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Great River NV Question [message #80369] Tue, 20 February 2007 09:30 Go to next message
TC is currently offline  TC   CANADA
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Is there any difference between the Great River 1NV that Mercenary sells, and the standard one? I actually can't find one that isn't an "ME", even Atlas sells them.

http://www.mercenaryeditions.com/me-1nv.shtml

I've been wanting to check out one of these, and I'm wondering how it would complement my current preamps:

1 UA LA610
2 x API 512c
GT Vipre
Avalon 737sp

Primary application: vocals, acoustic guitar, electric, percussion.

I'm seriously considering ditching the Avalon 737, as it gets almost no use these days. Either that or getting the Babyface mod to it.

Any thoughts on the great river? I'm interested in how it would differ from the API's?

I'm also considering getting something like an Avalon 747 for 2 buss coloring and eq. I tried one years ago and liked the extra dimension that it seemed to give the mix.

Any opinions are appreciated!

Cheers,

TC
Re: Great River NV Question [message #80376 is a reply to message #80369] Tue, 20 February 2007 11:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Neil is currently offline  Neil
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IIRC, Fletcher had a hand in the design of the NV, so they're
effectively ALL Merc Editions.

I have a "2-NV", and sound-wise, I can give you my opinion, FWIW,
compared to some of the ones you mention:

>1 UA LA610
The thing I keep hearing about UA pres is that they're "dark" -
the NV is not dark... it's warm, and with a nice high end, but
not hyped up there. if you select the "load" button to unload
the Transformers, then it gives you a slight high end boost, but
adds a bit of distortion (not a ont, depends on the mic, too...
try that with a TLM-103 & you probably won't like it, try it
with mellower condensor or a dynamic, & it could be just the
ticket).

>2 x API 512c
I haven't a/b'ed these, but I'd say the API's are probably a
little "faster" - not that the NV is a slow, mushy preamp, but
the attack doesn't come across as fast as the API stuff, I'd
also say the API's are a bit more midrangey.

>GT Vipre
Can't tell you, never heard one.

>Avalon 737sp
Both can be described as "warm" preamps, and they both have x-
formers in them, but sound-wise they're different enough to
where you wouldn't be duplicating something you already have
if you got the NV.

Neil


TC <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote:
>
>Is there any difference between the Great River 1NV that Mercenary sells,
and the standard
>one? I actually can't find one that isn't an "ME", even Atlas sells them.
>
>http://www.mercenaryeditions.com/me-1nv.shtml
>
>I've been wanting to check out one of these, and I'm wondering how it would
complement
>my current preamps:
>
>1 UA LA610
>2 x API 512c
>GT Vipre
>Avalon 737sp
>
>Primary application: vocals, acoustic guitar, electric, percussion.
>
>I'm seriously considering ditching the Avalon 737, as it gets almost no
use these days.
>Either that or getting the Babyface mod to it.
>
>Any thoughts on the great river? I'm interested in how it would differ from
the API's?
>
>
>I'm also considering getting something like an Avalon 747 for 2 buss coloring
and eq.
>I tried one years ago and liked the extra dimension that it seemed to give
the mix.
>
>
>Any opinions are appreciated!
>
>Cheers,
>
>TC
Re: Great River NV Question [message #80388 is a reply to message #80376] Tue, 20 February 2007 15:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tyrone Corbett is currently offline  Tyrone Corbett   
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TC, what's the "Babyface" mod for the 737SP? I am considering getting rid
of mine as well for the Millinea pre....heard it at Genes place...actually
heard it before in another studio and liked it alot.

Tyrone
Re: Great River NV Question [message #80389 is a reply to message #80388] Tue, 20 February 2007 14:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TC is currently offline  TC   CANADA
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Thanks guys for all the info.

Tyrone,

The Babyface mod is a mod for the compressor, giving it a faster attack.

Basically it will make the compressor more usable.

http://www3.telus.net/thewitt/

I'm just not overly excited about the preamp on the 737 compared to my Vipre and API's. I just never use it.

Cheers,

TC


Tyrone Corbett wrote:
> TC, what's the "Babyface" mod for the 737SP? I am considering getting rid
> of mine as well for the Millinea pre....heard it at Genes place...actually
> heard it before in another studio and liked it alot.
>
> Tyrone
Re: Great River NV Question [message #80390 is a reply to message #80389] Tue, 20 February 2007 15:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Neil is currently offline  Neil
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>I'm just not overly excited about the preamp on the 737 compared to my Vipre
and API's.
>I just never use it.

Stick a TLM-103 on it & mic a good-sounding bass cab with it -
you'll never go direct again.

Neil
Re: Great River NV Question [message #80391 is a reply to message #80390] Tue, 20 February 2007 14:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TC is currently offline  TC   CANADA
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Hi Neil,

Yes, I can see the 737 comp being nice for that application.

Although if I do get a 747, Vipre and 747 should cover that pretty nicely for the tube thing.

I've never used a 103 for instruments. For me personally it is one of my least fav vocal mics I've ever used, but I'm sure it's great for overheads, cabs etc.

Cheers,

TC

Neil wrote:
>> I'm just not overly excited about the preamp on the 737 compared to my Vipre
> and API's.
>> I just never use it.
>
> Stick a TLM-103 on it & mic a good-sounding bass cab with it -
> you'll never go direct again.
>
> Neil
Re: Great River NV Question [message #80392 is a reply to message #80390] Tue, 20 February 2007 14:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TC is currently offline  TC   CANADA
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Also, I do DI through the Avalon U5, which I think is really nice sounding. Usually I do that and run it though Ampeg SVT plugin, which is superb.

I've also been tracking through an axtrack cab at home, since space and volume levels are a limiting factor. It works surprisingly well..

Cheers,

TC

Neil wrote:
>> I'm just not overly excited about the preamp on the 737 compared to my Vipre
> and API's.
>> I just never use it.
>
> Stick a TLM-103 on it & mic a good-sounding bass cab with it -
> you'll never go direct again.
>
> Neil
Re: Great River NV Question [message #80394 is a reply to message #80392] Tue, 20 February 2007 15:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
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rrrrRrRRRRrrT>>>>>.....
Stop the presses... Ampeg SVT _plug-in_ ? ? ? ?

DO tell...
AA


"TC" <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote in message
news:45db7d03$1@linux...
> Also, I do DI through the Avalon U5, which I think is really nice
> sounding. Usually I do that and run it though Ampeg SVT plugin, which is
> superb.
>
> I've also been tracking through an axtrack cab at home, since space and
> volume levels are a limiting factor. It works surprisingly well..
>
> Cheers,
>
> TC
>
> Neil wrote:
>>> I'm just not overly excited about the preamp on the 737 compared to my
>>> Vipre
>> and API's.
>>> I just never use it.
>>
>> Stick a TLM-103 on it & mic a good-sounding bass cab with it -
>> you'll never go direct again.
>>
>> Neil
Re: Great River NV Question [message #80396 is a reply to message #80394] Tue, 20 February 2007 15:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TC is currently offline  TC   CANADA
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Yes, it's phat phat phat. Quite an amazing plugin.

Sorry, it's called the SVX, not SVT.

http://www.ampegsvx.com/Main.php?prod-AM.php

If you take a good DI to begin with, this is the cat's meow IMO.

Cheers,

TC


Aaron Allen wrote:
> rrrrRrRRRRrrT>>>>>.....
> Stop the presses... Ampeg SVT _plug-in_ ? ? ? ?
>
> DO tell...
> AA
>
>
> "TC" <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote in message
> news:45db7d03$1@linux...
>> Also, I do DI through the Avalon U5, which I think is really nice
>> sounding. Usually I do that and run it though Ampeg SVT plugin, which is
>> superb.
>>
>> I've also been tracking through an axtrack cab at home, since space and
>> volume levels are a limiting factor. It works surprisingly well..
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> TC
>>
>> Neil wrote:
>>>> I'm just not overly excited about the preamp on the 737 compared to my
>>>> Vipre
>>> and API's.
>>>> I just never use it.
>>> Stick a TLM-103 on it & mic a good-sounding bass cab with it -
>>> you'll never go direct again.
>>>
>>> Neil
>
>
Re: Great River NV Question [message #80397 is a reply to message #80391] Tue, 20 February 2007 16:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Neil is currently offline  Neil
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TC <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote:

>I've never used a 103 for instruments. For me personally it is one of my
least fav vocal
>mics I've ever used, but I'm sure it's great for overheads, cabs etc.

It's OK for overheads, but it KILLS on bass - that extended low
end really serves it well there, and the bright highs bring out
the attack.

Neil
Re: Great River NV Question [message #80398 is a reply to message #80396] Tue, 20 February 2007 16:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Neil is currently offline  Neil
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For nearly as much as you can buy an actual Ampeg amp for, it
had BETTER be a good plugin!


TC <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote:
>
>Yes, it's phat phat phat. Quite an amazing plugin.
>
>Sorry, it's called the SVX, not SVT.
>
>http://www.ampegsvx.com/Main.php?prod-AM.php
>
>If you take a good DI to begin with, this is the cat's meow IMO.
>
>Cheers,
>
>TC
>
>
>Aaron Allen wrote:
>> rrrrRrRRRRrrT>>>>>.....
>> Stop the presses... Ampeg SVT _plug-in_ ? ? ? ?
>>
>> DO tell...
>> AA
>>
>>
>> "TC" <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote in message
>> news:45db7d03$1@linux...
>>> Also, I do DI through the Avalon U5, which I think is really nice
>>> sounding. Usually I do that and run it though Ampeg SVT plugin, which
is
>>> superb.
>>>
>>> I've also been tracking through an axtrack cab at home, since space and

>>> volume levels are a limiting factor. It works surprisingly well..
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> TC
>>>
>>> Neil wrote:
>>>>> I'm just not overly excited about the preamp on the 737 compared to
my
>>>>> Vipre
>>>> and API's.
>>>>> I just never use it.
>>>> Stick a TLM-103 on it & mic a good-sounding bass cab with it -
>>>> you'll never go direct again.
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>
>>
Re: Great River NV Question [message #80422 is a reply to message #80389] Wed, 21 February 2007 00:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [4] is currently offline  Deej [4]   UNITED STATES
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> I'm just not overly excited about the preamp on the 737 compared to my
> Vipre and API's. I just never use it.

makes a great bass DI

;o)

"TC" <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote in message
news:45db763f@linux...
> Thanks guys for all the info.
>
> Tyrone,
>
> The Babyface mod is a mod for the compressor, giving it a faster attack.
>
> Basically it will make the compressor more usable.
> http://www3.telus.net/thewitt/
>
> I'm just not overly excited about the preamp on the 737 compared to my
> Vipre and API's. I just never use it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> TC
>
>
> Tyrone Corbett wrote:
>> TC, what's the "Babyface" mod for the 737SP? I am considering getting rid
>> of mine as well for the Millinea pre....heard it at Genes
>> place...actually
>> heard it before in another studio and liked it alot.
>>
>> Tyrone
Re: Great River NV Question [message #80444 is a reply to message #80422] Wed, 21 February 2007 11:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TC is currently offline  TC   CANADA
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Yes, but I've got a U5 also. Actually, everything here has a di on it, so I could track a bass sextet, no problem!

I think I'll keep the 737, get the Babyface mod and use it for mixing to run key mono channels back through for extra warmth and eq.

I'd still love to check out the Great River though, I think that would cover all my preamp needs for years to come.

Cheers,

TC


DJ wrote:
>> I'm just not overly excited about the preamp on the 737 compared to my
>> Vipre and API's. I just never use it.
>
> makes a great bass DI
>
> ;o)
>
> "TC" <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote in message
> news:45db763f@linux...
>> Thanks guys for all the info.
>>
>> Tyrone,
>>
>> The Babyface mod is a mod for the compressor, giving it a faster attack.
>>
>> Basically it will make the compressor more usable.
>> http://www3.telus.net/thewitt/
>>
>> I'm just not overly excited about the preamp on the 737 compared to my
>> Vipre and API's. I just never use it.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> TC
>>
>>
>> Tyrone Corbett wrote:
>>> TC, what's the "Babyface" mod for the 737SP? I am considering getting rid
>>> of mine as well for the Millinea pre....heard it at Genes
>>> place...actually
>>> heard it before in another studio and liked it alot.
>>>
>>> Tyrone
>
>
Re: Great River NV Question [message #80449 is a reply to message #80369] Wed, 21 February 2007 13:10 Go to previous message
uptown jimmy is currently offline  uptown jimmy   UNITED STATES
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I sold my original "white" Great River MP-2MH, and I regret it. Awesome
preamp, and they've stopped making it for a while. They claim they'll
reintroduce it with the NV-style controls, but we'll see.

I have an NV now, and it kills on everything. Great River makes awesome
gear. The EQ is also excellent.

Jimmy

"TC" <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote in message
news:45db3060$1@linux...
>
> Is there any difference between the Great River 1NV that Mercenary sells,
and the standard one? I actually can't find one that isn't an "ME", even
Atlas sells them.
>
> http://www.mercenaryeditions.com/me-1nv.shtml
>
> I've been wanting to check out one of these, and I'm wondering how it
would complement my current preamps:
>
> 1 UA LA610
> 2 x API 512c
> GT Vipre
> Avalon 737sp
>
> Primary application: vocals, acoustic guitar, electric, percussion.
>
> I'm seriously considering ditching the Avalon 737, as it gets almost no
use these days. Either that or getting the Babyface mod to it.
>
> Any thoughts on the great river? I'm interested in how it would differ
from the API's?
>
> I'm also considering getting something like an Avalon 747 for 2 buss
coloring and eq. I tried one years ago and liked the extra dimension that it
seemed to give the mix.
>
> Any opinions are appreciated!
>
> Cheers,
>
> TC
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