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| Re: MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [message #73937 is a reply to message #73935] |
Thu, 12 October 2006 17:28   |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>It's possible to route virtual instruments directly to Paris audio channels
>and play in real time. Bye Bye needing Cubase as a VSi host in tracking
>sessions.
Omigod, Lamont... look what you've started!
This week = Deej being excited about this new app, loving it in
every regard, thrilling in it's versatility.
Next week = "Hmmm, I wish there was this ONE little other thing
I could get it to do... I'm gonna try reconfiguring this a bit;
I'll keep you guys posted."
Next week in some 4:00 in the morning post = "OK, after going
through seventeen BSOD's in one night, seventy-five cups of
coffee, and a divorce, I finally got this thing streaming at
576k, upconverting through three Lavry Blue DAC's in series,
then crunching to 12-bit though a Fairlight CMI Series 1,
paralleled with an EMT Plate reverb and back in through a set
of ADC's a friend of mine made from a toaster (note if you're
going to try this: the older, black bakelite toasters sound
WAAAY better than the newer silverface stainless steel ones),
I then tried using a "warming" circuit built from a magnetron
tube out of a 1972 Amana microwave oven, and lo & behold, it's
WORKING!!!"
(Five minutes later at 4:05am): "Damn, this #*&#%$&^%^@ setup
just started smoking & caught my Behringer Headphones on fire
as I was trying some new mix techniques... or was it the
headphones that caught the rig on fire - they ARE Behringers,
after all? Anyway, it's a good thing that I'm pretty much a
cueball up there, or else I'd feel like Michael Jackson in that
Pepsi commercial. More later, I'm going to bed now - good thing
Amy left me, or else I'd have to sleep on the couch, what with
me smelling like a fireplace & all. Oh well, at least I have
the dogs."
Later that same morning at 6:00 am = "ARGH! It's only 5:59 and
already this is the day from hell! The dogs kicked me out of
bed, I tried going out into the stable, thinking Amy had taken
the horses with her & at least I'd have some peace & quiet
there, but between the horses kicking me, the bears rummaging
around in the trash bins outside, and this muthaf^%#king skunk
that just HAD to make his presence known, I didn't sleep a
wink... well, off to the bathtub to soak in some peroxide &
tomato juice to try & get this skunk smell off of me... I've
got clients coming in at 10:00 for a mix session."
Next day in the afternoon = "Whew! Man, I am exhausted, 176
hours straight with no sleep, and with the problems I'm having
with this rig, I don't think we got a viable mix down on ANY of
their songs... because of the fire in the new PC, I went back
to a Paris/Cubase mix matrix summed to a TASCAM Portastudio for
that phat analog sound, and everything was going well until I
tried to get the Portastudio sync'ed to a word clock -
disaster... I was so sleepy that I didn't realize this was an
impossibility... BTW, anyone know how to unwedge a BNC cable
from an RCA audio-in jack once they've been super-glued to each
other???"
:D
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| Re: MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [message #73942 is a reply to message #73937] |
Thu, 12 October 2006 19:03 |
animix
Messages: 356
Registered: September 2006
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These are the blessings of a never boring life Neil (and Amy's still
hanging in there, bless her heart.)
;o)
Actually....I'm getting a bit bored with trying to do what may be possible
but is hitting the point of diminishing returns as far as the PITA factor is
concerned.
I'm going to reconfigure a few projects to mix here in Cubase with 8 stems
bussed to Paris submix 1 for summing. I think I can achieve the same mojo
without all the convoluted voodoo routing between the two DAWs. If that's
the case, I'll likely stop the madness. I'm gettin' kinda tired of this to
be honest.
I've got one more experiment to try with Forte though. It may put this whole
thing over the top. Stay tuned.
;o)
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452edd97$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
> >It's possible to route virtual instruments directly to Paris audio
channels
> >and play in real time. Bye Bye needing Cubase as a VSi host in tracking
> >sessions.
>
> Omigod, Lamont... look what you've started!
>
> This week = Deej being excited about this new app, loving it in
> every regard, thrilling in it's versatility.
>
> Next week = "Hmmm, I wish there was this ONE little other thing
> I could get it to do... I'm gonna try reconfiguring this a bit;
> I'll keep you guys posted."
>
> Next week in some 4:00 in the morning post = "OK, after going
> through seventeen BSOD's in one night, seventy-five cups of
> coffee, and a divorce, I finally got this thing streaming at
> 576k, upconverting through three Lavry Blue DAC's in series,
> then crunching to 12-bit though a Fairlight CMI Series 1,
> paralleled with an EMT Plate reverb and back in through a set
> of ADC's a friend of mine made from a toaster (note if you're
> going to try this: the older, black bakelite toasters sound
> WAAAY better than the newer silverface stainless steel ones),
> I then tried using a "warming" circuit built from a magnetron
> tube out of a 1972 Amana microwave oven, and lo & behold, it's
> WORKING!!!"
>
> (Five minutes later at 4:05am): "Damn, this #*&#%$&^%^@ setup
> just started smoking & caught my Behringer Headphones on fire
> as I was trying some new mix techniques... or was it the
> headphones that caught the rig on fire - they ARE Behringers,
> after all? Anyway, it's a good thing that I'm pretty much a
> cueball up there, or else I'd feel like Michael Jackson in that
> Pepsi commercial. More later, I'm going to bed now - good thing
> Amy left me, or else I'd have to sleep on the couch, what with
> me smelling like a fireplace & all. Oh well, at least I have
> the dogs."
>
> Later that same morning at 6:00 am = "ARGH! It's only 5:59 and
> already this is the day from hell! The dogs kicked me out of
> bed, I tried going out into the stable, thinking Amy had taken
> the horses with her & at least I'd have some peace & quiet
> there, but between the horses kicking me, the bears rummaging
> around in the trash bins outside, and this muthaf^%#king skunk
> that just HAD to make his presence known, I didn't sleep a
> wink... well, off to the bathtub to soak in some peroxide &
> tomato juice to try & get this skunk smell off of me... I've
> got clients coming in at 10:00 for a mix session."
>
> Next day in the afternoon = "Whew! Man, I am exhausted, 176
> hours straight with no sleep, and with the problems I'm having
> with this rig, I don't think we got a viable mix down on ANY of
> their songs... because of the fire in the new PC, I went back
> to a Paris/Cubase mix matrix summed to a TASCAM Portastudio for
> that phat analog sound, and everything was going well until I
> tried to get the Portastudio sync'ed to a word clock -
> disaster... I was so sleepy that I didn't realize this was an
> impossibility... BTW, anyone know how to unwedge a BNC cable
> from an RCA audio-in jack once they've been super-glued to each
> other???"
>
> :D
>
>
>
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| Re: MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [message #73949 is a reply to message #73942] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 02:52 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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say it ain't so mr. simplicity...you're the best day/night time soap
out there.
please reconsider
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:03:16 -0600, "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>These are the blessings of a never boring life Neil (and Amy's still
>hanging in there, bless her heart.)
>;o)
>
>Actually....I'm getting a bit bored with trying to do what may be possible
>but is hitting the point of diminishing returns as far as the PITA factor is
>concerned.
>
>I'm going to reconfigure a few projects to mix here in Cubase with 8 stems
>bussed to Paris submix 1 for summing. I think I can achieve the same mojo
>without all the convoluted voodoo routing between the two DAWs. If that's
>the case, I'll likely stop the madness. I'm gettin' kinda tired of this to
>be honest.
>
>I've got one more experiment to try with Forte though. It may put this whole
>thing over the top. Stay tuned.
>
>;o)
>
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452edd97$1@linux...
>>
>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>> >It's possible to route virtual instruments directly to Paris audio
>channels
>> >and play in real time. Bye Bye needing Cubase as a VSi host in tracking
>> >sessions.
>>
>> Omigod, Lamont... look what you've started!
>>
>> This week = Deej being excited about this new app, loving it in
>> every regard, thrilling in it's versatility.
>>
>> Next week = "Hmmm, I wish there was this ONE little other thing
>> I could get it to do... I'm gonna try reconfiguring this a bit;
>> I'll keep you guys posted."
>>
>> Next week in some 4:00 in the morning post = "OK, after going
>> through seventeen BSOD's in one night, seventy-five cups of
>> coffee, and a divorce, I finally got this thing streaming at
>> 576k, upconverting through three Lavry Blue DAC's in series,
>> then crunching to 12-bit though a Fairlight CMI Series 1,
>> paralleled with an EMT Plate reverb and back in through a set
>> of ADC's a friend of mine made from a toaster (note if you're
>> going to try this: the older, black bakelite toasters sound
>> WAAAY better than the newer silverface stainless steel ones),
>> I then tried using a "warming" circuit built from a magnetron
>> tube out of a 1972 Amana microwave oven, and lo & behold, it's
>> WORKING!!!"
>>
>> (Five minutes later at 4:05am): "Damn, this #*&#%$&^%^@ setup
>> just started smoking & caught my Behringer Headphones on fire
>> as I was trying some new mix techniques... or was it the
>> headphones that caught the rig on fire - they ARE Behringers,
>> after all? Anyway, it's a good thing that I'm pretty much a
>> cueball up there, or else I'd feel like Michael Jackson in that
>> Pepsi commercial. More later, I'm going to bed now - good thing
>> Amy left me, or else I'd have to sleep on the couch, what with
>> me smelling like a fireplace & all. Oh well, at least I have
>> the dogs."
>>
>> Later that same morning at 6:00 am = "ARGH! It's only 5:59 and
>> already this is the day from hell! The dogs kicked me out of
>> bed, I tried going out into the stable, thinking Amy had taken
>> the horses with her & at least I'd have some peace & quiet
>> there, but between the horses kicking me, the bears rummaging
>> around in the trash bins outside, and this muthaf^%#king skunk
>> that just HAD to make his presence known, I didn't sleep a
>> wink... well, off to the bathtub to soak in some peroxide &
>> tomato juice to try & get this skunk smell off of me... I've
>> got clients coming in at 10:00 for a mix session."
>>
>> Next day in the afternoon = "Whew! Man, I am exhausted, 176
>> hours straight with no sleep, and with the problems I'm having
>> with this rig, I don't think we got a viable mix down on ANY of
>> their songs... because of the fire in the new PC, I went back
>> to a Paris/Cubase mix matrix summed to a TASCAM Portastudio for
>> that phat analog sound, and everything was going well until I
>> tried to get the Portastudio sync'ed to a word clock -
>> disaster... I was so sleepy that I didn't realize this was an
>> impossibility... BTW, anyone know how to unwedge a BNC cable
>> from an RCA audio-in jack once they've been super-glued to each
>> other???"
>>
>> :D
>>
>>
>>
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| Re: MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [message #73954 is a reply to message #73937] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 06:53 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Lol!!!! You are soo right :)
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>It's possible to route virtual instruments directly to Paris audio channels
>>and play in real time. Bye Bye needing Cubase as a VSi host in tracking
>>sessions.
>
>Omigod, Lamont... look what you've started!
>
>This week = Deej being excited about this new app, loving it in
>every regard, thrilling in it's versatility.
>
>Next week = "Hmmm, I wish there was this ONE little other thing
>I could get it to do... I'm gonna try reconfiguring this a bit;
>I'll keep you guys posted."
>
>Next week in some 4:00 in the morning post = "OK, after going
>through seventeen BSOD's in one night, seventy-five cups of
>coffee, and a divorce, I finally got this thing streaming at
>576k, upconverting through three Lavry Blue DAC's in series,
>then crunching to 12-bit though a Fairlight CMI Series 1,
>paralleled with an EMT Plate reverb and back in through a set
>of ADC's a friend of mine made from a toaster (note if you're
>going to try this: the older, black bakelite toasters sound
>WAAAY better than the newer silverface stainless steel ones),
>I then tried using a "warming" circuit built from a magnetron
>tube out of a 1972 Amana microwave oven, and lo & behold, it's
>WORKING!!!"
>
>(Five minutes later at 4:05am): "Damn, this #*&#%$&^%^@ setup
>just started smoking & caught my Behringer Headphones on fire
>as I was trying some new mix techniques... or was it the
>headphones that caught the rig on fire - they ARE Behringers,
>after all? Anyway, it's a good thing that I'm pretty much a
>cueball up there, or else I'd feel like Michael Jackson in that
>Pepsi commercial. More later, I'm going to bed now - good thing
>Amy left me, or else I'd have to sleep on the couch, what with
>me smelling like a fireplace & all. Oh well, at least I have
>the dogs."
>
>Later that same morning at 6:00 am = "ARGH! It's only 5:59 and
>already this is the day from hell! The dogs kicked me out of
>bed, I tried going out into the stable, thinking Amy had taken
>the horses with her & at least I'd have some peace & quiet
>there, but between the horses kicking me, the bears rummaging
>around in the trash bins outside, and this muthaf^%#king skunk
>that just HAD to make his presence known, I didn't sleep a
>wink... well, off to the bathtub to soak in some peroxide &
>tomato juice to try & get this skunk smell off of me... I've
>got clients coming in at 10:00 for a mix session."
>
>Next day in the afternoon = "Whew! Man, I am exhausted, 176
>hours straight with no sleep, and with the problems I'm having
>with this rig, I don't think we got a viable mix down on ANY of
>their songs... because of the fire in the new PC, I went back
>to a Paris/Cubase mix matrix summed to a TASCAM Portastudio for
>that phat analog sound, and everything was going well until I
>tried to get the Portastudio sync'ed to a word clock -
>disaster... I was so sleepy that I didn't realize this was an
>impossibility... BTW, anyone know how to unwedge a BNC cable
>from an RCA audio-in jack once they've been super-glued to each
>other???"
>
>:D
>
>
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| Re: MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [message #73970 is a reply to message #73942] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 09:42 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Deej, you know I'm just giving you a hard time... rock on with
yer bad mad-scientist self!
Neil
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>These are the blessings of a never boring life Neil (and Amy's still
>hanging in there, bless her heart.)
>;o)
>
>Actually....I'm getting a bit bored with trying to do what may be possible
>but is hitting the point of diminishing returns as far as the PITA factor
is
>concerned.
>
>I'm going to reconfigure a few projects to mix here in Cubase with 8 stems
>bussed to Paris submix 1 for summing. I think I can achieve the same mojo
>without all the convoluted voodoo routing between the two DAWs. If that's
>the case, I'll likely stop the madness. I'm gettin' kinda tired of this
to
>be honest.
>
>I've got one more experiment to try with Forte though. It may put this whole
>thing over the top. Stay tuned.
>
>;o)
>
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452edd97$1@linux...
>>
>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>> >It's possible to route virtual instruments directly to Paris audio
>channels
>> >and play in real time. Bye Bye needing Cubase as a VSi host in tracking
>> >sessions.
>>
>> Omigod, Lamont... look what you've started!
>>
>> This week = Deej being excited about this new app, loving it in
>> every regard, thrilling in it's versatility.
>>
>> Next week = "Hmmm, I wish there was this ONE little other thing
>> I could get it to do... I'm gonna try reconfiguring this a bit;
>> I'll keep you guys posted."
>>
>> Next week in some 4:00 in the morning post = "OK, after going
>> through seventeen BSOD's in one night, seventy-five cups of
>> coffee, and a divorce, I finally got this thing streaming at
>> 576k, upconverting through three Lavry Blue DAC's in series,
>> then crunching to 12-bit though a Fairlight CMI Series 1,
>> paralleled with an EMT Plate reverb and back in through a set
>> of ADC's a friend of mine made from a toaster (note if you're
>> going to try this: the older, black bakelite toasters sound
>> WAAAY better than the newer silverface stainless steel ones),
>> I then tried using a "warming" circuit built from a magnetron
>> tube out of a 1972 Amana microwave oven, and lo & behold, it's
>> WORKING!!!"
>>
>> (Five minutes later at 4:05am): "Damn, this #*&#%$&^%^@ setup
>> just started smoking & caught my Behringer Headphones on fire
>> as I was trying some new mix techniques... or was it the
>> headphones that caught the rig on fire - they ARE Behringers,
>> after all? Anyway, it's a good thing that I'm pretty much a
>> cueball up there, or else I'd feel like Michael Jackson in that
>> Pepsi commercial. More later, I'm going to bed now - good thing
>> Amy left me, or else I'd have to sleep on the couch, what with
>> me smelling like a fireplace & all. Oh well, at least I have
>> the dogs."
>>
>> Later that same morning at 6:00 am = "ARGH! It's only 5:59 and
>> already this is the day from hell! The dogs kicked me out of
>> bed, I tried going out into the stable, thinking Amy had taken
>> the horses with her & at least I'd have some peace & quiet
>> there, but between the horses kicking me, the bears rummaging
>> around in the trash bins outside, and this muthaf^%#king skunk
>> that just HAD to make his presence known, I didn't sleep a
>> wink... well, off to the bathtub to soak in some peroxide &
>> tomato juice to try & get this skunk smell off of me... I've
>> got clients coming in at 10:00 for a mix session."
>>
>> Next day in the afternoon = "Whew! Man, I am exhausted, 176
>> hours straight with no sleep, and with the problems I'm having
>> with this rig, I don't think we got a viable mix down on ANY of
>> their songs... because of the fire in the new PC, I went back
>> to a Paris/Cubase mix matrix summed to a TASCAM Portastudio for
>> that phat analog sound, and everything was going well until I
>> tried to get the Portastudio sync'ed to a word clock -
>> disaster... I was so sleepy that I didn't realize this was an
>> impossibility... BTW, anyone know how to unwedge a BNC cable
>> from an RCA audio-in jack once they've been super-glued to each
>> other???"
>>
>> :D
>>
>>
>>
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| OK....developers license in hand...here goes...... [message #73992 is a reply to message #73924] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 11:58 |
animix
Messages: 356
Registered: September 2006
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I e-mailed the folks at Brainspawn this morning describing my setup and
telling them what I was hoping to do with Forte vis-a-vis Paris. They are
interested to see how this goes and they provided me a developers license so
I can try to get this happening.
Now that I've got a full version that saves presets and won't time out, the
first thing I'm going to do is to try to create preset FX rack for Paris
using UAD-1 plugins with the Delaycomp + an additional sample delay (which
is possible with this plugin) to compensate for the buffer settings of the
native audio interface. I'm going to work my way up to a 40 channel scenario
with 8 stereo aux busses to/from Paris. The Delaycomp will be set to
compensate for 4 or 5 UAD-1 plugins (this may chage depending on how much
latency is created and how this translates to the Paris editor timeline
usability-wise). I'll be doing some latency measurements to see if it's
going to be something that can work reasonably well when working with Paris
automation while mixing. If the latency is low enough to allow usable visual
reference in the Paris editor during automation tasks, then we've got
something we can use, so as I mentioned before, the number of plugins
possible will be more or less dependent on the *feel* of all of this. The
routing capabilities of this program are mind boggling and may provide us
the elusive bussing options that we currently lack in Paris. If this looks
like it's going to be successful, I'll make up a few templates and get them
to Kim so Parisites can DL them for use with the Forte product. I can even
envision this working with a native audio interface running on the same
machine as Paris (thus precluing the need for two DAWs), as long as it had
the horsepower. If it works the way I'm hoping, this would allow you to
open up a template that is preset to compensate for "X" number of plugins on
each track that is routed from the I/O of a DAW running UAD-1 plugins and
Forte to the I/O of Paris. I think I may be able to get multiple external
hardware processors working across Paris submixes...like I'm doing with
Cubase right now. It appears that Forte has some synchronization options
as well. I'm not far enough into it to even know if plugin parameters can be
automated, but if so, and it is slaved to the Paris timeline, then that's
another biggie. Will it be stable? .............well, anything would be more
stable than what is happening when trying to work this way with Cubase SX so
it's worth a try. Will it sound good? Not sure. there will definitely be
more gainstaging issues than what is happening in SX, but hey.....we're
supposed to be engineers and it's our job to kick some gainstage
ass!!!!!........right?
Putting on the lab coat (which has straps to modify it as a straightjacket)
.. Stay tuned,
:O)
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:452e9d5c$1@linux...
>
> DJ, check out this VST host app. Could replace your Cuabse SX in hosting
FX.
>
> http://www.brainspawn.com/products/
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| Re: OK....developers license in hand...here goes...... [message #73998 is a reply to message #73992] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 12:26 |
Larry Upton
Messages: 30
Registered: October 2006
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Why do I envision Gene Wilder in "Young Frankenstein" with the lightning
striking around him, crying out "It's Alive! It's Alive!", every time I
read one of DJ's messages?
Rock on, dude....
Larry Upton
DJ wrote:
> I e-mailed the folks at Brainspawn this morning describing my setup and
> telling them what I was hoping to do with Forte vis-a-vis Paris. They are
> interested to see how this goes and they provided me a developers license so
> I can try to get this happening.
>
> Now that I've got a full version that saves presets and won't time out, the
> first thing I'm going to do is to try to create preset FX rack for Paris
> using UAD-1 plugins with the Delaycomp + an additional sample delay (which
> is possible with this plugin) to compensate for the buffer settings of the
> native audio interface. I'm going to work my way up to a 40 channel scenario
> with 8 stereo aux busses to/from Paris. The Delaycomp will be set to
> compensate for 4 or 5 UAD-1 plugins (this may chage depending on how much
> latency is created and how this translates to the Paris editor timeline
> usability-wise). I'll be doing some latency measurements to see if it's
> going to be something that can work reasonably well when working with Paris
> automation while mixing. If the latency is low enough to allow usable visual
> reference in the Paris editor during automation tasks, then we've got
> something we can use, so as I mentioned before, the number of plugins
> possible will be more or less dependent on the *feel* of all of this. The
> routing capabilities of this program are mind boggling and may provide us
> the elusive bussing options that we currently lack in Paris. If this looks
> like it's going to be successful, I'll make up a few templates and get them
> to Kim so Parisites can DL them for use with the Forte product. I can even
> envision this working with a native audio interface running on the same
> machine as Paris (thus precluing the need for two DAWs), as long as it had
> the horsepower. If it works the way I'm hoping, this would allow you to
> open up a template that is preset to compensate for "X" number of plugins on
> each track that is routed from the I/O of a DAW running UAD-1 plugins and
> Forte to the I/O of Paris. I think I may be able to get multiple external
> hardware processors working across Paris submixes...like I'm doing with
> Cubase right now. It appears that Forte has some synchronization options
> as well. I'm not far enough into it to even know if plugin parameters can be
> automated, but if so, and it is slaved to the Paris timeline, then that's
> another biggie. Will it be stable? .............well, anything would be more
> stable than what is happening when trying to work this way with Cubase SX so
> it's worth a try. Will it sound good? Not sure. there will definitely be
> more gainstaging issues than what is happening in SX, but hey.....we're
> supposed to be engineers and it's our job to kick some gainstage
> ass!!!!!........right?
>
> Putting on the lab coat (which has straps to modify it as a straightjacket)
> . Stay tuned,
>
> :O)
>
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:452e9d5c$1@linux...
>
>>DJ, check out this VST host app. Could replace your Cuabse SX in hosting
>
> FX.
>
>>http://www.brainspawn.com/products/
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| Re: OK....developers license in hand...1st experiment a success. [message #74000 is a reply to message #73998] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 13:58 |
animix
Messages: 356
Registered: September 2006
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Well....good news so far. The buffer/latency of the audio interface on the
native DAW is set at 512k. If I nudge the Paris tracks to the left by 10+1
samples and then insert a Sampleslide instance on both of these tracks set
to 48 samples, I am sample accurate compensating for the latency of the
native audio interface. Now here's the good part:
I have the UAD-1 delay compensation set for 5 x UAD-1 plugins on two
instances of Forte routing audio through two Paris kick drum tracks right
now. I've got Drumagog inserted on both tracks and a UAD-1 LA-2A inserted on
the other. I set the UAD-1 Delaycomp to compensate for 4 plugins and I'm
locked on tight as a ....well......drum.....and the latency relative to the
timeline scrolling across the Paris editor is not a factor at all. I hear
the hits as the events are displayed on the editor. this makes Paris
automation usable with up to 5 UAD-1 plugins on a track. This was the first
experiment......to see if it's possible to load lots of UAD-1 plugins on a
track and still be able to use Paris fader automation relative to the
timeline of the editor as the timeline scrolls during playback. If this
didn't work I was going to bail immediately since my whole point of this is
to achieve something that is actually practical using Paris automation.
Now I'm going to get brutal with Forte/my native DAW and streaming from
different submixes and see if I have any of the freezeups that I was having
with Cubase SX.
(rubbing palms of hands together with evil
glee!!!)...........MUHAHAHA!!!!..........c'mon Igor.......let's get a pair
of pliers and a blowtorch and get midevil on it's ass..........
;o)
"Larry Upton" <lupton@kpbs.org> wrote in message news:452fe661$1@linux...
> Why do I envision Gene Wilder in "Young Frankenstein" with the lightning
> striking around him, crying out "It's Alive! It's Alive!", every time I
> read one of DJ's messages?
>
> Rock on, dude....
>
> Larry Upton
>
> DJ wrote:
> > I e-mailed the folks at Brainspawn this morning describing my setup and
> > telling them what I was hoping to do with Forte vis-a-vis Paris. They
are
> > interested to see how this goes and they provided me a developers
license so
> > I can try to get this happening.
> >
> > Now that I've got a full version that saves presets and won't time out,
the
> > first thing I'm going to do is to try to create preset FX rack for Paris
> > using UAD-1 plugins with the Delaycomp + an additional sample delay
(which
> > is possible with this plugin) to compensate for the buffer settings of
the
> > native audio interface. I'm going to work my way up to a 40 channel
scenario
> > with 8 stereo aux busses to/from Paris. The Delaycomp will be set to
> > compensate for 4 or 5 UAD-1 plugins (this may chage depending on how
much
> > latency is created and how this translates to the Paris editor timeline
> > usability-wise). I'll be doing some latency measurements to see if it's
> > going to be something that can work reasonably well when working with
Paris
> > automation while mixing. If the latency is low enough to allow usable
visual
> > reference in the Paris editor during automation tasks, then we've got
> > something we can use, so as I mentioned before, the number of plugins
> > possible will be more or less dependent on the *feel* of all of this.
The
> > routing capabilities of this program are mind boggling and may provide
us
> > the elusive bussing options that we currently lack in Paris. If this
looks
> > like it's going to be successful, I'll make up a few templates and get
them
> > to Kim so Parisites can DL them for use with the Forte product. I can
even
> > envision this working with a native audio interface running on the same
> > machine as Paris (thus precluing the need for two DAWs), as long as it
had
> > the horsepower. If it works the way I'm hoping, this would allow you to
> > open up a template that is preset to compensate for "X" number of
plugins on
> > each track that is routed from the I/O of a DAW running UAD-1 plugins
and
> > Forte to the I/O of Paris. I think I may be able to get multiple
external
> > hardware processors working across Paris submixes...like I'm doing with
> > Cubase right now. It appears that Forte has some synchronization
options
> > as well. I'm not far enough into it to even know if plugin parameters
can be
> > automated, but if so, and it is slaved to the Paris timeline, then
that's
> > another biggie. Will it be stable? .............well, anything would be
more
> > stable than what is happening when trying to work this way with Cubase
SX so
> > it's worth a try. Will it sound good? Not sure. there will definitely be
> > more gainstaging issues than what is happening in SX, but hey.....we're
> > supposed to be engineers and it's our job to kick some gainstage
> > ass!!!!!........right?
> >
> > Putting on the lab coat (which has straps to modify it as a
straightjacket)
> > . Stay tuned,
> >
> > :O)
> >
> >
> > "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:452e9d5c$1@linux...
> >
> >>DJ, check out this VST host app. Could replace your Cuabse SX in hosting
> >
> > FX.
> >
> >>http://www.brainspawn.com/products/
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Re: OK....developers license in hand...1st experiment a success. [message #74001 is a reply to message #74000] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 14:04 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>Well....good news so far. The buffer/latency of the audio interface on
the
>native DAW is set at 512k. If I nudge the Paris tracks to the left by 10+1
>samples and then insert a Sampleslide instance on both of these tracks set
>to 48 samples, I am sample accurate compensating for the latency of the
>native audio interface. Now here's the good part:
>I have the UAD-1 delay compensation set for 5 x UAD-1 plugins on two
>instances of Forte routing audio through two Paris kick drum tracks right
>now. I've got Drumagog inserted on both tracks and a UAD-1 LA-2A inserted
on
>the other. I set the UAD-1 Delaycomp to compensate for 4 plugins and I'm
>locked on tight as a ....well......drum.....and the latency relative to
the
>timeline scrolling across the Paris editor is not a factor at all. I hear
>the hits as the events are displayed on the editor. this makes Paris
>automation usable with up to 5 UAD-1 plugins on a track. This was the first
>experiment......to see if it's possible to load lots of UAD-1 plugins on
a
>track and still be able to use Paris fader automation relative to the
>timeline of the editor as the timeline scrolls during playback. If this
>didn't work I was going to bail immediately since my whole point of this
is
>to achieve something that is actually practical using Paris automation.
>
>Now I'm going to get brutal with Forte/my native DAW and streaming from
>different submixes and see if I have any of the freezeups that I was having
>with Cubase SX.
>
>(rubbing palms of hands together with evil
>glee!!!)...........MUHAHAHA!!!!..........c'mon Igor.......let's get a pair
>of pliers and a blowtorch and get midevil on it's ass..........
>
>;o)
>
Doctor Deej, your going to make me switch my Paris rig to PC,..... aren't
you?
James
>
>"Larry Upton" <lupton@kpbs.org> wrote in message news:452fe661$1@linux...
>> Why do I envision Gene Wilder in "Young Frankenstein" with the lightning
>> striking around him, crying out "It's Alive! It's Alive!", every time
I
>> read one of DJ's messages?
>>
>> Rock on, dude....
>>
>> Larry Upton
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>> > I e-mailed the folks at Brainspawn this morning describing my setup
and
>> > telling them what I was hoping to do with Forte vis-a-vis Paris. They
>are
>> > interested to see how this goes and they provided me a developers
>license so
>> > I can try to get this happening.
>> >
>> > Now that I've got a full version that saves presets and won't time out,
>the
>> > first thing I'm going to do is to try to create preset FX rack for Paris
>> > using UAD-1 plugins with the Delaycomp + an additional sample delay
>(which
>> > is possible with this plugin) to compensate for the buffer settings
of
>the
>> > native audio interface. I'm going to work my way up to a 40 channel
>scenario
>> > with 8 stereo aux busses to/from Paris. The Delaycomp will be set to
>> > compensate for 4 or 5 UAD-1 plugins (this may chage depending on how
>much
>> > latency is created and how this translates to the Paris editor timeline
>> > usability-wise). I'll be doing some latency measurements to see if
it's
>> > going to be something that can work reasonably well when working with
>Paris
>> > automation while mixing. If the latency is low enough to allow usable
>visual
>> > reference in the Paris editor during automation tasks, then we've got
>> > something we can use, so as I mentioned before, the number of plugins
>> > possible will be more or less dependent on the *feel* of all of this.
>The
>> > routing capabilities of this program are mind boggling and may provide
>us
>> > the elusive bussing options that we currently lack in Paris. If this
>looks
>> > like it's going to be successful, I'll make up a few templates and get
>them
>> > to Kim so Parisites can DL them for use with the Forte product. I can
>even
>> > envision this working with a native audio interface running on the same
>> > machine as Paris (thus precluing the need for two DAWs), as long as
it
>had
>> > the horsepower. If it works the way I'm hoping, this would allow you
to
>> > open up a template that is preset to compensate for "X" number of
>plugins on
>> > each track that is routed from the I/O of a DAW running UAD-1 plugins
>and
>> > Forte to the I/O of Paris. I think I may be able to get multiple
>external
>> > hardware processors working across Paris submixes...like I'm doing with
>> > Cubase right now. It appears that Forte has some synchronization
>options
>> > as well. I'm not far enough into it to even know if plugin parameters
>can be
>> > automated, but if so, and it is slaved to the Paris timeline, then
>that's
>> > another biggie. Will it be stable? .............well, anything would
be
>more
>> > stable than what is happening when trying to work this way with Cubase
>SX so
>> > it's worth a try. Will it sound good? Not sure. there will definitely
be
>> > more gainstaging issues than what is happening in SX, but hey.....we're
>> > supposed to be engineers and it's our job to kick some gainstage
>> > ass!!!!!........right?
>> >
>> > Putting on the lab coat (which has straps to modify it as a
>straightjacket)
>> > . Stay tuned,
>> >
>> > :O)
>> >
>> >
>> > "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>news:452e9d5c$1@linux...
>> >
>> >>DJ, check out this VST host app. Could replace your Cuabse SX in hosting
>> >
>> > FX.
>> >
>> >>http://www.brainspawn.com/products/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
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| Re: OK....developers license in hand...1st experiment a success. [message #74003 is a reply to message #74001] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 14:59 |
animix
Messages: 356
Registered: September 2006
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Yes. I've got 12 drum tracks cranking through various combinations of UAD-1
plugins. They're absolutely slammin' with no drift/slop at all and the
editor is scrolling right along with the audible hits on the events with 5
plugins compensated on all 12 tracks. The CPU meter on the DAW running Forte
is idiling between 2% and 3% while processing these 12 tracks.
I'm having a problem with the menu's in forte right now. I've got 72 I/O on
my native rig. They show up in stereo pairs and then below as mono I/O. When
I go to choose an output for a new bus, I can't go beyond 12 before the menu
runs out at the bottom of my screen. I've got a post in to the developer
about this right now. Also, I'm seeing something that leads me to believe
that it may only be possible to create 15 busses in this app. I'm not sure
about this yet but that's gonna limit a few things as I need to be able to
create a bus for *every* Paris track in order for this to work the way I
need it to so I'm gonna need 36 mono busses and 10 stereo busses.
......back to the lab........I'm getting ready to torture my UAD-1
cards..............muhahahaha!!!!!!
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:452fff68$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
> >Well....good news so far. The buffer/latency of the audio interface on
> the
> >native DAW is set at 512k. If I nudge the Paris tracks to the left by
10+1
> >samples and then insert a Sampleslide instance on both of these tracks
set
> >to 48 samples, I am sample accurate compensating for the latency of the
> >native audio interface. Now here's the good part:
> >I have the UAD-1 delay compensation set for 5 x UAD-1 plugins on two
> >instances of Forte routing audio through two Paris kick drum tracks right
> >now. I've got Drumagog inserted on both tracks and a UAD-1 LA-2A inserted
> on
> >the other. I set the UAD-1 Delaycomp to compensate for 4 plugins and I'm
> >locked on tight as a ....well......drum.....and the latency relative to
> the
> >timeline scrolling across the Paris editor is not a factor at all. I hear
> >the hits as the events are displayed on the editor. this makes Paris
> >automation usable with up to 5 UAD-1 plugins on a track. This was the
first
> >experiment......to see if it's possible to load lots of UAD-1 plugins on
> a
> >track and still be able to use Paris fader automation relative to the
> >timeline of the editor as the timeline scrolls during playback. If this
> >didn't work I was going to bail immediately since my whole point of this
> is
> >to achieve something that is actually practical using Paris automation.
> >
> >Now I'm going to get brutal with Forte/my native DAW and streaming from
> >different submixes and see if I have any of the freezeups that I was
having
> >with Cubase SX.
> >
> >(rubbing palms of hands together with evil
> >glee!!!)...........MUHAHAHA!!!!..........c'mon Igor.......let's get a
pair
> >of pliers and a blowtorch and get midevil on it's ass..........
> >
> >;o)
> >
>
> Doctor Deej, your going to make me switch my Paris rig to PC,..... aren't
> you?
>
> James
> >
> >"Larry Upton" <lupton@kpbs.org> wrote in message news:452fe661$1@linux...
> >> Why do I envision Gene Wilder in "Young Frankenstein" with the
lightning
> >> striking around him, crying out "It's Alive! It's Alive!", every time
> I
> >> read one of DJ's messages?
> >>
> >> Rock on, dude....
> >>
> >> Larry Upton
> >>
> >> DJ wrote:
> >> > I e-mailed the folks at Brainspawn this morning describing my setup
> and
> >> > telling them what I was hoping to do with Forte vis-a-vis Paris. They
> >are
> >> > interested to see how this goes and they provided me a developers
> >license so
> >> > I can try to get this happening.
> >> >
> >> > Now that I've got a full version that saves presets and won't time
out,
> >the
> >> > first thing I'm going to do is to try to create preset FX rack for
Paris
> >> > using UAD-1 plugins with the Delaycomp + an additional sample delay
> >(which
> >> > is possible with this plugin) to compensate for the buffer settings
> of
> >the
> >> > native audio interface. I'm going to work my way up to a 40 channel
> >scenario
> >> > with 8 stereo aux busses to/from Paris. The Delaycomp will be set to
> >> > compensate for 4 or 5 UAD-1 plugins (this may chage depending on how
> >much
> >> > latency is created and how this translates to the Paris editor
timeline
> >> > usability-wise). I'll be doing some latency measurements to see if
> it's
> >> > going to be something that can work reasonably well when working with
> >Paris
> >> > automation while mixing. If the latency is low enough to allow usable
> >visual
> >> > reference in the Paris editor during automation tasks, then we've got
> >> > something we can use, so as I mentioned before, the number of plugins
> >> > possible will be more or less dependent on the *feel* of all of this.
> >The
> >> > routing capabilities of this program are mind boggling and may
provide
> >us
> >> > the elusive bussing options that we currently lack in Paris. If this
> >looks
> >> > like it's going to be successful, I'll make up a few templates and
get
> >them
> >> > to Kim so Parisites can DL them for use with the Forte product. I can
> >even
> >> > envision this working with a native audio interface running on the
same
> >> > machine as Paris (thus precluing the need for two DAWs), as long as
> it
> >had
> >> > the horsepower. If it works the way I'm hoping, this would allow you
> to
> >> > open up a template that is preset to compensate for "X" number of
> >plugins on
> >> > each track that is routed from the I/O of a DAW running UAD-1 plugins
> >and
> >> > Forte to the I/O of Paris. I think I may be able to get multiple
> >external
> >> > hardware processors working across Paris submixes...like I'm doing
with
> >> > Cubase right now. It appears that Forte has some synchronization
> >options
> >> > as well. I'm not far enough into it to even know if plugin parameters
> >can be
> >> > automated, but if so, and it is slaved to the Paris timeline, then
> >that's
> >> > another biggie. Will it be stable? .............well, anything would
> be
> >more
> >> > stable than what is happening when trying to work this way with
Cubase
> >SX so
> >> > it's worth a try. Will it sound good? Not sure. there will definitely
> be
> >> > more gainstaging issues than what is happening in SX, but
hey.....we're
> >> > supposed to be engineers and it's our job to kick some gainstage
> >> > ass!!!!!........right?
> >> >
> >> > Putting on the lab coat (which has straps to modify it as a
> >straightjacket)
> >> > . Stay tuned,
> >> >
> >> > :O)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> >news:452e9d5c$1@linux...
> >> >
> >> >>DJ, check out this VST host app. Could replace your Cuabse SX in
hosting
> >> >
> >> > FX.
> >> >
> >> >>http://www.brainspawn.com/products/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| Re: MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [message #74223 is a reply to message #73937] |
Mon, 16 October 2006 16:18 |
Paul Braun
Messages: 391
Registered: September 2005
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On 13 Oct 2006 10:28:07 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Next day in the afternoon = "Whew! Man, I am exhausted, 176
>hours straight with no sleep, and with the problems I'm having
>with this rig, I don't think we got a viable mix down on ANY of
>their songs... because of the fire in the new PC, I went back
>to a Paris/Cubase mix matrix summed to a TASCAM Portastudio for
>that phat analog sound, and everything was going well until I
>tried to get the Portastudio sync'ed to a word clock -
>disaster... I was so sleepy that I didn't realize this was an
>impossibility... BTW, anyone know how to unwedge a BNC cable
>from an RCA audio-in jack once they've been super-glued to each
>other???"
>
ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!
This is truly classic.
pab
(and not far from the truth, either....)
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