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| Re: most versatile guitar [message #86712 is a reply to message #86710] |
Fri, 15 June 2007 22:36   |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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That sounds like a great setup, Bill.
I have a friend who uses a Tonelab through a Bose L1 system for prog and
fusion stuff and he gets excellent tone and response even without a tube
power amp or guitar speaker. So that's possible, too.
I haven't tried the Tonelab myself but I'm impressed with what he gets
out of it.
For my gigs the GNX4 fills multiple roles: I use it as a guitar preamp,
guitar/violin multi-FX box, mic preamp, vocal/instrument mixer, direct
box and live multitracker. It does all that. Kim can probably relate (he
uses one also).
I run my GNX4 direct to the house PA via the balanced XLR output and it
sounds consistently great out front (I can go mono or stereo).
I monitor onstage using the house monitoring system, or through an EV
12" 2 way PA speaker/monitor that I bring, or if I want to travel light,
through a Galaxy powered hot spot on a mic stand at Guitar height (for
easy controlled feedback) - aimed at my ears (lets me keep stage volume
down but I can still make the guitar sing). In all cases, I can keep
stage volume under control and there's no "spotlight" of loud guitar
hitting any part of the audience from the stack I don't use. :^) So the
house engineer really has total control of the mix and the mix is
consistent throughout the FOH.
If there's no house PA (small gigs) I can throw the EV on a pole and
cover the house, or even add its twin and make everyone go deaf with
guitar crunching goodness.
The key for going direct to the PA with the GNX4 and getting great tone
is to turn on the internal speaker emulation, and to program the patches
while listening through a full range system (I use my studio monitors).
Because I also run my violin, my vocals (the GNX4 has a mic preamp), my
guitar synth and sometimes my keyboard through the GNX4, I actually
require full range monitoring rather than just a guitar speaker. However
when I'm just playing guitar at a band gig, I could probably get away
with using a non-full-range guitar speaker. But since the GNX4 sings
just fine without it I haven't felt compelled to haul my 2x12 cab to
gigs. For my particular setup it's just not needed.
However 2x12 sounds great with my heavily modded bassman 50 head! But
that rig no longer has to take the abuse of gigging.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Bill L wrote:
> My best results with emulators are when I run them through a quality
> tube power amp and a good speaker. I use a Mesa Satellite 60, and have
> used an Atomic Reactor. Both lift the cold emulations to the realm of
> great amp sounds IMHO.
>
> I could not use my Tonelab straight into the board. It does not breath
> for me.
>
> Jamie K wrote:
>>
>> DC wrote:
>>> One more thing. I offered to let one of the modeler companies use my
>>> 1968 HIWATT as a reference to make an emulation, and they admitted
>>> that they really couldn't get it all that close.
>>
>> Which modeler company?
>>
>>
>>> They are fine unless you
>>> are building the whole song around the guitar.
>>
>> Unless you create a sound using a modeler that makes the song, which
>> is entirely possible IMO.
>>
>>
>>> Which of course is why AC/DC don't use 'em...
>>
>> We should all use only SGs through Marshalls then. Or whatever they
>> use. And wear English schoolboy pants. The rest is BLASPHEMY! ;^)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> heh
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>> I have a Digitech I like. One caveat though:
>>>>
>>>> If your music is built around guitar parts and if you want a
>>>> signature tone that people will quickly recognize, then
>>>> emulations are not for you.
>>>>
>>>> No one has ever done a real-sounding HIWATT emulation
>>>> either...
>>>>
>>>> DC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>> I have no problem with amp emulations. Back in 1999 when I
>>>>> unloaded all
>>>> my
>>>>> gear for money for my house re-hab, the only things I kept were my
>>>>> sans
>>>> amp
>>>>> psa 1 and peavey vmp2 pre. Chuck
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>> LOL. Get a room, you two!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I dig those guitars through a good amp, too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remember when using an electric guitar and a guitar amp was
>>>>>> heresy? They
>>>>>> booed Bob Dylan off the stage. USE A REAL GUITAR!! Heh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Flash forward and now that stuff is traditional
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I bet you would both dig my variax setup if you heard it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And Chuck, I bet you would even like what I do with amp
>>>>>> emulations, once
>>>>>> you hear some of my custom setups (which stand up to comparison
>>>>>> with my
>>>>>> tube rig).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> chuck duffy wrote:
>>>>>>> Haha I agree with you! I can't believe it!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My 2 cents. A strat, a tele and a les with a bigsby trem and
>>>>>>> locking
>>>>> nuts.
>>>>>>> Also, a must have is a gibson vintage f hole.
>>>>>>> After that an SG and a les junior.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Other areas we will agree on... USE AN AMP!
>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Some good ideas here. But I am in the "buy 2 guitars" camp.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A good LP and a hardtail strat would be the minimum.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Any suggestions on a single electric guitar that can do Strat /
>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>> Telecaster sounds or some other guitar that has an amazing
>>>>>>>>> array of
>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>> type sounds?
>>>
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| Re: most versatile guitar [message #86713 is a reply to message #86709] |
Fri, 15 June 2007 22:41 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Bill L wrote:
> I've played a PRS, but I think that is a different kind of circuit than
> what I am referring too. There is something else going on there I thought.
On the PRS they combine inner and outer coils across pickups for some of
the switch positions.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Jamie K wrote:
>> Bill L wrote:
>>> I'll check the Variax again.
>>
>> Feel free to look me up if you're ever in Denver, you can try mine.
>>
>> If not, try to get a demo of workbench (variax software) and see what
>> it's like to modify and customize the models to taste. Pretty cool.
>> For example, my modified strat model is an improvement on the stock
>> one IMO.
>>
>>
>>> Don't you find the split humbucker to be extremely weak and anemic?
>>> It has no fullness.
>>
>> Have you ever played a PRS?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>> Jamie, I'm surprised by your praise of the Variax. I found it
>>>>> disappointingly dead feeling and it seemed to have a latency in
>>>>> creating the sound.
>>>>
>>>> To each their own, but it might have been the particular variax you
>>>> played and the way it was set up. I've played some 300 models that
>>>> were terrible, sharp frets and bad action. Poor QC at the factory?
>>>> I've played others that were decent. My variax plays decently.
>>>>
>>>> Whatever very minor latency might be in my variax at normal tuning
>>>> hasn't put me off at all. It's very responsive, feels like a normal
>>>> guitar.
>>>>
>>>> When I use the transposing feature there is noticeable latency but
>>>> my brain has had no trouble adjusting. A little latency isn't a
>>>> problem per se - for example I don't have trouble adjusting to the
>>>> latency when playing with an amp stack at the back of the stage
>>>> (although I don't do that anymore, I've reformed and go for low
>>>> stage volume/close monitoring now).
>>>>
>>>> I haven't noticed a "dead feeling." The guitar feels as alive as my
>>>> other guitars. I can even get feedback (the good kind).
>>>>
>>>> In short, my variax gets good tone and is amazingly flexible. I also
>>>> added a GK3 pickup to it to drive a guitar synth at the same time,
>>>> and I use that setup with live multitracking in my solo show to
>>>> build gigantic arrangements. Very fun!
>>>>
>>>> But my PRS is my favorite guitar to play, and I take that on gigs
>>>> where I don't need to cover acoustic/electric/synth/alt tunings.
>>>> When I just need to be the electric guitar player in a band, the PRS
>>>> is flexible enough to cover a wide palette of electric guitar tones
>>>> and it's a better built guitar. Plus it has 24 frets. Plus I have
>>>> two of them in case I break a string. :^)
>>>>
>>>> When the new Roland VG99 ships I'm going to check it out. It would
>>>> let me play the PRS and still do guitar modeling. I think the variax
>>>> modeling is better than the VG88's but we'll see if Roland has
>>>> raised the bar with the new box.
>>>>
>>>> Another option would be to take variax guts and put them into a
>>>> better guitar. Like Adrian Belew did with a Parker Fly. OK I WANT
>>>> that guitar, (but not in that color). :^)
>>>>
>>>> I've considered transplanting variax guts into a custom body - which
>>>> would also let me add a 24 fret neck, but then again, my variax is
>>>> pretty decent as it is so there's no rush. If I go that route I'd
>>>> grab the guts from a 300. There's no sense gutting my expensive 700.
>>>> :^)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Also the instrument was shite and looked like a toy to me, but I
>>>>> don't think it was the expensive model. I do really like the
>>>>> concept of it - maybe I should give it another shot, but they need
>>>>> to make a pretty version. A guitar is like a woman - it should be
>>>>> as pretty as possible, don't you think.
>>>>
>>>> I dig a good looking instrument, and I have the coolest looking
>>>> variax on the planet (cherry sunburst 700). Although the very best
>>>> looking variax is the acoustic model with the natural wood top, I
>>>> love mine. But I don't sleep with either of them...much...
>>>>
>>>> My cherryburst PRS looks and plays a notch better. I've never had a
>>>> luthier setup the variax for optimal playability though (since it's
>>>> been good enough) but that's on my todo list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm also surprised by the suggestions that tapping a humbucker
>>>>> gives a decent Strat sound. I tried that in 1978 and it sucked. i
>>>>> tried it again about every 10 years since and it sucked every time.
>>>>> Can it have stopped sucking in the new millennia? I doubt it.
>>>>
>>>> Not identical to a strat sound but similar enough to play that
>>>> spanky role.
>>>>
>>>> Actually I think the PRS does it by combining inner and outer coils
>>>> from the two different pickups in various combinations. I had an
>>>> Ibanez Roadstar II that did it by splitting the coils on either
>>>> pickup with any PU combination available. I could get spanky tones
>>>> out of both. Not exactly a strat but no suckage either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If I were mostly an R&B and rock player I would do a Strat w/ a
>>>>> humbucker in the bridge. That's about the most versatile setup I
>>>>> have heard. I actually have a handmade strat with EMGs and a
>>>>> midrange boost knob that does a pretty strong lead sound and of
>>>>> course excels at shimmery rhythm sounds.
>>>>
>>>> That's a great setup. My Kramer is configured like that (although
>>>> the neck PU is a sustainer driver as well). My Steinberger has
>>>> hum/single/hum which is also a very versatile setup.
>>>>
>>>> OK, now I guess you can see I swing both ways, a collection of trad
>>>> pickup guitars AND a couple of variaxen. I use them all. Clearly I'm
>>>> addicted...
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL. Get a room, you two!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I dig those guitars through a good amp, too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remember when using an electric guitar and a guitar amp was
>>>>>> heresy? They booed Bob Dylan off the stage. USE A REAL GUITAR!! Heh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Flash forward and now that stuff is traditional
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I bet you would both dig my variax setup if you heard it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And Chuck, I bet you would even like what I do with amp
>>>>>> emulations, once you hear some of my custom setups (which stand up
>>>>>> to comparison with my tube rig).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> chuck duffy wrote:
>>>>>>> Haha I agree with you! I can't believe it!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My 2 cents. A strat, a tele and a les with a bigsby trem and
>>>>>>> locking nuts.
>>>>>>> Also, a must have is a gibson vintage f hole.
>>>>>>> After that an SG and a les junior.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Other areas we will agree on... USE AN AMP!
>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Some good ideas here. But I am in the "buy 2 guitars" camp.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A good LP and a hardtail strat would be the minimum.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Any suggestions on a single electric guitar that can do Strat /
>>>>>>>>> Les Paul
>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>> Telecaster sounds or some other guitar that has an amazing
>>>>>>>>> array of these
>>>>>>>>> type sounds?
>>>>>>>
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| Re: most versatile guitar [message #86730 is a reply to message #86712] |
Sat, 16 June 2007 06:40 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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Jamie, I really do believe you can get great tone that way. It just does
not quite get it for me. If it's a smaller gig do usually run into the
PA from the Tonelab myself, but i like to monitor through the amp to get
the tone and the stage monitoring vibe that makes me happy.
Jamie K wrote:
>
> That sounds like a great setup, Bill.
>
> I have a friend who uses a Tonelab through a Bose L1 system for prog and
> fusion stuff and he gets excellent tone and response even without a tube
> power amp or guitar speaker. So that's possible, too.
>
> I haven't tried the Tonelab myself but I'm impressed with what he gets
> out of it.
>
> For my gigs the GNX4 fills multiple roles: I use it as a guitar preamp,
> guitar/violin multi-FX box, mic preamp, vocal/instrument mixer, direct
> box and live multitracker. It does all that. Kim can probably relate (he
> uses one also).
>
> I run my GNX4 direct to the house PA via the balanced XLR output and it
> sounds consistently great out front (I can go mono or stereo).
>
> I monitor onstage using the house monitoring system, or through an EV
> 12" 2 way PA speaker/monitor that I bring, or if I want to travel light,
> through a Galaxy powered hot spot on a mic stand at Guitar height (for
> easy controlled feedback) - aimed at my ears (lets me keep stage volume
> down but I can still make the guitar sing). In all cases, I can keep
> stage volume under control and there's no "spotlight" of loud guitar
> hitting any part of the audience from the stack I don't use. :^) So the
> house engineer really has total control of the mix and the mix is
> consistent throughout the FOH.
>
> If there's no house PA (small gigs) I can throw the EV on a pole and
> cover the house, or even add its twin and make everyone go deaf with
> guitar crunching goodness.
>
> The key for going direct to the PA with the GNX4 and getting great tone
> is to turn on the internal speaker emulation, and to program the patches
> while listening through a full range system (I use my studio monitors).
>
> Because I also run my violin, my vocals (the GNX4 has a mic preamp), my
> guitar synth and sometimes my keyboard through the GNX4, I actually
> require full range monitoring rather than just a guitar speaker. However
> when I'm just playing guitar at a band gig, I could probably get away
> with using a non-full-range guitar speaker. But since the GNX4 sings
> just fine without it I haven't felt compelled to haul my 2x12 cab to
> gigs. For my particular setup it's just not needed.
>
> However 2x12 sounds great with my heavily modded bassman 50 head! But
> that rig no longer has to take the abuse of gigging.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
> Bill L wrote:
>> My best results with emulators are when I run them through a quality
>> tube power amp and a good speaker. I use a Mesa Satellite 60, and have
>> used an Atomic Reactor. Both lift the cold emulations to the realm of
>> great amp sounds IMHO.
>>
>> I could not use my Tonelab straight into the board. It does not breath
>> for me.
>>
>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>
>>> DC wrote:
>>>> One more thing. I offered to let one of the modeler companies use my
>>>> 1968 HIWATT as a reference to make an emulation, and they admitted
>>>> that they really couldn't get it all that close.
>>>
>>> Which modeler company?
>>>
>>>
>>>> They are fine unless you
>>>> are building the whole song around the guitar.
>>>
>>> Unless you create a sound using a modeler that makes the song, which
>>> is entirely possible IMO.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Which of course is why AC/DC don't use 'em...
>>>
>>> We should all use only SGs through Marshalls then. Or whatever they
>>> use. And wear English schoolboy pants. The rest is BLASPHEMY! ;^)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> heh
>>>>
>>>> DC
>>>>
>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>> I have a Digitech I like. One caveat though:
>>>>>
>>>>> If your music is built around guitar parts and if you want a
>>>>> signature tone that people will quickly recognize, then
>>>>> emulations are not for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> No one has ever done a real-sounding HIWATT emulation
>>>>> either...
>>>>>
>>>>> DC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I have no problem with amp emulations. Back in 1999 when I
>>>>>> unloaded all
>>>>> my
>>>>>> gear for money for my house re-hab, the only things I kept were my
>>>>>> sans
>>>>> amp
>>>>>> psa 1 and peavey vmp2 pre. Chuck
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> LOL. Get a room, you two!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I dig those guitars through a good amp, too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Remember when using an electric guitar and a guitar amp was
>>>>>>> heresy? They
>>>>>>> booed Bob Dylan off the stage. USE A REAL GUITAR!! Heh.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Flash forward and now that stuff is traditional
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I bet you would both dig my variax setup if you heard it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And Chuck, I bet you would even like what I do with amp
>>>>>>> emulations, once
>>>>>>> you hear some of my custom setups (which stand up to comparison
>>>>>>> with my
>>>>>>> tube rig).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> chuck duffy wrote:
>>>>>>>> Haha I agree with you! I can't believe it!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My 2 cents. A strat, a tele and a les with a bigsby trem and
>>>>>>>> locking
>>>>>> nuts.
>>>>>>>> Also, a must have is a gibson vintage f hole.
>>>>>>>> After that an SG and a les junior.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Other areas we will agree on... USE AN AMP!
>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Some good ideas here. But I am in the "buy 2 guitars" camp.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A good LP and a hardtail strat would be the minimum.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Any suggestions on a single electric guitar that can do Strat
>>>>>>>>>> / Les
>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>> Telecaster sounds or some other guitar that has an amazing
>>>>>>>>>> array of
>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>> type sounds?
>>>>
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| Re: most versatile guitar [message #86738 is a reply to message #86730] |
Sat, 16 June 2007 08:22 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Bill L wrote:
> Jamie, I really do believe you can get great tone that way. It just does
> not quite get it for me. If it's a smaller gig do usually run into the
> PA from the Tonelab myself, but i like to monitor through the amp to get
> the tone and the stage monitoring vibe that makes me happy.
Absolutely. We all find what works for us.
There are plenty of options these days. More than I have time to
evaluate. So it's great to hear what works for you, and I'm happy to
share what works for me.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Jamie K wrote:
>>
>> That sounds like a great setup, Bill.
>>
>> I have a friend who uses a Tonelab through a Bose L1 system for prog
>> and fusion stuff and he gets excellent tone and response even without
>> a tube power amp or guitar speaker. So that's possible, too.
>>
>> I haven't tried the Tonelab myself but I'm impressed with what he gets
>> out of it.
>>
>> For my gigs the GNX4 fills multiple roles: I use it as a guitar
>> preamp, guitar/violin multi-FX box, mic preamp, vocal/instrument
>> mixer, direct box and live multitracker. It does all that. Kim can
>> probably relate (he uses one also).
>>
>> I run my GNX4 direct to the house PA via the balanced XLR output and
>> it sounds consistently great out front (I can go mono or stereo).
>>
>> I monitor onstage using the house monitoring system, or through an EV
>> 12" 2 way PA speaker/monitor that I bring, or if I want to travel
>> light, through a Galaxy powered hot spot on a mic stand at Guitar
>> height (for easy controlled feedback) - aimed at my ears (lets me keep
>> stage volume down but I can still make the guitar sing). In all cases,
>> I can keep stage volume under control and there's no "spotlight" of
>> loud guitar hitting any part of the audience from the stack I don't
>> use. :^) So the house engineer really has total control of the mix and
>> the mix is consistent throughout the FOH.
>>
>> If there's no house PA (small gigs) I can throw the EV on a pole and
>> cover the house, or even add its twin and make everyone go deaf with
>> guitar crunching goodness.
>>
>> The key for going direct to the PA with the GNX4 and getting great
>> tone is to turn on the internal speaker emulation, and to program the
>> patches while listening through a full range system (I use my studio
>> monitors).
>>
>> Because I also run my violin, my vocals (the GNX4 has a mic preamp),
>> my guitar synth and sometimes my keyboard through the GNX4, I actually
>> require full range monitoring rather than just a guitar speaker.
>> However when I'm just playing guitar at a band gig, I could probably
>> get away with using a non-full-range guitar speaker. But since the
>> GNX4 sings just fine without it I haven't felt compelled to haul my
>> 2x12 cab to gigs. For my particular setup it's just not needed.
>>
>> However 2x12 sounds great with my heavily modded bassman 50 head! But
>> that rig no longer has to take the abuse of gigging.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill L wrote:
>>> My best results with emulators are when I run them through a quality
>>> tube power amp and a good speaker. I use a Mesa Satellite 60, and
>>> have used an Atomic Reactor. Both lift the cold emulations to the
>>> realm of great amp sounds IMHO.
>>>
>>> I could not use my Tonelab straight into the board. It does not
>>> breath for me.
>>>
>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>>
>>>> DC wrote:
>>>>> One more thing. I offered to let one of the modeler companies use my
>>>>> 1968 HIWATT as a reference to make an emulation, and they admitted
>>>>> that they really couldn't get it all that close.
>>>>
>>>> Which modeler company?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> They are fine unless you
>>>>> are building the whole song around the guitar.
>>>>
>>>> Unless you create a sound using a modeler that makes the song, which
>>>> is entirely possible IMO.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Which of course is why AC/DC don't use 'em...
>>>>
>>>> We should all use only SGs through Marshalls then. Or whatever they
>>>> use. And wear English schoolboy pants. The rest is BLASPHEMY! ;^)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> heh
>>>>>
>>>>> DC
>>>>>
>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I have a Digitech I like. One caveat though:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If your music is built around guitar parts and if you want a
>>>>>> signature tone that people will quickly recognize, then
>>>>>> emulations are not for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No one has ever done a real-sounding HIWATT emulation
>>>>>> either...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I have no problem with amp emulations. Back in 1999 when I
>>>>>>> unloaded all
>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> gear for money for my house re-hab, the only things I kept were
>>>>>>> my sans
>>>>>> amp
>>>>>>> psa 1 and peavey vmp2 pre. Chuck
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> LOL. Get a room, you two!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I dig those guitars through a good amp, too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Remember when using an electric guitar and a guitar amp was
>>>>>>>> heresy? They
>>>>>>>> booed Bob Dylan off the stage. USE A REAL GUITAR!! Heh.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Flash forward and now that stuff is traditional
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I bet you would both dig my variax setup if you heard it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And Chuck, I bet you would even like what I do with amp
>>>>>>>> emulations, once
>>>>>>>> you hear some of my custom setups (which stand up to comparison
>>>>>>>> with my
>>>>>>>> tube rig).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> chuck duffy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Haha I agree with you! I can't believe it!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My 2 cents. A strat, a tele and a les with a bigsby trem and
>>>>>>>>> locking
>>>>>>> nuts.
>>>>>>>>> Also, a must have is a gibson vintage f hole.
>>>>>>>>> After that an SG and a les junior.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Other areas we will agree on... USE AN AMP!
>>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Some good ideas here. But I am in the "buy 2 guitars" camp.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A good LP and a hardtail strat would be the minimum.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Any suggestions on a single electric guitar that can do Strat
>>>>>>>>>>> / Les
>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>> Telecaster sounds or some other guitar that has an amazing
>>>>>>>>>>> array of
>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>> type sounds?
>>>>>
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| Re: most versatile guitar [message #86765 is a reply to message #86738] |
Sat, 16 June 2007 15:07 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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Dude, we are so civilized!
Jamie K wrote:
> Bill L wrote:
>> Jamie, I really do believe you can get great tone that way. It just
>> does not quite get it for me. If it's a smaller gig do usually run
>> into the PA from the Tonelab myself, but i like to monitor through the
>> amp to get the tone and the stage monitoring vibe that makes me happy.
>
> Absolutely. We all find what works for us.
>
> There are plenty of options these days. More than I have time to
> evaluate. So it's great to hear what works for you, and I'm happy to
> share what works for me.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>
>>> That sounds like a great setup, Bill.
>>>
>>> I have a friend who uses a Tonelab through a Bose L1 system for prog
>>> and fusion stuff and he gets excellent tone and response even without
>>> a tube power amp or guitar speaker. So that's possible, too.
>>>
>>> I haven't tried the Tonelab myself but I'm impressed with what he
>>> gets out of it.
>>>
>>> For my gigs the GNX4 fills multiple roles: I use it as a guitar
>>> preamp, guitar/violin multi-FX box, mic preamp, vocal/instrument
>>> mixer, direct box and live multitracker. It does all that. Kim can
>>> probably relate (he uses one also).
>>>
>>> I run my GNX4 direct to the house PA via the balanced XLR output and
>>> it sounds consistently great out front (I can go mono or stereo).
>>>
>>> I monitor onstage using the house monitoring system, or through an EV
>>> 12" 2 way PA speaker/monitor that I bring, or if I want to travel
>>> light, through a Galaxy powered hot spot on a mic stand at Guitar
>>> height (for easy controlled feedback) - aimed at my ears (lets me
>>> keep stage volume down but I can still make the guitar sing). In all
>>> cases, I can keep stage volume under control and there's no
>>> "spotlight" of loud guitar hitting any part of the audience from the
>>> stack I don't use. :^) So the house engineer really has total control
>>> of the mix and the mix is consistent throughout the FOH.
>>>
>>> If there's no house PA (small gigs) I can throw the EV on a pole and
>>> cover the house, or even add its twin and make everyone go deaf with
>>> guitar crunching goodness.
>>>
>>> The key for going direct to the PA with the GNX4 and getting great
>>> tone is to turn on the internal speaker emulation, and to program the
>>> patches while listening through a full range system (I use my studio
>>> monitors).
>>>
>>> Because I also run my violin, my vocals (the GNX4 has a mic preamp),
>>> my guitar synth and sometimes my keyboard through the GNX4, I
>>> actually require full range monitoring rather than just a guitar
>>> speaker. However when I'm just playing guitar at a band gig, I could
>>> probably get away with using a non-full-range guitar speaker. But
>>> since the GNX4 sings just fine without it I haven't felt compelled to
>>> haul my 2x12 cab to gigs. For my particular setup it's just not needed.
>>>
>>> However 2x12 sounds great with my heavily modded bassman 50 head! But
>>> that rig no longer has to take the abuse of gigging.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>> My best results with emulators are when I run them through a quality
>>>> tube power amp and a good speaker. I use a Mesa Satellite 60, and
>>>> have used an Atomic Reactor. Both lift the cold emulations to the
>>>> realm of great amp sounds IMHO.
>>>>
>>>> I could not use my Tonelab straight into the board. It does not
>>>> breath for me.
>>>>
>>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> DC wrote:
>>>>>> One more thing. I offered to let one of the modeler companies use my
>>>>>> 1968 HIWATT as a reference to make an emulation, and they admitted
>>>>>> that they really couldn't get it all that close.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which modeler company?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> They are fine unless you
>>>>>> are building the whole song around the guitar.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless you create a sound using a modeler that makes the song,
>>>>> which is entirely possible IMO.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Which of course is why AC/DC don't use 'em...
>>>>>
>>>>> We should all use only SGs through Marshalls then. Or whatever they
>>>>> use. And wear English schoolboy pants. The rest is BLASPHEMY! ;^)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> heh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I have a Digitech I like. One caveat though:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If your music is built around guitar parts and if you want a
>>>>>>> signature tone that people will quickly recognize, then
>>>>>>> emulations are not for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No one has ever done a real-sounding HIWATT emulation
>>>>>>> either...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have no problem with amp emulations. Back in 1999 when I
>>>>>>>> unloaded all
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> gear for money for my house re-hab, the only things I kept were
>>>>>>>> my sans
>>>>>>> amp
>>>>>>>> psa 1 and peavey vmp2 pre. Chuck
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> LOL. Get a room, you two!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I dig those guitars through a good amp, too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Remember when using an electric guitar and a guitar amp was
>>>>>>>>> heresy? They
>>>>>>>>> booed Bob Dylan off the stage. USE A REAL GUITAR!! Heh.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Flash forward and now that stuff is traditional
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I bet you would both dig my variax setup if you heard it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And Chuck, I bet you would even like what I do with amp
>>>>>>>>> emulations, once
>>>>>>>>> you hear some of my custom setups (which stand up to comparison
>>>>>>>>> with my
>>>>>>>>> tube rig).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> chuck duffy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Haha I agree with you! I can't believe it!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My 2 cents. A strat, a tele and a les with a bigsby trem and
>>>>>>>>>> locking
>>>>>>>> nuts.
>>>>>>>>>> Also, a must have is a gibson vintage f hole.
>>>>>>>>>> After that an SG and a les junior.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Other areas we will agree on... USE AN AMP!
>>>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Some good ideas here. But I am in the "buy 2 guitars" camp.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A good LP and a hardtail strat would be the minimum.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any suggestions on a single electric guitar that can do
>>>>>>>>>>>> Strat / Les
>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>> Telecaster sounds or some other guitar that has an amazing
>>>>>>>>>>>> array of
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>> type sounds?
>>>>>>
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| Re: most versatile guitar [message #86768 is a reply to message #86764] |
Sat, 16 June 2007 15:19 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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I use the gig bag, it looks like a tennis racket. I've never had anyone
even ask me what it was, I just walk on the plane with the Steinberger
over my shoulder, and put it (carefully) on top of whatever is already
in the overhead above me. It also makes a great backup guitar to my PRS
for local gigs. So easy to bring.
I carry the GK amp in a soft bag. It's only about the size of a boombox
and can fit under the seat or in the overhead. But it's heavier than it
looks, so I have a little foldup suitcase dolly to drag it around the
airport.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Bill L wrote:
> My Steiny fits perfectly into a Samsonite hardshell suitcase. That's the
> reason I bought it. When I use its gig bag, I almost feel like I'm
> cheating, it's so tiny.
>
> Jamie K wrote:
>> DC wrote:
>>> Absolutely. These things are very useful, and I will not mind in the
>>> least if they eventually become nearly perfect. A lot of people
>>> always see technology as a "this vs. that" but us gear hounds always
>>> want one
>>> of each...
>>
>> True. Keeping in mind: "You can't have everything, where would you put
>> it?" :^)
>>
>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>> sweet! That and my Steinberger and I'm travelin' light!
>>
>> Nice.
>>
>> My Steinberger and my GK250ML have been my carry-on companions when I
>> have to fly to gigs. Small, sweet and loud.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
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| Re: most versatile guitar [message #86769 is a reply to message #86765] |
Sat, 16 June 2007 15:26 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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Bill L wrote:
> Dude, we are so civilized!
Yes. Quite so. Jolly good!
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Jamie K wrote:
>> Bill L wrote:
>>> Jamie, I really do believe you can get great tone that way. It just
>>> does not quite get it for me. If it's a smaller gig do usually run
>>> into the PA from the Tonelab myself, but i like to monitor through
>>> the amp to get the tone and the stage monitoring vibe that makes me
>>> happy.
>>
>> Absolutely. We all find what works for us.
>>
>> There are plenty of options these days. More than I have time to
>> evaluate. So it's great to hear what works for you, and I'm happy to
>> share what works for me.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That sounds like a great setup, Bill.
>>>>
>>>> I have a friend who uses a Tonelab through a Bose L1 system for prog
>>>> and fusion stuff and he gets excellent tone and response even
>>>> without a tube power amp or guitar speaker. So that's possible, too.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't tried the Tonelab myself but I'm impressed with what he
>>>> gets out of it.
>>>>
>>>> For my gigs the GNX4 fills multiple roles: I use it as a guitar
>>>> preamp, guitar/violin multi-FX box, mic preamp, vocal/instrument
>>>> mixer, direct box and live multitracker. It does all that. Kim can
>>>> probably relate (he uses one also).
>>>>
>>>> I run my GNX4 direct to the house PA via the balanced XLR output and
>>>> it sounds consistently great out front (I can go mono or stereo).
>>>>
>>>> I monitor onstage using the house monitoring system, or through an
>>>> EV 12" 2 way PA speaker/monitor that I bring, or if I want to travel
>>>> light, through a Galaxy powered hot spot on a mic stand at Guitar
>>>> height (for easy controlled feedback) - aimed at my ears (lets me
>>>> keep stage volume down but I can still make the guitar sing). In all
>>>> cases, I can keep stage volume under control and there's no
>>>> "spotlight" of loud guitar hitting any part of the audience from the
>>>> stack I don't use. :^) So the house engineer really has total
>>>> control of the mix and the mix is consistent throughout the FOH.
>>>>
>>>> If there's no house PA (small gigs) I can throw the EV on a pole and
>>>> cover the house, or even add its twin and make everyone go deaf with
>>>> guitar crunching goodness.
>>>>
>>>> The key for going direct to the PA with the GNX4 and getting great
>>>> tone is to turn on the internal speaker emulation, and to program
>>>> the patches while listening through a full range system (I use my
>>>> studio monitors).
>>>>
>>>> Because I also run my violin, my vocals (the GNX4 has a mic preamp),
>>>> my guitar synth and sometimes my keyboard through the GNX4, I
>>>> actually require full range monitoring rather than just a guitar
>>>> speaker. However when I'm just playing guitar at a band gig, I could
>>>> probably get away with using a non-full-range guitar speaker. But
>>>> since the GNX4 sings just fine without it I haven't felt compelled
>>>> to haul my 2x12 cab to gigs. For my particular setup it's just not
>>>> needed.
>>>>
>>>> However 2x12 sounds great with my heavily modded bassman 50 head!
>>>> But that rig no longer has to take the abuse of gigging.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>> My best results with emulators are when I run them through a
>>>>> quality tube power amp and a good speaker. I use a Mesa Satellite
>>>>> 60, and have used an Atomic Reactor. Both lift the cold emulations
>>>>> to the realm of great amp sounds IMHO.
>>>>>
>>>>> I could not use my Tonelab straight into the board. It does not
>>>>> breath for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DC wrote:
>>>>>>> One more thing. I offered to let one of the modeler companies
>>>>>>> use my
>>>>>>> 1968 HIWATT as a reference to make an emulation, and they admitted
>>>>>>> that they really couldn't get it all that close.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which modeler company?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are fine unless you
>>>>>>> are building the whole song around the guitar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless you create a sound using a modeler that makes the song,
>>>>>> which is entirely possible IMO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which of course is why AC/DC don't use 'em...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We should all use only SGs through Marshalls then. Or whatever
>>>>>> they use. And wear English schoolboy pants. The rest is BLASPHEMY!
>>>>>> ;^)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> heh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have a Digitech I like. One caveat though:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If your music is built around guitar parts and if you want a
>>>>>>>> signature tone that people will quickly recognize, then
>>>>>>>> emulations are not for you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No one has ever done a real-sounding HIWATT emulation
>>>>>>>> either...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I have no problem with amp emulations. Back in 1999 when I
>>>>>>>>> unloaded all
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> gear for money for my house re-hab, the only things I kept were
>>>>>>>>> my sans
>>>>>>>> amp
>>>>>>>>> psa 1 and peavey vmp2 pre. Chuck
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> LOL. Get a room, you two!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I dig those guitars through a good amp, too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Remember when using an electric guitar and a guitar amp was
>>>>>>>>>> heresy? They
>>>>>>>>>> booed Bob Dylan off the stage. USE A REAL GUITAR!! Heh.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Flash forward and now that stuff is traditional
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I bet you would both dig my variax setup if you heard it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And Chuck, I bet you would even like what I do with amp
>>>>>>>>>> emulations, once
>>>>>>>>>> you hear some of my custom setups (which stand up to
>>>>>>>>>> comparison with my
>>>>>>>>>> tube rig).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> chuck duffy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Haha I agree with you! I can't believe it!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My 2 cents. A strat, a tele and a les with a bigsby trem and
>>>>>>>>>>> locking
>>>>>>>>> nuts.
>>>>>>>>>>> Also, a must have is a gibson vintage f hole.
>>>>>>>>>>> After that an SG and a les junior.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Other areas we will agree on... USE AN AMP!
>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some good ideas here. But I am in the "buy 2 guitars" camp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A good LP and a hardtail strat would be the minimum.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any suggestions on a single electric guitar that can do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strat / Les
>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Telecaster sounds or some other guitar that has an amazing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> array of
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>> type sounds?
>>>>>>>
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