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Sun, 11 February 2007 18:20   |
Neil
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Can't you just use your VSTi's in stand-alone mode on that PC &
drive 'em with MIDI coming off of your main DAW? Or if they all
don't have stand-alone options, just open up Cubase v3 & insert
them across various MIDI channels set to receive the
corresponding MIDI channel(s) from your main DAW. SX3 wouldn't
have to be running, it'd just be in "IDLE" mode.
Or would that not sync up properly with the streaming audio on
the main machine?
Neil
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I just can't seem to get my head around simplicity, I guess. I've still
got
>my native DAW here with Cubase 3 on it and all of my VSTi's. Most of these
>will operate in standalone mode. I also still have my Scope Luna card with
>16 ADAT I/O and a S/Pdif I/O. I'm thinking of keeping it around as a farm
>system for lightpiping audio from VSTi's to Cubase SX. I'm also thinking
of
>getting something like VStack to use as a VSTi host. I could even sync it
>via ADAT sync since I have the Scope Sync plate.
>
>I'm just wondering.....it looks to me like I could even patch the Luna midi
>out to one of my RME midi inputs and record the midi direct to Cubase SX
in
>real time simultaneously. then, if the two systems were synced gvia ADAT
>sync, I could patch the midi out of my RME card to the Luna midi input and
>use it as a sound generator .................but then I would have to
>monitor the incoming tracks in real time during a mix.......but if the
>buffers on both systems were the same, that *should* work, right?
>
>How do you guys use farm systems? Just record the audio and be done with
it?
>the point of this whole exercise would be to save resources on the DAW
>streaming audio, but as usual, I'm probably trying to snatch defeat from
the
>jaws of victory.
>
>;o)
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| Re: using a farm system.........VSTi hosts and other questions........ [message #79905 is a reply to message #79904] |
Sun, 11 February 2007 17:48 |
Deej [4]
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Hey Neil,
thanks for the reply,
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45cfc0e3$1@linux...
>=20
> Can't you just use your VSTi's in stand-alone mode on that PC &
> drive 'em with MIDI coming off of your main DAW?=20
..........hmmmm......well, I don't know because3 I've never tried =
it...........
Or if they all
> don't have stand-alone options, just open up Cubase v3 & insert
> them across various MIDI channels set to receive the
> corresponding MIDI channel(s) from your main DAW. SX3 wouldn't
> have to be running, it'd just be in "IDLE" mode.
.......ahhhh...yeah, but then I've got to *buy* another copy of Cubase 3, =
because my dongle is in my main DAW.....seems a VSTi host would work for =
this though.
>=20
> Or would that not sync up properly with the streaming audio on
> the main machine?
Don't know....................damn!!!.......why is achieving simplicity =
so complicated???
;o)
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hey Neil,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>thanks for the reply,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Neil" <</FONT><A=20
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size=3D2>OIUOIU@OIU.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> wrote =
in message=20
</FONT><A href=3D"news:45cfc0e3$1@linux"><FONT face=3DArial=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> Can't you just use your =
VSTi's in=20
stand-alone mode on that PC &<BR>> drive 'em with MIDI coming off =
of your=20
main DAW? </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>.........hmmmm......well, I don't =
know because3=20
I've never tried it...........</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></EM><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Or if they all<BR>> don't have =
stand-alone=20
options, just open up Cubase v3 & insert<BR>> them across various =
MIDI=20
channels set to receive the<BR>> corresponding MIDI channel(s) from =
your main=20
DAW. SX3 wouldn't<BR>> have to be running, it'd just be in "IDLE"=20
mode.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>......ahhhh...yeah, but then I've =
got to *buy*=20
another copy of Cubase 3, because my dongle is in my main DAW.....seems =
a VSTi=20
host would work for this though.</EM></DIV>
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streaming=20
audio on<BR>> the main machine?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><EM>Don't know....................damn!!!.......why is achieving =
simplicity=20
so complicated???</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM>;o)</EM></DIV>
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| Re: using a farm system.........VSTi hosts and other [message #79911 is a reply to message #79903] |
Sun, 11 February 2007 20:45 |
Dedric Terry
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DJ - I run Kontakt 2 (and others at times - Absynth, Reaktor, etc)
separately via Midi Over Lan (all are on a Gigabit ethernet), with audio
between RME interfaces, locked to the master system's word clock (another
option for multiple VSTis is VStack, rather than burning a copy of Cubase
for hosting alone).
You may already know and have tried this, but with Nuendo/Cubase, there are
external instruments in the Control Room/Studio setup that allow you to
assign midi devices, and audio inputs to any external device, including a
farm PC. I have 4 stereo inputs and 64 midi channels to a farm PC, and that
routes via Totalmix/lightpipe back to the main PC. The advantage of
offloading that much processing is that I can run both PCs at low latency.
External instruments are then opened in the VSTi list (under "External") as
if they were VSTis.
When mixing down with external instruments, the bounce will run real time
since it is including outboard audio, but will include the external
instruments in the mix as live inputs, without having to track them down
first (of course those external instrument channels are like any other - you
can add plugins, route them to groups, etc).
Very, very cool.
Regards,
Dedric
On 2/11/07 5:29 PM, in article 45cfb4e8@linux, "DJ"
<www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
> How do you guys use farm systems? Just record the audio and be done with it?
> the point of this whole exercise would be to save resources on the DAW
> streaming audio, but as usual, I'm probably trying to snatch defeat from the
> jaws of victory.
>
> ;o)
>
>
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| Re: using a farm system.........VSTi hosts and otherquestions........ [message #79915 is a reply to message #79911] |
Sun, 11 February 2007 23:42 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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OK then.....this actually sounds do'able for me as I've got 16 ADAT channels
available available on both systems. VSTack might be the ticket,but I was
fooling around with another VSTi host a while back that worked nicely. I've
got it on my HD somewhere as I was trying to kludge something together with
UAD-1's and Paris with it at one time. It actually worked for this too, at a
fairly low latency.
anyway..........this is good news.
;o)
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
news:C1F53F00.7836%dterry@keyofd.net...
> DJ - I run Kontakt 2 (and others at times - Absynth, Reaktor, etc)
> separately via Midi Over Lan (all are on a Gigabit ethernet), with audio
> between RME interfaces, locked to the master system's word clock (another
> option for multiple VSTis is VStack, rather than burning a copy of Cubase
> for hosting alone).
>
> You may already know and have tried this, but with Nuendo/Cubase, there
> are
> external instruments in the Control Room/Studio setup that allow you to
> assign midi devices, and audio inputs to any external device, including a
> farm PC. I have 4 stereo inputs and 64 midi channels to a farm PC, and
> that
> routes via Totalmix/lightpipe back to the main PC. The advantage of
> offloading that much processing is that I can run both PCs at low latency.
> External instruments are then opened in the VSTi list (under "External")
> as
> if they were VSTis.
>
> When mixing down with external instruments, the bounce will run real time
> since it is including outboard audio, but will include the external
> instruments in the mix as live inputs, without having to track them down
> first (of course those external instrument channels are like any other -
> you
> can add plugins, route them to groups, etc).
>
> Very, very cool.
>
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
> On 2/11/07 5:29 PM, in article 45cfb4e8@linux, "DJ"
> <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>> How do you guys use farm systems? Just record the audio and be done with
>> it?
>> the point of this whole exercise would be to save resources on the DAW
>> streaming audio, but as usual, I'm probably trying to snatch defeat from
>> the
>> jaws of victory.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Re: using a farm system.........VSTi hosts and other questions........ [message #79929 is a reply to message #79903] |
Mon, 12 February 2007 08:40 |
gene lennon
Messages: 565
Registered: July 2006
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DJ
You know I run a multi-computer setup. The total number is always in flux,
but it is basically a farm. I run PC s with V-Stack and GigaStudio and Macs
with RAX ,V-Stack or alternate DAWs. My PC s have RME Hammerfalls and my
slave Macs vary depending on what I’m doing. Example: if I am running logic,
my second computer could be a node, which only needs Ethernet. It all comes
together in a large MOTU rig through ATAT optical.
Clocks seem to defeat some people, but this setup has proved to be dependable
for years including more or les continuous upgrading and reconfiguring.
"the point of this whole exercise would be to save resources on the DAW
streaming audio"
Exactly
Gene
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I just can't seem to get my head around simplicity, I guess. I've still
got
>my native DAW here with Cubase 3 on it and all of my VSTi's. Most of these
>will operate in standalone mode. I also still have my Scope Luna card with
>16 ADAT I/O and a S/Pdif I/O. I'm thinking of keeping it around as a farm
>system for lightpiping audio from VSTi's to Cubase SX. I'm also thinking
of
>getting something like VStack to use as a VSTi host. I could even sync it
>via ADAT sync since I have the Scope Sync plate.
>
>I'm just wondering.....it looks to me like I could even patch the Luna midi
>out to one of my RME midi inputs and record the midi direct to Cubase SX
in
>real time simultaneously. then, if the two systems were synced gvia ADAT
>sync, I could patch the midi out of my RME card to the Luna midi input and
>use it as a sound generator .................but then I would have to
>monitor the incoming tracks in real time during a mix.......but if the
>buffers on both systems were the same, that *should* work, right?
>
>How do you guys use farm systems? Just record the audio and be done with
it?
>the point of this whole exercise would be to save resources on the DAW
>streaming audio, but as usual, I'm probably trying to snatch defeat from
the
>jaws of victory.
>
>;o)
>
>
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