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| Re: This is really startin' to suck (Deej, read carefully) [message #83317 is a reply to message #83303] |
Wed, 18 April 2007 06:31   |
Neil
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Deej, are you still using a Multiface? If so, did you ever get
the updated version of the PCI card, or send yours off for that
modification? I know I mentioned this once here & once over the
phone when we taked, but I don't recall ever hearing from you
if you did or not.
This could be your problem... if you ARE using a Multiface,
then check your PCI card - it's got the version # etched on it
in the upper right area of one of the sides -
if it's anything lower than v1.7, then you need to get it
modded, since there is a known issue with how it handles power
supplied to it if it doesn't have this fix. Synthax will do it
under warranty for like $40 including shipping.
If this is the problem, then let me know; I have an extra card
I can lend you to get you rolling until yours gets back from
being fixed, and if you need two I can also pull one of the two
in my PC outta there, since I don't have anything on the
session front for a least a couple weeks.
Neil
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Had to call a session tonight and send everyone home. This is the first
time
>in my entire studio career that I've not been able to figure out a
>workaround for a problem in a tracking session, but when your recorder
>freaks, it's time to wrap. Cubase 4 has gone completely apeshit. Clicks
and
>pops, tracks playing back out of sync, suckage of fidelity.....total
>disaster. The first thing I would normally suspect is the clocking but
>everything shows to be synced rock solid and I can play back entire (large)
>projects in Cubase 4 that were recorded in Paris and then the tracks were
>imported into Cubase SX 3.0.2 with nary a click, pop or hiccup and this
is
>using the AD/DA's that I have here as insert I/O so it's not the converters
>and not the clocking.
>
>It's creating a new project in Cubase 4 that is the problem. It is
>especially problematic when I import an audio track to use for overdubbing.
>
>I did go back to an old project in Cubase 3.0.2 and use it for a source
for
>a global template and it worked on one out of three projects I was tracking
>tonight.
>
>I even uninstalled/reinstalled Cubase 4 and it did no good.
>
>The idea of migrating to Reaper is starting to appeal to me more and more.
I
>think Reaper even allows inputs to be routed to multiple outputs. That would
>really be a nice situation for cues in a tracking session.
>
>Bah.....I'm tired and PO'ed. Grrrrrrrr!!!!
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| Re: This is really startin' to suck (Deej, read carefully) [message #83321 is a reply to message #83317] |
Wed, 18 April 2007 06:46 |
Nil
Messages: 245
Registered: March 2007
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Here's a link to info on that - in my case, the same thing
happened as you're describing; everything was working just fine
& I had that card for at least two years and then suddenly,
pow! Big issues that sounded like no sync/clock, wouldn't play
back properly, etc:
http://www.rme-audio.de/english/faq/hdsp_pci.htm
ALSO... check here just to make sure you're not using this
hardware:
http://www.rme-audio.com/english/faq/alarm.htm#Asus
http://www.rme-audio.com/english/faq/alarm.htm#ABIT
Neil
"Neil" OIU@IU.com> wrote:
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>Deej, are you still using a Multiface? If so, did you ever get
>the updated version of the PCI card, or send yours off for that
>modification? I know I mentioned this once here & once over the
>phone when we taked, but I don't recall ever hearing from you
>if you did or not.
>
>This could be your problem... if you ARE using a Multiface,
>then check your PCI card - it's got the version # etched on it
>in the upper right area of one of the sides -
>if it's anything lower than v1.7, then you need to get it
>modded, since there is a known issue with how it handles power
>supplied to it if it doesn't have this fix. Synthax will do it
>under warranty for like $40 including shipping.
>
>If this is the problem, then let me know; I have an extra card
>I can lend you to get you rolling until yours gets back from
>being fixed, and if you need two I can also pull one of the two
>in my PC outta there, since I don't have anything on the
>session front for a least a couple weeks.
>
>Neil
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>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Had to call a session tonight and send everyone home. This is the first
>time
>>in my entire studio career that I've not been able to figure out a
>>workaround for a problem in a tracking session, but when your recorder
>>freaks, it's time to wrap. Cubase 4 has gone completely apeshit. Clicks
>and
>>pops, tracks playing back out of sync, suckage of fidelity.....total
>>disaster. The first thing I would normally suspect is the clocking but
>>everything shows to be synced rock solid and I can play back entire (large)
>
>>projects in Cubase 4 that were recorded in Paris and then the tracks were
>
>>imported into Cubase SX 3.0.2 with nary a click, pop or hiccup and this
>is
>>using the AD/DA's that I have here as insert I/O so it's not the converters
>
>>and not the clocking.
>>
>>It's creating a new project in Cubase 4 that is the problem. It is
>>especially problematic when I import an audio track to use for overdubbing.
>>
>>I did go back to an old project in Cubase 3.0.2 and use it for a source
>for
>>a global template and it worked on one out of three projects I was tracking
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>>tonight.
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>>I even uninstalled/reinstalled Cubase 4 and it did no good.
>>
>>The idea of migrating to Reaper is starting to appeal to me more and more.
>I
>>think Reaper even allows inputs to be routed to multiple outputs. That
would
>
>>really be a nice situation for cues in a tracking session.
>>
>>Bah.....I'm tired and PO'ed. Grrrrrrrr!!!!
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| Re: This is really startin' to suck [message #83328 is a reply to message #83303] |
Wed, 18 April 2007 08:06 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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DJ - did you install C4 on the same system as SX 3? I have a theory that
many of the Cubase 4 problems reported by other users might be attributed to
installing over SX 3.
You probably aren't using the same prefs/folder obviously, but I've had no
problems with files in C4 on two different systems, but neither had SX3 -
just Nuendo 3. I've imported Nuendo projects as well as creating projects
from scratch.
Sounds like a corruption issue. Not sure I follow exactly what the chain of
events was that creates the problem - is it only new projects? or importing
audio files from older projects?
Regards,
Dedric
On 4/17/07 11:16 PM, in article 4625aa8e@linux, "DJ"
<www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
> Had to call a session tonight and send everyone home. This is the first time
> in my entire studio career that I've not been able to figure out a
> workaround for a problem in a tracking session, but when your recorder
> freaks, it's time to wrap. Cubase 4 has gone completely apeshit. Clicks and
> pops, tracks playing back out of sync, suckage of fidelity.....total
> disaster. The first thing I would normally suspect is the clocking but
> everything shows to be synced rock solid and I can play back entire (large)
> projects in Cubase 4 that were recorded in Paris and then the tracks were
> imported into Cubase SX 3.0.2 with nary a click, pop or hiccup and this is
> using the AD/DA's that I have here as insert I/O so it's not the converters
> and not the clocking.
>
> It's creating a new project in Cubase 4 that is the problem. It is
> especially problematic when I import an audio track to use for overdubbing.
>
> I did go back to an old project in Cubase 3.0.2 and use it for a source for
> a global template and it worked on one out of three projects I was tracking
> tonight.
>
> I even uninstalled/reinstalled Cubase 4 and it did no good.
>
> The idea of migrating to Reaper is starting to appeal to me more and more. I
> think Reaper even allows inputs to be routed to multiple outputs. That would
> really be a nice situation for cues in a tracking session.
>
> Bah.....I'm tired and PO'ed. Grrrrrrrr!!!!
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| Re: This is really startin' to suck [message #83330 is a reply to message #83329] |
Wed, 18 April 2007 09:48 |
erlilo
Messages: 405
Registered: June 2005
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It was too good to be true, that the life now should be too easy for you
with a modern system. You get me worried, since I have Cubase 4 too, but
havn't learned anything about it yet. I know I shall use something Cubase on
a new project, when travelling to Stockholm, Sweden, in June. Now I'm finito
here in Cobenhagen with a Parisproject, travelling back to Norway on Friday,
shall be back here in Cobenhagen in about 3 weeks, traveling on holidays to
Greece for 2 weeks and traveling to Sweden after that.
Hmmm... 2 weeks to learn about Cubase with all the problems... arghhh...
Erlili Erlo
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:46263da7$1@linux...
> This situation (and worse) is all over the Cubase 4 forum.......clicks,
> pops, crackles, system performance degrading as sessions proceed and
> tracks playing out of sync. These tracks play back with no issues in
> Wavelab *and* in Cubase 4 when auditioned in the adio pool. Import the
> track to the project window and it goes bonkers.
>
> Deejfong
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> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4625fddc$1@linux...
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>> Before you blame cubase you might want to find the cause. Isn't this how
>> Jessie Jackson handled the Duke case?
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| Re: This is really startin' to suck [message #83331 is a reply to message #83325] |
Wed, 18 April 2007 10:07 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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Seriously considering an EDS, MEC and 2 x ADAT cards for a tracking rig.
Lots of my work right now is OD's for various session musicians who are
working with other musicians on projects all over the country. These local
guys are touring with a potpurri of bluegrass bands and as they meet up and
open for these various other bands, inevitably someone is working on a CD
and they want one of the Druango guys to lay down some tracks. Some of these
guys are getting pretty famous in that genre and I would like to be able to
work with them. If I have to toss Cubase 4 in order to do this, I'll not
think twice about it. I can tell you right now that Reaper has some features
that could become indispensible. In some ways, it's so far beyond Cubase
that it's sick. Being able to route the same track to multiple outputs is
one of them. A great thing for a tracking session. You can feed the recorded
and active tracks to the main monitor bus while also feeding them to the
various mono track outputs that feed my Furman HDS16 cue system while using
ASIO direct monitoring instead of f***'in around with the Cubase control
room function which requires CPU overhead. That right there is worth the
price of admission.
I've got the MEC here already. I could patch my RME converters into these
for tracking. Problem is, once the tracks are imported into Cubase 4 for
mixing, the nightmare begins. Tracking to Cubase ain't all that hard to do.
It's playing back the tracks that is the problem. Last time I looked, I was
needing to play back tracks I recorded in order to mix them.
;o(
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4626260e$1@linux...
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> Time to start buy'n back all that Paris stuff you sold.
> ;-)
> Rod
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Had to call a session tonight and send everyone home. This is the first
> time
>>in my entire studio career that I've not been able to figure out a
>>workaround for a problem in a tracking session, but when your recorder
>>freaks, it's time to wrap. Cubase 4 has gone completely apeshit. Clicks
> and
>>pops, tracks playing back out of sync, suckage of fidelity.....total
>>disaster. The first thing I would normally suspect is the clocking but
>>everything shows to be synced rock solid and I can play back entire
>>(large)
>
>>projects in Cubase 4 that were recorded in Paris and then the tracks were
>
>>imported into Cubase SX 3.0.2 with nary a click, pop or hiccup and this
> is
>>using the AD/DA's that I have here as insert I/O so it's not the
>>converters
>
>>and not the clocking.
>>
>>It's creating a new project in Cubase 4 that is the problem. It is
>>especially problematic when I import an audio track to use for
>>overdubbing.
>>
>>I did go back to an old project in Cubase 3.0.2 and use it for a source
> for
>>a global template and it worked on one out of three projects I was
>>tracking
>
>>tonight.
>>
>>I even uninstalled/reinstalled Cubase 4 and it did no good.
>>
>>The idea of migrating to Reaper is starting to appeal to me more and more.
> I
>>think Reaper even allows inputs to be routed to multiple outputs. That
>>would
>
>>really be a nice situation for cues in a tracking session.
>>
>>Bah.....I'm tired and PO'ed. Grrrrrrrr!!!!
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| Re: This is really startin' to suck [message #83332 is a reply to message #83329] |
Wed, 18 April 2007 10:15 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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DJ - what files are you importing? Any audio from any source (CD, created
in Wavelab, etc)?
If the latter, then that's my point, there is another problem. I've
imported Nuendo 3 projects, CD tracks, mp3s,
and benchmark tests that ran perfectly in Cubase 4. Don't use the Cubase
forum for a reference -
there is a lot of "it doesn't work so Steinberg sucks!" style of
troubleshooting there (e.g. people that absolutely
refuse to dig any deeper than turning on Cubase 4 and posting about it).
Not very useful when it comes to actually solving problems and getting back
to work. :-)
Do you have the media bay set to only scan when open? That could cause some
headaches
I could imagine - if it is scanning all of your drives while trying to
playback audio. I think the default
may be to always scan. Depending on the system it might not be a problem,
but it's worth a look.
If that isn't it, I would think about wiping SX 3 and C4, and start fresh
with a C4-only install.
Regards,
Dedric
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46263da7$1@linux...
> This situation (and worse) is all over the Cubase 4 forum.......clicks,
> pops, crackles, system performance degrading as sessions proceed and
> tracks playing out of sync. These tracks play back with no issues in
> Wavelab *and* in Cubase 4 when auditioned in the adio pool. Import the
> track to the project window and it goes bonkers.
>
> Deejfong
>
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> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4625fddc$1@linux...
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>> Before you blame cubase you might want to find the cause. Isn't this how
>> Jessie Jackson handled the Duke case?
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| Re: This is really startin' to suck [message #83333 is a reply to message #83332] |
Wed, 18 April 2007 10:22 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
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Dedric,
Thanks for the suggestions. I'll look into this and FYI, Cubase 4 was
installed to a clean install of Windows XP Pro that has never had Cubase SX
installed on it.
Deej
"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message news:4626534f$1@linux...
> DJ - what files are you importing? Any audio from any source (CD, created
> in Wavelab, etc)?
> If the latter, then that's my point, there is another problem. I've
> imported Nuendo 3 projects, CD tracks, mp3s,
> and benchmark tests that ran perfectly in Cubase 4. Don't use the Cubase
> forum for a reference -
> there is a lot of "it doesn't work so Steinberg sucks!" style of
> troubleshooting there (e.g. people that absolutely
> refuse to dig any deeper than turning on Cubase 4 and posting about it).
>
> Not very useful when it comes to actually solving problems and getting
> back to work. :-)
>
> Do you have the media bay set to only scan when open? That could cause
> some headaches
> I could imagine - if it is scanning all of your drives while trying to
> playback audio. I think the default
> may be to always scan. Depending on the system it might not be a problem,
> but it's worth a look.
>
> If that isn't it, I would think about wiping SX 3 and C4, and start fresh
> with a C4-only install.
>
> Regards,
> Dedric
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> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46263da7$1@linux...
>> This situation (and worse) is all over the Cubase 4 forum.......clicks,
>> pops, crackles, system performance degrading as sessions proceed and
>> tracks playing out of sync. These tracks play back with no issues in
>> Wavelab *and* in Cubase 4 when auditioned in the adio pool. Import the
>> track to the project window and it goes bonkers.
>>
>> Deejfong
>>
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4625fddc$1@linux...
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>>> Before you blame cubase you might want to find the cause. Isn't this
>>> how
>>> Jessie Jackson handled the Duke case?
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| Re: This is really startin' to suck [message #83336 is a reply to message #83335] |
Wed, 18 April 2007 11:01 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
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> How do you know it's the software & not the card issue like I
> mentioned? You still haven't said if you have the older version
> of the PCI card or not? I suspect you might.
>
> You can switch to Reaper, or Nuendo, or Sonar if you want to,
> but if you're using a Multiface as your i/o box and your card
> needs that capacitor fix I mentioned, you're still gonna have
> the same problem.
>
> Neil
Hi Neil,
I just pulled the Multiface PCI. It is v1.7. I appreciate the offer of a
loan. Like I said before, the system works fine with projects that were
created in Cubase SX v3x. Just not with projects that are created in Cubase
4, and if I take an old Cubase SX project and use it for a global template,
it works, sometimes.
I may have to go back to SX3.0.2. I did a backup of all of my projects
before I opened them in Cubase 4, just in case, since once a project is
opened ( or corrupted) by Cubase 4, there is no going back to SX3x.
My problem is that I'm in the middle of a round of OD sessions and it's less
than convenient to to all this crap right about now.........but I guess I'll
have to.
You're still using SX, correct? If so, you might want to stay there for a
while. If I can figure out what's going on, I'll let you know. Dedric has
some good suggestions that I'm going to look into. I have a RAID 0 array
using two 10k Raptors on a SIL RAID controller. I've never heard of problems
with this controller, but I'm going to do some experimentation with using
another HD for this and see if that might be the fix.
Cheers,
Deej
;o)
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| Re: This is really startin' to suck [message #83338 is a reply to message #83331] |
Wed, 18 April 2007 11:11 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
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I've never used SX 4, so I can't say, but this sounds fishily like hardware
not software to me. Can you try some things in other apps?
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Seriously considering an EDS, MEC and 2 x ADAT cards for a tracking rig.
>Lots of my work right now is OD's for various session musicians who are
>working with other musicians on projects all over the country. These local
>guys are touring with a potpurri of bluegrass bands and as they meet up
and
>open for these various other bands, inevitably someone is working on a CD
>and they want one of the Druango guys to lay down some tracks. Some of these
>guys are getting pretty famous in that genre and I would like to be able
to
>work with them. If I have to toss Cubase 4 in order to do this, I'll not
>think twice about it. I can tell you right now that Reaper has some features
>that could become indispensible. In some ways, it's so far beyond Cubase
>that it's sick. Being able to route the same track to multiple outputs is
>one of them. A great thing for a tracking session. You can feed the recorded
>and active tracks to the main monitor bus while also feeding them to the
>various mono track outputs that feed my Furman HDS16 cue system while using
>ASIO direct monitoring instead of f***'in around with the Cubase control
>room function which requires CPU overhead. That right there is worth the
>price of admission.
>
>I've got the MEC here already. I could patch my RME converters into these
>for tracking. Problem is, once the tracks are imported into Cubase 4 for
>mixing, the nightmare begins. Tracking to Cubase ain't all that hard to
do.
>It's playing back the tracks that is the problem. Last time I looked, I
was
>needing to play back tracks I recorded in order to mix them.
>
>;o(
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:4626260e$1@linux...
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>> Time to start buy'n back all that Paris stuff you sold.
>> ;-)
>> Rod
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>Had to call a session tonight and send everyone home. This is the first
>> time
>>>in my entire studio career that I've not been able to figure out a
>>>workaround for a problem in a tracking session, but when your recorder
>>>freaks, it's time to wrap. Cubase 4 has gone completely apeshit. Clicks
>> and
>>>pops, tracks playing back out of sync, suckage of fidelity.....total
>>>disaster. The first thing I would normally suspect is the clocking but
>>>everything shows to be synced rock solid and I can play back entire
>>>(large)
>>
>>>projects in Cubase 4 that were recorded in Paris and then the tracks were
>>
>>>imported into Cubase SX 3.0.2 with nary a click, pop or hiccup and this
>> is
>>>using the AD/DA's that I have here as insert I/O so it's not the
>>>converters
>>
>>>and not the clocking.
>>>
>>>It's creating a new project in Cubase 4 that is the problem. It is
>>>especially problematic when I import an audio track to use for
>>>overdubbing.
>>>
>>>I did go back to an old project in Cubase 3.0.2 and use it for a source
>> for
>>>a global template and it worked on one out of three projects I was
>>>tracking
>>
>>>tonight.
>>>
>>>I even uninstalled/reinstalled Cubase 4 and it did no good.
>>>
>>>The idea of migrating to Reaper is starting to appeal to me more and more.
>> I
>>>think Reaper even allows inputs to be routed to multiple outputs. That
>>>would
>>
>>>really be a nice situation for cues in a tracking session.
>>>
>>>Bah.....I'm tired and PO'ed. Grrrrrrrr!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Re: This is really startin' to suck [message #83339 is a reply to message #83338] |
Wed, 18 April 2007 11:18 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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I'm digging into the IRQ and PCI bus morass as we speak. I just swapped some
cards around to different PCI slots in one of the Magmas. It's not like I
don't have a few variables at play here that people with a bare modicum of
common sense wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole.
;o)
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:46265f57$1@linux...
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> I've never used SX 4, so I can't say, but this sounds fishily like
> hardware
> not software to me. Can you try some things in other apps?
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Seriously considering an EDS, MEC and 2 x ADAT cards for a tracking rig.
>
>>Lots of my work right now is OD's for various session musicians who are
>
>>working with other musicians on projects all over the country. These local
>
>>guys are touring with a potpurri of bluegrass bands and as they meet up
> and
>>open for these various other bands, inevitably someone is working on a CD
>
>>and they want one of the Druango guys to lay down some tracks. Some of
>>these
>
>>guys are getting pretty famous in that genre and I would like to be able
> to
>>work with them. If I have to toss Cubase 4 in order to do this, I'll not
>
>>think twice about it. I can tell you right now that Reaper has some
>>features
>
>>that could become indispensible. In some ways, it's so far beyond Cubase
>
>>that it's sick. Being able to route the same track to multiple outputs is
>
>>one of them. A great thing for a tracking session. You can feed the
>>recorded
>
>>and active tracks to the main monitor bus while also feeding them to the
>
>>various mono track outputs that feed my Furman HDS16 cue system while
>>using
>
>>ASIO direct monitoring instead of f***'in around with the Cubase control
>
>>room function which requires CPU overhead. That right there is worth the
>
>>price of admission.
>>
>>I've got the MEC here already. I could patch my RME converters into these
>
>>for tracking. Problem is, once the tracks are imported into Cubase 4 for
>
>>mixing, the nightmare begins. Tracking to Cubase ain't all that hard to
> do.
>>It's playing back the tracks that is the problem. Last time I looked, I
> was
>>needing to play back tracks I recorded in order to mix them.
>>
>>;o(
>>
>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:4626260e$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Time to start buy'n back all that Paris stuff you sold.
>>> ;-)
>>> Rod
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>Had to call a session tonight and send everyone home. This is the first
>>> time
>>>>in my entire studio career that I've not been able to figure out a
>>>>workaround for a problem in a tracking session, but when your recorder
>>>>freaks, it's time to wrap. Cubase 4 has gone completely apeshit. Clicks
>>> and
>>>>pops, tracks playing back out of sync, suckage of fidelity.....total
>>>>disaster. The first thing I would normally suspect is the clocking but
>>>>everything shows to be synced rock solid and I can play back entire
>>>>(large)
>>>
>>>>projects in Cubase 4 that were recorded in Paris and then the tracks
>>>>were
>>>
>>>>imported into Cubase SX 3.0.2 with nary a click, pop or hiccup and this
>>> is
>>>>using the AD/DA's that I have here as insert I/O so it's not the
>>>>converters
>>>
>>>>and not the clocking.
>>>>
>>>>It's creating a new project in Cubase 4 that is the problem. It is
>>>>especially problematic when I import an audio track to use for
>>>>overdubbing.
>>>>
>>>>I did go back to an old project in Cubase 3.0.2 and use it for a source
>>> for
>>>>a global template and it worked on one out of three projects I was
>>>>tracking
>>>
>>>>tonight.
>>>>
>>>>I even uninstalled/reinstalled Cubase 4 and it did no good.
>>>>
>>>>The idea of migrating to Reaper is starting to appeal to me more and
>>>>more.
>>> I
>>>>think Reaper even allows inputs to be routed to multiple outputs. That
>
>>>>would
>>>
>>>>really be a nice situation for cues in a tracking session.
>>>>
>>>>Bah.....I'm tired and PO'ed. Grrrrrrrr!!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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| Re: This is really startin' to suck [message #83340 is a reply to message #83333] |
Wed, 18 April 2007 11:23 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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It sounds like a hardware issue or corrupt app file of some sort - it is odd
that other apps are fine,
so the latter sounds more likely.
Fyi, I wouldn't put Reaper on the list of replacements - it's fine for a
shareware app
to play around with but lacks the workflow and confidence higher end apps
(usually)
provide. It has some features, but the whole time I was using it I felt
like I was opening
a Windows text file, and waiting for it to blow up on me - just doesn't
instill confidence and
efficiency - some cool features, but the missing features are showstoppers
for a lot of applications.
Nuendo 3 might be an alternative (at least if you
can work a crossgrade/upgrade of some sort) - rock solid here, and you have
the control
room, if that's a reason you are going with Cubase 4 over SX 3.
I don't recall the rest of the thread, but I assume you trashed the C4 prefs
and started
a project from scratch? That has been know to cause all sorts of weirdness,
even it N3/SX3
but once they are rebuilt, problem solved. Once that's done, you can still
import your control room, key commands, setups etc).
I know what you mean - never a convenient time for problems like this. Give
me a call if I can help
in any way.
Regards,
Dedric
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:462654d8@linux...
> Dedric,
>
> Thanks for the suggestions. I'll look into this and FYI, Cubase 4 was
> installed to a clean install of Windows XP Pro t
hat has never had Cubase SX
> installed on it.
>
> Deej
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message
> news:4626534f$1@linux...
>> DJ - what files are you importing? Any audio from any source (CD,
>> created in Wavelab, etc)?
>> If the latter, then that's my point, there is another problem. I've
>> imported Nuendo 3 projects, CD tracks, mp3s,
>> and benchmark tests that ran perfectly in Cubase 4. Don't use the Cubase
>> forum for a reference -
>> there is a lot of "it doesn't work so Steinberg sucks!" style of
>> troubleshooting there (e.g. people that absolutely
>> refuse to dig any deeper than turning on Cubase 4 and posting about it).
>>
>> Not very useful when it comes to actually solving problems and getting
>> back to work. :-)
>>
>> Do you have the media bay set to only scan when open? That could cause
>> some headaches
>> I could imagine - if it is scanning all of your drives while trying to
>> playback audio. I think the default
>> may be to always scan. Depending on the system it might not be a
>> problem, but it's worth a look.
>>
>> If that isn't it, I would think about wiping SX 3 and C4, and start fresh
>> with a C4-only install.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46263da7$1@linux...
>>> This situation (and worse) is all over the Cubase 4 forum.......clicks,
>>> pops, crackles, system performance degrading as sessions proceed and
>>> tracks playing out of sync. These tracks play back with no issues in
>>> Wavelab *and* in Cubase 4 when auditioned in the adio pool. Import the
>>> track to the project window and it goes bonkers.
>>>
>>> Deejfong
>>>
>>>
>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4625fddc$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Before you blame cubase you might want to find the cause. Isn't this
>>>> how
>>>> Jessie Jackson handled the Duke case?
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: This is really startin' to suck [message #83346 is a reply to message #83338] |
Wed, 18 April 2007 15:10 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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I Agree with thad. Run down and get a sound card (any) M-audio, EMU to test..
This sounds like when a friends M-Audio Delta 1010 had problems with Poping
and clicking...
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>I've never used SX 4, so I can't say, but this sounds fishily like hardware
>not software to me. Can you try some things in other apps?
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Seriously considering an EDS, MEC and 2 x ADAT cards for a tracking rig.
>
>>Lots of my work right now is OD's for various session musicians who are
>
>>working with other musicians on projects all over the country. These local
>
>>guys are touring with a potpurri of bluegrass bands and as they meet up
>and
>>open for these various other bands, inevitably someone is working on a
CD
>
>>and they want one of the Druango guys to lay down some tracks. Some of
these
>
>>guys are getting pretty famous in that genre and I would like to be able
>to
>>work with them. If I have to toss Cubase 4 in order to do this, I'll not
>
>>think twice about it. I can tell you right now that Reaper has some features
>
>>that could become indispensible. In some ways, it's so far beyond Cubase
>
>>that it's sick. Being able to route the same track to multiple outputs
is
>
>>one of them. A great thing for a tracking session. You can feed the recorded
>
>>and active tracks to the main monitor bus while also feeding them to the
>
>>various mono track outputs that feed my Furman HDS16 cue system while using
>
>>ASIO direct monitoring instead of f***'in around with the Cubase control
>
>>room function which requires CPU overhead. That right there is worth the
>
>>price of admission.
>>
>>I've got the MEC here already. I could patch my RME converters into these
>
>>for tracking. Problem is, once the tracks are imported into Cubase 4 for
>
>>mixing, the nightmare begins. Tracking to Cubase ain't all that hard to
>do.
>>It's playing back the tracks that is the problem. Last time I looked, I
>was
>>needing to play back tracks I recorded in order to mix them.
>>
>>;o(
>>
>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:4626260e$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Time to start buy'n back all that Paris stuff you sold.
>>> ;-)
>>> Rod
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>Had to call a session tonight and send everyone home. This is the first
>>> time
>>>>in my entire studio career that I've not been able to figure out a
>>>>workaround for a problem in a tracking session, but when your recorder
>>>>freaks, it's time to wrap. Cubase 4 has gone completely apeshit. Clicks
>>> and
>>>>pops, tracks playing back out of sync, suckage of fidelity.....total
>>>>disaster. The first thing I would normally suspect is the clocking but
>>>>everything shows to be synced rock solid and I can play back entire
>>>>(large)
>>>
>>>>projects in Cubase 4 that were recorded in Paris and then the tracks
were
>>>
>>>>imported into Cubase SX 3.0.2 with nary a click, pop or hiccup and this
>>> is
>>>>using the AD/DA's that I have here as insert I/O so it's not the
>>>>converters
>>>
>>>>and not the clocking.
>>>>
>>>>It's creating a new project in Cubase 4 that is the problem. It is
>>>>especially problematic when I import an audio track to use for
>>>>overdubbing.
>>>>
>>>>I did go back to an old project in Cubase 3.0.2 and use it for a source
>>> for
>>>>a global template and it worked on one out of three projects I was
>>>>tracking
>>>
>>>>tonight.
>>>>
>>>>I even uninstalled/reinstalled Cubase 4 and it did no good.
>>>>
>>>>The idea of migrating to Reaper is starting to appeal to me more and
more.
>>> I
>>>>think Reaper even allows inputs to be routed to multiple outputs. That
>
>>>>would
>>>
>>>>really be a nice situation for cues in a tracking session.
>>>>
>>>>Bah.....I'm tired and PO'ed. Grrrrrrrr!!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: This is really startin' to suck [message #83350 is a reply to message #83331] |
Wed, 18 April 2007 19:12 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
Registered: September 2005
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Deej,
Sorry mate, but it looks like PT is for you....compatibility..that's what
it's all about.
I just did a session with my PT / M-Audio rig, and apart from having to use
software controls, (no controller yet), it all went and sounded well, except
that I could do so much more in terms of processing with Nuendo.
(I had to use PT cause an AppleOSX install disk that I was trying to copy
hosed my operating system, and when I reinstalled XP, Nuendo didn't
work.....does now though...boy am I relieved.
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46265143$1@linux...
> Seriously considering an EDS, MEC and 2 x ADAT cards for a tracking rig.
> Lots of my work right now is OD's for various session musicians who are
> working with other musicians on projects all over the country. These local
> guys are touring with a potpurri of bluegrass bands and as they meet up
> and open for these various other bands, inevitably someone is working on a
> CD and they want one of the Druango guys to lay down some tracks. Some of
> these guys are getting pretty famous in that genre and I would like to be
> able to work with them. If I have to toss Cubase 4 in order to do this,
> I'll not think twice about it. I can tell you right now that Reaper has
> some features that could become indispensible. In some ways, it's so far
> beyond Cubase that it's sick. Being able to route the same track to
> multiple outputs is one of them. A great thing for a tracking session. You
> can feed the recorded and active tracks to the main monitor bus while also
> feeding them to the various mono track outputs that feed my Furman HDS16
> cue system while using ASIO direct monitoring instead of f***'in around
> with the Cubase control room function which requires CPU overhead. That
> right there is worth the price of admission.
>
> I've got the MEC here already. I could patch my RME converters into these
> for tracking. Problem is, once the tracks are imported into Cubase 4 for
> mixing, the nightmare begins. Tracking to Cubase ain't all that hard to
> do. It's playing back the tracks that is the problem. Last time I looked,
> I was needing to play back tracks I recorded in order to mix them.
>
> ;o(
>
> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:4626260e$1@linux...
>>
>> Time to start buy'n back all that Paris stuff you sold.
>> ;-)
>> Rod
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>Had to call a session tonight and send everyone home. This is the first
>> time
>>>in my entire studio career that I've not been able to figure out a
>>>workaround for a problem in a tracking session, but when your recorder
>>>freaks, it's time to wrap. Cubase 4 has gone completely apeshit. Clicks
>> and
>>>pops, tracks playing back out of sync, suckage of fidelity.....total
>>>disaster. The first thing I would normally suspect is the clocking but
>>>everything shows to be synced rock solid and I can play back entire
>>>(large)
>>
>>>projects in Cubase 4 that were recorded in Paris and then the tracks were
>>
>>>imported into Cubase SX 3.0.2 with nary a click, pop or hiccup and this
>> is
>>>using the AD/DA's that I have here as insert I/O so it's not the
>>>converters
>>
>>>and not the clocking.
>>>
>>>It's creating a new project in Cubase 4 that is the problem. It is
>>>especially problematic when I import an audio track to use for
>>>overdubbing.
>>>
>>>I did go back to an old project in Cubase 3.0.2 and use it for a source
>> for
>>>a global template and it worked on one out of three projects I was
>>>tracking
>>
>>>tonight.
>>>
>>>I even uninstalled/reinstalled Cubase 4 and it did no good.
>>>
>>>The idea of migrating to Reaper is starting to appeal to me more and
>>>more.
>> I
>>>think Reaper even allows inputs to be routed to multiple outputs. That
>>>would
>>
>>>really be a nice situation for cues in a tracking session.
>>>
>>>Bah.....I'm tired and PO'ed. Grrrrrrrr!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: This is really startin' to suck [message #83363 is a reply to message #83349] |
Thu, 19 April 2007 04:17 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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I think it's because my stuff just works now and I don't have the continual
problems I had with Paris. I was always trying to use the Paris features
like Freeform mode with looping punch in and it would crash non stop so I
was always pissed in Paris.
Now in Cubase I'm hitting Stacked mode and it's amazing. I hope Cubase proves
to be the solid DAW I'm feeling currently.
BTW, I'm still loving the Air Supply mixes. You killed em !
John
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