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| Re: question for cubase users? [message #81645 is a reply to message #81637] |
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neil[1]
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Is it perhaps because the bistream rate of the file/individual
channel itself (probably 16 or 24, right?) is lower than that
of the SX mix buss? Could that be why it sounds different?
Neil
rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>both stereo.
>
>
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>On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:17:47 -0600, Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net>
>wrote:
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>>Was the channel mono? I don't remember how N2 handled it but SX2 may not
be
>>sending stereo to Amplitube when inserted on a channel.
>>
>>I've never heard a plugin sound any different on a channel vs. the main
bus
>>in N3/C4 - stereo works fine there as long as the source is stereo.
>>
>>If you mono audio on a stereo track, you can get a mono input to some
>>plugins, which is solved by sending to a stereo effect instead.
>>
>>There are some amp sim comps that simply pass the right channel and only
>>process the left, making it only possible to use a mono track. Don't know
>>about Amplitube.
>>
>>On 3/16/07 12:35 PM, in article kgolv2d4vie8930helbnjmg6f1eib5s4ju@4ax.com,
>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> i use SX2 mainly as a vsti/vst vehicles. when using amplitube2 on the
>>> mains insert i have found that the sound is much bigger, fatter and
>>> generally better than when using it on a individual channel insert.
>>> have any of you? i was showing this to one of the interns here
>>> yesterday and he too was amazed at the difference.
>>>
>>> rick
>
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| Re: question for cubase users? [message #81676 is a reply to message #81645] |
Sun, 18 March 2007 03:12 |
rick
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as far as i know it's all 24.
On 18 Mar 2007 00:45:29 +1000, "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>Is it perhaps because the bistream rate of the file/individual
>channel itself (probably 16 or 24, right?) is lower than that
>of the SX mix buss? Could that be why it sounds different?
>
>Neil
>
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>both stereo.
>>
>>
>>
>>On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:17:47 -0600, Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Was the channel mono? I don't remember how N2 handled it but SX2 may not
>be
>>>sending stereo to Amplitube when inserted on a channel.
>>>
>>>I've never heard a plugin sound any different on a channel vs. the main
>bus
>>>in N3/C4 - stereo works fine there as long as the source is stereo.
>>>
>>>If you mono audio on a stereo track, you can get a mono input to some
>>>plugins, which is solved by sending to a stereo effect instead.
>>>
>>>There are some amp sim comps that simply pass the right channel and only
>>>process the left, making it only possible to use a mono track. Don't know
>>>about Amplitube.
>>>
>>>On 3/16/07 12:35 PM, in article kgolv2d4vie8930helbnjmg6f1eib5s4ju@4ax.com,
>>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> i use SX2 mainly as a vsti/vst vehicles. when using amplitube2 on the
>>>> mains insert i have found that the sound is much bigger, fatter and
>>>> generally better than when using it on a individual channel insert.
>>>> have any of you? i was showing this to one of the interns here
>>>> yesterday and he too was amazed at the difference.
>>>>
>>>> rick
>>
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| Re: question for cubase users? [message #81679 is a reply to message #81676] |
Sun, 18 March 2007 08:39 |
Neil
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The mix buss processes at 32 bits.
rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>as far as i know it's all 24.
>
>On 18 Mar 2007 00:45:29 +1000, "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Is it perhaps because the bistream rate of the file/individual
>>channel itself (probably 16 or 24, right?) is lower than that
>>of the SX mix buss? Could that be why it sounds different?
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>
>>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>both stereo.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:17:47 -0600, Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Was the channel mono? I don't remember how N2 handled it but SX2 may
not
>>be
>>>>sending stereo to Amplitube when inserted on a channel.
>>>>
>>>>I've never heard a plugin sound any different on a channel vs. the main
>>bus
>>>>in N3/C4 - stereo works fine there as long as the source is stereo.
>>>>
>>>>If you mono audio on a stereo track, you can get a mono input to some
>>>>plugins, which is solved by sending to a stereo effect instead.
>>>>
>>>>There are some amp sim comps that simply pass the right channel and only
>>>>process the left, making it only possible to use a mono track. Don't
know
>>>>about Amplitube.
>>>>
>>>>On 3/16/07 12:35 PM, in article kgolv2d4vie8930helbnjmg6f1eib5s4ju@4ax.com,
>>>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i use SX2 mainly as a vsti/vst vehicles. when using amplitube2 on
the
>>>>> mains insert i have found that the sound is much bigger, fatter and
>>>>> generally better than when using it on a individual channel insert.
>>>>> have any of you? i was showing this to one of the interns here
>>>>> yesterday and he too was amazed at the difference.
>>>>>
>>>>> rick
>>>
>
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| Re: question for cubase users? [message #81681 is a reply to message #81679] |
Sun, 18 March 2007 08:17 |
Dedric Terry
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Bit depth won't make an audible difference in this case.
It's more than likely a mono vs. stereo issue with Amplitube and how it
receives the input. I've run across this with other amp sims. There just
aren't any stereo guitars, so they assume mono on a track, whereas on an FX
channel (send) it might assume stereo - makes a big difference in how it
sounds.
The whole engine is 32-bit float, not just the mix buss. Some plugins
even process at 64 bit regardless of whether they are on a track, the main
buss, an FX channel or a group.
Regards,
Dedric
On 3/18/07 9:39 AM, in article 45fd4f12$1@linux, "Neil" <IOUIU@OIU.com>
wrote:
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> The mix buss processes at 32 bits.
>
> rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> as far as i know it's all 24.
>>
>> On 18 Mar 2007 00:45:29 +1000, "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Is it perhaps because the bistream rate of the file/individual
>>> channel itself (probably 16 or 24, right?) is lower than that
>>> of the SX mix buss? Could that be why it sounds different?
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>> rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> both stereo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:17:47 -0600, Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Was the channel mono? I don't remember how N2 handled it but SX2 may
> not
>>> be
>>>>> sending stereo to Amplitube when inserted on a channel.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never heard a plugin sound any different on a channel vs. the main
>>> bus
>>>>> in N3/C4 - stereo works fine there as long as the source is stereo.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you mono audio on a stereo track, you can get a mono input to some
>>>>> plugins, which is solved by sending to a stereo effect instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are some amp sim comps that simply pass the right channel and only
>>>>> process the left, making it only possible to use a mono track. Don't
> know
>>>>> about Amplitube.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/16/07 12:35 PM, in article
>>>>> kgolv2d4vie8930helbnjmg6f1eib5s4ju@4ax.com,
>>>>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> i use SX2 mainly as a vsti/vst vehicles. when using amplitube2 on
> the
>>>>>> mains insert i have found that the sound is much bigger, fatter and
>>>>>> generally better than when using it on a individual channel insert.
>>>>>> have any of you? i was showing this to one of the interns here
>>>>>> yesterday and he too was amazed at the difference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> rick
>>>>
>>
>
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| Re: question for cubase users? [message #81699 is a reply to message #81676] |
Sun, 18 March 2007 13:51 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
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Call Applecare. They'll know how to fix it.
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e34qv2dp3rtj957bsme6ba79voeacovb71@4ax.com...
> as far as i know it's all 24.
>
> On 18 Mar 2007 00:45:29 +1000, "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Is it perhaps because the bistream rate of the file/individual
>>channel itself (probably 16 or 24, right?) is lower than that
>>of the SX mix buss? Could that be why it sounds different?
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>
>>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>both stereo.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:17:47 -0600, Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Was the channel mono? I don't remember how N2 handled it but SX2 may
>>>>not
>>be
>>>>sending stereo to Amplitube when inserted on a channel.
>>>>
>>>>I've never heard a plugin sound any different on a channel vs. the main
>>bus
>>>>in N3/C4 - stereo works fine there as long as the source is stereo.
>>>>
>>>>If you mono audio on a stereo track, you can get a mono input to some
>>>>plugins, which is solved by sending to a stereo effect instead.
>>>>
>>>>There are some amp sim comps that simply pass the right channel and only
>>>>process the left, making it only possible to use a mono track. Don't
>>>>know
>>>>about Amplitube.
>>>>
>>>>On 3/16/07 12:35 PM, in article
>>>>kgolv2d4vie8930helbnjmg6f1eib5s4ju@4ax.com,
>>>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i use SX2 mainly as a vsti/vst vehicles. when using amplitube2 on the
>>>>> mains insert i have found that the sound is much bigger, fatter and
>>>>> generally better than when using it on a individual channel insert.
>>>>> have any of you? i was showing this to one of the interns here
>>>>> yesterday and he too was amazed at the difference.
>>>>>
>>>>> rick
>>>
>
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| Re: question for cubase users? [message #81701 is a reply to message #81699] |
Sun, 18 March 2007 15:09 |
excelav
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"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Call Applecare. They'll know how to fix it.
Lame.
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:e34qv2dp3rtj957bsme6ba79voeacovb71@4ax.com...
>> as far as i know it's all 24.
>>
>> On 18 Mar 2007 00:45:29 +1000, "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Is it perhaps because the bistream rate of the file/individual
>>>channel itself (probably 16 or 24, right?) is lower than that
>>>of the SX mix buss? Could that be why it sounds different?
>>>
>>>Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>both stereo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:17:47 -0600, Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Was the channel mono? I don't remember how N2 handled it but SX2 may
>>>>>not
>>>be
>>>>>sending stereo to Amplitube when inserted on a channel.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've never heard a plugin sound any different on a channel vs. the main
>>>bus
>>>>>in N3/C4 - stereo works fine there as long as the source is stereo.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you mono audio on a stereo track, you can get a mono input to some
>>>>>plugins, which is solved by sending to a stereo effect instead.
>>>>>
>>>>>There are some amp sim comps that simply pass the right channel and
only
>>>>>process the left, making it only possible to use a mono track. Don't
>>>>>know
>>>>>about Amplitube.
>>>>>
>>>>>On 3/16/07 12:35 PM, in article
>>>>>kgolv2d4vie8930helbnjmg6f1eib5s4ju@4ax.com,
>>>>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> i use SX2 mainly as a vsti/vst vehicles. when using amplitube2 on
the
>>>>>> mains insert i have found that the sound is much bigger, fatter and
>>>>>> generally better than when using it on a individual channel insert.
>>>>>> have any of you? i was showing this to one of the interns here
>>>>>> yesterday and he too was amazed at the difference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> rick
>>>>
>>
>
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| Re: question for cubase users? [message #81710 is a reply to message #81701] |
Sun, 18 March 2007 21:16 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
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;oP
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45fdaa71$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Call Applecare. They'll know how to fix it.
>
> Lame.
>>
>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:e34qv2dp3rtj957bsme6ba79voeacovb71@4ax.com...
>>> as far as i know it's all 24.
>>>
>>> On 18 Mar 2007 00:45:29 +1000, "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Is it perhaps because the bistream rate of the file/individual
>>>>channel itself (probably 16 or 24, right?) is lower than that
>>>>of the SX mix buss? Could that be why it sounds different?
>>>>
>>>>Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>both stereo.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:17:47 -0600, Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Was the channel mono? I don't remember how N2 handled it but SX2 may
>
>>>>>>not
>>>>be
>>>>>>sending stereo to Amplitube when inserted on a channel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've never heard a plugin sound any different on a channel vs. the
>>>>>>main
>>>>bus
>>>>>>in N3/C4 - stereo works fine there as long as the source is stereo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you mono audio on a stereo track, you can get a mono input to some
>>>>>>plugins, which is solved by sending to a stereo effect instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There are some amp sim comps that simply pass the right channel and
> only
>>>>>>process the left, making it only possible to use a mono track. Don't
>
>>>>>>know
>>>>>>about Amplitube.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 3/16/07 12:35 PM, in article
>>>>>>kgolv2d4vie8930helbnjmg6f1eib5s4ju@4ax.com,
>>>>>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i use SX2 mainly as a vsti/vst vehicles. when using amplitube2 on
> the
>>>>>>> mains insert i have found that the sound is much bigger, fatter and
>>>>>>> generally better than when using it on a individual channel insert.
>>>>>>> have any of you? i was showing this to one of the interns here
>>>>>>> yesterday and he too was amazed at the difference.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> rick
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: question for cubase users? [message #81719 is a reply to message #81710] |
Mon, 19 March 2007 01:56 |
rick
Messages: 1976
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i'm still waiting for them to open up the mac. hopefully they will
today. i did run into a guy at the home show who just turned in his
mac for the same thing. my guess is that it's fairly common...at
least with this model. not surprising since i bought it.
;o)
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 22:16:30 -0600, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
wrote:
>;oP
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:45fdaa71$1@linux...
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>Call Applecare. They'll know how to fix it.
>>
>> Lame.
>>>
>>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:e34qv2dp3rtj957bsme6ba79voeacovb71@4ax.com...
>>>> as far as i know it's all 24.
>>>>
>>>> On 18 Mar 2007 00:45:29 +1000, "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Is it perhaps because the bistream rate of the file/individual
>>>>>channel itself (probably 16 or 24, right?) is lower than that
>>>>>of the SX mix buss? Could that be why it sounds different?
>>>>>
>>>>>Neil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>both stereo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:17:47 -0600, Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Was the channel mono? I don't remember how N2 handled it but SX2 may
>>
>>>>>>>not
>>>>>be
>>>>>>>sending stereo to Amplitube when inserted on a channel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've never heard a plugin sound any different on a channel vs. the
>>>>>>>main
>>>>>bus
>>>>>>>in N3/C4 - stereo works fine there as long as the source is stereo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you mono audio on a stereo track, you can get a mono input to some
>>>>>>>plugins, which is solved by sending to a stereo effect instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There are some amp sim comps that simply pass the right channel and
>> only
>>>>>>>process the left, making it only possible to use a mono track. Don't
>>
>>>>>>>know
>>>>>>>about Amplitube.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 3/16/07 12:35 PM, in article
>>>>>>>kgolv2d4vie8930helbnjmg6f1eib5s4ju@4ax.com,
>>>>>>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i use SX2 mainly as a vsti/vst vehicles. when using amplitube2 on
>> the
>>>>>>>> mains insert i have found that the sound is much bigger, fatter and
>>>>>>>> generally better than when using it on a individual channel insert.
>>>>>>>> have any of you? i was showing this to one of the interns here
>>>>>>>> yesterday and he too was amazed at the difference.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> rick
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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