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| Rock'n'Roll isn't dead, it's just very, very, very old [message #87826] |
Mon, 09 July 2007 13:23  |
TCB
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Did any of you see the 'performances' of the Live Earth show? Putting aside
the competent, workmanlike Jon Bon Jovi (I can't believe I just wrote that),
and the slightly more businesslike, competent Genesis, did ANYONE impress?
I thought the Police (one of my favorite bands ever) had all the energy of
lab after running a marathon, and other than Gordon's estimable guns couldn't
find anything to enjoy. I mean, Roxanne, you know, that song about a whore,
as a wave your hands in the air eco-marathon? Lenny Kravitz (who, unlike
Gordon appears to have been making second trips to the buffet table) telling
his Rio crowd to sing louder to 'Let Love Rule' when most of them probably
don't know what the hell he's saying. Even Kelly Clarkson, a minor talent
to be sure but one would assume to be a decent performer, stunk the joint
up. Did I miss the good parts?
Made me feel a lot better about the Monkies. At least we have some energy
and can sing in tune on stage.
TCB
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| Re: Rock'n'Roll isn't dead, it's just very, very, very old [message #87829 is a reply to message #87826] |
Mon, 09 July 2007 14:03  |
Neil
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Jon Bon Jovi blew his voice out years ago & ought to just retire
if he can't scream out the RAWK tunes liike they ought to be
scrum out... going Country didn't really do it for me. I thought
they came across OK as a band overall - i kept trying to find
the fiddle player onstage, though, then I realized it had to be
the keyboard player playing the fiddle parts. strange evolution
for a hairmetal band.
Yelly Clarkson - was not very good, acted like she didn't give a
shit to be up there. Lenny was OK, didn't see Genesis.
Police - never liked 'em very much, but I sure like Copeland's
drumming... I enjoyed it this time, too.
Alicia Keys kicked major ass on "Gimme Shelter".
Neil
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>Did any of you see the 'performances' of the Live Earth show? Putting aside
>the competent, workmanlike Jon Bon Jovi (I can't believe I just wrote that),
>and the slightly more businesslike, competent Genesis, did ANYONE impress?
>I thought the Police (one of my favorite bands ever) had all the energy
of
>lab after running a marathon, and other than Gordon's estimable guns couldn't
>find anything to enjoy. I mean, Roxanne, you know, that song about a whore,
>as a wave your hands in the air eco-marathon? Lenny Kravitz (who, unlike
>Gordon appears to have been making second trips to the buffet table) telling
>his Rio crowd to sing louder to 'Let Love Rule' when most of them probably
>don't know what the hell he's saying. Even Kelly Clarkson, a minor talent
>to be sure but one would assume to be a decent performer, stunk the joint
>up. Did I miss the good parts?
>
>Made me feel a lot better about the Monkies. At least we have some energy
>and can sing in tune on stage.
>
>TCB
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| Re: Rock'n'Roll isn't dead, it's just very, very, very old [message #87830 is a reply to message #87829] |
Mon, 09 July 2007 14:09 |
TCB
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Didn't see Keys, but I'll take your word for it.
I didn't say Johnny Bon was GOOD, just that he did a solid professional job
for a guy his age.
TCB
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>Jon Bon Jovi blew his voice out years ago & ought to just retire
>if he can't scream out the RAWK tunes liike they ought to be
>scrum out... going Country didn't really do it for me. I thought
>they came across OK as a band overall - i kept trying to find
>the fiddle player onstage, though, then I realized it had to be
>the keyboard player playing the fiddle parts. strange evolution
>for a hairmetal band.
>
>Yelly Clarkson - was not very good, acted like she didn't give a
>shit to be up there. Lenny was OK, didn't see Genesis.
>
>Police - never liked 'em very much, but I sure like Copeland's
>drumming... I enjoyed it this time, too.
>
>Alicia Keys kicked major ass on "Gimme Shelter".
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>
>Neil
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>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>>Did any of you see the 'performances' of the Live Earth show? Putting aside
>>the competent, workmanlike Jon Bon Jovi (I can't believe I just wrote that),
>>and the slightly more businesslike, competent Genesis, did ANYONE impress?
>>I thought the Police (one of my favorite bands ever) had all the energy
>of
>>lab after running a marathon, and other than Gordon's estimable guns couldn't
>>find anything to enjoy. I mean, Roxanne, you know, that song about a whore,
>>as a wave your hands in the air eco-marathon? Lenny Kravitz (who, unlike
>>Gordon appears to have been making second trips to the buffet table) telling
>>his Rio crowd to sing louder to 'Let Love Rule' when most of them probably
>>don't know what the hell he's saying. Even Kelly Clarkson, a minor talent
>>to be sure but one would assume to be a decent performer, stunk the joint
>>up. Did I miss the good parts?
>>
>>Made me feel a lot better about the Monkies. At least we have some energy
>>and can sing in tune on stage.
>>
>>TCB
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| Re: Rock'n'Roll isn't dead, it's just very, very, very old [message #87838 is a reply to message #87829] |
Mon, 09 July 2007 18:43 |
Aaron Allen
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My biggest issue wasn't with the artists as much as with the lousy sound. I
think I could've done better with a rack of Alesis 3630's, a coupla DOD
delays and a pair of PV XR1200 than most of what I heard. Distorted toms
lasting over a minute? How beginner sound guy can you get.
Totally disappointed in that and a few things to do with the cause and how
the concert was approached. Creating awareness about global warming/overuse
of energy and having a dozen giant plasma/LCD displays with a gaggle of
PAR64 lamps./a few hundred backdrop lights running in the daytime didn't set
that well with me.
AA
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4692a29f$1@linux...
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> Jon Bon Jovi blew his voice out years ago & ought to just retire
> if he can't scream out the RAWK tunes liike they ought to be
> scrum out... going Country didn't really do it for me. I thought
> they came across OK as a band overall - i kept trying to find
> the fiddle player onstage, though, then I realized it had to be
> the keyboard player playing the fiddle parts. strange evolution
> for a hairmetal band.
>
> Yelly Clarkson - was not very good, acted like she didn't give a
> shit to be up there. Lenny was OK, didn't see Genesis.
>
> Police - never liked 'em very much, but I sure like Copeland's
> drumming... I enjoyed it this time, too.
>
> Alicia Keys kicked major ass on "Gimme Shelter".
>
>
> Neil
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> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>>Did any of you see the 'performances' of the Live Earth show? Putting
>>aside
>>the competent, workmanlike Jon Bon Jovi (I can't believe I just wrote
>>that),
>>and the slightly more businesslike, competent Genesis, did ANYONE impress?
>>I thought the Police (one of my favorite bands ever) had all the energy
> of
>>lab after running a marathon, and other than Gordon's estimable guns
>>couldn't
>>find anything to enjoy. I mean, Roxanne, you know, that song about a
>>whore,
>>as a wave your hands in the air eco-marathon? Lenny Kravitz (who, unlike
>>Gordon appears to have been making second trips to the buffet table)
>>telling
>>his Rio crowd to sing louder to 'Let Love Rule' when most of them probably
>>don't know what the hell he's saying. Even Kelly Clarkson, a minor talent
>>to be sure but one would assume to be a decent performer, stunk the joint
>>up. Did I miss the good parts?
>>
>>Made me feel a lot better about the Monkies. At least we have some energy
>>and can sing in tune on stage.
>>
>>TCB
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| Re: Rock'n'Roll isn't dead, it's just very, very, very old [message #87929 is a reply to message #87926] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 00:56 |
Jamie K
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Hey, Mr. Negativity. Look here:
"Willie Nelson, Neil Young and John Mellencamp organized the first Farm
Aid concert in 1985 to raise awareness about the loss of family farms
and to raise funds to keep farm families on their land. Dave Matthews
joined the Farm Aid Board of Directors in 2001. Farm Aid has raised more
than $30 million to promote a strong and resilient family farm system of
agriculture. Farm Aid is a nonprofit organization whose mission is to
keep family farmers on their land."
Read about the $735,909 in 2006 grants here:
http://www.farmaid.org/site/c.qlI5IhNVJsE/b.2723621/k.9C20/G rant_Program.htm
Does any of that help the farmers? Judge for yourself.
You might be right about the US festival, though. But rock concerts to
raise awareness, build community and raise money can actually work.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Neil wrote:
> None of these concerts really do anything... did the "Us
> Festival" bring us all together? Did "Farm Aid" really help the
> farmers? Did the whole "Feed the World" thing really help
> alleviate famine & starvation?
>
> Pffft... why bother - it's just a bunch of over-rich egotists
> trying to assuage their guilt for having something while other
> people are suffering... nothing ever really happens as a result.
>
> Neil
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| Re: Rock'n'Roll isn't dead, it's just very, very, very old [message #87934 is a reply to message #87929] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 07:29 |
Neil
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Hey. Mr. "I'll believe any press release someone of the same
mindset as me wants to isuue" :)
They've raised $30 Million & last year they granted-out $700k?
Typical "non-profit" org.
Neil
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
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>Hey, Mr. Negativity. Look here:
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>"Willie Nelson, Neil Young and John Mellencamp organized the first Farm
>Aid concert in 1985 to raise awareness about the loss of family farms
>and to raise funds to keep farm families on their land. Dave Matthews
>joined the Farm Aid Board of Directors in 2001. Farm Aid has raised more
>than $30 million to promote a strong and resilient family farm system of
>agriculture. Farm Aid is a nonprofit organization whose mission is to
>keep family farmers on their land."
>
>Read about the $735,909 in 2006 grants here:
>
> http://www.farmaid.org/site/c.qlI5IhNVJsE/b.2723621/k.9C20/G rant_Program.htm
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>Does any of that help the farmers? Judge for yourself.
>
>You might be right about the US festival, though. But rock concerts to
>raise awareness, build community and raise money can actually work.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
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>Neil wrote:
>> None of these concerts really do anything... did the "Us
>> Festival" bring us all together? Did "Farm Aid" really help the
>> farmers? Did the whole "Feed the World" thing really help
>> alleviate famine & starvation?
>>
>> Pffft... why bother - it's just a bunch of over-rich egotists
>> trying to assuage their guilt for having something while other
>> people are suffering... nothing ever really happens as a result.
>>
>> Neil
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| Re: Rock'n'Roll isn't dead, it's just very, very, very old [message #87938 is a reply to message #87934] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 07:41 |
DJ
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administrative expenses dude....... we've got to keep the "organizaion" paid
year 'round so that they will be around to do another one............
geez...........what a grouch......
(hehehe.....I wonder if they have incorporated)
;o)
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4694e94e$1@linux...
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> Hey. Mr. "I'll believe any press release someone of the same
> mindset as me wants to isuue" :)
>
> They've raised $30 Million & last year they granted-out $700k?
>
> Typical "non-profit" org.
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> Neil
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> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
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>>Hey, Mr. Negativity. Look here:
>>
>>"Willie Nelson, Neil Young and John Mellencamp organized the first Farm
>
>>Aid concert in 1985 to raise awareness about the loss of family farms
>>and to raise funds to keep farm families on their land. Dave Matthews
>>joined the Farm Aid Board of Directors in 2001. Farm Aid has raised more
>
>>than $30 million to promote a strong and resilient family farm system of
>
>>agriculture. Farm Aid is a nonprofit organization whose mission is to
>>keep family farmers on their land."
>>
>>Read about the $735,909 in 2006 grants here:
>>
>> http://www.farmaid.org/site/c.qlI5IhNVJsE/b.2723621/k.9C20/G rant_Program.htm
>>
>>Does any of that help the farmers? Judge for yourself.
>>
>>You might be right about the US festival, though. But rock concerts to
>>raise awareness, build community and raise money can actually work.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>Neil wrote:
>>> None of these concerts really do anything... did the "Us
>>> Festival" bring us all together? Did "Farm Aid" really help the
>>> farmers? Did the whole "Feed the World" thing really help
>>> alleviate famine & starvation?
>>>
>>> Pffft... why bother - it's just a bunch of over-rich egotists
>>> trying to assuage their guilt for having something while other
>>> people are suffering... nothing ever really happens as a result.
>>>
>>> Neil
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| Re: Rock'n'Roll isn't dead, it's just very, very, very old [message #87940 is a reply to message #87934] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 08:40 |
Jamie K
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Neil wrote:
> Hey. Mr. "I'll believe any press release someone of the same
> mindset as me wants to isuue" :)
>
> They've raised $30 Million & last year they granted-out $700k?
>
> Typical "non-profit" org.
Well, now you're changing the subject Mr. Eor. :^)
You asked "Did "Farm Aid" really help the farmers?"
Looking at the list of farmer organizations who received grants from
Farm Aid last year indicates that the answer is yes.
Now, this list is not just a "press release," it's a list of recipients
and the actual amounts they received. If you think their list is a pack
of lies, then report them. It can't be legal for a non-profit to publish
a false list.
As far as the "same mindset" assumption goes, I'm not sure I would agree
with Willie Nelson on a lot of topics.
But I can appreciate that Farm Aid paid out hundreds of thousands of
dollars to farm organizations last year, that it has been doing this for
over 20 years, and at least some of that money is likely to be doing
some good. It's a lot more than I'm doing for farmers so more power to
Willie on that.
You can quibble about the amount of overhead involved with putting on
concerts vs. the amount paid out but that's where you're changing the
subject. It probably means you think you could do better. I'll bet they
would appreciate the efforts of another volunteer, give 'em a call,
maybe you can find more ways to cut expenses.
In the mean time, just looking at their grants list indicates they are
actually doing something to help farmers, and that's a positive answer
your original question. Sorry to be so positive. ;^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Neil
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> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> Hey, Mr. Negativity. Look here:
>>
>> "Willie Nelson, Neil Young and John Mellencamp organized the first Farm
>
>> Aid concert in 1985 to raise awareness about the loss of family farms
>> and to raise funds to keep farm families on their land. Dave Matthews
>> joined the Farm Aid Board of Directors in 2001. Farm Aid has raised more
>
>> than $30 million to promote a strong and resilient family farm system of
>
>> agriculture. Farm Aid is a nonprofit organization whose mission is to
>> keep family farmers on their land."
>>
>> Read about the $735,909 in 2006 grants here:
>>
>> http://www.farmaid.org/site/c.qlI5IhNVJsE/b.2723621/k.9C20/G rant_Program.htm
>>
>> Does any of that help the farmers? Judge for yourself.
>>
>> You might be right about the US festival, though. But rock concerts to
>> raise awareness, build community and raise money can actually work.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Neil wrote:
>>> None of these concerts really do anything... did the "Us
>>> Festival" bring us all together? Did "Farm Aid" really help the
>>> farmers? Did the whole "Feed the World" thing really help
>>> alleviate famine & starvation?
>>>
>>> Pffft... why bother - it's just a bunch of over-rich egotists
>>> trying to assuage their guilt for having something while other
>>> people are suffering... nothing ever really happens as a result.
>>>
>>> Neil
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