me a note on my private email,
> > and I'll send you my #
> >
> >
> > l a n c e @ q b d i g i t a l . com
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > news:4418b7c6@linux...
> > > I've been dreading this for years, but it's becoming necessary. I hate
> > midi.
> > > Midi is evil. Just a bunch of random numbers which were created to do
> harm
> > > to my brain............and it seems personal.......directed towards me
> and
> > > no one else. I'd rather be dragged bareassed by a wild horse through
a
> > > cactus patch, but alas.......the time has come.
> > >
> > > The first thing I need to do is to figure out how to control my old
Sony
> > > MU-R201 and V77 FX processors with midi controllers. They have midi
I/O
> > > ports. Anyone out there a midi guru? Anyone out there suggest any
> hardware
> > > midi controllers to do this? Anyone out there willing to have a phone
> > > conversation with me and explain how to program midi?
> > >
> > > My Alesis Wedge units (theoretically) function like Lexicon MRC's.
It's
> > > possible to patch them into midi channels in Cubase and use them to
> > control
> > > the Wedges. I wonder if the Lexi MRC would control the Sony MU-R201
and
> > V77
> > > units? It sure would be nice to be able to automate these FX units.
> > >
> > > Your humble correspondent in the wilds of Colorado.............
> > >
> > > ;o)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Re: OK...........now I'm gonna have to learn to program midi [message #65432 is a reply to message #65423] |
Wed, 15 March 2006 20:42 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
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One of the cool things I used to like about Cubase (V1.8 for MAC) is
that you could create "mixer maps". I haven't checked to see if this
is still there, but I doubt it is... You could place sliders, knobs,
buttons etc on the screen and edit which perimeters they would
control. I got really good at programming sysex stuff for outboard
control... in the day... I don't think I could remember any of that
stuff if I tried seeing as the last time I did any of that was about '90!
David.
DJ wrote:
> Thanks Lance. I've got a line on a Lexicon MRC. This looks like a good
> generic controller. I've also got the midi implementation charts for my V77
> and MU-R201 and the MRC has 2 x midi I/O and so can likely control both
> units.
>
> Once I get my hands on a controller, I'll get my implementation charts
> together and get back to you.
>
> Using a hadrware fader controller really appeals to me but actually, from
> what you're saying, it sounds like I could just interface these modules
> directly to the midi I/O of one of my RME HDSP 9652 interfaces and use
> Cubase SX to control them..........correct?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Deej
>
>
>
> "Lance Reichert" <lance.rocks@nospam.verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:4418bca3@linux...
>
>>Hey DJ,
>>
>>You may know this but the first thing you need is the MIDI implementation
>>chart for
>>the units you want to "control". From there you could do some
>
> "controlling"
>
>>from a
>>sequencing program. Master Tracks pro is good for this stuff.
>>
>>I was a major midi guru/freak in the 80's and early 90's. The height of
>
> any
>
>>real interest
>>in interfacing. After the multi-timbral modules and workstations came out,
>>the simplified user interfaces
>>took over and the MIDI programming went into the background.
>>
>>If I can be of any more assistance. Shoot me a note on my private email,
>>and I'll send you my #
>>
>>
>>l a n c e @ q b d i g i t a l . com
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>news:4418b7c6@linux...
>>
>>>I've been dreading this for years, but it's becoming necessary. I hate
>>
>>midi.
>>
>>>Midi is evil. Just a bunch of random numbers which were created to do
>
> harm
>
>>>to my brain............and it seems personal.......directed towards me
>
> and
>
>>>no one else. I'd rather be dragged bareassed by a wild horse through a
>>>cactus patch, but alas.......the time has come.
>>>
>>>The first thing I need to do is to figure out how to control my old Sony
>>>MU-R201 and V77 FX processors with midi controllers. They have midi I/O
>>>ports. Anyone out there a midi guru? Anyone out there suggest any
>
> hardware
>
>>>midi controllers to do this? Anyone out there willing to have a phone
>>>conversation with me and explain how to program midi?
>>>
>>>My Alesis Wedge units (theoretically) function like Lexicon MRC's. It's
>>>possible to patch them into midi channels in Cubase and use them to
>>
>>control
>>
>>>the Wedges. I wonder if the Lexi MRC would control the Sony MU-R201 and
>>
>>V77
>>
>>>units? It sure would be nice to be able to automate these FX units.
>>>
>>>Your humble correspondent in the wilds of Colorado.............
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: OK...........now I'm gonna have to learn to program midi [message #65433 is a reply to message #65424] |
Wed, 15 March 2006 21:52 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
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Deej, honestly, it's almost not worth it to use MIDI
programming for EFX like you're describing... you're better off
automating plugin's, IMO... the flexibility is greater, and the
quality of the sound is better. If you need to automate stuff
in MIDI, you might find you're better off sticking with things
like velocity, modulation, etc.
Neil
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Thanks Chris. I guess I could actually *read* some stuff (God forbid ;o).
>
>I understand about what you're saying with *coarse* midi control. I've
>experienced *zippering* in the past. Just having access to the parameters
to
>create new presets without jacking around with squinting at the small screen
>displays of the unit in a rack would be nice. What I have in mind to do
is
>create presets for positional delays and reverb presets with certain
>predelay characteristics in order to create certain soundstage scenarios
>that I can easily access when mixing..
>
>Deej
>
>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>news:4418bf5a$1@linux...
>> Hey DJ,
>> I know how much you hate to read.
>>
>> How MIDI works by Peter Alexander is one best all around books on the
>> subject especially hardware MIDI info.
>>
>> Most of the MIDI control on these old units involves changing presets
>> and such. Some allow effect changes but I found on some of the old ones
>> the low MIDI resolution will cause a stepping sound when changing
>> parameters.
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>> > I've been dreading this for years, but it's becoming necessary. I hate
>midi.
>> > Midi is evil. Just a bunch of random numbers which were created to do
>harm
>> > to my brain............and it seems personal.......directed towards
me
>and
>> > no one else. I'd rather be dragged bareassed by a wild horse through
a
>> > cactus patch, but alas.......the time has come.
>> >
>> > The first thing I need to do is to figure out how to control my old
Sony
>> > MU-R201 and V77 FX processors with midi controllers. They have midi
I/O
>> > ports. Anyone out there a midi guru? Anyone out there suggest any
>hardware
>> > midi controllers to do this? Anyone out there willing to have a phone
>> > conversation with me and explain how to program midi?
>> >
>> > My Alesis Wedge units (theoretically) function like Lexicon MRC's. It's
>> > possible to patch them into midi channels in Cubase and use them to
>control
>> > the Wedges. I wonder if the Lexi MRC would control the Sony MU-R201
and
>V77
>> > units? It sure would be nice to be able to automate these FX units.
>> >
>> > Your humble correspondent in the wilds of Colorado.............
>> >
>> > ;o)
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>
>
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| Re: OK...........now I'm gonna have to learn to program midi [message #65434 is a reply to message #65419] |
Wed, 15 March 2006 21:14 |
Tom Bruhl
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DJ,
My humble opinion would be to spend a week with different sources =
feeding these
fine hardware units. Use Kk (brite-dark), Snr (brite & dark), Ovrhd, =
Male vcl, female vcl,=20
acstc gtr, e. gtr, fiddle... Setup and store a boatload of well named =
patches that work for
you and just scroll through them when you need them in the real world. =
A few quick
edits like predelay, room size and reverb time are all that is usually =
needed to=20
tailor a good patch. You could even store a variety of those short, =
medium, long versions
of each type. It's like setting up your macros. =20
It's a lot of work at first but it will never be needed to be done =
again.
Tom
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:4418b7c6@linux...
I've been dreading this for years, but it's becoming necessary. I hate =
midi.
Midi is evil. Just a bunch of random numbers which were created to do =
harm
to my brain............and it seems personal.......directed towards me =
and
no one else. I'd rather be dragged bareassed by a wild horse through =
a
cactus patch, but alas.......the time has come.
The first thing I need to do is to figure out how to control my old =
Sony
MU-R201 and V77 FX processors with midi controllers. They have midi =
I/O
ports. Anyone out there a midi guru? Anyone out there suggest any =
hardware
midi controllers to do this? Anyone out there willing to have a phone
conversation with me and explain how to program midi?
My Alesis Wedge units (theoretically) function like Lexicon MRC's. =
It's
possible to patch them into midi channels in Cubase and use them to =
control
the Wedges. I wonder if the Lexi MRC would control the Sony MU-R201 =
and V77
units? It sure would be nice to be able to automate these FX units.
Your humble correspondent in the wilds of Colorado.............
;o)
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>DJ,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>fine hardware units. Use Kk =
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face=3DArial size=3D2>Setup and store a boatload of well named patches =
that work=20
for</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>you and just scroll through them when =
you need them=20
in the real world. A few quick</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>edits like predelay, room size and =
reverb time are=20
all that is usually needed to </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>tailor a good patch. You could =
even store a=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's a lot of work at first but it will =
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| Re: OK...........now I'm gonna have to learn to program midi [message #65437 is a reply to message #65434] |
Wed, 15 March 2006 21:18 |
Tom Bruhl
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DJ,
Oh, and send a midi bulk dump via sysex to Cubase when your done.
If the batteries ever go in those bad boys you'll be able to load in =
your
favorite presets after you change the rotten thing.
Tom
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:4418f55c@linux...
DJ,
My humble opinion would be to spend a week with different sources =
feeding these
fine hardware units. Use Kk (brite-dark), Snr (brite & dark), Ovrhd, =
Male vcl, female vcl,=20
acstc gtr, e. gtr, fiddle... Setup and store a boatload of well named =
patches that work for
you and just scroll through them when you need them in the real world. =
A few quick
edits like predelay, room size and reverb time are all that is usually =
needed to=20
tailor a good patch. You could even store a variety of those short, =
medium, long versions
of each type. It's like setting up your macros. =20
It's a lot of work at first but it will never be needed to be done =
again.
Tom
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:4418b7c6@linux...
I've been dreading this for years, but it's becoming necessary. I =
hate midi.
Midi is evil. Just a bunch of random numbers which were created to =
do harm
to my brain............and it seems personal.......directed towards =
me and
no one else. I'd rather be dragged bareassed by a wild horse =
through a
cactus patch, but alas.......the time has come.
The first thing I need to do is to figure out how to control my old =
Sony
MU-R201 and V77 FX processors with midi controllers. They have midi =
I/O
ports. Anyone out there a midi guru? Anyone out there suggest any =
hardware
midi controllers to do this? Anyone out there willing to have a =
phone
conversation with me and explain how to program midi?
My Alesis Wedge units (theoretically) function like Lexicon MRC's. =
It's
possible to patch them into midi channels in Cubase and use them to =
control
the Wedges. I wonder if the Lexi MRC would control the Sony MU-R201 =
and V77
units? It sure would be nice to be able to automate these FX units.
Your humble correspondent in the wilds of Colorado.............
;o)
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>DJ,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Oh, and send a midi bulk dump via sysex =
to Cubase=20
when your done.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If the batteries ever go in those bad =
boys you'll=20
be able to load in your</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>favorite presets after you change =
the rotten=20
thing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>DJ,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My humble opinion would be to spend a =
week with=20
different sources feeding these</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>fine hardware units. Use Kk =
(brite-dark),=20
Snr (brite & dark), Ovrhd, Male vcl, female vcl, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>acstc gtr, e. gtr, fiddle... =
</FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>Setup and store a boatload of well named patches =
that work=20
for</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>you and just scroll through them when =
you need=20
them in the real world. A few quick</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>edits like predelay, room size and =
reverb time=20
are all that is usually needed to </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>tailor a good patch. You could =
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| Re: OK...........now I'm gonna have to learn to program midi [message #65438 is a reply to message #65433] |
Wed, 15 March 2006 21:27 |
Deej [1]
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I see what you're talking about and I guess I could automate the aux sends
and panning in Paris. What I'm really looking to do here is have a way to
easily program and save presets on my rack modules. All send FX in my mix
setup are being done in Paris, not Cubase SX.
For example, let's say I want to create a stage 60' across and position 5
performers within 50' of that 60' width. On my furthest stage left
performer, this leaves 10' of air between the performer and the left side
of the stage and 40' of air between the performer and the opposite wall at
stage right. I pan the performer to the proper position (25' left of stage
center), then set him up on two mono delays, one of which is panned left
the short distance to the closest wall with a 10ms delay, the other being
panned stage right to the farthest wall with a 40ms delay. This get's me a
positional fix L/R. Now also, if I decide I want to further position him
toward the front or rear of the stage, I'll need to use a reverb with a
certain predelay, depending on the depth of the room I have created. This is
a PITA to do on a 19" rack processor with a tiny little LCD. I'm looking
foir a faster way to program what I need and then save it as a tweakable
preset so I've got a group of recallable settings for say, a 80' wide stage
with 6 players spread across 70' of that stage,. a smaller, more intimate
40' wide stage with the players at varying positions. I can see myself
putting together about 5 or 6 different possible soundstaging scenarios. I
want to be able to tweak these quickly and then save them on a *per song*
basis to each project.
I doubt I'll be doing much *real time* changing of the controller values
during mixing, but you never know. I can see needing to crank a send or
sweep a pan pot now and again on certain types of program material.
Regards,
Deej
"Neil" <OIUOIU@IOU.com> wrote in message news:4418eefd$1@linux...
>
> Deej, honestly, it's almost not worth it to use MIDI
> programming for EFX like you're describing... you're better off
> automating plugin's, IMO... the flexibility is greater, and the
> quality of the sound is better. If you need to automate stuff
> in MIDI, you might find you're better off sticking with things
> like velocity, modulation, etc.
>
> Neil
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >Thanks Chris. I guess I could actually *read* some stuff (God forbid ;o).
> >
> >I understand about what you're saying with *coarse* midi control. I've
> >experienced *zippering* in the past. Just having access to the parameters
> to
> >create new presets without jacking around with squinting at the small
screen
> >displays of the unit in a rack would be nice. What I have in mind to do
> is
> >create presets for positional delays and reverb presets with certain
> >predelay characteristics in order to create certain soundstage scenarios
> >that I can easily access when mixing..
> >
> >Deej
> >
> >"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> >news:4418bf5a$1@linux...
> >> Hey DJ,
> >> I know how much you hate to read.
> >>
> >> How MIDI works by Peter Alexander is one best all around books on the
> >> subject especially hardware MIDI info.
> >>
> >> Most of the MIDI control on these old units involves changing presets
> >> and such. Some allow effect changes but I found on some of the old ones
> >> the low MIDI resolution will cause a stepping sound when changing
> >> parameters.
> >>
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> DJ wrote:
> >> > I've been dreading this for years, but it's becoming necessary. I
hate
> >midi.
> >> > Midi is evil. Just a bunch of random numbers which were created to do
> >harm
> >> > to my brain............and it seems personal.......directed towards
> me
> >and
> >> > no one else. I'd rather be dragged bareassed by a wild horse through
> a
> >> > cactus patch, but alas.......the time has come.
> >> >
> >> > The first thing I need to do is to figure out how to control my old
> Sony
> >> > MU-R201 and V77 FX processors with midi controllers. They have midi
> I/O
> >> > ports. Anyone out there a midi guru? Anyone out there suggest any
> >hardware
> >> > midi controllers to do this? Anyone out there willing to have a phone
> >> > conversation with me and explain how to program midi?
> >> >
> >> > My Alesis Wedge units (theoretically) function like Lexicon MRC's.
It's
> >> > possible to patch them into midi channels in Cubase and use them to
> >control
> >> > the Wedges. I wonder if the Lexi MRC would control the Sony MU-R201
> and
> >V77
> >> > units? It sure would be nice to be able to automate these FX units.
> >> >
> >> > Your humble correspondent in the wilds of Colorado.............
> >> >
> >> > ;o)
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Chris Ludwig
> >> ADK
> >> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> >> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> >> (859) 635-5762
> >
> >
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| Re: OK...........now I'm gonna have to learn to program midi [message #65440 is a reply to message #65425] |
Thu, 16 March 2006 02:24 |
rick
Messages: 1976
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yeah, MTP imho is the best, easiest midi app out there for inputting
controller messages.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:57:54 -0500, "Lance Reichert"
<lance.rocks@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
>That sounds right Dj. With a software sequencer you can view the event
>editor (after you record the data)
>and see exactly what you're sending to the slaved device. On Master tracks
>pro, the volume slider can be set to
>any midi controller number like reverb level. Then assign the track output
>to a midi channel,
>adjust the slider and you should get a responce from the slaved unit. You
>may need program material running through the processors to be sure though.
>A midi indicator light on the slave unit would be very helpful too..
>
>I'll tell ya anything I know about midi.
>
>Lance
>
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:4418bf6f$1@linux...
>> Thanks Lance. I've got a line on a Lexicon MRC. This looks like a good
>> generic controller. I've also got the midi implementation charts for my
>V77
>> and MU-R201 and the MRC has 2 x midi I/O and so can likely control both
>> units.
>>
>> Once I get my hands on a controller, I'll get my implementation charts
>> together and get back to you.
>>
>> Using a hadrware fader controller really appeals to me but actually, from
>> what you're saying, it sounds like I could just interface these modules
>> directly to the midi I/O of one of my RME HDSP 9652 interfaces and use
>> Cubase SX to control them..........correct?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Deej
>>
>>
>>
>> "Lance Reichert" <lance.rocks@nospam.verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:4418bca3@linux...
>> > Hey DJ,
>> >
>> > You may know this but the first thing you need is the MIDI
>implementation
>> > chart for
>> > the units you want to "control". From there you could do some
>> "controlling"
>> > from a
>> > sequencing program. Master Tracks pro is good for this stuff.
>> >
>> > I was a major midi guru/freak in the 80's and early 90's. The height of
>> any
>> > real interest
>> > in interfacing. After the multi-timbral modules and workstations came
>out,
>> > the simplified user interfaces
>> > took over and the MIDI programming went into the background.
>> >
>> > If I can be of any more assistance. Shoot me a note on my private email,
>> > and I'll send you my #
>> >
>> >
>> > l a n c e @ q b d i g i t a l . com
>> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> > news:4418b7c6@linux...
>> > > I've been dreading this for years, but it's becoming necessary. I hate
>> > midi.
>> > > Midi is evil. Just a bunch of random numbers which were created to do
>> harm
>> > > to my brain............and it seems personal.......directed towards me
>> and
>> > > no one else. I'd rather be dragged bareassed by a wild horse through
>a
>> > > cactus patch, but alas.......the time has come.
>> > >
>> > > The first thing I need to do is to figure out how to control my old
>Sony
>> > > MU-R201 and V77 FX processors with midi controllers. They have midi
>I/O
>> > > ports. Anyone out there a midi guru? Anyone out there suggest any
>> hardware
>> > > midi controllers to do this? Anyone out there willing to have a phone
>> > > conversation with me and explain how to program midi?
>> > >
>> > > My Alesis Wedge units (theoretically) function like Lexicon MRC's.
>It's
>> > > possible to patch them into midi channels in Cubase and use them to
>> > control
>> > > the Wedges. I wonder if the Lexi MRC would control the Sony MU-R201
>and
>> > V77
>> > > units? It sure would be nice to be able to automate these FX units.
>> > >
>> > > Your humble correspondent in the wilds of Colorado.............
>> > >
>> > > ;o)
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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| Re: OK...........now I'm gonna have to learn to program midi [message #65441 is a reply to message #65438] |
Thu, 16 March 2006 02:28 |
rick
Messages: 1976
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if you're going to hand draw the events in the controller window then
make sure you're at max resolution. this will input the most events.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:27:51 -0700, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I see what you're talking about and I guess I could automate the aux sends
>and panning in Paris. What I'm really looking to do here is have a way to
>easily program and save presets on my rack modules. All send FX in my mix
>setup are being done in Paris, not Cubase SX.
>
>For example, let's say I want to create a stage 60' across and position 5
>performers within 50' of that 60' width. On my furthest stage left
>performer, this leaves 10' of air between the performer and the left side
>of the stage and 40' of air between the performer and the opposite wall at
>stage right. I pan the performer to the proper position (25' left of stage
>center), then set him up on two mono delays, one of which is panned left
>the short distance to the closest wall with a 10ms delay, the other being
>panned stage right to the farthest wall with a 40ms delay. This get's me a
>positional fix L/R. Now also, if I decide I want to further position him
>toward the front or rear of the stage, I'll need to use a reverb with a
>certain predelay, depending on the depth of the room I have created. This is
>a PITA to do on a 19" rack processor with a tiny little LCD. I'm looking
>foir a faster way to program what I need and then save it as a tweakable
>preset so I've got a group of recallable settings for say, a 80' wide stage
>with 6 players spread across 70' of that stage,. a smaller, more intimate
>40' wide stage with the players at varying positions. I can see myself
>putting together about 5 or 6 different possible soundstaging scenarios. I
>want to be able to tweak these quickly and then save them on a *per song*
>basis to each project.
>
>I doubt I'll be doing much *real time* changing of the controller values
>during mixing, but you never know. I can see needing to crank a send or
>sweep a pan pot now and again on certain types of program material.
>
>Regards,
>Deej
>
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@IOU.com> wrote in message news:4418eefd$1@linux...
>>
>> Deej, honestly, it's almost not worth it to use MIDI
>> programming for EFX like you're describing... you're better off
>> automating plugin's, IMO... the flexibility is greater, and the
>> quality of the sound is better. If you need to automate stuff
>> in MIDI, you might find you're better off sticking with things
>> like velocity, modulation, etc.
>>
>> Neil
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >Thanks Chris. I guess I could actually *read* some stuff (God forbid ;o).
>> >
>> >I understand about what you're saying with *coarse* midi control. I've
>> >experienced *zippering* in the past. Just having access to the parameters
>> to
>> >create new presets without jacking around with squinting at the small
>screen
>> >displays of the unit in a rack would be nice. What I have in mind to do
>> is
>> >create presets for positional delays and reverb presets with certain
>> >predelay characteristics in order to create certain soundstage scenarios
>> >that I can easily access when mixing..
>> >
>> >Deej
>> >
>> >"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> >news:4418bf5a$1@linux...
>> >> Hey DJ,
>> >> I know how much you hate to read.
>> >>
>> >> How MIDI works by Peter Alexander is one best all around books on the
>> >> subject especially hardware MIDI info.
>> >>
>> >> Most of the MIDI control on these old units involves changing presets
>> >> and such. Some allow effect changes but I found on some of the old ones
>> >> the low MIDI resolution will cause a stepping sound when changing
>> >> parameters.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Chris
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> DJ wrote:
>> >> > I've been dreading this for years, but it's becoming necessary. I
>hate
>> >midi.
>> >> > Midi is evil. Just a bunch of random numbers which were created to do
>> >harm
>> >> > to my brain............and it seems personal.......directed towards
>> me
>> >and
>> >> > no one else. I'd rather be dragged bareassed by a wild horse through
>> a
>> >> > cactus patch, but alas.......the time has come.
>> >> >
>> >> > The first thing I need to do is to figure out how to control my old
>> Sony
>> >> > MU-R201 and V77 FX processors with midi controllers. They have midi
>> I/O
>> >> > ports. Anyone out there a midi guru? Anyone out there suggest any
>> >hardware
>> >> > midi controllers to do this? Anyone out there willing to have a phone
>> >> > conversation with me and explain how to program midi?
>> >> >
>> >> > My Alesis Wedge units (theoretically) function like Lexicon MRC's.
>It's
>> >> > possible to patch them into midi channels in Cubase and use them to
>> >control
>> >> > the Wedges. I wonder if the Lexi MRC would control the Sony MU-R201
>> and
>> >V77
>> >> > units? It sure would be nice to be able to automate these FX units.
>> >> >
>> >> > Your humble correspondent in the wilds of Colorado.............
>> >> >
>> >> > ;o)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Chris Ludwig
>> >> ADK
>> >> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> >> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> >> (859) 635-5762
>> >
>> >
>>
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| Re: OK...........now I'm gonna have to learn to program midi [message #65447 is a reply to message #65438] |
Thu, 16 March 2006 09:14 |
Neil
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What if you were to just set up a few presents that are
variations on this & save those in the hardware? Then you could
tweak as needed for each particular mix. Seems like doing that,
plus just keeping some notes on the specific settings in a text
file within each project folder would be easier than going
through MIDI parameter automation hell.
IME, MIDI parameter automation is extremely time-consuming, and
not always reliable, to boot.
Neil
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I see what you're talking about and I guess I could automate the aux sends
>and panning in Paris. What I'm really looking to do here is have a way to
>easily program and save presets on my rack modules. All send FX in my mix
>setup are being done in Paris, not Cubase SX.
>
>For example, let's say I want to create a stage 60' across and position
5
>performers within 50' of that 60' width. On my furthest stage left
>performer, this leaves 10' of air between the performer and the left side
>of the stage and 40' of air between the performer and the opposite wall
at
>stage right. I pan the performer to the proper position (25' left of stage
>center), then set him up on two mono delays, one of which is panned left
>the short distance to the closest wall with a 10ms delay, the other being
>panned stage right to the farthest wall with a 40ms delay. This get's me
a
>positional fix L/R. Now also, if I decide I want to further position him
>toward the front or rear of the stage, I'll need to use a reverb with a
>certain predelay, depending on the depth of the room I have created. This
is
>a PITA to do on a 19" rack processor with a tiny little LCD. I'm looking
>foir a faster way to program what I need and then save it as a tweakable
>preset so I've got a group of recallable settings for say, a 80' wide stage
>with 6 players spread across 70' of that stage,. a smaller, more intimate
>40' wide stage with the players at varying positions. I can see myself
>putting together about 5 or 6 different possible soundstaging scenarios.
I
>want to be able to tweak these quickly and then save them on a *per song*
>basis to each project.
>
>I doubt I'll be doing much *real time* changing of the controller values
>during mixing, but you never know. I can see needing to crank a send or
>sweep a pan pot now and again on certain types of program material.
>
>Regards,
>Deej
>
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@IOU.com> wrote in message news:4418eefd$1@linux...
>>
>> Deej, honestly, it's almost not worth it to use MIDI
>> programming for EFX like you're describing... you're better off
>> automating plugin's, IMO... the flexibility is greater, and the
>> quality of the sound is better. If you need to automate stuff
>> in MIDI, you might find you're better off sticking with things
>> like velocity, modulation, etc.
>>
>> Neil
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >Thanks Chris. I guess I could actually *read* some stuff (God forbid
;o).
>> >
>> >I understand about what you're saying with *coarse* midi control. I've
>> >experienced *zippering* in the past. Just having access to the parameters
>> to
>> >create new presets without jacking around with squinting at the small
>screen
>> >displays of the unit in a rack would be nice. What I have in mind to
do
>> is
>> >create presets for positional delays and reverb presets with certain
>> >predelay characteristics in order to create certain soundstage scenarios
>> >that I can easily access when mixing..
>> >
>> >Deej
>> >
>> >"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> >news:4418bf5a$1@linux...
>> >> Hey DJ,
>> >> I know how much you hate to read.
>> >>
>> >> How MIDI works by Peter Alexander is one best all around books on the
>> >> subject especially hardware MIDI info.
>> >>
>> >> Most of the MIDI control on these old units involves changing presets
>> >> and such. Some allow effect changes but I found on some of the old
ones
>> >> the low MIDI resolution will cause a stepping sound when changing
>> >> parameters.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Chris
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> DJ wrote:
>> >> > I've been dreading this for years, but it's becoming necessary. I
>hate
>> >midi.
>> >> > Midi is evil. Just a bunch of random numbers which were created to
do
>> >harm
>> >> > to my brain............and it seems personal.......directed towards
>> me
>> >and
>> >> > no one else. I'd rather be dragged bareassed by a wild horse through
>> a
>> >> > cactus patch, but alas.......the time has come.
>> >> >
>> >> > The first thing I need to do is to figure out how to control my old
>> Sony
>> >> > MU-R201 and V77 FX processors with midi controllers. They have midi
>> I/O
>> >> > ports. Anyone out there a midi guru? Anyone out there suggest any
>> >hardware
>> >> > midi controllers to do this? Anyone out there willing to have a phone
>> >> > conversation with me and explain how to program midi?
>> >> >
>> >> > My Alesis Wedge units (theoretically) function like Lexicon MRC's.
>It's
>> >> > possible to patch them into midi channels in Cubase and use them
to
>> >control
>> >> > the Wedges. I wonder if the Lexi MRC would control the Sony MU-R201
>> and
>> >V77
>> >> > units? It sure would be nice to be able to automate these FX units.
>> >> >
>> >> > Your humble correspondent in the wilds of Colorado.............
>> >> >
>> >> > ;o)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Chris Ludwig
>> >> ADK
>> >> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> >> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> >> (859) 635-5762
>> >
>> >
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| Re: OK...........now I'm gonna have to learn to program midi [message #65457 is a reply to message #65455] |
Thu, 16 March 2006 10:02 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
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Actually, I mis-spoke. You'll need an "editor"/librarian program. The
librarian just organizes and transmits the different presets. The editor
lets you tweak around in the bowels of the device. yuk!
Tony
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:4419a6ff@linux...
> Thanks Tony. I've got a couple of Librarians here. Never used them. guess
> I'll dig them up and look 'em over.
>
> Deej
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
> news:4419a277@linux...
>> Deej,
>>
>> You might look into a midi librarian program if you want to be able to
>> program your outboard gear easily from your computer. This wouldn't
> provide
>> automation, but if you're just wanting to be able to program presets in
>> great detail it might be the ticket. I too was once a "midi guru" from
> about
>> 1985 to 1990. I even had vanity plates that read 'midi 1". Pretty lame,
> huh?
>> ;>) Opcode had a great program out back then called Galaxy, but I doubt
>> it
>> would be very useful today. I think it was Mac only also. Anyway, a quick
>> Google found this, but you should be able to research and find more
> options.
>>
>> http://www.squest.com/Windows/MidiQuest/MidiQuest-About.html
>>
>> http://www.sonicspot.com/news/00020306.html
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> news:4418b7c6@linux...
>> > I've been dreading this for years, but it's becoming necessary. I hate
>> > midi.
>> > Midi is evil. Just a bunch of random numbers which were created to do
> harm
>> > to my brain............and it seems personal.......directed towards me
> and
>> > no one else. I'd rather be dragged bareassed by a wild horse through a
>> > cactus patch, but alas.......the time has come.
>> >
>> > The first thing I need to do is to figure out how to control my old
>> > Sony
>> > MU-R201 and V77 FX processors with midi controllers. They have midi I/O
>> > ports. Anyone out there a midi guru? Anyone out there suggest any
> hardware
>> > midi controllers to do this? Anyone out there willing to have a phone
>> > conversation with me and explain how to program midi?
>> >
>> > My Alesis Wedge units (theoretically) function like Lexicon MRC's. It's
>> > possible to patch them into midi channels in Cubase and use them to
>> > control
>> > the Wedges. I wonder if the Lexi MRC would control the Sony MU-R201 and
>> > V77
>> > units? It sure would be nice to be able to automate these FX units.
>> >
>> > Your humble correspondent in the wilds of Colorado.............
>> >
>> > ;o)
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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| Re: OK...........now I'm gonna have to learn to program midi [message #65463 is a reply to message #65421] |
Thu, 16 March 2006 17:22 |
Edna Sloan
Messages: 304
Registered: October 2005
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Lance,
What can be done with MTP that one couldn't do with Cubase, Sonar, or other
software sequencers?
Thanks, Edna
"Lance Reichert" <lance.rocks@nospam.verizon.net> wrote in message
news:4418bca3@linux...
> Hey DJ,
>
> You may know this but the first thing you need is the MIDI implementation
> chart for
> the units you want to "control". From there you could do some
"controlling"
> from a
> sequencing program. Master Tracks pro is good for this stuff.
>
> I was a major midi guru/freak in the 80's and early 90's. The height of
any
> real interest
> in interfacing. After the multi-timbral modules and workstations came out,
> the simplified user interfaces
> took over and the MIDI programming went into the background.
>
> If I can be of any more assistance. Shoot me a note on my private email,
> and I'll send you my #
>
>
> l a n c e @ q b d i g i t a l . com
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:4418b7c6@linux...
> > I've been dreading this for years, but it's becoming necessary. I hate
> midi.
> > Midi is evil. Just a bunch of random numbers which were created to do
harm
> > to my brain............and it seems personal.......directed towards me
and
> > no one else. I'd rather be dragged bareassed by a wild horse through a
> > cactus patch, but alas.......the time has come.
> >
> > The first thing I need to do is to figure out how to control my old Sony
> > MU-R201 and V77 FX processors with midi controllers. They have midi I/O
> > ports. Anyone out there a midi guru? Anyone out there suggest any
hardware
> > midi controllers to do this? Anyone out there willing to have a phone
> > conversation with me and explain how to program midi?
> >
> > My Alesis Wedge units (theoretically) function like Lexicon MRC's. It's
> > possible to patch them into midi channels in Cubase and use them to
> control
> > the Wedges. I wonder if the Lexi MRC would control the Sony MU-R201 and
> V77
> > units? It sure would be nice to be able to automate these FX units.
> >
> > Your humble correspondent in the wilds of Colorado.............
> >
> > ;o)
> >
> >
>
>
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| Re: OK...........now I'm gonna have to learn to program midi [message #65467 is a reply to message #65419] |
Thu, 16 March 2006 22:04 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Hey Deej
A lot of older hardware units really don't do a very good job dealing with
incoming MIDI. If you really want to do this (I'd try damn hard to do things
with software if possible) then I'd suggest a) learning how MIDI works in
SX and b) getting a generic controller from M-Audio with some knobs and faders
on it. The ability to draw MIDI in SX for testing purposes at least (though
you might find that the tools used for drawing MIDI controller data in SX
are far more useful than you might think) will be a good start.
Lastly, some guy wrote this book about SX that I think you have. There is
an _extensive_ section about MIDI controllers, tools, and editing in that
book precisely because that guy thought it was a very important part of the
application that is chronically underused. In fact, I heat that guy had a
really hard time convincing his editors to go into such depth about the topic
because they, like you, found MIDI unintuitive. But I find legal filings
and calculus unintuitive but others do not, and I probably could get to the
point where I could do both just fine. Just a thought, you might want to
look at that book again.
TCB
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I've been dreading this for years, but it's becoming necessary. I hate midi.
>Midi is evil. Just a bunch of random numbers which were created to do harm
>to my brain............and it seems personal.......directed towards me and
>no one else. I'd rather be dragged bareassed by a wild horse through a
>cactus patch, but alas.......the time has come.
>
>The first thing I need to do is to figure out how to control my old Sony
>MU-R201 and V77 FX processors with midi controllers. They have midi I/O
>ports. Anyone out there a midi guru? Anyone out there suggest any hardware
>midi controllers to do this? Anyone out there willing to have a phone
>conversation with me and explain how to program midi?
>
>My Alesis Wedge units (theoretically) function like Lexicon MRC's. It's
>possible to patch them into midi channels in Cubase and use them to control
>the Wedges. I wonder if the Lexi MRC would control the Sony MU-R201 and
V77
>units? It sure would be nice to be able to automate these FX units.
>
>Your humble correspondent in the wilds of Colorado.............
>
>;o)
>
>
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| Re: OK...........now I'm gonna have to learn to program midi [message #65469 is a reply to message #65457] |
Thu, 16 March 2006 22:13 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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SoundDiver, MIDI Quest, and Galaxy. You're making me quake in fear Tony. Quake.
In fear. And sweat a lot, and shiver and cough up blood and go open up my
copy of Live with all of my plug-ins.
TCB
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>Actually, I mis-spoke. You'll need an "editor"/librarian program. The
>librarian just organizes and transmits the different presets. The editor
>lets you tweak around in the bowels of the device. yuk!
>
>Tony
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:4419a6ff@linux...
>> Thanks Tony. I've got a couple of Librarians here. Never used them. guess
>> I'll dig them up and look 'em over.
>>
>> Deej
>>
>> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>> news:4419a277@linux...
>>> Deej,
>>>
>>> You might look into a midi librarian program if you want to be able to
>>> program your outboard gear easily from your computer. This wouldn't
>> provide
>>> automation, but if you're just wanting to be able to program presets
in
>>> great detail it might be the ticket. I too was once a "midi guru" from
>> about
>>> 1985 to 1990. I even had vanity plates that read 'midi 1". Pretty lame,
>> huh?
>>> ;>) Opcode had a great program out back then called Galaxy, but I doubt
>>> it
>>> would be very useful today. I think it was Mac only also. Anyway, a quick
>>> Google found this, but you should be able to research and find more
>> options.
>>>
>>> http://www.squest.com/Windows/MidiQuest/MidiQuest-About.html
>>>
>>> http://www.sonicspot.com/news/00020306.html
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>> news:4418b7c6@linux...
>>> > I've been dreading this for years, but it's becoming necessary. I hate
>>> > midi.
>>> > Midi is evil. Just a bunch of random numbers which were created to
do
>> harm
>>> > to my brain............and it seems personal.......directed towards
me
>> and
>>> > no one else. I'd rather be dragged bareassed by a wild horse through
a
>>> > cactus patch, but alas.......the time has come.
>>> >
>>> > The first thing I need to do is to figure out how to control my old
>>> > Sony
>>> > MU-R201 and V77 FX processors with midi controllers. They have midi
I/O
>>> > ports. Anyone out there a midi guru? Anyone out there suggest any
>> hardware
>>> > midi controllers to do this? Anyone out there willing to have a phone
>>> > conversation with me and explain how to program midi?
>>> >
>>> > My Alesis Wedge units (theoretically) function like Lexicon MRC's.
It's
>>> > possible to patch them into midi channels in Cubase and use them to
>>> > control
>>> > the Wedges. I wonder if the Lexi MRC would control the Sony MU-R201
and
>>> > V77
>>> > units? It sure would be nice to be able to automate these FX units.
>>> >
>>> > Your humble correspondent in the wilds of Colorado.............
>>> >
>>> > ;o)
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: OK...........now I'm gonna have to learn to program midi [message #65489 is a reply to message #65469] |
Fri, 17 March 2006 09:28 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
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I know man! It's like we somehow stepped through a time warp into the horror
that was 1985. We'll, I'm off to get my "Flock of Seagulls" hair dew. And I
ran, I ran so far away. . .
Tony
Circa 1985: Simmons SDS-9, Yamaha RX-11, Korg Poly 61, Roland JX-8P, Master
Tracks running on an Apple IIe! :>) (I couldn't afford an Obie or Profit!)
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:441a458a$1@linux...
>
> SoundDiver, MIDI Quest, and Galaxy. You're making me quake in fear Tony.
> Quake.
> In fear. And sweat a lot, and shiver and cough up blood and go open up my
> copy of Live with all of my plug-ins.
>
> TCB
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>Actually, I mis-spoke. You'll need an "editor"/librarian program. The
>>librarian just organizes and transmits the different presets. The editor
>
>>lets you tweak around in the bowels of the device. yuk!
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>news:4419a6ff@linux...
>>> Thanks Tony. I've got a couple of Librarians here. Never used them.
>>> guess
>>> I'll dig them up and look 'em over.
>>>
>>> Deej
>>>
>>> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4419a277@linux...
>>>> Deej,
>>>>
>>>> You might look into a midi librarian program if you want to be able to
>>>> program your outboard gear easily from your computer. This wouldn't
>>> provide
>>>> automation, but if you're just wanting to be able to program presets
> in
>>>> great detail it might be the ticket. I too was once a "midi guru" from
>>> about
>>>> 1985 to 1990. I even had vanity plates that read 'midi 1". Pretty lame,
>>> huh?
>>>> ;>) Opcode had a great program out back then called Galaxy, but I doubt
>
>>>> it
>>>> would be very useful today. I think it was Mac only also. Anyway, a
>>>> quick
>>>> Google found this, but you should be able to research and find more
>>> options.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.squest.com/Windows/MidiQuest/MidiQuest-About.html
>>>>
>>>> http://www.sonicspot.com/news/00020306.html
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:4418b7c6@linux...
>>>> > I've been dreading this for years, but it's becoming necessary. I
>>>> > hate
>>>> > midi.
>>>> > Midi is evil. Just a bunch of random numbers which were created to
> do
>>> harm
>>>> > to my brain............and it seems personal.......directed towards
> me
>>> and
>>>> > no one else. I'd rather be dragged bareassed by a wild horse through
> a
>>>> > cactus patch, but alas.......the time has come.
>>>> >
>>>> > The first thing I need to do is to figure out how to control my old
>
>>>> > Sony
>>>> > MU-R201 and V77 FX processors with midi controllers. They have midi
> I/O
>>>> > ports. Anyone out there a midi guru? Anyone out there suggest any
>>> hardware
>>>> > midi controllers to do this? Anyone out there willing to have a phone
>>>> > conversation with me and explain how to program midi?
>>>> >
>>>> > My Alesis Wedge units (theoretically) function like Lexicon MRC's.
> It's
>>>> > possible to patch them into midi channels in Cubase and use them to
>>>> > control
>>>> > the Wedges. I wonder if the Lexi MRC would control the Sony MU-R201
> and
>>>> > V77
>>>> > units? It sure would be nice to be able to automate these FX units.
>>>> >
>>>> > Your humble correspondent in the wilds of Colorado.............
>>>> >
>>>> > ;o)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Re: OK...........now I'm gonna have to learn to program midi [message #65561 is a reply to message #65543] |
Mon, 20 March 2006 01:44 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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you mountain folk...
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:24:35 -0700, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>But it's sooooo cool to record a piiano and then when your Britney Spears
>lookalike vocalist comes in and can't hit the pitch because she's really a
>he with a baritone voice because the hormone shots haven't kicked in, you
>can pitch down and replace it with a B-3.
>
>That stuff happens here all the time.
>
>;oP
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:441d4de0@linux...
>> Just to keep you focused, remember MIDI TOTALLY SUCKS......run from it
>> at every chance.
>>
>> rick wrote:
>> > i see your points as being generally valid but privately i'm still
>> > concerned. it's not that i fear self corporal punishment is at stake
>> > here but being the captain of the ship has many responsibilities and
>> > may make a bit distracted.
>> >
>> > On 19 Mar 2006 14:03:31 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>Frankly, I think he'd be safer with knives... they don't plug
>> >>into the wall (generally speaking), they don't require
>> >>workarounds (generally speaking), and - generally speaking -
>> >>they can't spontaneously catch fire.
>> >>
>> >>:)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>i don't think we should encourage him to play with knives...oh the
>> >>>humanity...
>> >>>
>> >>>On 19 Mar 2006 08:45:30 +1000, "gene lennon"
>> >>><glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>Every other Behringer product I've ever touched has been pure
>crap........but
>> >>>>>those cheap prices ..........they re like sirens luring a sailor on
>to
>> >>
>> >>the
>> >>
>> >>>>>rocks.
>> >>>>>;o)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Maybe you should take all your Behringer gear in your next long sea
>voyage
>> >>>>and carve scrimshaw out of it.
>> >>>>g
>> >>>
>> >
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