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Crazy monitoring situation I need help with [message #68311] Tue, 16 May 2006 14:15 Go to next message
cujo is currently offline  cujo
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Ok, I am producing some work right now that calls for something special.
My idead is getting a large group of people together for a background vocal
session. I am talking 15 or so.
Can someone explain to me the best way to set up speakers out of phase so
it cancels out the caranking basic track i want them to sing to? I think
I will need big cheepo home speakers to crank up loud and big..not an extra
pair of 6.5;s or whatever..how did they do this stuff?
Re: Crazy monitoring situation I need help with [message #68313 is a reply to message #68311] Tue, 16 May 2006 14:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EK Sound is currently offline  EK Sound   CANADA
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Figure 8 pattern mics in a large fairly dead space. The speakers are
placed on either side of the mic in the dead zone, exactly the same
distance away from the mic. You can experiment with inverting the
polarity of one of the speakers as well. What I have also done is run
a pass of "just track" then flipped the phase on playback and blended
it with the track with the vocals on it. It is imperative that
NOTHING moves when doing this.... dynamics processing is also not an
option with this method.

David.

Cujo wrote:
> Ok, I am producing some work right now that calls for something special.
> My idead is getting a large group of people together for a background vocal
> session. I am talking 15 or so.
> Can someone explain to me the best way to set up speakers out of phase so
> it cancels out the caranking basic track i want them to sing to? I think
> I will need big cheepo home speakers to crank up loud and big..not an extra
> pair of 6.5;s or whatever..how did they do this stuff?
>
Re: Crazy monitoring situation I need help with [message #68314 is a reply to message #68313] Tue, 16 May 2006 15:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Neil is currently offline  Neil
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A better solution, IMO, is to not use speakers, but to have
one person wear headphones & lead the rest... the lead person
acts as a conductor, marking the tempo, and sings/hums a
reference note a couple beats before they're supposed to come
in, and off you go.

Neil


EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>Figure 8 pattern mics in a large fairly dead space. The speakers are
>placed on either side of the mic in the dead zone, exactly the same
>distance away from the mic. You can experiment with inverting the
>polarity of one of the speakers as well. What I have also done is run
>a pass of "just track" then flipped the phase on playback and blended
>it with the track with the vocals on it. It is imperative that
>NOTHING moves when doing this.... dynamics processing is also not an
>option with this method.
>
>David.
>
>Cujo wrote:
>> Ok, I am producing some work right now that calls for something special.
>> My idead is getting a large group of people together for a background
vocal
>> session. I am talking 15 or so.
>> Can someone explain to me the best way to set up speakers out of phase
so
>> it cancels out the caranking basic track i want them to sing to? I think
>> I will need big cheepo home speakers to crank up loud and big..not an
extra
>> pair of 6.5;s or whatever..how did they do this stuff?
>>
Re: Crazy monitoring situation I need help with [message #68315 is a reply to message #68314] Tue, 16 May 2006 15:23 Go to previous message
EK Sound is currently offline  EK Sound   CANADA
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Registered: June 2005
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I had a situation where I had to "stack" a 96 voice choir... I used
small PA boxes to direct the track at the choir and made sure the mics
were behind the speakers. I then phase inverted one pass to help
cancel some of the track leakage... worked great, and we didn't have
to buy 80 more headphones! :-)

David.

Neil wrote:

> A better solution, IMO, is to not use speakers, but to have
> one person wear headphones & lead the rest... the lead person
> acts as a conductor, marking the tempo, and sings/hums a
> reference note a couple beats before they're supposed to come
> in, and off you go.
>
> Neil
>
>
> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>Figure 8 pattern mics in a large fairly dead space. The speakers are
>>placed on either side of the mic in the dead zone, exactly the same
>>distance away from the mic. You can experiment with inverting the
>>polarity of one of the speakers as well. What I have also done is run
>>a pass of "just track" then flipped the phase on playback and blended
>>it with the track with the vocals on it. It is imperative that
>>NOTHING moves when doing this.... dynamics processing is also not an
>>option with this method.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>Cujo wrote:
>>
>>>Ok, I am producing some work right now that calls for something special.
>>>My idead is getting a large group of people together for a background
>
> vocal
>
>>>session. I am talking 15 or so.
>>>Can someone explain to me the best way to set up speakers out of phase
>
> so
>
>>>it cancels out the caranking basic track i want them to sing to? I think
>>>I will need big cheepo home speakers to crank up loud and big..not an
>
> extra
>
>>>pair of 6.5;s or whatever..how did they do this stuff?
>>>
>
>
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