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Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67736] Fri, 05 May 2006 20:35 Go to next message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
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Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, or you
don't.

There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but then
he's in the business of convincing people of that:
http://www.perfectpitch.com/

I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell it
out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the bargain
of the century.

Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person who
was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or developed
it, later? Is it possible?

I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody can develop
it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key it's
in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start imagining
chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are, and
that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound like
mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within about
5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a song on
the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what chord
is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by referring
to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note straight
off.

Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it?

I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative pitch
is pretty good usually.

Any opinions?

Cheers,
Kim.

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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67739 is a reply to message #67736] Fri, 05 May 2006 20:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
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Kim,

I can tune a guitar (A=440hz) without any reference. I can do it
consistently, from scratch.

If you hit middle C on a piano, I wouldn't have a clue what it was.

I think there may be degrees of pitch recognition....then again, I'm also
colorblind in that I can see differences in the color spectrum but I can't
tell you the names of the colors......ie.......grass is red, unless there is
a red reference that I can see....then I can tell it is green.......same
scenario with green and grey, blue and purple, brown and green and the list
goes on.

Deej




ux...
>
>
> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, or
you
> don't.
>
> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but then
> he's in the business of convincing people of that:
> http://www.perfectpitch.com/
>
> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell it
> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the bargain
> of the century.
>
> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person who
> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or developed
> it, later? Is it possible?
>
> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody can
develop
> it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key it's
> in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start imagining
> chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are, and
> that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound
like
> mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within about
> 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a song on
> the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what chord
> is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by
referring
> to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note
straight
> off.
>
> Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it?
>
> I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative pitch
> is pretty good usually.
>
> Any opinions?
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.

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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67741 is a reply to message #67736] Fri, 05 May 2006 21:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Martin Harrington is currently offline  Martin Harrington   AUSTRALIA
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Sounds like a con to me Kim.
If it was any good at all, I'm sure they would be charging a lot more than
$139.
Remember the old adage... "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably
is".
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com

"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:445c1990$1@linux...
>
>
> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, or
> you
> don't.
>
> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but then
> he's in the business of convincing people of that:
> http://www.perfectpitch.com/
>
> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell it
> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the bargain
> of the century.
>
> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person who
> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or developed
> it, later? Is it possible?
>
> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody can
> develop
> it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key it's
> in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start imagining
> chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are, and
> that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound
> like
> mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within about
> 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a song on
> the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what chord
> is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by
> referring
> to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note
> straight
> off.
>
> Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it?
>
> I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative pitch
> is pretty good usually.
>
> Any opinions?
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.

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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67743 is a reply to message #67739] Fri, 05 May 2006 21:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
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Funny you should mention color - that is how I hear pitches, in colorations
and degrees, and I can't believe I'm the only one it works like this with.
Kind of like when you hear an open E on a Gtr, you just know it's an open E.
It's a blessing "and" a curse. When something's off it's like swallowing
rusty roofing nails having to listen to it.

AA


"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:445c1f01@linux...
> Kim,
>
> I can tune a guitar (A=440hz) without any reference. I can do it
> consistently, from scratch.
>
> If you hit middle C on a piano, I wouldn't have a clue what it was.
>
> I think there may be degrees of pitch recognition....then again, I'm also
> colorblind in that I can see differences in the color spectrum but I can't
> tell you the names of the colors......ie.......grass is red, unless there
> is
> a red reference that I can see....then I can tell it is green.......same
> scenario with green and grey, blue and purple, brown and green and the
> list
> goes on.
>
> Deej
>
>
>
>
> ux...
>>
>>
>> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, or
> you
>> don't.
>>
>> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but
>> then
>> he's in the business of convincing people of that:
>> http://www.perfectpitch.com/
>>
>> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell
>> it
>> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the bargain
>> of the century.
>>
>> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person who
>> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or developed
>> it, later? Is it possible?
>>
>> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody can
> develop
>> it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key
>> it's
>> in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start imagining
>> chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are,
>> and
>> that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound
> like
>> mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within about
>> 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a song
>> on
>> the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what chord
>> is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by
> referring
>> to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note
> straight
>> off.
>>
>> Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it?
>>
>> I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative pitch
>> is pretty good usually.
>>
>> Any opinions?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>
>


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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67744 is a reply to message #67741] Fri, 05 May 2006 21:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
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Registered: October 2005
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Might be right.

The other thing I'm considering is this:
http://www.brenthugh.com/eartest/

It's only $12US, an amount I can put up with losing, and would possibly be
more helpful, in that at least it allows you to make practicle use of the
skills, and tests you as you go.

My pitching ability has very slowly improved over the years... I can't help
but think that some form of training might assist.

Cheers,
Kim.

"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>Sounds like a con to me Kim.
>If it was any good at all, I'm sure they would be charging a lot more than

>$139.
>Remember the old adage... "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably

>is".
>--
>Martin Harrington
>www.lendanear-sound.com
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:445c1990$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, or

>> you
>> don't.
>>
>> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but
then
>> he's in the business of convincing people of that:
>> http://www.perfectpitch.com/
>>
>> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell
it
>> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the bargain
>> of the century.
>>
>> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person
who
>> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or developed
>> it, later? Is it possible?
>>
>> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody can

>> develop
>> it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key
it's
>> in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start imagining
>> chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are,
and
>> that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound

>> like
>> mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within about
>> 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a song
on
>> the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what chord
>> is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by

>> referring
>> to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note

>> straight
>> off.
>>
>> Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it?
>>
>> I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative pitch
>> is pretty good usually.
>>
>> Any opinions?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>
>

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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67745 is a reply to message #67743] Fri, 05 May 2006 21:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
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"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Funny you should mention color - that is how I hear pitches, in colorations

>and degrees, and I can't believe I'm the only one it works like this with.

I was considering a while back maybe trying to write down the colors I felt
were represented by each note. Do you actually mean that literally? That
the notes are colors? Like, is there a note that's orange to you? If so,
have you even compared to somebody else to see if both of you a "hearing
the same colors"?

>Kind of like when you hear an open E on a Gtr, you just know it's an open
E.

Yeh, there's no missing that... or a G chord is pretty obvious.

>It's a blessing "and" a curse. When something's off it's like swallowing

>rusty roofing nails having to listen to it.

I've heard this said by many with perfect pitch. I can't help but think the
advantages outweight the disadvantages. I have enough perfect pitch already
that I sometimes get thrown when I'm on a flat instrument. In fact it surprises
me that I evidently do use some small amount of perfect pitch in my playing...
every now again on a flat instrument I'll do something where I play a wrong
chord and then realise "Hold on, that would have been right if the instrument
was the right pitch".

So, do you actually think of actual colors? If so, would you mind listing
the colors for me for each note? That might come in very handy...

Cheers,
Kim.

>
>AA
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:445c1f01@linux...
>> Kim,
>>
>> I can tune a guitar (A=440hz) without any reference. I can do it
>> consistently, from scratch.
>>
>> If you hit middle C on a piano, I wouldn't have a clue what it was.
>>
>> I think there may be degrees of pitch recognition....then again, I'm also
>> colorblind in that I can see differences in the color spectrum but I can't
>> tell you the names of the colors......ie.......grass is red, unless there

>> is
>> a red reference that I can see....then I can tell it is green.......same
>> scenario with green and grey, blue and purple, brown and green and the

>> list
>> goes on.
>>
>> Deej
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ux...
>>>
>>>
>>> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it,
or
>> you
>>> don't.
>>>
>>> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but

>>> then
>>> he's in the business of convincing people of that:
>>> http://www.perfectpitch.com/
>>>
>>> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell

>>> it
>>> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the bargain
>>> of the century.
>>>
>>> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person
who
>>> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or developed
>>> it, later? Is it possible?
>>>
>>> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody can
>> develop
>>> it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key

>>> it's
>>> in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start imagining
>>> chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are,

>>> and
>>> that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound
>> like
>>> mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within about
>>> 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a song

>>> on
>>> the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what chord
>>> is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by
>> referring
>>> to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note
>> straight
>>> off.
>>>
>>> Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it?
>>>
>>> I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative pitch
>>> is pretty good usually.
>>>
>>> Any opinions?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Kim.
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67747 is a reply to message #67736] Fri, 05 May 2006 21:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tom Bruhl is currently offline  Tom Bruhl   UNITED STATES
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Kim,
Have you finished your jazz training?!?!
Wow.

Really though,
What is it about perfect pitch that you would like?
It would drive me bananas. I have really good relative pitch
and it bugs me enough with the less than perfect
studio clients.

Start with intervals. Move on to chords (inversions too).
Be able to sing what you hear. I can use any CD for ear
training. It's almost a constant in my world. Just focus
on bass, vocal or whatever is somewhat deceiving to you.
If you can sing it you are more than half way there.
I'm listening,
Tom
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
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or you
don't.

There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but =
then
he's in the business of convincing people of that:
http://www.perfectpitch.com/

I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to =
shell it
out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the =
bargain
of the century.

Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person =
who
was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or =
developed
it, later? Is it possible?

I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody =
can develop
it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key =
it's
in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start =
imagining
chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are, =
and
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like
mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within =
about
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song on
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is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by =
referring
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note straight
off.

Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it?

I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative =
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Cheers,
Kim.
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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67748 is a reply to message #67747] Fri, 05 May 2006 21:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
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>Have you finished your jazz training?!?!
>Wow.

Hehe, I don't muck about. ;o) Seriously though, I figure it would help a
lot with jazz, due to the nature of jazz performance often involving musos
making chord substitutions, and choosing their own scales. The better your
ear, the better you can tell what everyone else is doing, and the better
you can adapt.

>What is it about perfect pitch that you would like?

To be able to know exactly what's going on musically at any given point in
time, without question... hence allowing me to focus only on playing, and
never have to worry about working out what will fit.

>It would drive me bananas. I have really good relative pitch
>and it bugs me enough with the less than perfect
>studio clients.

True. I've given up recording other people though. For now anyhow. I used
to find it too frustrating. I find it frustrating enough dealing with my
own inadequacies, so when a client is less skilled than me... ARGHHH!!!

My relative pitch is quite good. I mean give me your average pop song, and
if I am told, or able to work out, what key it's in, I can for the most part
follow the whole thing all the way through in terms of what the chords are
doing and the like. I get thrown a bit by odd key changes and the like however.
I'd like my perception to be bullet proof.

I learned music initially by the Suzuki method, which is by ear, so my ear
is generally very good. I just think it would be nice if it was better.

Cheers,
Kim.

>Start with intervals. Move on to chords (inversions too).
>Be able to sing what you hear. I can use any CD for ear
>training. It's almost a constant in my world. Just focus
>on bass, vocal or whatever is somewhat deceiving to you.
>If you can sing it you are more than half way there.
>I'm listening,
>Tom
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
>news:445c1990$1@linux...
>
>
> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, =
>or you
> don't.
>
> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but
=
>then
> he's in the business of convincing people of that:
> http://www.perfectpitch.com/
>
> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to =
>shell it
> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the =
>bargain
> of the century.
>
> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person
=
>who
> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or =
>developed
> it, later? Is it possible?
>
> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody =
>can develop
> it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key
=
>it's
> in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start =
>imagining
> chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are,
=
>and
> that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound
=
>like
> mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within =
>about
> 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a =
>song on
> the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what =
>chord
> is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by
=
>referring
> to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every =
>note straight
> off.
>
> Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it?
>
> I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative =
>pitch
> is pretty good usually.
>
> Any opinions?
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Kim,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Have you finished your jazz=20
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Wow.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Really though,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What is it about perfect pitch that=20
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It would drive me bananas. I have =
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and it bugs me enough with the less =
>than=20
>perfect</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>studio clients.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Start with intervals. Move on to =
>chords=20
>(inversions too).</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Be able to sing what you hear. I =
>can use any=20
>CD for ear</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>training. It's almost a constant =
>in my=20
>world. Just focus</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>on bass, vocal or whatever is somewhat
=
>deceiving to=20
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you can sing it you are more than =
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm listening,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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> <DIV>"Kim" <<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:hiddensounds@hotmail.com">hiddensounds@hotmail.com</A>>=
> wrote=20
> in message <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:445c1990$1@linux">news:445c1990$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR><BR>=
>Now=20
> there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, or=20
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=
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>learned? Has=20
> anybody done it?<BR><BR>I know relative pitch is just a matter of =
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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67749 is a reply to message #67748] Fri, 05 May 2006 21:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John Macy is currently offline  John Macy
Messages: 242
Registered: April 2006
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Damn--all this time time I thought perfect pitch was\
being able to throw a harmonica 25 feet into a toilet
without hitting the rim...

:(


"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Have you finished your jazz training?!?!
>>Wow.
>
>Hehe, I don't muck about. ;o) Seriously though, I figure it would help a
>lot with jazz, due to the nature of jazz performance often involving musos
>making chord substitutions, and choosing their own scales. The better your
>ear, the better you can tell what everyone else is doing, and the better
>you can adapt.
>
>>What is it about perfect pitch that you would like?
>
>To be able to know exactly what's going on musically at any given point
in
>time, without question... hence allowing me to focus only on playing, and
>never have to worry about working out what will fit.
>
>>It would drive me bananas. I have really good relative pitch
>>and it bugs me enough with the less than perfect
>>studio clients.
>
>True. I've given up recording other people though. For now anyhow. I used
>to find it too frustrating. I find it frustrating enough dealing with my
>own inadequacies, so when a client is less skilled than me... ARGHHH!!!
>
>My relative pitch is quite good. I mean give me your average pop song, and
>if I am told, or able to work out, what key it's in, I can for the most
part
>follow the whole thing all the way through in terms of what the chords are
>doing and the like. I get thrown a bit by odd key changes and the like however.
>I'd like my perception to be bullet proof.
>
>I learned music initially by the Suzuki method, which is by ear, so my ear
>is generally very good. I just think it would be nice if it was better.
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>>Start with intervals. Move on to chords (inversions too).
>>Be able to sing what you hear. I can use any CD for ear
>>training. It's almost a constant in my world. Just focus
>>on bass, vocal or whatever is somewhat deceiving to you.
>>If you can sing it you are more than half way there.
>>I'm listening,
>>Tom
>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
>>news:445c1990$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it,
=
>>or you
>> don't.
>>
>> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but
>=
>>then
>> he's in the business of convincing people of that:
>> http://www.perfectpitch.com/
>>
>> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to =
>>shell it
>> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the =
>>bargain
>> of the century.
>>
>> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person
>=
>>who
>> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or =
>>developed
>> it, later? Is it possible?
>>
>> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody =
>>can develop
>> it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key
>=
>>it's
>> in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start =
>>imagining
>> chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are,
>=
>>and
>> that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound
>=
>>like
>> mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within =
>>about
>> 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a =
>>song on
>> the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what =
>>chord
>> is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by
>=
>>referring
>> to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every =
>>note straight
>> off.
>>
>> Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it?
>>
>> I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative =
>>pitch
>> is pretty good usually.
>>
>> Any opinions?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>>
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>></HEAD>
>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Kim,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Have you finished your jazz=20
>>training?!?!</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Wow.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Really though,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What is it about perfect pitch that=20
>>you would like?</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It would drive me bananas. I have =
>>really good=20
>>relative pitch</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and it bugs me enough with the less =
>>than=20
>>perfect</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>studio clients.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Start with intervals. Move on to =
>>chords=20
>>(inversions too).</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Be able to sing what you hear. I =
>>can use any=20
>>CD for ear</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>training. It's almost a constant =
>>in my=20
>>world. Just focus</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>on bass, vocal or whatever is somewhat
>=
>>deceiving to=20
>>you.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you can sing it you are more than =
>>half way=20
>>there.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm listening,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> <DIV>"Kim" <<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"mailto:hiddensounds@hotmail.com">hiddensounds@hotmail.com</A>>=
>> wrote=20
>> in message <A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"news:445c1990$1@linux">news:445c1990$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR><BR>=
>>Now=20
>> there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, or=20
>> you<BR>don't.<BR><BR>There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it
>=
>>can be=20
>> learned, but then<BR>he's in the business of convincing people of =
>>that:<BR><A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"http://www.perfectpitch.com/">http://www.perfectpitch.com/</A><BR=
>>><BR>I'm=20
>> thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell =
>>it<BR>out=20
>> for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the =
>>bargain<BR>of the=20
>> century.<BR><BR>Does anybody here actually know anyone who has =
>>developed it? A=20
>> person who<BR>was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned
>=
>>it, or=20
>> developed<BR>it, later? Is it possible?<BR><BR>I have kinda of partial
>=
>>perfect=20
>> pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody can develop<BR>it that I would be
>=
>>able to.=20
>> Sometimes I hear a song and know what key it's<BR>in straight away. It
>=
>>can=20
>> just be obvious to me. And if I start imagining<BR>chords on piano =
>>usually I=20
>> can hear them, and know what pitch they are, and<BR>that they are =
>>right in my=20
>> head, and know exactly what they would sound like<BR>mostly. I can =
>>tune a=20
>> guitar with no strings on it and get it within about<BR>5-10 cents of
>=
>>in tune=20
>> every time. But I can't reliably listen to a song on<BR>the radio and
>=
>>just=20
>> easily hear what key it's in each time, or what chord<BR>is playing,
=
>>or what=20
>> note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by referring<BR>to =
>>other songs=20
>> in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note=20
>> straight<BR>off.<BR><BR>Do you think it's something that can be =
>>learned? Has=20
>> anybody done it?<BR><BR>I know relative pitch is just a matter of =
>>training,=20
>> but my relative pitch<BR>is pretty good usually.<BR><BR>Any=20
>> opinions?<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>Kim.</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML >
>>
>>
>

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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67750 is a reply to message #67745] Fri, 05 May 2006 22:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Latham is currently offline  Chris Latham   UNITED STATES
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Kim,

sounds like you may be experiencing some synesthesia.

CL

http://synesthesia.com/

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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67752 is a reply to message #67749] Fri, 05 May 2006 21:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
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ROTFL!!!!!...........or an accordian

;o)

"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
news:445c2939$1@linux...
>
> Damn--all this time time I thought perfect pitch was\
> being able to throw a harmonica 25 feet into a toilet
> without hitting the rim...
>
> :(
>
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Have you finished your jazz training?!?!
> >>Wow.
> >
> >Hehe, I don't muck about. ;o) Seriously though, I figure it would help a
> >lot with jazz, due to the nature of jazz performance often involving
musos
> >making chord substitutions, and choosing their own scales. The better
your
> >ear, the better you can tell what everyone else is doing, and the better
> >you can adapt.
> >
> >>What is it about perfect pitch that you would like?
> >
> >To be able to know exactly what's going on musically at any given point
> in
> >time, without question... hence allowing me to focus only on playing,
and
> >never have to worry about working out what will fit.
> >
> >>It would drive me bananas. I have really good relative pitch
> >>and it bugs me enough with the less than perfect
> >>studio clients.
> >
> >True. I've given up recording other people though. For now anyhow. I used
> >to find it too frustrating. I find it frustrating enough dealing with my
> >own inadequacies, so when a client is less skilled than me... ARGHHH!!!
> >
> >My relative pitch is quite good. I mean give me your average pop song,
and
> >if I am told, or able to work out, what key it's in, I can for the most
> part
> >follow the whole thing all the way through in terms of what the chords
are
> >doing and the like. I get thrown a bit by odd key changes and the like
however.
> >I'd like my perception to be bullet proof.
> >
> >I learned music initially by the Suzuki method, which is by ear, so my
ear
> >is generally very good. I just think it would be nice if it was better.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Kim.
> >
> >>Start with intervals. Move on to chords (inversions too).
> >>Be able to sing what you hear. I can use any CD for ear
> >>training. It's almost a constant in my world. Just focus
> >>on bass, vocal or whatever is somewhat deceiving to you.
> >>If you can sing it you are more than half way there.
> >>I'm listening,
> >>Tom
> >> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
> >>news:445c1990$1@linux...
> >>
> >>
> >> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it,
> =
> >>or you
> >> don't.
> >>
> >> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but
> >=
> >>then
> >> he's in the business of convincing people of that:
> >> http://www.perfectpitch.com/
> >>
> >> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to =
> >>shell it
> >> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the =
> >>bargain
> >> of the century.
> >>
> >> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person
> >=
> >>who
> >> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or =
> >>developed
> >> it, later? Is it possible?
> >>
> >> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody =
> >>can develop
> >> it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key
> >=
> >>it's
> >> in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start =
> >>imagining
> >> chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are,
> >=
> >>and
> >> that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound
> >=
> >>like
> >> mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within =
> >>about
> >> 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a =
> >>song on
> >> the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what =
> >>chord
> >> is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by
> >=
> >>referring
> >> to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every =
> >>note straight
> >> off.
> >>
> >> Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it?
> >>
> >> I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative =
> >>pitch
> >> is pretty good usually.
> >>
> >> Any opinions?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Kim.
> >>
> >><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> >><HTML><HEAD>
> >><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
> >>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
> >><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR>
> >><STYLE></STYLE>
> >></HEAD>
> >><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Kim,</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Have you finished your jazz=20
> >>training?!?!</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Wow.</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Really though,</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What is it about perfect pitch that=20
> >>you would like?</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It would drive me bananas. I have =
> >>really good=20
> >>relative pitch</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and it bugs me enough with the less =
> >>than=20
> >>perfect</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>studio clients.</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Start with intervals. Move on to =
> >>chords=20
> >>(inversions too).</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Be able to sing what you hear. I =
> >>can use any=20
> >>CD for ear</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>training. It's almost a constant =
> >>in my=20
> >>world. Just focus</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>on bass, vocal or whatever is somewhat
> >=
> >>deceiving to=20
> >>you.</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you can sing it you are more than =
> >>half way=20
> >>there.</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm listening,</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> >><BLOCKQUOTE=20
> >>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
> >>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> >> <DIV>"Kim" <<A=20
> >> =
> >>href=3D"mailto:hiddensounds@hotmail.com">hiddensounds@hotmail.com</A>>=
> >> wrote=20
> >> in message <A=20
> >> =
>
>>href=3D"news:445c1990$1@linux">news:445c1990$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR><BR>=
> >>Now=20
> >> there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, or=20
> >> you<BR>don't.<BR><BR>There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it
> >=
> >>can be=20
> >> learned, but then<BR>he's in the business of convincing people of =
> >>that:<BR><A=20
> >> =
>
>>href=3D"http://www.perfectpitch.com/">http://www.perfectpitch.com/</A><BR=
> >>><BR>I'm=20
> >> thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell =
> >>it<BR>out=20
> >> for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the =
> >>bargain<BR>of the=20
> >> century.<BR><BR>Does anybody here actually know anyone who has =
> >>developed it? A=20
> >> person who<BR>was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned
> >=
> >>it, or=20
> >> developed<BR>it, later? Is it possible?<BR><BR>I have kinda of partial
> >=
> >>perfect=20
> >> pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody can develop<BR>it that I would be
> >=
> >>able to.=20
> >> Sometimes I hear a song and know what key it's<BR>in straight away. It
> >=
> >>can=20
> >> just be obvious to me. And if I start imagining<BR>chords on piano =
> >>usually I=20
> >> can hear them, and know what pitch they are, and<BR>that they are =
> >>right in my=20
> >> head, and know exactly what they would sound like<BR>mostly. I can =
> >>tune a=20
> >> guitar with no strings on it and get it within about<BR>5-10 cents of
> >=
> >>in tune=20
> >> every time. But I can't reliably listen to a song on<BR>the radio and
> >=
> >>just=20
> >> easily hear what key it's in each time, or what chord<BR>is playing,
> =
> >>or what=20
> >> note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by referring<BR>to =
> >>other songs=20
> >> in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note=20
> >> straight<BR>off.<BR><BR>Do you think it's something that can be =
> >>learned? Has=20
> >> anybody done it?<BR><BR>I know relative pitch is just a matter of =
> >>training,=20
> >> but my relative pitch<BR>is pretty good usually.<BR><BR>Any=20
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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67753 is a reply to message #67745] Fri, 05 May 2006 22:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
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More like shades of coloring.. not hard black/white colors.
AA

"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:445c2473$1@linux...
>
> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>Funny you should mention color - that is how I hear pitches, in
>>colorations
>
>>and degrees, and I can't believe I'm the only one it works like this with.
>
> I was considering a while back maybe trying to write down the colors I
> felt
> were represented by each note. Do you actually mean that literally? That
> the notes are colors? Like, is there a note that's orange to you? If so,
> have you even compared to somebody else to see if both of you a "hearing
> the same colors"?
>
>>Kind of like when you hear an open E on a Gtr, you just know it's an open
> E.
>
> Yeh, there's no missing that... or a G chord is pretty obvious.
>
>>It's a blessing "and" a curse. When something's off it's like swallowing
>
>>rusty roofing nails having to listen to it.
>
> I've heard this said by many with perfect pitch. I can't help but think
> the
> advantages outweight the disadvantages. I have enough perfect pitch
> already
> that I sometimes get thrown when I'm on a flat instrument. In fact it
> surprises
> me that I evidently do use some small amount of perfect pitch in my
> playing...
> every now again on a flat instrument I'll do something where I play a
> wrong
> chord and then realise "Hold on, that would have been right if the
> instrument
> was the right pitch".
>
> So, do you actually think of actual colors? If so, would you mind listing
> the colors for me for each note? That might come in very handy...
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
>>
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>news:445c1f01@linux...
>>> Kim,
>>>
>>> I can tune a guitar (A=440hz) without any reference. I can do it
>>> consistently, from scratch.
>>>
>>> If you hit middle C on a piano, I wouldn't have a clue what it was.
>>>
>>> I think there may be degrees of pitch recognition....then again, I'm
>>> also
>>> colorblind in that I can see differences in the color spectrum but I
>>> can't
>>> tell you the names of the colors......ie.......grass is red, unless
>>> there
>
>>> is
>>> a red reference that I can see....then I can tell it is green.......same
>>> scenario with green and grey, blue and purple, brown and green and the
>
>>> list
>>> goes on.
>>>
>>> Deej
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it,
> or
>>> you
>>>> don't.
>>>>
>>>> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but
>
>>>> then
>>>> he's in the business of convincing people of that:
>>>> http://www.perfectpitch.com/
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell
>
>>>> it
>>>> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the
>>>> bargain
>>>> of the century.
>>>>
>>>> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person
> who
>>>> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or
>>>> developed
>>>> it, later? Is it possible?
>>>>
>>>> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody can
>>> develop
>>>> it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key
>
>>>> it's
>>>> in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start
>>>> imagining
>>>> chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are,
>
>>>> and
>>>> that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound
>>> like
>>>> mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within
>>>> about
>>>> 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a song
>
>>>> on
>>>> the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what
>>>> chord
>>>> is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by
>>> referring
>>>> to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note
>>> straight
>>>> off.
>>>>
>>>> Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it?
>>>>
>>>> I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative
>>>> pitch
>>>> is pretty good usually.
>>>>
>>>> Any opinions?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Kim.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>
>>
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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67754 is a reply to message #67753] Fri, 05 May 2006 22:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
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Tell me, would I be kinda right in saying that, as you follow the circle
of fifths, that the character of the color sort of changes slowly as you
go through the fifths?

For example, I would say, as an overall statement, that keys that feature
flats sound, as a rule, more mellow, where keys that feature sharps are a
little more, umm, brittle kind of. An Eb, as a note, is quite mellow. It
seems to me that certain characteristics of notes change as you move through
the fifths. It's difficult to describe, but I think I have an understanding
of the phenomena.

Does that kind of line up with what you hear?

Cheers,
Kim.

"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>More like shades of coloring.. not hard black/white colors.
>AA
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:445c2473$1@linux...
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>Funny you should mention color - that is how I hear pitches, in
>>>colorations
>>
>>>and degrees, and I can't believe I'm the only one it works like this with.
>>
>> I was considering a while back maybe trying to write down the colors I

>> felt
>> were represented by each note. Do you actually mean that literally? That
>> the notes are colors? Like, is there a note that's orange to you? If so,
>> have you even compared to somebody else to see if both of you a "hearing
>> the same colors"?
>>
>>>Kind of like when you hear an open E on a Gtr, you just know it's an open
>> E.
>>
>> Yeh, there's no missing that... or a G chord is pretty obvious.
>>
>>>It's a blessing "and" a curse. When something's off it's like swallowing
>>
>>>rusty roofing nails having to listen to it.
>>
>> I've heard this said by many with perfect pitch. I can't help but think

>> the
>> advantages outweight the disadvantages. I have enough perfect pitch
>> already
>> that I sometimes get thrown when I'm on a flat instrument. In fact it

>> surprises
>> me that I evidently do use some small amount of perfect pitch in my
>> playing...
>> every now again on a flat instrument I'll do something where I play a

>> wrong
>> chord and then realise "Hold on, that would have been right if the
>> instrument
>> was the right pitch".
>>
>> So, do you actually think of actual colors? If so, would you mind listing
>> the colors for me for each note? That might come in very handy...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>>
>>>
>>>AA
>>>
>>>
>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>>news:445c1f01@linux...
>>>> Kim,
>>>>
>>>> I can tune a guitar (A=440hz) without any reference. I can do it
>>>> consistently, from scratch.
>>>>
>>>> If you hit middle C on a piano, I wouldn't have a clue what it was.
>>>>
>>>> I think there may be degrees of pitch recognition....then again, I'm

>>>> also
>>>> colorblind in that I can see differences in the color spectrum but I

>>>> can't
>>>> tell you the names of the colors......ie.......grass is red, unless

>>>> there
>>
>>>> is
>>>> a red reference that I can see....then I can tell it is green.......same
>>>> scenario with green and grey, blue and purple, brown and green and the
>>
>>>> list
>>>> goes on.
>>>>
>>>> Deej
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it,
>> or
>>>> you
>>>>> don't.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but
>>
>>>>> then
>>>>> he's in the business of convincing people of that:
>>>>> http://www.perfectpitch.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell
>>
>>>>> it
>>>>> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the
>>>>> bargain
>>>>> of the century.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person
>> who
>>>>> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or
>>>>> developed
>>>>> it, later? Is it possible?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody
can
>>>> develop
>>>>> it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key
>>
>>>>> it's
>>>>> in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start
>>>>> imagining
>>>>> chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are,
>>
>>>>> and
>>>>> that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound
>>>> like
>>>>> mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within

>>>>> about
>>>>> 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a
song
>>
>>>>> on
>>>>> the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what

>>>>> chord
>>>>> is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out,
by
>>>> referring
>>>>> to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every
note
>>>> straight
>>>>> off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it?
>>>>>
>>>>> I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative

>>>>> pitch
>>>>> is pretty good usually.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any opinions?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Kim.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67755 is a reply to message #67748] Fri, 05 May 2006 22:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kim,
I'd focus on intervals for the sake of hearing lines in jazz.
Next I'd focus on harmony too. Hearing chords in all inversions.
Diatonic or not. Keys are only relative. Use your interval
training to hear the deceiving chord changes/melodies.

Go to a piano and plunk out two notes. State the interval.
Jump more than an octave or two also. When you can do that
you're in a good place. Get someone to play voicings/chord changes=20
for you. Be able to pick them out major, minor, diminished, augmented=20
with and without tensions. They shouldn't always be from the same key.=20

When you feel comforable with this you'll be glad you don't have perfect =
pitch.
I've known two people with it and was quite distracting to them.

Site sing written melodies too. There's a lesson. Give yourself the =
starting note.
Sing the melody and see how close you are at the end. It all comes back =
to intervals.

Just a few ideas to try without spending $$$.
Have fun with it,
Tom=20
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:445c2796$1@linux...

>Have you finished your jazz training?!?!
>Wow.

Hehe, I don't muck about. ;o) Seriously though, I figure it would help =
a
lot with jazz, due to the nature of jazz performance often involving =
musos
making chord substitutions, and choosing their own scales. The better =
your
ear, the better you can tell what everyone else is doing, and the =
better
you can adapt.

>What is it about perfect pitch that you would like?

To be able to know exactly what's going on musically at any given =
point in
time, without question... hence allowing me to focus only on playing, =
and
never have to worry about working out what will fit.

>It would drive me bananas. I have really good relative pitch
>and it bugs me enough with the less than perfect
>studio clients.

True. I've given up recording other people though. For now anyhow. I =
used
to find it too frustrating. I find it frustrating enough dealing with =
my
own inadequacies, so when a client is less skilled than me... =
ARGHHH!!!

My relative pitch is quite good. I mean give me your average pop song, =
and
if I am told, or able to work out, what key it's in, I can for the =
most part
follow the whole thing all the way through in terms of what the chords =
are
doing and the like. I get thrown a bit by odd key changes and the like =
however.
I'd like my perception to be bullet proof.

I learned music initially by the Suzuki method, which is by ear, so my =
ear
is generally very good. I just think it would be nice if it was =
better.

Cheers,
Kim.

>Start with intervals. Move on to chords (inversions too).
>Be able to sing what you hear. I can use any CD for ear
>training. It's almost a constant in my world. Just focus
>on bass, vocal or whatever is somewhat deceiving to you.
>If you can sing it you are more than half way there.
>I'm listening,
>Tom
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message =3D
>news:445c1990$1@linux...
>
>
> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got =
it, =3D
>or you
> don't.
>
> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, =
but
=3D
>then
> he's in the business of convincing people of that:
> http://www.perfectpitch.com/
>
> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to =
=3D
>shell it
> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the =
=3D
>bargain
> of the century.
>
> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A =
person
=3D
>who
> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or =3D
>developed
> it, later? Is it possible?
>
> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody =
=3D
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> it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what =
key
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> in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start =3D
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> chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they =
are,
=3D
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> that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would =
sound
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> mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within =
=3D
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> 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a =
=3D
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> the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what =
=3D
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> is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, =
by
=3D
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> to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every =
=3D
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> off.
>
> Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done =
it?
>
> I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative =
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> is pretty good usually.
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> Cheers,
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changes/melodies.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Go to a piano and plunk out two =
notes.&nbsp; State=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jump more than an octave or two =
also.&nbsp; When=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>you're in a good place.&nbsp; Get =
someone to play=20
voicings/chord changes </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>for </FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>you.&nbsp; Be=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>with and without tensions.&nbsp; They =
</FONT><FONT=20
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key.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When you feel comforable with this =
you'll be glad=20
you&nbsp;don't&nbsp;have perfect pitch.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've known two people with it and was =
quite=20
distracting to them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Site sing written melodies too.&nbsp; =
There's a=20
lesson.&nbsp; Give yourself the starting note.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sing the melody and see how close you =
are at the=20
end.&nbsp; It all comes back to intervals.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just a few ideas to try without =
spending=20
$$$.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Have fun with it,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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=
href=3D"mailto:hiddensounds@hotmail.com">hiddensounds@hotmail.com</A>&gt;=
wrote=20
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=
href=3D"news:445c2796$1@linux">news:445c2796$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>&gt;=
Have=20
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muck=20
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jazz, due to=20
the nature of jazz performance often involving musos<BR>making chord=20
substitutions, and choosing their own scales. The better your<BR>ear, =
the=20
better you can tell what everyone else is doing, and the better<BR>you =
can=20
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I thought it was common knowledge that perfect pitch was being able to toss
a banjo into a dumpster, and, without hitting the sides, hit dead center
the accordion at the bottom.

-steve

yes, I used to play accordion with a banjo player...


"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>ROTFL!!!!!...........or an accordian
>
>;o)
>
>"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
>news:445c2939$1@linux...
>>
>> Damn--all this time time I thought perfect pitch was\
>> being able to throw a harmonica 25 feet into a toilet
>> without hitting the rim...
>>
>> :(
>>
>>
>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Have you finished your jazz training?!?!
>> >>Wow.
>> >
>> >Hehe, I don't muck about. ;o) Seriously though, I figure it would help
a
>> >lot with jazz, due to the nature of jazz performance often involving
>musos
>> >making chord substitutions, and choosing their own scales. The better
>your
>> >ear, the better you can tell what everyone else is doing, and the better
>> >you can adapt.
>> >
>> >>What is it about perfect pitch that you would like?
>> >
>> >To be able to know exactly what's going on musically at any given point
>> in
>> >time, without question... hence allowing me to focus only on playing,
>and
>> >never have to worry about working out what will fit.
>> >
>> >>It would drive me bananas. I have really good relative pitch
>> >>and it bugs me enough with the less than perfect
>> >>studio clients.
>> >
>> >True. I've given up recording other people though. For now anyhow. I
used
>> >to find it too frustrating. I find it frustrating enough dealing with
my
>> >own inadequacies, so when a client is less skilled than me... ARGHHH!!!
>> >
>> >My relative pitch is quite good. I mean give me your average pop song,
>and
>> >if I am told, or able to work out, what key it's in, I can for the most
>> part
>> >follow the whole thing all the way through in terms of what the chords
>are
>> >doing and the like. I get thrown a bit by odd key changes and the like
>however.
>> >I'd like my perception to be bullet proof.
>> >
>> >I learned music initially by the Suzuki method, which is by ear, so my
>ear
>> >is generally very good. I just think it would be nice if it was better.
>> >
>> >Cheers,
>> >Kim.
>> >
>> >>Start with intervals. Move on to chords (inversions too).
>> >>Be able to sing what you hear. I can use any CD for ear
>> >>training. It's almost a constant in my world. Just focus
>> >>on bass, vocal or whatever is somewhat deceiving to you.
>> >>If you can sing it you are more than half way there.
>> >>I'm listening,
>> >>Tom
>> >> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
>> >>news:445c1990$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it,
>> =
>> >>or you
>> >> don't.
>> >>
>> >> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned,
but
>> >=
>> >>then
>> >> he's in the business of convincing people of that:
>> >> http://www.perfectpitch.com/
>> >>
>> >> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to
=
>> >>shell it
>> >> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the =
>> >>bargain
>> >> of the century.
>> >>
>> >> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person
>> >=
>> >>who
>> >> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or =
>> >>developed
>> >> it, later? Is it possible?
>> >>
>> >> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody
=
>> >>can develop
>> >> it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what
key
>> >=
>> >>it's
>> >> in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start =
>> >>imagining
>> >> chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they
are,
>> >=
>> >>and
>> >> that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound
>> >=
>> >>like
>> >> mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within
=
>> >>about
>> >> 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a
=
>> >>song on
>> >> the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what
=
>> >>chord
>> >> is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out,
by
>> >=
>> >>referring
>> >> to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every
=
>> >>note straight
>> >> off.
>> >>
>> >> Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done
it?
>> >>
>> >> I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative
=
>> >>pitch
>> >> is pretty good usually.
>> >>
>> >> Any opinions?
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Kim.
>> >>
>> >><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
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>> >><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Kim,</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Have you finished your jazz=20
>> >>training?!?!</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Wow.</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Really though,</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What is it about perfect pitch that=20
>> >>you would like?</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It would drive me bananas. I have
=
>> >>really good=20
>> >>relative pitch</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and it bugs me enough with the less
=
>> >>than=20
>> >>perfect</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>studio clients.</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Start with intervals. Move on to =
>> >>chords=20
>> >>(inversions too).</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Be able to sing what you hear. I =
>> >>can use any=20
>> >>CD for ear</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>training. It's almost a constant =
>> >>in my=20
>> >>world. Just focus</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>on bass, vocal or whatever is somewhat
>> >=
>> >>deceiving to=20
>> >>you.</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you can sing it you are more than
=
>> >>half way=20
>> >>there.</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm listening,</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>> >><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>> >>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>> >>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> >> <DIV>"Kim" <<A=20
>> >> =
>> >>href=3D"mailto:hiddensounds@hotmail.com">hiddensounds@hotmail.com</A>>=
>> >> wrote=20
>> >> in message <A=20
>> >> =
>>
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>> >>Now=20
>> >> there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, or=20
>> >> you<BR>don't.<BR><BR>There's this guy on the other hand who reckons
it
>> >=
>> >>can be=20
>> >> learned, but then<BR>he's in the business of convincing people of
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>> >>that:<BR><A=20
>> >> =
>>
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>> >>><BR>I'm=20
>> >> thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell
=
>> >>it<BR>out=20
>> >> for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the =
>> >>bargain<BR>of the=20
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>> >>developed it? A=20
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>> >=
>> >>it, or=20
>> >> developed<BR>it, later? Is it possible?<BR><BR>I have kinda of partial
>> >=
>> >>perfect=20
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>> >=
>> >>able to.=20
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>> >=
>> >>can=20
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=
>> >>right in my=20
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=
>> >>tune a=20
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>> >>in tune=20
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>> >=
>> >>just=20
>> >> easily hear what key it's in each time, or what chord<BR>is playing,
>> =
>> >>or what=20
>> >> note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by referring<BR>to
=
>> >>other songs=20
>> >> in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note=20
>> >> straight<BR>off.<BR><BR>Do you think it's something that can be =
>> >>learned? Has=20
>> >> anybody done it?<BR><BR>I know relative pitch is just a matter of
=
>> >>training,=20
>> >> but my relative pitch<BR>is pretty good usually.<BR><BR>Any=20
>> >> opinions?<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>Kim.</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML >
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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67757 is a reply to message #67754] Fri, 05 May 2006 23:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
steve the artguy is currently offline  steve the artguy
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"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
.. An Eb, as a note, is quite mellow.

Kim-

I have pretty good relative pitch, but very unpredictable perfect pitch.
Sometimes I think I know a tune's key, and I nail it. Other times I'm equally
sure, and I'm off by a fifth. Or a third.

If you have good relative pitch, and can hear in your head one good, solid
note, like an open E, you should be able to use this to determine any other
note you hear, by relative pitch. I had a teacher once who could "hear" an
A in his head, and used that to tell the pitch of everything else. Sounds
goofy, but it worked.

Long ago I got one of those courses. Same guy. It was only, oh, like $39
back then. This was long ago. Did I say that? Anyway, it as set up mostly
to use with another person, and I didn't have anyone around. But the first
lesson, sort of the demo, was to have your friend go to a piano and hit an
Eb, and then an F#. Have them hit a series of them. Listen to the difference
between them. The idea was that you wouldn't know which was which, but you'd
rapidly figure out that each note had its own qualities. Sure enough, there
was quite a difference, and not just the pitch. The Eb, as you say, was mellow,
and the F# was, relatively, quite grating. Then the instructions were to
go and do this on another instrument, because you'd honestly think it was
some peculiarity of your particular keyboard if you didn't. And sure enough,
I noticed that ALL Ebs were mellow, and all F#s were the opposite.

At this point I got distracted, and never talked anyone else into helping
along. The Dave Burg course is still around somewhere. Maybe it will turn
up.

-steve

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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67760 is a reply to message #67752] Sat, 06 May 2006 00:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
erlilo is currently offline  erlilo   NORWAY
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Don't say it too high, Steve is hearing you both. ;o)


"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i melding
news:445c2f9b@linux...
> ROTFL!!!!!...........or an accordian
>
> ;o)
>
> "John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
> news:445c2939$1@linux...
>>
>> Damn--all this time time I thought perfect pitch was\
>> being able to throw a harmonica 25 feet into a toilet
>> without hitting the rim...
>>
>> :(

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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67762 is a reply to message #67757] Sat, 06 May 2006 00:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
Messages: 1246
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"steve the artguy" <artguy@longtimenosee.net> wrote:
>Sometimes I think I know a tune's key, and I nail it. Other times I'm equally
>sure, and I'm off by a fifth. Or a third.

I can relate to this, though most often I'm either off by a 5th, or by a
semitone, and I'm reasonably confident my semitone errors date back to the
fact that I learned piano on an instrument that was almost a full semitone
flat. I often suspect if I'd learned on a concert pitch piano I'd be there
already.

>I had a teacher once who could "hear" an
>A in his head, and used that to tell the pitch of everything else.

Been doing it for years. ;o) I have a few songs and notes I can recall on
demand, though it's sometimes s struggle. Sometimes I have to turn the music
off in the room and get silence so I can imagine a reference note. Depends
what the key is and stuff. Certain keys are easy. Acoustic guitar songs in
G or E are very easy. Piano songs in C are easy (I mean there's a million
references you can call up). It can be hard sometimes though, to keep two
songs in your head at once and compare intervals, if they are in completely
different keys.

>Anyway, it as set up mostly
>to use with another person,

This is why I downloaded this:
http://www.brenthugh.com/eartest/

....it's the other person, for $12...

>the first
>lesson, sort of the demo, was to have your friend go to a piano and hit
an
>Eb, and then an F#.

Maybe I should start with those notes. They are quite obvious examples of
different tonal colors.

Cheers,
Kim.

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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it?What is it??? [message #67772 is a reply to message #67736] Sat, 06 May 2006 08:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tonehouse is currently offline  tonehouse   UNITED STATES
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Hi folks...You can "learn" relative pitch ..such as a 440 tuning fork
tone..if you hear it over and over again...now whether you can discern "339"
or "441" is very doubtful...Perfect Pitch would be someone who can name
EXACT frequencies...without hearing ANY pitch reference...I am a piano tuner
so A 440 is "Drilled" into my sub-conscious...and I can tune a guitar to 440
no problem...but that is "relative pitch"..Like someone else noted,learning
the intervals in Music, is way more important that naming a
frequency...unless you are a sound guy ,trying to find feedback from a sound
system,or EQ roll off...As far as "colors" of notes go..that is a very old
concept,dating back to the 1600's,before any "equal temperment" was set as a
"standard"...there were many different early "temperments",based on
feelings,colors,etc....cheers, Zan
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:445c1990$1@linux...
>
>
> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, or
you
> don't.
>
> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but then
> he's in the business of convincing people of that:
> http://www.perfectpitch.com/
>
> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell it
> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the bargain
> of the century.
>
> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person who
> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or developed
> it, later? Is it possible?
>
> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody can
develop
> it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key it's
> in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start imagining
> chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are, and
> that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound
like
> mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within about
> 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a song on
> the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what chord
> is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by
referring
> to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note
straight
> off.
>
> Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it?
>
> I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative pitch
> is pretty good usually.
>
> Any opinions?
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.

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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67778 is a reply to message #67736] Sat, 06 May 2006 10:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Don Nafe is currently offline  Don Nafe   UNITED STATES
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I've only met one person in my life with perfect pitch from no reference
note...he was a voice teacher that three band members used to take lessons
from...every week we'd try and stump him with some weird chord and he'd just
hit the correct notes then we'd check it on the piano and sure enough he was
dead on the money

Most singers and players I know have very good relevant pitch, meaning give
them a reference note and they're good to go from there i.e. any interval

You can learn relevant pitch and I did when studying tympani...try retuning
four tymps to a different key in the middle of a symphony...not hard once
you learn the trick...requires a little practice and a little singing

Don


"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:445c1990$1@linux...
>
>
> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, or
> you
> don't.
>
> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but then
> he's in the business of convincing people of that:
> http://www.perfectpitch.com/
>
> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell it
> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the bargain
> of the century.
>
> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person who
> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or developed
> it, later? Is it possible?
>
> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody can
> develop
> it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key it's
> in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start imagining
> chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are, and
> that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound
> like
> mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within about
> 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a song on
> the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what chord
> is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by
> referring
> to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note
> straight
> off.
>
> Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it?
>
> I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative pitch
> is pretty good usually.
>
> Any opinions?
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.

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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67784 is a reply to message #67754] Sat, 06 May 2006 11:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:445c331a$1@linux...
>
>
> Tell me, would I be kinda right in saying that, as you follow the circle
> of fifths, that the character of the color sort of changes slowly as you
> go through the fifths?

The charactor shades lighter as it moves up the scale tones. Not necessarily
the circle of fifths, although that fits also.

>
> For example, I would say, as an overall statement, that keys that feature
> flats sound, as a rule, more mellow, where keys that feature sharps are a
> little more, umm, brittle kind of.

I think this holds water on stringed/fingerboard instruments, although I
don't hear it in things like Piano and especially sampled instruments.
Another interesting part of that equation is when you detune a gtr (like Van
Halen does, for example) and you hear the colors/intonations but they're
off. More like a clouding, darkness added to each variation. Start adding in
synths to that detuning and things get even more cloudy when mix analyzing.
Again, like VH did

>An Eb, as a note, is quite mellow. It
> seems to me that certain characteristics of notes change as you move
> through
> the fifths. It's difficult to describe, but I think I have an
> understanding
> of the phenomena.
>
> Does that kind of line up with what you hear?
>
Well to varying degrees. Gee, I hate sounding so vague but it's something I
just kinda know, not a taught science. I have to admit to never really
digging deep and analyzing it. I tend to think that this part of 'perfect
pitch' cannot be taught, it's just a natural reaction to me. I do think that
given hearing capable of it, one can learn to hear these tones and analyze
it and conclude the same things, just in a more scientific and or
mathmatical way. But that's not new really... music is math and some see it
as math while others just seem to know natuarally.

> Cheers,
> Kim.

All that make enough sense man?
Cheers returned,
AA

>
> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>More like shades of coloring.. not hard black/white colors.
>>AA
>>
>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:445c2473$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>Funny you should mention color - that is how I hear pitches, in
>>>>colorations
>>>
>>>>and degrees, and I can't believe I'm the only one it works like this
>>>>with.
>>>
>>> I was considering a while back maybe trying to write down the colors I
>
>>> felt
>>> were represented by each note. Do you actually mean that literally? That
>>> the notes are colors? Like, is there a note that's orange to you? If so,
>>> have you even compared to somebody else to see if both of you a "hearing
>>> the same colors"?
>>>
>>>>Kind of like when you hear an open E on a Gtr, you just know it's an
>>>>open
>>> E.
>>>
>>> Yeh, there's no missing that... or a G chord is pretty obvious.
>>>
>>>>It's a blessing "and" a curse. When something's off it's like swallowing
>>>
>>>>rusty roofing nails having to listen to it.
>>>
>>> I've heard this said by many with perfect pitch. I can't help but think
>
>>> the
>>> advantages outweight the disadvantages. I have enough perfect pitch
>>> already
>>> that I sometimes get thrown when I'm on a flat instrument. In fact it
>
>>> surprises
>>> me that I evidently do use some small amount of perfect pitch in my
>>> playing...
>>> every now again on a flat instrument I'll do something where I play a
>
>>> wrong
>>> chord and then realise "Hold on, that would have been right if the
>>> instrument
>>> was the right pitch".
>>>
>>> So, do you actually think of actual colors? If so, would you mind
>>> listing
>>> the colors for me for each note? That might come in very handy...
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Kim.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>AA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:445c1f01@linux...
>>>>> Kim,
>>>>>
>>>>> I can tune a guitar (A=440hz) without any reference. I can do it
>>>>> consistently, from scratch.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you hit middle C on a piano, I wouldn't have a clue what it was.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think there may be degrees of pitch recognition....then again, I'm
>
>>>>> also
>>>>> colorblind in that I can see differences in the color spectrum but I
>
>>>>> can't
>>>>> tell you the names of the colors......ie.......grass is red, unless
>
>>>>> there
>>>
>>>>> is
>>>>> a red reference that I can see....then I can tell it is
>>>>> green.......same
>>>>> scenario with green and grey, blue and purple, brown and green and the
>>>
>>>>> list
>>>>> goes on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Deej
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it,
>>> or
>>>>> you
>>>>>> don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but
>>>
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> he's in the business of convincing people of that:
>>>>>> http://www.perfectpitch.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to
>>>>>> shell
>>>
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the
>>>>>> bargain
>>>>>> of the century.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person
>>> who
>>>>>> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or
>>>>>> developed
>>>>>> it, later? Is it possible?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody
> can
>>>>> develop
>>>>>> it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key
>>>
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start
>>>>>> imagining
>>>>>> chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they
>>>>>> are,
>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would
>>>>>> sound
>>>>> like
>>>>>> mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within
>
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a
> song
>>>
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what
>
>>>>>> chord
>>>>>> is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out,
> by
>>>>> referring
>>>>>> to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every
> note
>>>>> straight
>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative
>
>>>>>> pitch
>>>>>> is pretty good usually.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any opinions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Kim.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67785 is a reply to message #67778] Sat, 06 May 2006 11:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bill Lorentzen is currently offline  Bill Lorentzen   UNITED STATES
Messages: 140
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I don't doubt that it is learnable. We can do lots of things we don't know
we can do until we work at them. This guy has been selling the course for a
long time. It probably works OK. And realistically any improvement that you
can apply to your playing or writing would be worth $130.

I think I will buy the course.

Bill

"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:445cd64e$1@linux...
> I've only met one person in my life with perfect pitch from no reference
> note...he was a voice teacher that three band members used to take lessons
> from...every week we'd try and stump him with some weird chord and he'd
> just hit the correct notes then we'd check it on the piano and sure enough
> he was dead on the money
>
> Most singers and players I know have very good relevant pitch, meaning
> give them a reference note and they're good to go from there i.e. any
> interval
>
> You can learn relevant pitch and I did when studying tympani...try
> retuning four tymps to a different key in the middle of a symphony...not
> hard once you learn the trick...requires a little practice and a little
> singing
>
> Don
>
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:445c1990$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, or
>> you
>> don't.
>>
>> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but
>> then
>> he's in the business of convincing people of that:
>> http://www.perfectpitch.com/
>>
>> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell
>> it
>> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the bargain
>> of the century.
>>
>> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person who
>> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or developed
>> it, later? Is it possible?
>>
>> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody can
>> develop
>> it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key
>> it's
>> in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start imagining
>> chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are,
>> and
>> that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound
>> like
>> mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within about
>> 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a song
>> on
>> the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what chord
>> is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by
>> referring
>> to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note
>> straight
>> off.
>>
>> Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it?
>>
>> I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative pitch
>> is pretty good usually.
>>
>> Any opinions?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>
>

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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67800 is a reply to message #67784] Sat, 06 May 2006 16:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
Senior Member
Aaron,

Thanks for your help man. I think I might be getting a little bit of a handle
on where it's at. I still suspect that it's locked in me somewhere...

I've shelled out for the little $12 program which tests you. I'll see how
I go...

Cheers,
Kim.

"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:445c331a$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> Tell me, would I be kinda right in saying that, as you follow the circle
>> of fifths, that the character of the color sort of changes slowly as you
>> go through the fifths?
>
>The charactor shades lighter as it moves up the scale tones. Not necessarily

>the circle of fifths, although that fits also.
>
>>
>> For example, I would say, as an overall statement, that keys that feature
>> flats sound, as a rule, more mellow, where keys that feature sharps are
a
>> little more, umm, brittle kind of.
>
>I think this holds water on stringed/fingerboard instruments, although I

>don't hear it in things like Piano and especially sampled instruments.
>Another interesting part of that equation is when you detune a gtr (like
Van
>Halen does, for example) and you hear the colors/intonations but they're

>off. More like a clouding, darkness added to each variation. Start adding
in
>synths to that detuning and things get even more cloudy when mix analyzing.

>Again, like VH did
>
>>An Eb, as a note, is quite mellow. It
>> seems to me that certain characteristics of notes change as you move
>> through
>> the fifths. It's difficult to describe, but I think I have an
>> understanding
>> of the phenomena.
>>
>> Does that kind of line up with what you hear?
>>
>Well to varying degrees. Gee, I hate sounding so vague but it's something
I
>just kinda know, not a taught science. I have to admit to never really
>digging deep and analyzing it. I tend to think that this part of 'perfect

>pitch' cannot be taught, it's just a natural reaction to me. I do think
that
>given hearing capable of it, one can learn to hear these tones and analyze

>it and conclude the same things, just in a more scientific and or
>mathmatical way. But that's not new really... music is math and some see
it
>as math while others just seem to know natuarally.
>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>
>All that make enough sense man?
>Cheers returned,
>AA
>
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>More like shades of coloring.. not hard black/white colors.
>>>AA
>>>
>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:445c2473$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>>Funny you should mention color - that is how I hear pitches, in
>>>>>colorations
>>>>
>>>>>and degrees, and I can't believe I'm the only one it works like this

>>>>>with.
>>>>
>>>> I was considering a while back maybe trying to write down the colors
I
>>
>>>> felt
>>>> were represented by each note. Do you actually mean that literally?
That
>>>> the notes are colors? Like, is there a note that's orange to you? If
so,
>>>> have you even compared to somebody else to see if both of you a "hearing
>>>> the same colors"?
>>>>
>>>>>Kind of like when you hear an open E on a Gtr, you just know it's an

>>>>>open
>>>> E.
>>>>
>>>> Yeh, there's no missing that... or a G chord is pretty obvious.
>>>>
>>>>>It's a blessing "and" a curse. When something's off it's like swallowing
>>>>
>>>>>rusty roofing nails having to listen to it.
>>>>
>>>> I've heard this said by many with perfect pitch. I can't help but think
>>
>>>> the
>>>> advantages outweight the disadvantages. I have enough perfect pitch
>>>> already
>>>> that I sometimes get thrown when I'm on a flat instrument. In fact it
>>
>>>> surprises
>>>> me that I evidently do use some small amount of perfect pitch in my
>>>> playing...
>>>> every now again on a flat instrument I'll do something where I play
a
>>
>>>> wrong
>>>> chord and then realise "Hold on, that would have been right if the
>>>> instrument
>>>> was the right pitch".
>>>>
>>>> So, do you actually think of actual colors? If so, would you mind
>>>> listing
>>>> the colors for me for each note? That might come in very handy...
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Kim.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>AA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:445c1f01@linux...
>>>>>> Kim,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can tune a guitar (A=440hz) without any reference. I can do it
>>>>>> consistently, from scratch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you hit middle C on a piano, I wouldn't have a clue what it was.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think there may be degrees of pitch recognition....then again, I'm
>>
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> colorblind in that I can see differences in the color spectrum but
I
>>
>>>>>> can't
>>>>>> tell you the names of the colors......ie.......grass is red, unless
>>
>>>>>> there
>>>>
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> a red reference that I can see....then I can tell it is
>>>>>> green.......same
>>>>>> scenario with green and grey, blue and purple, brown and green and
the
>>>>
>>>>>> list
>>>>>> goes on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got
it,
>>>> or
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> don't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned,
but
>>>>
>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>> he's in the business of convincing people of that:
>>>>>>> http://www.perfectpitch.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to

>>>>>>> shell
>>>>
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the
>>>>>>> bargain
>>>>>>> of the century.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person
>>>> who
>>>>>>> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or
>>>>>>> developed
>>>>>>> it, later? Is it possible?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody
>> can
>>>>>> develop
>>>>>>> it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what
key
>>>>
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start
>>>>>>> imagining
>>>>>>> chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they

>>>>>>> are,
>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would

>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within
>>
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to
a
>> song
>>>>
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what
>>
>>>>>>> chord
>>>>>>> is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out,
>> by
>>>>>> referring
>>>>>>> to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every
>> note
>>>>>> straight
>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done
it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative
>>
>>>>>>> pitch
>>>>>>> is pretty good usually.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any opinions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Kim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>>>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67812 is a reply to message #67778] Sat, 06 May 2006 22:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Martin Harrington is currently offline  Martin Harrington   AUSTRALIA
Messages: 560
Registered: September 2005
Senior Member
I worked with Mel Torme many, many years ago and he had perfect pitch.
I think many of the orchestra members were a little rattled by it.
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com

"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:445cd64e$1@linux...
> I've only met one person in my life with perfect pitch from no reference
> note...he was a voice teacher that three band members used to take lessons
> from...every week we'd try and stump him with some weird chord and he'd
> just hit the correct notes then we'd check it on the piano and sure enough
> he was dead on the money
>
> Most singers and players I know have very good relevant pitch, meaning
> give them a reference note and they're good to go from there i.e. any
> interval
>
> You can learn relevant pitch and I did when studying tympani...try
> retuning four tymps to a different key in the middle of a symphony...not
> hard once you learn the trick...requires a little practice and a little
> singing
>
> Don
>
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:445c1990$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, or
>> you
>> don't.
>>
>> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but
>> then
>> he's in the business of convincing people of that:
>> http://www.perfectpitch.com/
>>
>> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell
>> it
>> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the bargain
>> of the century.
>>
>> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person who
>> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or developed
>> it, later? Is it possible?
>>
>> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody can
>> develop
>> it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key
>> it's
>> in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start imagining
>> chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are,
>> and
>> that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound
>> like
>> mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within about
>> 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a song
>> on
>> the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what chord
>> is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by
>> referring
>> to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note
>> straight
>> off.
>>
>> Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it?
>>
>> I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative pitch
>> is pretty good usually.
>>
>> Any opinions?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>
>

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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67815 is a reply to message #67812] Sat, 06 May 2006 22:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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I got sorta' smashed and blundered into a private dinner party that included
Mel Torme and Leslie Uggams at a restaurant in Austin back in the 80's. We
were all pretty surprised. Mel was nice about it, shook my hand and bought
me a drink (*as if I needed one ;o)

The 80's.........what a time to be alive.

;o)


"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:445d898a$1@linux...
> I worked with Mel Torme many, many years ago and he had perfect pitch.
> I think many of the orchestra members were a little rattled by it.
> --
> Martin Harrington
> www.lendanear-sound.com
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:445cd64e$1@linux...
> > I've only met one person in my life with perfect pitch from no reference
> > note...he was a voice teacher that three band members used to take
lessons
> > from...every week we'd try and stump him with some weird chord and he'd
> > just hit the correct notes then we'd check it on the piano and sure
enough
> > he was dead on the money
> >
> > Most singers and players I know have very good relevant pitch, meaning
> > give them a reference note and they're good to go from there i.e. any
> > interval
> >
> > You can learn relevant pitch and I did when studying tympani...try
> > retuning four tymps to a different key in the middle of a symphony...not
> > hard once you learn the trick...requires a little practice and a little
> > singing
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
> > "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:445c1990$1@linux...
> >>
> >>
> >> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, or
> >> you
> >> don't.
> >>
> >> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but
> >> then
> >> he's in the business of convincing people of that:
> >> http://www.perfectpitch.com/
> >>
> >> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell
> >> it
> >> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the
bargain
> >> of the century.
> >>
> >> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person
who
> >> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or
developed
> >> it, later? Is it possible?
> >>
> >> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody can
> >> develop
> >> it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key
> >> it's
> >> in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start
imagining
> >> chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are,
> >> and
> >> that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound
> >> like
> >> mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within
about
> >> 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a song
> >> on
> >> the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what
chord
> >> is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by
> >> referring
> >> to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note
> >> straight
> >> off.
> >>
> >> Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it?
> >>
> >> I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative
pitch
> >> is pretty good usually.
> >>
> >> Any opinions?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Kim.
> >
> >
>
>

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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67818 is a reply to message #67736] Sun, 07 May 2006 01:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
Senior Member
I'm playing this crazy "game" at the moment. This program feeds me notes...
up to five different notes, and I can select which five notes it chooses
from. I've been guessing between the notes C, C#, D, Eb, E, played over 4
different octaves... had 72 shots. 90% correct (7 wrong)... finished on
a winning streak of 27 correct answers in a row. Doing my head in though.
I can only imagine how hard it will be when I get the real one and have to
choose between all 12 notes...

But I wan tperfect pitch and I want it NOW!!! I've waited long enough! ARGHHH!!!
;o)

I'm going to be really annoyed if I haven't got it mastered by bedtime...
;o)

Cheers,
Kim.

"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, or
you
>don't.
>
>There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but then
>he's in the business of convincing people of that:
>http://www.perfectpitch.com/
>
>I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell
it
>out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the bargain
>of the century.
>
>Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person who
>was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or developed
>it, later? Is it possible?
>
>I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody can
develop
>it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key it's
>in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start imagining
>chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are, and
>that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound like
>mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within about
>5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a song
on
>the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what chord
>is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by referring
>to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note
straight
>off.
>
>Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it?
>
>I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative pitch
>is pretty good usually.
>
>Any opinions?
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.

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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67819 is a reply to message #67815] Sun, 07 May 2006 01:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Martin Harrington is currently offline  Martin Harrington   AUSTRALIA
Messages: 560
Registered: September 2005
Senior Member
Ha-Ha, just after working with Mel, I worked with Leslie Uggams for 3 weeks
also, then with Jerry Lewis, then Tiny Tim..then.........
What a name-dropper.
If only I knew then what I know now. (I'd still know nothing....)
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com

"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:445d8c8b@linux...
>I got sorta' smashed and blundered into a private dinner party that
>included
> Mel Torme and Leslie Uggams at a restaurant in Austin back in the 80's. We
> were all pretty surprised. Mel was nice about it, shook my hand and bought
> me a drink (*as if I needed one ;o)
>
> The 80's.........what a time to be alive.
>
> ;o)
>
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:445d898a$1@linux...
>> I worked with Mel Torme many, many years ago and he had perfect pitch.
>> I think many of the orchestra members were a little rattled by it.
>> --
>> Martin Harrington
>> www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:445cd64e$1@linux...
>> > I've only met one person in my life with perfect pitch from no
>> > reference
>> > note...he was a voice teacher that three band members used to take
> lessons
>> > from...every week we'd try and stump him with some weird chord and he'd
>> > just hit the correct notes then we'd check it on the piano and sure
> enough
>> > he was dead on the money
>> >
>> > Most singers and players I know have very good relevant pitch, meaning
>> > give them a reference note and they're good to go from there i.e. any
>> > interval
>> >
>> > You can learn relevant pitch and I did when studying tympani...try
>> > retuning four tymps to a different key in the middle of a
>> > symphony...not
>> > hard once you learn the trick...requires a little practice and a little
>> > singing
>> >
>> > Don
>> >
>> >
>> > "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:445c1990$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it,
>> >> or
>> >> you
>> >> don't.
>> >>
>> >> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but
>> >> then
>> >> he's in the business of convincing people of that:
>> >> http://www.perfectpitch.com/
>> >>
>> >> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to
>> >> shell
>> >> it
>> >> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the
> bargain
>> >> of the century.
>> >>
>> >> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person
> who
>> >> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or
> developed
>> >> it, later? Is it possible?
>> >>
>> >> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody
>> >> can
>> >> develop
>> >> it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key
>> >> it's
>> >> in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start
> imagining
>> >> chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are,
>> >> and
>> >> that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound
>> >> like
>> >> mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within
> about
>> >> 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a
>> >> song
>> >> on
>> >> the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what
> chord
>> >> is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by
>> >> referring
>> >> to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every
>> >> note
>> >> straight
>> >> off.
>> >>
>> >> Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it?
>> >>
>> >> I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative
> pitch
>> >> is pretty good usually.
>> >>
>> >> Any opinions?
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Kim.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67822 is a reply to message #67736] Sun, 07 May 2006 05:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kateeba is currently offline  Kateeba   
Messages: 76
Registered: August 2005
Location: Hamden, Connecticut
Member
Kim

I bought David L. Burge's perfect pitch course many years ago, and began
studying it. I believe you CAN learn perfect pitch if you study hard, but...............I
soon realized that it would NOT be worth the trouble and time it would have
taken for me to learn it, and I am a jazz musicain. See, to be able to pick
out any tone and name it, is good, but NOT necessary to improvise. But to
be able to hear chords, and recognize EVERY note in them, and intervals and
know their relationships backwards and forwards, is much more valuable, so...........
after buying his perfect pitch course, and returning it, I tried his "Relative
pitch" course and it is unbelievable!!! If you study his realtive pitch
course (and I must say, it could take up to a year or two to really master
it), it will be of immense help with ANY music, especially jazz and improvisded
music. It builds up your ear son intensely, and thoroughly, it is scary.
So my advice is, instead of spending your money on the perfect pitch course,
get the relative pitch course instead. It has helped me immensely!

Lou Guarino Jr.
www.enchantedvibrations.com



"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, or
you
>don't.
>
>There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but then
>he's in the business of convincing people of that:
>http://www.perfectpitch.com/
>
>I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell
it
>out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the bargain
>of the century.
>
>Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person who
>was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or developed
>it, later? Is it possible?
>
>I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody can
develop
>it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key it's
>in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start imagining
>chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are, and
>that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound like
>mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within about
>5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a song
on
>the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what chord
>is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by referring
>to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note
straight
>off.
>
>Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it?
>
>I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative pitch
>is pretty good usually.
>
>Any opinions?
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.

Louis Guarino Jr.
www.enchantedvibrations.net

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Re: Perfect Pitch - Can you learn it? [message #67848 is a reply to message #67822] Sun, 07 May 2006 15:55 Go to previous message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
Senior Member
Louis,

Thanks for the advice. I'll keep that in mind for sure. I think I've decided,
for the time being at least, not to purchase the $139 perfect pitch course,
for now at least.

From a few posts around the net that I've found, and some comments here,
I think I have the basic idea of what is involved in perfect pitch. I've
invested $12US, which is nothing, in a little utility that throws notes at
me, so I can test myself. That should allow me to develop things if I wish.
I'll play with that for a month or so and see how I go.

The problem I do have, however, with the perfect pitch program I have, is
that I always have a reference (being that last note played). 3/4 times,
even octaves apart, I can work out the note playing using relative pitch
already. That said I do have some work to do in learning more jazz chords
by ear. I'm not familiar enough yet with the sound of things like 9ths, 11ths
and 13ths and all the variations thereof. Doing a bit more playing will help
a lot though.

I might look into that relative pitch course though, perhaps in a couple
of months, depending how I go with perfect pitch.

Thanks for the advice.

Cheers,
Kim.

"Louis Guarino Jr." <Kateeba@snet.net> wrote:
>
>Kim
>
>I bought David L. Burge's perfect pitch course many years ago, and began
>studying it. I believe you CAN learn perfect pitch if you study hard, but...............I
>soon realized that it would NOT be worth the trouble and time it would have
>taken for me to learn it, and I am a jazz musicain. See, to be able to
pick
>out any tone and name it, is good, but NOT necessary to improvise. But
to
>be able to hear chords, and recognize EVERY note in them, and intervals
and
>know their relationships backwards and forwards, is much more valuable,
so...........
>after buying his perfect pitch course, and returning it, I tried his "Relative
>pitch" course and it is unbelievable!!! If you study his realtive pitch
>course (and I must say, it could take up to a year or two to really master
>it), it will be of immense help with ANY music, especially jazz and improvisded
>music. It builds up your ear son intensely, and thoroughly, it is scary.
> So my advice is, instead of spending your money on the perfect pitch course,
>get the relative pitch course instead. It has helped me immensely!
>
>Lou Guarino Jr.
>www.enchantedvibrations.com
>
>
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, or
>you
>>don't.
>>
>>There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but then
>>he's in the business of convincing people of that:
>>http://www.perfectpitch.com/
>>
>>I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell
>it
>>out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the bargain
>>of the century.
>>
>>Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person who
>>was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or developed
>>it, later? Is it possible?
>>
>>I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody can
>develop
>>it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key it's
>>in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start imagining
>>chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are,
and
>>that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound
like
>>mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within about
>>5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a song
>on
>>the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what chord
>>is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by
referring
>>to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note
>straight
>>off.
>>
>>Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it?
>>
>>I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative pitch
>>is pretty good usually.
>>
>>Any opinions?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>

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