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Sarah is currently offline  Sarah   UNITED STATES
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What's his last name? :)

No, but seriously . . . I don't care what you think of Bill Maher (no,
really I don't), I think he's great. More importantly, I wanted to say that
if you didn't see his friday show with PJ O'Rourke and Ben Affleck, you
should scour your HBO schedule for the repeats just to catch special guest
Ron Paul. It's so inspiring to hear a politician who has the guts and
self-respect to just say what IS, undiluted, and not decorated with the
cornball, disingenuous, push-button slogans the other "republican"
contenders spew.

No surprise he's been barred from some of the "debates" . . . you can't have
someone being direct and honest in the middle of a bullshit contest.
Spoiler.

Bill obviously likes this guy, but I think even he was a bit shocked by the
amount of howling applause Ron Paul got from this notoriously liberal
audience.

There's something seriously wrong when a guy like this has little chance of
making it to the final contest because he can't compete financially. This
must change. Hey, how 'bout a grassroots underground movement to write him
in, with Mike Gravel for vice. (Gravel was the straight talking spoiler at
the Democratic debates, for those who missed that).

Oh, if only we could stop voting for smiles, poses, and empty promises.

S
Re: Ron Paul [message #85334 is a reply to message #85331] Sat, 26 May 2007 07:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TCB is currently offline  TCB
Messages: 1261
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It was thirty levels down on one of the threads but I also talked about him.
The sad thing is that voices like his are no longer welcome among 'conservatives'
in the US. Even if his ideas are wrong, they used to form at least one core
section of American conservatism, and I think it's sad that conservatives
like me are now forced to vote either for Bible thumping neo-cons or Bible
thumping neo-liberals. Or I can vote Green Party or Libertarian.

For other rational conservative thinkers (other than Pat Buchanan, whose
domestic politics I abhor but whose foreign policy ideas are old school conservative)
google Michael Scheuer, Robert Baer, William Lind, and Fabius Maximus (the
one still alive, not the Roman).

The other odd figure in the run up to the war was Sen. Robert Byrd. Once
a Klan member, now one of the last defenders of the Constitution. Here he
is in 2003

http://byrd.senate.gov/speeches/byrd_speeches_2003september/ byrd_speeches_2003september_li/byrd_speeches_2003september_l i_1.html

He's our Cicero, and don't forget that the Roman Cicero was rewarded for
his defense of the republic by having his head and hands nailed to the rostrum
in the senate.

TCB

"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>What's his last name? :)
>
>No, but seriously . . . I don't care what you think of Bill Maher (no,
>really I don't), I think he's great. More importantly, I wanted to say
that
>if you didn't see his friday show with PJ O'Rourke and Ben Affleck, you

>should scour your HBO schedule for the repeats just to catch special guest

>Ron Paul. It's so inspiring to hear a politician who has the guts and
>self-respect to just say what IS, undiluted, and not decorated with the

>cornball, disingenuous, push-button slogans the other "republican"
>contenders spew.
>
>No surprise he's been barred from some of the "debates" . . . you can't
have
>someone being direct and honest in the middle of a bullshit contest.
>Spoiler.
>
>Bill obviously likes this guy, but I think even he was a bit shocked by
the
>amount of howling applause Ron Paul got from this notoriously liberal
>audience.
>
>There's something seriously wrong when a guy like this has little chance
of
>making it to the final contest because he can't compete financially. This

>must change. Hey, how 'bout a grassroots underground movement to write
him
>in, with Mike Gravel for vice. (Gravel was the straight talking spoiler
at
>the Democratic debates, for those who missed that).
>
>Oh, if only we could stop voting for smiles, poses, and empty promises.
>
>S
>
>
Re: Ron Paul [message #85340 is a reply to message #85334] Sat, 26 May 2007 08:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [4] is currently offline  Deej [4]   UNITED STATES
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I like Ron Paul, sorta' in the same way I like Paul Watson. I just wonder if
Ron Paul is willing to kill people if the chips are down.


"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:46584766$1@linux...
>
> It was thirty levels down on one of the threads but I also talked about
> him.
> The sad thing is that voices like his are no longer welcome among
> 'conservatives'
> in the US. Even if his ideas are wrong, they used to form at least one
> core
> section of American conservatism, and I think it's sad that conservatives
> like me are now forced to vote either for Bible thumping neo-cons or Bible
> thumping neo-liberals. Or I can vote Green Party or Libertarian.
>
> For other rational conservative thinkers (other than Pat Buchanan, whose
> domestic politics I abhor but whose foreign policy ideas are old school
> conservative)
> google Michael Scheuer, Robert Baer, William Lind, and Fabius Maximus (the
> one still alive, not the Roman).
>
> The other odd figure in the run up to the war was Sen. Robert Byrd. Once
> a Klan member, now one of the last defenders of the Constitution. Here he
> is in 2003
>
> http://byrd.senate.gov/speeches/byrd_speeches_2003september/ byrd_speeches_2003september_li/byrd_speeches_2003september_l i_1.html
>
> He's our Cicero, and don't forget that the Roman Cicero was rewarded for
> his defense of the republic by having his head and hands nailed to the
> rostrum
> in the senate.
>
> TCB
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>What's his last name? :)
>>
>>No, but seriously . . . I don't care what you think of Bill Maher (no,
>>really I don't), I think he's great. More importantly, I wanted to say
> that
>>if you didn't see his friday show with PJ O'Rourke and Ben Affleck, you
>
>>should scour your HBO schedule for the repeats just to catch special guest
>
>>Ron Paul. It's so inspiring to hear a politician who has the guts and
>>self-respect to just say what IS, undiluted, and not decorated with the
>
>>cornball, disingenuous, push-button slogans the other "republican"
>>contenders spew.
>>
>>No surprise he's been barred from some of the "debates" . . . you can't
> have
>>someone being direct and honest in the middle of a bullshit contest.
>>Spoiler.
>>
>>Bill obviously likes this guy, but I think even he was a bit shocked by
> the
>>amount of howling applause Ron Paul got from this notoriously liberal
>>audience.
>>
>>There's something seriously wrong when a guy like this has little chance
> of
>>making it to the final contest because he can't compete financially. This
>
>>must change. Hey, how 'bout a grassroots underground movement to write
> him
>>in, with Mike Gravel for vice. (Gravel was the straight talking spoiler
> at
>>the Democratic debates, for those who missed that).
>>
>>Oh, if only we could stop voting for smiles, poses, and empty promises.
>>
>>S
>>
>>
>
Re: Ron Paul [message #85344 is a reply to message #85340] Sat, 26 May 2007 08:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [4] is currently offline  Deej [4]   UNITED STATES
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>We can continue to fund and fight no-win police actions around the globe,
>or we can refocus on securing America and bring the troops home. No war
>should ever be fought without a declaration of war voted upon by the
>Congress, as required by the Constitution. <

I would be onboard with this i it contained pledge to eliminate Charles
Shumer, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reed and Ted Kennedy from the world of the
living..


"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:4658533c@linux...
>I like Ron Paul, sorta' in the same way I like Paul Watson. I just wonder
>if Ron Paul is willing to kill people if the chips are down.
>
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:46584766$1@linux...
>>
>> It was thirty levels down on one of the threads but I also talked about
>> him.
>> The sad thing is that voices like his are no longer welcome among
>> 'conservatives'
>> in the US. Even if his ideas are wrong, they used to form at least one
>> core
>> section of American conservatism, and I think it's sad that conservatives
>> like me are now forced to vote either for Bible thumping neo-cons or
>> Bible
>> thumping neo-liberals. Or I can vote Green Party or Libertarian.
>>
>> For other rational conservative thinkers (other than Pat Buchanan, whose
>> domestic politics I abhor but whose foreign policy ideas are old school
>> conservative)
>> google Michael Scheuer, Robert Baer, William Lind, and Fabius Maximus
>> (the
>> one still alive, not the Roman).
>>
>> The other odd figure in the run up to the war was Sen. Robert Byrd. Once
>> a Klan member, now one of the last defenders of the Constitution. Here he
>> is in 2003
>>
>> http://byrd.senate.gov/speeches/byrd_speeches_2003september/ byrd_speeches_2003september_li/byrd_speeches_2003september_l i_1.html
>>
>> He's our Cicero, and don't forget that the Roman Cicero was rewarded for
>> his defense of the republic by having his head and hands nailed to the
>> rostrum
>> in the senate.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>>What's his last name? :)
>>>
>>>No, but seriously . . . I don't care what you think of Bill Maher (no,
>>>really I don't), I think he's great. More importantly, I wanted to say
>> that
>>>if you didn't see his friday show with PJ O'Rourke and Ben Affleck, you
>>
>>>should scour your HBO schedule for the repeats just to catch special
>>>guest
>>
>>>Ron Paul. It's so inspiring to hear a politician who has the guts and
>>>self-respect to just say what IS, undiluted, and not decorated with the
>>
>>>cornball, disingenuous, push-button slogans the other "republican"
>>>contenders spew.
>>>
>>>No surprise he's been barred from some of the "debates" . . . you can't
>> have
>>>someone being direct and honest in the middle of a bullshit contest.
>>>Spoiler.
>>>
>>>Bill obviously likes this guy, but I think even he was a bit shocked by
>> the
>>>amount of howling applause Ron Paul got from this notoriously liberal
>>>audience.
>>>
>>>There's something seriously wrong when a guy like this has little chance
>> of
>>>making it to the final contest because he can't compete financially.
>>>This
>>
>>>must change. Hey, how 'bout a grassroots underground movement to write
>> him
>>>in, with Mike Gravel for vice. (Gravel was the straight talking spoiler
>> at
>>>the Democratic debates, for those who missed that).
>>>
>>>Oh, if only we could stop voting for smiles, poses, and empty promises.
>>>
>>>S
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: Ron Paul [message #85349 is a reply to message #85340] Sat, 26 May 2007 09:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TCB is currently offline  TCB
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I think real conservatives, like Ron Paul and (I hope) me, realize that there
are times when we have to kill people. And that's what war is about, killing
an maiming other humans. Land mines blowing up kids for the next hundred
years and limbs turned to meat. So conservatives like me believe in waging
war as truly a last resort, when strategically necessary, but when it must
be waged it should be waged as fiercely as possible and for the shortest
time possible.

I honestly think your opinion of our current Mesopotamian capers would be
different of the war were fought by Great Danes.

TCB

"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I like Ron Paul, sorta' in the same way I like Paul Watson. I just wonder
if
>Ron Paul is willing to kill people if the chips are down.
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:46584766$1@linux...
>>
>> It was thirty levels down on one of the threads but I also talked about

>> him.
>> The sad thing is that voices like his are no longer welcome among
>> 'conservatives'
>> in the US. Even if his ideas are wrong, they used to form at least one

>> core
>> section of American conservatism, and I think it's sad that conservatives
>> like me are now forced to vote either for Bible thumping neo-cons or Bible
>> thumping neo-liberals. Or I can vote Green Party or Libertarian.
>>
>> For other rational conservative thinkers (other than Pat Buchanan, whose
>> domestic politics I abhor but whose foreign policy ideas are old school

>> conservative)
>> google Michael Scheuer, Robert Baer, William Lind, and Fabius Maximus
(the
>> one still alive, not the Roman).
>>
>> The other odd figure in the run up to the war was Sen. Robert Byrd. Once
>> a Klan member, now one of the last defenders of the Constitution. Here
he
>> is in 2003
>>
>> http://byrd.senate.gov/speeches/byrd_speeches_2003september/ byrd_speeches_2003september_li/byrd_speeches_2003september_l i_1.html
>>
>> He's our Cicero, and don't forget that the Roman Cicero was rewarded for
>> his defense of the republic by having his head and hands nailed to the

>> rostrum
>> in the senate.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>>What's his last name? :)
>>>
>>>No, but seriously . . . I don't care what you think of Bill Maher (no,
>>>really I don't), I think he's great. More importantly, I wanted to say
>> that
>>>if you didn't see his friday show with PJ O'Rourke and Ben Affleck, you
>>
>>>should scour your HBO schedule for the repeats just to catch special guest
>>
>>>Ron Paul. It's so inspiring to hear a politician who has the guts and
>>>self-respect to just say what IS, undiluted, and not decorated with the
>>
>>>cornball, disingenuous, push-button slogans the other "republican"
>>>contenders spew.
>>>
>>>No surprise he's been barred from some of the "debates" . . . you can't
>> have
>>>someone being direct and honest in the middle of a bullshit contest.
>>>Spoiler.
>>>
>>>Bill obviously likes this guy, but I think even he was a bit shocked by
>> the
>>>amount of howling applause Ron Paul got from this notoriously liberal
>>>audience.
>>>
>>>There's something seriously wrong when a guy like this has little chance
>> of
>>>making it to the final contest because he can't compete financially.
This
>>
>>>must change. Hey, how 'bout a grassroots underground movement to write
>> him
>>>in, with Mike Gravel for vice. (Gravel was the straight talking spoiler
>> at
>>>the Democratic debates, for those who missed that).
>>>
>>>Oh, if only we could stop voting for smiles, poses, and empty promises.
>>>
>>>S
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: Ron Paul [message #85351 is a reply to message #85349] Sat, 26 May 2007 09:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [4] is currently offline  Deej [4]   UNITED STATES
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> I honestly think your opinion of our current Mesopotamian capers would be
> different of the war were fought by Great Danes.
>
> TCB

You're right about this. However, if you think we've got a world o' shit to
deal with now, you could come over to the house and give me a hand with the
pooper scooper.....then imagine the mess that an army of great danes would
create.

What's uncle Ron's energy policy? When great danes get cold they tend to
jump up on the bed and cuddle with you, whether you like it or not..

;o)
Re: Ron Paul [message #85362 is a reply to message #85351] Sat, 26 May 2007 10:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bill L is currently offline  Bill L   UNITED STATES
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When I was growing up, a friend's family had 4 or 5 Danes and in the
winter they used to feed them in a room off the kitchen. After eating
when they all started farting, it was literally a health risk to enter
that room.

I'm impressed w/ Ron Paul too. (2 first names - doesn't that
automatically make him a star?) He recently was involved in creating
legislation to prevent federal funds from being used for mandatory
mental health screening. Just imagine "One flew over the cuckoo's nest"
for the whole country.


DJ wrote:
>> I honestly think your opinion of our current Mesopotamian capers would be
>> different of the war were fought by Great Danes.
>>
>> TCB
>
> You're right about this. However, if you think we've got a world o' shit to
> deal with now, you could come over to the house and give me a hand with the
> pooper scooper.....then imagine the mess that an army of great danes would
> create.
>
> What's uncle Ron's energy policy? When great danes get cold they tend to
> jump up on the bed and cuddle with you, whether you like it or not..
>
> ;o)
>
>
Re: Ron Paul [message #85364 is a reply to message #85362] Sat, 26 May 2007 11:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [4] is currently offline  Deej [4]   UNITED STATES
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Something about him reminds me of Carter and Clinton........not sure exactly
what yet, maybe it's the "too good to be trueness" of the guy but to have
another Clinton or Carter in the White House would be biggest disaster in
the history of this country, even moreso than the previous Carter and
Clinton disasters, because we would be making the same mistake
twice.............on purpose.

Weasels to the left of me, clowns to the right......

"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:46587241@linux...
> When I was growing up, a friend's family had 4 or 5 Danes and in the
> winter they used to feed them in a room off the kitchen. After eating when
> they all started farting, it was literally a health risk to enter that
> room.
>
> I'm impressed w/ Ron Paul too. (2 first names - doesn't that automatically
> make him a star?) He recently was involved in creating legislation to
> prevent federal funds from being used for mandatory mental health
> screening. Just imagine "One flew over the cuckoo's nest" for the whole
> country.
>
>
> DJ wrote:
>>> I honestly think your opinion of our current Mesopotamian capers would
>>> be
>>> different of the war were fought by Great Danes.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>
>> You're right about this. However, if you think we've got a world o' shit
>> to deal with now, you could come over to the house and give me a hand
>> with the pooper scooper.....then imagine the mess that an army of great
>> danes would create.
>>
>> What's uncle Ron's energy policy? When great danes get cold they tend to
>> jump up on the bed and cuddle with you, whether you like it or not..
>>
>> ;o)
>>
Re: Ron Paul [message #85365 is a reply to message #85334] Sat, 26 May 2007 11:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
excelav is currently offline  excelav   
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
Senior Member
Thad you also confuse me. I didn't know you were a conservative. Robert
Byrd??? This is the guy that wanted to put a thousand dollar tax on bullets
for law abiding citizens. That is $1,000.00 a bullet! Criminal sure wouldn't
pay a thousand dollars a bullet!

Since when is it Ok for a Klansmen to be in public office? I guess only
when is suits your agenda. It sure wasn't Ok for David Duke to run for office!!!
He was no longer a Klansmen. It's funny how, when it suits people it's
Ok.

It reminds me of something I once saw when I was down south when Clinton
was in office. The sign said, Only in America can you have a draft dodger
living in the white house and veterans living in cardboard boxes.

A former Klansmen is Ok by you? I wonder if he ever murdered anybody???

I believe in punishing criminals not law abiding citizens.


"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>It was thirty levels down on one of the threads but I also talked about
him.
>The sad thing is that voices like his are no longer welcome among 'conservatives'
>in the US. Even if his ideas are wrong, they used to form at least one core
>section of American conservatism, and I think it's sad that conservatives
>like me are now forced to vote either for Bible thumping neo-cons or Bible
>thumping neo-liberals. Or I can vote Green Party or Libertarian.
>
>For other rational conservative thinkers (other than Pat Buchanan, whose
>domestic politics I abhor but whose foreign policy ideas are old school
conservative)
>google Michael Scheuer, Robert Baer, William Lind, and Fabius Maximus (the
>one still alive, not the Roman).
>
>The other odd figure in the run up to the war was Sen. Robert Byrd. Once
>a Klan member, now one of the last defenders of the Constitution. Here he
>is in 2003
>
> http://byrd.senate.gov/speeches/byrd_speeches_2003september/ byrd_speeches_2003september_li/byrd_speeches_2003september_l i_1.html
>
>He's our Cicero, and don't forget that the Roman Cicero was rewarded for
>his defense of the republic by having his head and hands nailed to the rostrum
>in the senate.
>
>TCB
>
>"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>What's his last name? :)
>>
>>No, but seriously . . . I don't care what you think of Bill Maher (no,

>>really I don't), I think he's great. More importantly, I wanted to say
>that
>>if you didn't see his friday show with PJ O'Rourke and Ben Affleck, you
>
>>should scour your HBO schedule for the repeats just to catch special guest
>
>>Ron Paul. It's so inspiring to hear a politician who has the guts and

>>self-respect to just say what IS, undiluted, and not decorated with the
>
>>cornball, disingenuous, push-button slogans the other "republican"
>>contenders spew.
>>
>>No surprise he's been barred from some of the "debates" . . . you can't
>have
>>someone being direct and honest in the middle of a bullshit contest.
>>Spoiler.
>>
>>Bill obviously likes this guy, but I think even he was a bit shocked by
>the
>>amount of howling applause Ron Paul got from this notoriously liberal
>>audience.
>>
>>There's something seriously wrong when a guy like this has little chance
>of
>>making it to the final contest because he can't compete financially. This
>
>>must change. Hey, how 'bout a grassroots underground movement to write
>him
>>in, with Mike Gravel for vice. (Gravel was the straight talking spoiler
>at
>>the Democratic debates, for those who missed that).
>>
>>Oh, if only we could stop voting for smiles, poses, and empty promises.
>>
>>S
>>
>>
>
Re: Ron Paul [message #85371 is a reply to message #85349] Sat, 26 May 2007 12:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
excelav is currently offline  excelav   
Messages: 2130
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Location: Metro Detroit
Senior Member
I agree with you here. If we must go to war we should get it over with quickly.

I don't think you should ever commit to war unless you are willing to win
it. There is no substitute for victory! You have to be willing to kill
women and children wholesale, you can't hold back or flinch. You can't
win playing patty cakes, you have to do what ever it takes. That's why I
think war is a vary bad thing. I also think it's the vary last thing to
do. The USA has lost it's will to win wars.

The democrats started a war against the republicans before we ever went in
to Iraq. It was for their own selfish political gains. A country can't
govern if it is divided against it's self. We can't win wars or anything
else this way. I'm tire of hearing how they will work together, it's bullshit.
They work together and stay in power by pointing the fingers at each other.
We need all new government. A government that is for the people and their
best interests as a whole.

Since I'm on the subject. A 5 year old could have told you that the math
doesn't work in Iraq. You can't have 150 thousand troops take on a country
with over 35 million people, in a country the size of California, with over
3,000 miles of porous boarders, with hostel enemies surrounding you. Only
40 thousand are combat troops, the rest are support. Insurgents pouring
a cross the borders everyday. You can't possibly win, you can't sweep a
country that size with those few troops. It's been a recipe for failure
from the start and I hold Bush fully responsible for that. The only people
to win are the Halliburtons of the war and their friends. For our government
to pay them 100 million dollars for stuff they couldn't account for is unforgivable.


We can't fight a war with our hands tied behind our backs. We can't fight
a war with out the proper equipment, or the necessary funds.

I also hold Clinton responsible for shutting down our military and closing
bases. We no longer have the troop levels to fight wars and protect us.
That is NOT a good thing! He put us in danger. The terrorist that caused
911 came in under Clinton and went unchecked. They stayed in the country
for years after their visas expired.

"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>I think real conservatives, like Ron Paul and (I hope) me, realize that
there
>are times when we have to kill people. And that's what war is about, killing
>an maiming other humans. Land mines blowing up kids for the next hundred
>years and limbs turned to meat. So conservatives like me believe in waging
>war as truly a last resort, when strategically necessary, but when it must
>be waged it should be waged as fiercely as possible and for the shortest
>time possible.
>
>I honestly think your opinion of our current Mesopotamian capers would be
>different of the war were fought by Great Danes.
>
>TCB
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>I like Ron Paul, sorta' in the same way I like Paul Watson. I just wonder
>if
>>Ron Paul is willing to kill people if the chips are down.
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:46584766$1@linux...
>>>
>>> It was thirty levels down on one of the threads but I also talked about
>
>>> him.
>>> The sad thing is that voices like his are no longer welcome among
>>> 'conservatives'
>>> in the US. Even if his ideas are wrong, they used to form at least one
>
>>> core
>>> section of American conservatism, and I think it's sad that conservatives
>>> like me are now forced to vote either for Bible thumping neo-cons or
Bible
>>> thumping neo-liberals. Or I can vote Green Party or Libertarian.
>>>
>>> For other rational conservative thinkers (other than Pat Buchanan, whose
>>> domestic politics I abhor but whose foreign policy ideas are old school
>
>>> conservative)
>>> google Michael Scheuer, Robert Baer, William Lind, and Fabius Maximus
>(the
>>> one still alive, not the Roman).
>>>
>>> The other odd figure in the run up to the war was Sen. Robert Byrd. Once
>>> a Klan member, now one of the last defenders of the Constitution. Here
>he
>>> is in 2003
>>>
>>> http://byrd.senate.gov/speeches/byrd_speeches_2003september/ byrd_speeches_2003september_li/byrd_speeches_2003september_l i_1.html
>>>
>>> He's our Cicero, and don't forget that the Roman Cicero was rewarded
for
>>> his defense of the republic by having his head and hands nailed to the
>
>>> rostrum
>>> in the senate.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>>>What's his last name? :)
>>>>
>>>>No, but seriously . . . I don't care what you think of Bill Maher (no,
>>>>really I don't), I think he's great. More importantly, I wanted to say
>>> that
>>>>if you didn't see his friday show with PJ O'Rourke and Ben Affleck, you
>>>
>>>>should scour your HBO schedule for the repeats just to catch special
guest
>>>
>>>>Ron Paul. It's so inspiring to hear a politician who has the guts and
>>>>self-respect to just say what IS, undiluted, and not decorated with the
>>>
>>>>cornball, disingenuous, push-button slogans the other "republican"
>>>>contenders spew.
>>>>
>>>>No surprise he's been barred from some of the "debates" . . . you can't
>>> have
>>>>someone being direct and honest in the middle of a bullshit contest.
>>>>Spoiler.
>>>>
>>>>Bill obviously likes this guy, but I think even he was a bit shocked
by
>>> the
>>>>amount of howling applause Ron Paul got from this notoriously liberal
>>>>audience.
>>>>
>>>>There's something seriously wrong when a guy like this has little chance
>>> of
>>>>making it to the final contest because he can't compete financially.

>This
>>>
>>>>must change. Hey, how 'bout a grassroots underground movement to write
>>> him
>>>>in, with Mike Gravel for vice. (Gravel was the straight talking spoiler
>>> at
>>>>the Democratic debates, for those who missed that).
>>>>
>>>>Oh, if only we could stop voting for smiles, poses, and empty promises.
>>>>
>>>>S
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Ron Paul [message #85392 is a reply to message #85364] Sat, 26 May 2007 19:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bill L is currently offline  Bill L   UNITED STATES
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Wow, that's funny to hear you compare him to those two ineffectual
losers, DJ. He seems worlds away from either Carter (apathetic platitude
spouter) and Clinton (smarmy, insincere con artist) in the personality
department and he's universes away in his actual positions.

What I like is he actually takes positions that stand up on their own 2
feet, compared to most politicians whose main position is "Vote for me
because that guy is bad."

Ron Paul has some very original ideas and I REALLY like to hear someone
in government with the cojones to think think for himself, especially
with such creative, intelligent ideas.



DJ wrote:
> Something about him reminds me of Carter and Clinton........not sure exactly
> what yet, maybe it's the "too good to be trueness" of the guy but to have
> another Clinton or Carter in the White House would be biggest disaster in
> the history of this country, even moreso than the previous Carter and
> Clinton disasters, because we would be making the same mistake
> twice.............on purpose.
>
> Weasels to the left of me, clowns to the right......
>
> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:46587241@linux...
>> When I was growing up, a friend's family had 4 or 5 Danes and in the
>> winter they used to feed them in a room off the kitchen. After eating when
>> they all started farting, it was literally a health risk to enter that
>> room.
>>
>> I'm impressed w/ Ron Paul too. (2 first names - doesn't that automatically
>> make him a star?) He recently was involved in creating legislation to
>> prevent federal funds from being used for mandatory mental health
>> screening. Just imagine "One flew over the cuckoo's nest" for the whole
>> country.
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>>> I honestly think your opinion of our current Mesopotamian capers would
>>>> be
>>>> different of the war were fought by Great Danes.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>> You're right about this. However, if you think we've got a world o' shit
>>> to deal with now, you could come over to the house and give me a hand
>>> with the pooper scooper.....then imagine the mess that an army of great
>>> danes would create.
>>>
>>> What's uncle Ron's energy policy? When great danes get cold they tend to
>>> jump up on the bed and cuddle with you, whether you like it or not..
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>
Re: Ron Paul [message #85430 is a reply to message #85392] Sun, 27 May 2007 09:47 Go to previous message
Deej [4] is currently offline  Deej [4]   UNITED STATES
Messages: 1292
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"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:4658e9ef@linux...
> Wow, that's funny to hear you compare him to those two ineffectual losers,
> DJ. He seems worlds away from either Carter (apathetic platitude spouter)
> and Clinton (smarmy, insincere con artist) in the personality department
> and he's universes away in his actual positions.

I know...it makes no sense....but we've been burned so many times
before.....

>
> What I like is he actually takes positions that stand up on their own 2
> feet, compared to most politicians whose main position is "Vote for me
> because that guy is bad."

Yep. I like that too.

>
> Ron Paul has some very original ideas and I REALLY like to hear someone in
> government with the cojones to think think for himself, especially with
> such creative, intelligent ideas.

Sometimes thngs that seem too good to be true....actually are. The tinking
that distrubs me the most is his archaic thinking on "declarations of war".
Just because an entity attacks you that isn't a soveriegn state, does not
mean that you have not been attacked and does not meant that you are not at
war.

;o{
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