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Small dia. cond. mics/acoustic guitars [message #84933] Mon, 21 May 2007 14:07 Go to next message
Eugene B is currently offline  Eugene B
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Any favourites?I have an AT4031 and an akg C1000 and was
looking at a KM184.Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks. Eugene.
Re: Small dia. cond. mics/acoustic guitars [message #84934 is a reply to message #84933] Mon, 21 May 2007 14:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wireline[1] is currently offline  wireline[1]
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My personal favorites are Josephson C42s...also use AT4041 or 4051s...

Depends on the guitar, really...I think Martin dreadnaughts 'do' better with
LDCs, but 000/Auditorium sized seem to (or at least I seem to) prefer the
C42s over anything else in the lockers.

"Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Any favourites?I have an AT4031 and an akg C1000 and was
>looking at a KM184.Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>Thanks. Eugene.
Re: Small dia. cond. mics/acoustic guitars [message #84936 is a reply to message #84933] Mon, 21 May 2007 14:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gantt Kushner is currently offline  Gantt Kushner   
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I have a pair of KM-84s and a pair of AKG 451s. Either pair or combination
thereof can make for a great acoustic guitar sound.

Gantt

"Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Any favourites?I have an AT4031 and an akg C1000 and was
>looking at a KM184.Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>Thanks. Eugene.


Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
Re: Small dia. cond. mics/acoustic guitars [message #84937 is a reply to message #84933] Mon, 21 May 2007 14:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dale is currently offline  Dale   
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I'm also in the market for a small diaphragm / general purpose mic. If anyone
has experience with Shure KSM141 or Shure SM81 I would appreciate their feedback
on these as well. I have a KM184 which is a nice choice for acoustic guitar,
and would expect the Shures to be less colored than the Neuman.

I've also been told that with a pop filter the SM81 makes a very nice vocal
mic--but I haven't heard much about the KSM141.

Thanks,
Dale

P.S. I've been told the Octava small dia. mikes are nice for ac. guitar,
but have also heard that their quality can vary significantly from mic to
mic.


"Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Any favourites?I have an AT4031 and an akg C1000 and was
>looking at a KM184.Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>Thanks. Eugene.
Re: Small dia. cond. mics/acoustic guitars [message #84940 is a reply to message #84933] Mon, 21 May 2007 15:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TCB is currently offline  TCB
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My first answer comes from my long standing WWSAD, or What Would Steve Albini
do?

Acoustic Guitars

Favourite microphones: Schoeps 221b, Neumann 56/54 and FM2, Audio Technica
4051, Lomo 1918, plus ribbon mics like the Coles STC 4038, various Royers,
RCA 44DX, 74JR and 77DX.

Favourite preamps: Massenburg 8400, Sytek MPX4.

"The Lomo is a Russian microphone made in the '60s and '70s. I use that a
lot on acoustic guitar. They weren't standard in the West but they were quite
common in the East and they have now made their way across. I'll use a ribbon
microphone if it's a real bright guitar and I want to try thicken the sound
a little bit. Where I place the microphone depends on whether someone is
going to be singing and playing, or just playing. If they're singing and
playing I have to minimise the vocal spillage, so I put the microphones quite
close up. If there's no singing, then I can back the microphones off a little
bit, I would say about two to three feet, and in that case it usually sounds
better in a slightly live room. I don't necessarily point the microphone
straight at the sound hole. Sometimes you want to get it up in the air a
little bit, looking down at the guitar so you can get more of the strumming
and less projection of the hole. If the guitar is a little thin-sounding,
you want to have it more in front of the body. It varies. Sometimes you have
to move your head around a little and see where it sounds best."

TCB

"Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Any favourites?I have an AT4031 and an akg C1000 and was
>looking at a KM184.Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>Thanks. Eugene.
Re: Small dia. cond. mics/acoustic guitars [message #84943 is a reply to message #84937] Mon, 21 May 2007 15:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
michael bliss is currently offline  michael bliss
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Dale, the Oktava O12's are very decent SDC mics, but there is a quality issue
finding 2 the of same quality. Deej is selling a pair in the for sale section
if your interested. I used them on drum overheads and they're great. Also
on AC guitars and were really nice. Not the goto for guitars but very workable.

mb



"dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>I'm also in the market for a small diaphragm / general purpose mic. If anyone
>has experience with Shure KSM141 or Shure SM81 I would appreciate their
feedback
>on these as well. I have a KM184 which is a nice choice for acoustic guitar,
>and would expect the Shures to be less colored than the Neuman.
>
>I've also been told that with a pop filter the SM81 makes a very nice vocal
>mic--but I haven't heard much about the KSM141.
>
>Thanks,
>Dale
>
>P.S. I've been told the Octava small dia. mikes are nice for ac. guitar,
>but have also heard that their quality can vary significantly from mic to
>mic.
>
>
>"Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Any favourites?I have an AT4031 and an akg C1000 and was
>>looking at a KM184.Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>Thanks. Eugene.
>
Re: Small dia. cond. mics/acoustic guitars [message #84963 is a reply to message #84933] Mon, 21 May 2007 19:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gene lennon is currently offline  gene lennon
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DPA 3503 is the best I’ve ever used. Just a tad on the expensive side. DPA
4003 is also excellent. Earthworks SR30, Josephson c42MP, Gefell M270, Schoeps
CMC 62 H, Sennheiser MKH800, Sanken Microphones CO-100k.

lower cost SDs that works well include the Beyer MC930 and the Km84.

Gene

"Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Any favourites?I have an AT4031 and an akg C1000 and was
>looking at a KM184.Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>Thanks. Eugene.
Re: Small dia. cond. mics/acoustic guitars [message #84973 is a reply to message #84963] Mon, 21 May 2007 20:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [4] is currently offline  Deej [4]   UNITED STATES
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I could have bought these mics for $3500.00 from the owner before they went
to EBay .

You don't know how tempted I was.......well yeah, you probably do ;o) the
cashflow situation wasn't quite in the zone at the time.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=25011 2257896


"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
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> DPA 3503 is the best I've ever used. Just a tad on the expensive side.
> DPA
> 4003 is also excellent. Earthworks SR30, Josephson c42MP, Gefell M270,
> Schoeps
> CMC 62 H, Sennheiser MKH800, Sanken Microphones CO-100k.
>
> lower cost SDs that works well include the Beyer MC930 and the Km84.
>
> Gene
>
> "Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Any favourites?I have an AT4031 and an akg C1000 and was
>>looking at a KM184.Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>Thanks. Eugene.
>
Re: Small dia. cond. mics/acoustic guitars [message #85002 is a reply to message #84973] Tue, 22 May 2007 15:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TCB is currently offline  TCB
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I think mics are the acoustic guitars of pro audio. A good $3000 acoustic
will sound notably better than a good $2000 guitar, and that rule keeps going
on from there. The cheaper mic options are obviously better than they were
fifteen years ago before a market existed for, say, a ribbon at $1k, but
every time I use someone else's really, really nice mics instead of my merely
nice mics I wish I made a lot more money.

TCB

"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I could have bought these mics for $3500.00 from the owner before they went

>to EBay .
>
>You don't know how tempted I was.......well yeah, you probably do ;o) the

>cashflow situation wasn't quite in the zone at the time.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=25011 2257896
>
>
>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>news:465257db$1@linux...
>>
>> DPA 3503 is the best I've ever used. Just a tad on the expensive side.

>> DPA
>> 4003 is also excellent. Earthworks SR30, Josephson c42MP, Gefell M270,

>> Schoeps
>> CMC 62 H, Sennheiser MKH800, Sanken Microphones CO-100k.
>>
>> lower cost SDs that works well include the Beyer MC930 and the Km84.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> "Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Any favourites?I have an AT4031 and an akg C1000 and was
>>>looking at a KM184.Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>>Thanks. Eugene.
>>
>
>
Re: Small dia. cond. mics/acoustic guitars [message #85013 is a reply to message #84937] Tue, 22 May 2007 18:27 Go to previous message
Bill L is currently offline  Bill L   UNITED STATES
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I use AKG 451s for all my SDC sources. They're pretty good. I used some
KM 184s for OHs recently and liked them better for that purpose. I had
some SM81s too, but to my ears they were not as good as the 451s on
anything really.

Bill



dale wrote:
> I'm also in the market for a small diaphragm / general purpose mic. If anyone
> has experience with Shure KSM141 or Shure SM81 I would appreciate their feedback
> on these as well. I have a KM184 which is a nice choice for acoustic guitar,
> and would expect the Shures to be less colored than the Neuman.
>
> I've also been told that with a pop filter the SM81 makes a very nice vocal
> mic--but I haven't heard much about the KSM141.
>
> Thanks,
> Dale
>
> P.S. I've been told the Octava small dia. mikes are nice for ac. guitar,
> but have also heard that their quality can vary significantly from mic to
> mic.
>
>
> "Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Any favourites?I have an AT4031 and an akg C1000 and was
>> looking at a KM184.Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>> Thanks. Eugene.
>
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