| Edirol Digital Mixer [message #100140] |
Fri, 29 August 2008 07:35  |
Ed
Messages: 199
Registered: February 2006
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Anyone familiar with this mixer?
http://www.zzounds.com/item--EDIM16DX
I am not concerned about the USB, but was wondering if this would be a good
choice for a front-end to Paris. Other recommendations would be appreciate...
Remember, I am a peasant!
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| Re: Edirol Digital Mixer [message #100141 is a reply to message #100140] |
Fri, 29 August 2008 07:46  |
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Hi Ed, I don't see how you could implement into Paris. I would look at the
Tascam DM3200/4800 mixers..They have the multi adat I/O that old be great
for PAris ..
"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
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>Anyone familiar with this mixer?
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>http://www.zzounds.com/item--EDIM16DX
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>I am not concerned about the USB, but was wondering if this would be a good
>choice for a front-end to Paris. Other recommendations would be appreciate...
>Remember, I am a peasant!
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| Re: Edirol Digital Mixer [message #100191 is a reply to message #100151] |
Tue, 02 September 2008 05:34 |
Ed
Messages: 199
Registered: February 2006
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Hi Wayne,
I am not new to Paris and have been using it for many years. I just happened
to see a decent price for digital mixer and without looking at the specs,
I posted to see if someone else was using it. But since it has no direct
outs, to me it is worthless as a front-end.
Having said that... I have lots of Behinger mixers and I have not had
very much luck using any of them as front ends. Mainly the problem of getting
proper hot levels. The consistency between playback (usually max'd level)
and the open channels... it seems the open channels (channels being played
to be recorded) are so loud... but what is hitting Paris is so low... I
end up nearly throwing the thing out the window!
I am at work and don't have the model numbers, but I tried many behingers...
none seem to work. I was also using Behinger products to mic my acoustic
drumset. Until I recently purchased a small $99 Yahmaha mixer, I didn't
realize what a difference it would make in sound. So I am happy with that.
The conclusion is that I now have lots of Behinger mixers that I don't
like to use except playback (master outs). I can't seem to find a decent
front-end mixer to operate like I need it to operate... again, mainly getting
the levels I need. So I end up sending preamps and other devices directly
into my Paris 8-in cards. I still am not too happy about the levels.. but
it works better than any mixer I tried as a front end -- so far. That's
why I am keeping my eye open for something (within reason). I don't need
built-in preamps since I use external ones... but all the mackies and yamahas
promote that. I can't believe they'll match my external focusrite preamps.
I hate to pay so much for a mixer that may not work the way I need it to
work. I asked several times on here for suggestions of known working front-ends.
I never got any good suggestions.
Sorry to blabber... but I was trying to explain why I posted that first
thread... call it pre e-post-ulation... lol.
"Wayne Carson" <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote:
>Hi Ed,
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>You can pick up cheap Behringer mixers for $100-200 bucks and get 4, 8,
12
>inputs. As long as you play easy with Behringer you'll be OK. The moment
>you need to hit it hard or max it's capabilities, then look elsewhere.
>Don't waste your time mixing external front end to Paris unless you really
>have too. Do your magic within Paris. Are you planning on playing back
>Paris via this same board? If so, same thing. Go easy on low end equipment
>and it'll work satisfactory.
>
>Wayne
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>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:48b8091b$1@linux...
>>
>> Anyone familiar with this mixer?
>>
>> http://www.zzounds.com/item--EDIM16DX
>>
>> I am not concerned about the USB, but was wondering if this would be a
>> good
>> choice for a front-end to Paris. Other recommendations would be
>> appreciate...
>> Remember, I am a peasant!
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| Re: Edirol Digital Mixer [message #100198 is a reply to message #100191] |
Tue, 02 September 2008 11:12 |
Wayne
Messages: 206
Registered: July 2008
Location: Las Vegas
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Hi Mike,
OK. Understood. I use a Mackie 1604vlz for up to seven instruments or
backing vox via the direct outs and into my 1st Paris 8 in card, and a
Personus Eureka mic pre on my main vox into the last channel of the 1st
Paris 8-in. Then the Roland session kit 8 direct outs directly to the 2nd
Paris 8 in for a total of 16 tracks. That's my max tracking capability.
Something I learned last year is that the 1604vlz pre's are harsh and a bit
muddy. I couldn't tell and didn't notice it until I purchased a Big Ben
clock and a Benchmark DAC. I run a single MEC systems with two 8-ins, 2 EDS
and 2 C16s. I did some A/B testing of the DAC outputs vs the mackie channel
15 and 16 playback. It was easily obvious. So now I only use the front end
for tracking. It's what I've got to do. I've had the board for 10+yrs and
is in pristine condition so it's hard for me to replace it with multiple mic
pres but I am considering.
Have a great day.
Wayne
"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:48bd32ea$1@linux...
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> Hi Wayne,
>
> I am not new to Paris and have been using it for many years. I just
> happened
> to see a decent price for digital mixer and without looking at the specs,
> I posted to see if someone else was using it. But since it has no direct
> outs, to me it is worthless as a front-end.
>
> Having said that... I have lots of Behinger mixers and I have not had
> very much luck using any of them as front ends. Mainly the problem of
> getting
> proper hot levels. The consistency between playback (usually max'd level)
> and the open channels... it seems the open channels (channels being played
> to be recorded) are so loud... but what is hitting Paris is so low... I
> end up nearly throwing the thing out the window!
>
> I am at work and don't have the model numbers, but I tried many
> behingers...
> none seem to work. I was also using Behinger products to mic my acoustic
> drumset. Until I recently purchased a small $99 Yahmaha mixer, I didn't
> realize what a difference it would make in sound. So I am happy with
> that.
>
> The conclusion is that I now have lots of Behinger mixers that I don't
> like to use except playback (master outs). I can't seem to find a decent
> front-end mixer to operate like I need it to operate... again, mainly
> getting
> the levels I need. So I end up sending preamps and other devices directly
> into my Paris 8-in cards. I still am not too happy about the levels.. but
> it works better than any mixer I tried as a front end -- so far. That's
> why I am keeping my eye open for something (within reason). I don't need
> built-in preamps since I use external ones... but all the mackies and
> yamahas
> promote that. I can't believe they'll match my external focusrite
> preamps.
> I hate to pay so much for a mixer that may not work the way I need it to
> work. I asked several times on here for suggestions of known working
> front-ends.
> I never got any good suggestions.
>
> Sorry to blabber... but I was trying to explain why I posted that first
> thread... call it pre e-post-ulation... lol.
>
>
>
> "Wayne Carson" <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote:
>>Hi Ed,
>>
>>You can pick up cheap Behringer mixers for $100-200 bucks and get 4, 8,
> 12
>>inputs. As long as you play easy with Behringer you'll be OK. The moment
>
>>you need to hit it hard or max it's capabilities, then look elsewhere.
>>Don't waste your time mixing external front end to Paris unless you really
>
>>have too. Do your magic within Paris. Are you planning on playing back
>
>>Paris via this same board? If so, same thing. Go easy on low end
>>equipment
>
>>and it'll work satisfactory.
>>
>>Wayne
>>
>>
>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:48b8091b$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Anyone familiar with this mixer?
>>>
>>> http://www.zzounds.com/item--EDIM16DX
>>>
>>> I am not concerned about the USB, but was wondering if this would be a
>
>>> good
>>> choice for a front-end to Paris. Other recommendations would be
>>> appreciate...
>>> Remember, I am a peasant!
>>
>>
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