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| Re: Tascam DM4800? [message #102181 is a reply to message #102168] |
Sun, 18 January 2009 14:54   |
Paul Artola
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TC -
I have the Tascam and Motu combination. They are the front end to a
Reaper DAW here. I am very happy with the board, though I have not
really used it too much over the past year since I have bee doing more
performing than recording. However, it has many nice features,
especially the channel strip and lots of flexible routing.
I still have to use my mouse and keyboard with Reaper a fair bit, but
one could program up lots of keyboard shortcuts to simplify things.
I have not interfaced it with Paris at all, though my plan was to keep
Paris as my mixdown recorder. That may still happen, but I have been
otherwise occupied.
BTW, the Tascam looks mucho cool in my new Argosy desk designed
specifically for it!
- Paul Artola
Ellicott City, Maryland
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:03:31 -0800, TC
<tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote:
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>I'm on the verge of purchasing one of these digital consoles, along with
>a Motu 2408 MKIII, to interface both with Paris, PT and Logic. It would
>solve a few issues for me and get me away from using a mouse (I've been
>having major problems with severe pain in both wrists for the last month).
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>Does anyone have experience with the DM4800? I'd love to get opinions.
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>http://www.tascam.com/products/dm-4800.html
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>Cheers,
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>TC
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| Re: Tascam DM4800? [message #102182 is a reply to message #102181] |
Sun, 18 January 2009 16:20 |
TC
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Hi Paul,
Thanks very much for the feedback.
I'm pulling my digidesign 192 digital interfaces out of the equation, as
with my current setup I'm not able to hook up 1 of my lynx aurora 16's
if I use the digi interfaces, and I want the extra ad/da conversion for
outboard.
The DM4800 routing seems flexible, along with the 4 expansion slots,
which I would need to fill with AES cards. I've got to interface with
Paris (adat) and the auroras (AES/EBU), so that's appealing to me. TDIF
is a bit of a pita format for me, since I have nothing that uses it,
which is where the motu would come in to convert those 3 onboard tdif
ports to 24x adat, in addition to the onboard adat port.
I'm torn between going this route, or getting the Euphonix Artist
controllers and some sort of digital conversion box. I think the
euphonix would be healthier for my wrists, but then I still need some
way to get from 32 channels of AES to 32 channels of adat. Maybe a
couple of RME boxes of some sort..
The Tascam would have all the routing, as well as HUI mode, but the
Euphonix would make a better controller with PT and Logic.
I'm getting a headache from pondering all of this.
Cheers,
TC
Paul Artola wrote:
> TC -
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> I have the Tascam and Motu combination. They are the front end to a
> Reaper DAW here. I am very happy with the board, though I have not
> really used it too much over the past year since I have bee doing more
> performing than recording. However, it has many nice features,
> especially the channel strip and lots of flexible routing.
>
> I still have to use my mouse and keyboard with Reaper a fair bit, but
> one could program up lots of keyboard shortcuts to simplify things.
>
> I have not interfaced it with Paris at all, though my plan was to keep
> Paris as my mixdown recorder. That may still happen, but I have been
> otherwise occupied.
>
> BTW, the Tascam looks mucho cool in my new Argosy desk designed
> specifically for it!
>
> - Paul Artola
> Ellicott City, Maryland
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> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:03:31 -0800, TC
> <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote:
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>> I'm on the verge of purchasing one of these digital consoles, along with
>> a Motu 2408 MKIII, to interface both with Paris, PT and Logic. It would
>> solve a few issues for me and get me away from using a mouse (I've been
>> having major problems with severe pain in both wrists for the last month).
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>> Does anyone have experience with the DM4800? I'd love to get opinions.
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>> http://www.tascam.com/products/dm-4800.html
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>> Cheers,
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>> TC
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| Re: Tascam DM4800? [message #102183 is a reply to message #102182] |
Sun, 18 January 2009 18:41 |
excelav
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I hate to be the barer of bad news. FYI the LCD screens go bad on the Tascam
units. Apparently the screen life is greatly shortened by leaving the unit
on 24-7, so turn off the mixer when not in use. The ribbon cable on the
side of the LCD is glued in to place and there is pressure on the ribbon
and the tiny connectors. Over time heat dries the glue and rubber, the connector
becomes separated resulting in lines a crossed the screen. Some people have
repaired the screens themselves, but it's no easy fix. Tascam has replacement
screens for $168.00 plus shipping. Replacement is not too bad and there
are instructions posted with pictures on the Tascamforum.com under DM-24.
If you get the lines in the wrong spot, you cant see things like EQ settings.
I bought a Tascam DM-24 about a year ago, it has some lines in it, I was
going to replace the screen, but I never got around to it. I have a lot
going on, I need to down size and I've just got too much stuff, so it's up
for sale on the Paris FS group.
If I had the space and a legitimate reason, I would keep the DM-24 or get
a DM-3200 and the FW card. For now I'm keeping my Panasonic RAMSA DA-7 MKII
digital mixer.
TC <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote:
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>Hi Paul,
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<snip>
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| Re: Tascam DM4800? [message #102185 is a reply to message #102184] |
Sun, 18 January 2009 17:57 |
TC
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Hi Nappy,
No, Lynx and Apogee are the exceptions.
I've got LTHD cards in the auroras, so Pro Tools sees each Aurora as 2
Digi 192's, with the same delay comp settings, etc. I've got an HD2
setup, so I can only use the 2 192 digital interfaces off of 1 card, and
1 aurora 16 on the other card (in 32 channel mode) - each PT card having
32 channels max i/o.
If I use both aurora's together in 16ch mode looped off one card, PT
doesn't register the delay comp settings correctly, so it's best to only
use one aurora 16 per card.
The only reason I have the digi interfaces is for Paris adat, so I'm
trying to find an alternative so I can use the 32 channels of AES/EBU
from the auroras instead, somehow converting them to adat.
Cheers,
TC
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| Re: Tascam DM4800? [message #102187 is a reply to message #102186] |
Sun, 18 January 2009 21:49 |
excelav
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I believe it's the same design. The LCD screen issue is a well known issue
with Tascam DM-24s, a couple of people are saying that they are now having
issues with their DM-3200 and 4800 screens. I think the the bad 4800 was
a defective unit shortly out of the box. They admit that they had their mixers
powered up indefinitely or for long periods of time. It sounds like they
are all the same bad design. The DM-24 has a blue screen and I believe the
DM-3200/4800 screen is yellow. I'm told, Tascam's warranty is 9 months.
Keep in mind that the DM-24 is now a vintage product: ) Something eventually
has to go and I guess it's the LCD first.
I still think the DM-3200 and 4800 are great products and well worth the
money. Just keep in mind that you want to power down when your done using
the mixer to extend the life of the screen. If you have a problem, at most
your out around $172.00, not that big of a deal in the over all scheme of
things IMO.
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| Re: Tascam DM4800? [message #102192 is a reply to message #102187] |
Sun, 18 January 2009 21:11 |
Aaron Allen
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In this day and age of plasma/LED/LCD screens, that's just pathetic on
Tascam's part to sell you a non discounted part with a high failure rate.
How many of us would put up with that on a computer screen from Dell or
Apple?
AA
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| Re: Tascam DM4800? [message #102193 is a reply to message #102189] |
Sun, 18 January 2009 21:12 |
TC
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That's what I'm leaning towards at this point, now that I've been
watching various euphonix demos on Youtube etc. It's just amazing what
that thing can do. I can see it really speeding up the entire workflow.
I like that the DM-4800 can also act as a controller at the click of a
button, but as you say, the Eucon protocol will integrate much better
with Logic, and probably with Pro Tools, even thought I think it's still
using a form of the Hui protocol for that.
The DM series is nice for routing options, but it's also true that I
would be bypassing the preamps in it, so I would really be paying for
things I'm not using. The built in tdif i/o is also a pain. If it was
AES/EBU I would probably jump on it, but it's one more thing to work around.
My only concern now is finding some way of getting from 32 channels of
AES to adat. There seem to be very few options, most of them 8 channels,
and a high price point.. and most of them are no longer made.
Cheers,
TC
Ted Gerber wrote:
> Surely you can get the conversion through less expensive means.
> If you have the preamps you need already, why pay for them in
> the 4800? Plus the Euphonix would integrate better with Logic for sure.
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> It should cost less overall, and take up less space to go the
> Euphonix/seperate box converter route... No?
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> Ted
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> TC <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote:
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>> I'm torn between going this route, or getting the Euphonix Artist
>> controllers and some sort of digital conversion box. I think the
>> euphonix would be healthier for my wrists, but then I still need some
>> way to get from 32 channels of AES to 32 channels of adat. Maybe a
>> couple of RME boxes of some sort..
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| Re: Tascam DM4800? [message #102194 is a reply to message #102192] |
Sun, 18 January 2009 23:07 |
excelav
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Tascam has always had an attitude about their warranty. Back in the old days
their warranty was only 90 days. When I questioned a dealer, they said that
Tascam products were so good that they didn't need a longer warranty. I
use to think the law was you had to warranty your products for one year,
apparently not.
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| Re: Tascam DM4800? [message #102203 is a reply to message #102182] |
Mon, 19 January 2009 11:51 |
Rich Lamanna
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TC, you're not using ATAT's right, but bringing audio into Paris via
lightpipe through the Paris ADAT module and your Lynx Aurora 16 right? If
I'm confused please excuse me. Maybe you can explain to me what you're doing
here. There's a reason for these questions which may not seem apparent at
the moment :-)
Thanks,
Rich
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| Re: Tascam DM4800? [message #102205 is a reply to message #102203] |
Mon, 19 January 2009 12:22 |
TC
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Hi Rich,
No problem. Well, it's a bit of a crazy setup here.
Basically, I alternate between PT HD and Logic native. I like both, but
I prefer logic for composing (although PT8 is impressing me also). I've
also been recently getting more gigs doing music and sound editing for
film and tv, which I prefer PT for.
So I've got projects from both platforms. The idea is to be able to move
seamlessly back and forth, while at the same time being able to send
audio tracks or stems to Paris for mixdown from either PT HD or Logic
native, especially for music work.
Now the other option that I like to keep open is summing analog to the
SH Equinox. So I've got 24 channels of Aurora D/A going to the Equinox
via dsubs. Ideally I would have all 32, but I need to keep 8 channels
open for outboard comps and eqs.
For the native logic system, currently I've only got 16 channels
happening via a Lynx AES16e pcie card, going to one Aurora via AES/EBU.
For me to use a full 64 channels, I'd need another card, but I'm now out
of pcie slots with two HD cards and the AES16e (thanks apple for being
so generous with those 3 pcie slots, really handy ;-).
What I've had going on is one lynx, and two digi 192 digitals, the 192's
were strictly for lightpipe to paris. This limits my analog i/o (keeps
one aurora out of use) and does nothing for summing logic to paris. The
192's are now out of the picture.
The Tascam DM4800 would be good for routing in this scenerio, but I
would need to ditch the AES16e and move to something like a motu 2408
mkIII with the PCIE card. Even with 4 aes cards installed, I would still
come up short. The other option would be the firewire card for the
DM4800, which would allow direct firewire connection for logic native. I
would then be down to 3 slots, which could fill with AES cards. The motu
2408 MKIII could then be used standalone (I think) to go from the DM
4800 TDIF ports x3 to adat x3, plus the additional adat port on the
DM4800 would give 32 channels of lightpipe to paris.
On the pro tools side, then that would only give me 24 channels summed
to Paris (24 AES, routed to DM4800 TDIF out x3 to 2408MKIII x3 adat ->
Paris).
Another option is the RME ADI-192 DD or whatever it is, which is I think
16 channels of digital format conversion. Looks good, but over $1500.. I
think I would still need two of them..
This is giving me a headache.. I don't think I even understand what I
just wrote... ;-)
If you have any suggestions on how to do all this, I'd love to hear it.
Cheers,
TC
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| Re: Tascam DM4800? [message #102230 is a reply to message #102168] |
Tue, 20 January 2009 19:54 |
David L
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No experience with the DM4800, but plenty with the DM24. My LCD screen
developed lines. I bought a replacement from TASCAM and with a little help
from instructions posted on the web, installed it myself. The board still
works well, and the cautions about leaving it on 24/7 definitely apply.
I got the Firewire 24/IO expansion and have been disappointed with the
performance of the driver. That's been my big beef. It's flaky and I can't
get the latency down far enough to my liking. Other than that, it's a
flexible and solid board - very capable of being routed however you would
like. Not laid out as clearly, though, as a Yamaha board, IMO.
I've got a ton of stuff routed through it - my PARIS rig, an RME 9652, a
Mackie submixer, my keyboards, and my old computer with a Lynx One card are
all patched in. I was thinking about getting the Steinberg MR816 for the
no-latency feature but I haven't figured out how I would integrate that into
my setup.
The Mackie control feature is very handy when it comes to mixdown and just
plain hands on level control.
David
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| Re: Tascam DM4800? [message #102232 is a reply to message #102230] |
Wed, 21 January 2009 09:40 |
excelav
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Hey Dave! Thanks for the post about the DM-24. I've never used mine, it's
up on the FS group right now, I'm still debating whether or not to sell it.
Are you running it with a PC or a Mac? Do you know how much latency there
is? I hear once you understand it, the routing flexibility is incredible.
I have not heard about issues with the new FW card for the DM-3200/4800,
have you?
"David L" <david@revealaudio.com> wrote:
>No experience with the DM4800, but plenty with the DM24. My LCD screen
>developed lines. I bought a replacement from TASCAM and with a little help
>from instructions posted on the web, installed it myself. The board still
>works well, and the cautions about leaving it on 24/7 definitely apply.
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>I got the Firewire 24/IO expansion and have been disappointed with the
>performance of the driver. That's been my big beef. It's flaky and I can't
>get the latency down far enough to my liking. Other than that, it's a
>flexible and solid board - very capable of being routed however you would
>like. Not laid out as clearly, though, as a Yamaha board, IMO.
>
>I've got a ton of stuff routed through it - my PARIS rig, an RME 9652, a
>Mackie submixer, my keyboards, and my old computer with a Lynx One card
are
>all patched in. I was thinking about getting the Steinberg MR816 for the
>no-latency feature but I haven't figured out how I would integrate that
into
>my setup.
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>The Mackie control feature is very handy when it comes to mixdown and just
>plain hands on level control.
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>David
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| Re: Tascam DM4800? [message #102286 is a reply to message #102232] |
Sat, 24 January 2009 14:11 |
David L
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I'm running mine on a PC. Best latency I could get with my Opteron was
about 3ms on the FW stream and another 6ms from the ASIO driver in Cubase.
Safest bet was to keep things around 12ms. That's one of the reasons I went
with the RME card (thanks DJ). I get better latency results and the
TotalMix mixer works great with the Cubase control room. Still, like I say,
the DM24 is one very useful board. If you're running TDIF, it's great.
Routing capabilities are great. Onboard effects are a big plus.
As far as firewire issues go, I've had flaky experience with mine. Maybe
they've sorted things out for the later models. Hope so. I still use the
firewire sometimes because of the direct channel send capability when I'm
tracking. In the beginning I thought it might be a nice experience to mix on
the DM24 - send channels or stems out from Cubase and do the mixing on the
hardware side. The saving and recall of the mix information was too
cumbersome for me, so I abandoned it right away.
That was the great thing about having 16 faders on the C16 - it just felt
more like a real board. Plus being able to access pan, EQ, and sends from
the board - well it was hard to give it up. I'm so glad Mike wrote the
multicore drivers. I've got PARIS back up on my dual processor rig and
after updating to SP3 it seems very stable. When I get a little more time,
I'd like to do another mixdown shootout with Cubase to see if what I
remember about the depth and glue of PARIS was actually true.
David L
On 21-Jan-2009, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Dave! Thanks for the post about the DM-24. I've never used mine,
> it's
> up on the FS group right now, I'm still debating whether or not to sell
> it.
> Are you running it with a PC or a Mac? Do you know how much latency
> there
> is? I hear once you understand it, the routing flexibility is incredible.
> I have not heard about issues with the new FW card for the DM-3200/4800,
> have you?
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Sat, 24 January 2009 23:00 |
excelav
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Thanks again Dave! Are you on the latest firmware? If not, you can down
load it from Tascam's web site.
James
"David L" <david@revealaudio.com> wrote:
>I'm running mine on a PC. Best latency I could get with my Opteron was
>about 3ms on the FW stream and another 6ms from the ASIO driver in Cubase.
>Safest bet was to keep things around 12ms. That's one of the reasons I
went
>with the RME card (thanks DJ). I get better latency results and the
>TotalMix mixer works great with the Cubase control room. Still, like I
say,
>the DM24 is one very useful board. If you're running TDIF, it's great.
>Routing capabilities are great. Onboard effects are a big plus.
>
>As far as firewire issues go, I've had flaky experience with mine. Maybe
>they've sorted things out for the later models. Hope so. I still use the
>firewire sometimes because of the direct channel send capability when I'm
>tracking. In the beginning I thought it might be a nice experience to mix
on
>the DM24 - send channels or stems out from Cubase and do the mixing on the
>hardware side. The saving and recall of the mix information was too
>cumbersome for me, so I abandoned it right away.
>
>That was the great thing about having 16 faders on the C16 - it just felt
>more like a real board. Plus being able to access pan, EQ, and sends from
>the board - well it was hard to give it up. I'm so glad Mike wrote the
>multicore drivers. I've got PARIS back up on my dual processor rig and
>after updating to SP3 it seems very stable. When I get a little more time,
>I'd like to do another mixdown shootout with Cubase to see if what I
>remember about the depth and glue of PARIS was actually true.
>
>David L
>
>
>On 21-Jan-2009, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Dave! Thanks for the post about the DM-24. I've never used mine,
>> it's
>> up on the FS group right now, I'm still debating whether or not to sell
>> it.
>> Are you running it with a PC or a Mac? Do you know how much latency
>> there
>> is? I hear once you understand it, the routing flexibility is incredible.
>> I have not heard about issues with the new FW card for the DM-3200/4800,
>> have you?
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| Re: Tascam DM4800? [message #102305 is a reply to message #102297] |
Sun, 25 January 2009 12:49 |
TC
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Thanks everyone for all the feedback and suggestions.
Although the DM4800 seems excellent for the price, I've decided on a
different solution for what I'm trying to do. The Tascam is a bit huge
for my space, and I would primarily be using it for routing.
I am at this point keeping one Digital 192, probably adding an old adat
bridge 24, and adding another Accel card for PT. I'd also like to get
the Euphonix Artist controllers, as they seem to have worked out many of
the bugs with Pro Tools, and the touchscreen with custom macros is
really enticing.
I've also decided to pull Logic from the equation for new work. This
decision came after finally getting time to dig into PT8 a bit more over
the last week, as well as working in a project in Logic 8 at the same
time. For me, it's going to be harder to want or need to keep working in
Logic native. There are still things I like better in logic (take
comping features are quicker, easier to audition takes), advanced midi
editing, hyper editor (my favorite way to program drums in Logic), but
for the most part, PT has added the features that were making me hate
trying to do any composing in it on previous versions. Routing is much
easier in PT HD (discreet mono output, inserts etc).
I also have to say that the new AIR plugins are quite nice. I use
bitcrusher in logic quite a bit, and the new Air lo-fi plug sounds as
good, with more features.
Anyway, I think this will work for my needs, and save me a few
headaches. I would still like to ditch the digi interfaces and move to
all Lynx interfaces (an additional Aurora 8 would be ideal). I would
then need to get 4 or 5 AES/EBU to ADAT format converters (Alesis AI4 or
similar) to lightpipe to Paris.
Cheers,
TC
James McCloskey wrote:
> Bill, I think your off by a K.
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>> Oops it was a DM24.
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>> There's a new digital mixer from Presonus that's around 1K I think.
>>
>> Bill L wrote:
>>> I had the DM 3200 and liked it a lot. It was adequate audio-wise and
>>> very convenient to have for all the routing and console features. You've
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>>> got other pres, right? I just ran synths and lines into it and used it
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>>> to feed the DAW via ADAT and SPDIF.
>>>
>>> TC wrote:
>>>> I'm on the verge of purchasing one of these digital consoles, along
>>>> with a Motu 2408 MKIII, to interface both with Paris, PT and Logic. It
>
>>>> would solve a few issues for me and get me away from using a mouse
>>>> (I've been having major problems with severe pain in both wrists for
>
>>>> the last month).
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have experience with the DM4800? I'd love to get opinions.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.tascam.com/products/dm-4800.html
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> TC
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Mon, 26 January 2009 15:57 |
excelav
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Hey TC! I don't know what your budget is, but maybe you should be looking
at this since your going PT.
http://www.avalive.com/Digidesign/9935-55144-05/57920/produc tDetail.php
TC <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote:
>Thanks everyone for all the feedback and suggestions.
>
>Although the DM4800 seems excellent for the price, I've decided on a
>different solution for what I'm trying to do. The Tascam is a bit huge
>for my space, and I would primarily be using it for routing.
>
>I am at this point keeping one Digital 192, probably adding an old adat
>bridge 24, and adding another Accel card for PT. I'd also like to get
>the Euphonix Artist controllers, as they seem to have worked out many of
>the bugs with Pro Tools, and the touchscreen with custom macros is
>really enticing.
>
>I've also decided to pull Logic from the equation for new work. This
>decision came after finally getting time to dig into PT8 a bit more over
>the last week, as well as working in a project in Logic 8 at the same
>time. For me, it's going to be harder to want or need to keep working in
>Logic native. There are still things I like better in logic (take
>comping features are quicker, easier to audition takes), advanced midi
>editing, hyper editor (my favorite way to program drums in Logic), but
>for the most part, PT has added the features that were making me hate
>trying to do any composing in it on previous versions. Routing is much
>easier in PT HD (discreet mono output, inserts etc).
>
>I also have to say that the new AIR plugins are quite nice. I use
>bitcrusher in logic quite a bit, and the new Air lo-fi plug sounds as
>good, with more features.
>
>Anyway, I think this will work for my needs, and save me a few
>headaches. I would still like to ditch the digi interfaces and move to
>all Lynx interfaces (an additional Aurora 8 would be ideal). I would
>then need to get 4 or 5 AES/EBU to ADAT format converters (Alesis AI4 or
>similar) to lightpipe to Paris.
>
>Cheers,
>
>TC
>
>
>
>James McCloskey wrote:
>> Bill, I think your off by a K.
>>
>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>> Oops it was a DM24.
>>>
>>> There's a new digital mixer from Presonus that's around 1K I think.
>>>
>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>> I had the DM 3200 and liked it a lot. It was adequate audio-wise and
>>>> very convenient to have for all the routing and console features. You've
>>
>>>> got other pres, right? I just ran synths and lines into it and used
it
>>
>>>> to feed the DAW via ADAT and SPDIF.
>>>>
>>>> TC wrote:
>>>>> I'm on the verge of purchasing one of these digital consoles, along
>>>>> with a Motu 2408 MKIII, to interface both with Paris, PT and Logic.
It
>>
>>>>> would solve a few issues for me and get me away from using a mouse
>>>>> (I've been having major problems with severe pain in both wrists for
>>
>>>>> the last month).
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have experience with the DM4800? I'd love to get opinions.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.tascam.com/products/dm-4800.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> TC
>>
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| Re: Tascam DM4800? [message #102319 is a reply to message #102312] |
Tue, 27 January 2009 10:25 |
TC
Messages: 327
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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Hi James,
Thanks for the info. That's a bit over my budget as far as a controller,
although I'm sure they have great integration with PT.
The Euphonix appeals to me more, since it's much less expensive, with a
smaller footprint, and the touchscreen is a really cool feature. Plus I
can also use it for Final Cut Pro and Logic (when needed).
Cheers,
TC
James McCloskey wrote:
> Hey TC! I don't know what your budget is, but maybe you should be looking
> at this since your going PT.
> http://www.avalive.com/Digidesign/9935-55144-05/57920/produc tDetail.php
>
> TC <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote:
>> Thanks everyone for all the feedback and suggestions.
>>
>> Although the DM4800 seems excellent for the price, I've decided on a
>> different solution for what I'm trying to do. The Tascam is a bit huge
>> for my space, and I would primarily be using it for routing.
>>
>> I am at this point keeping one Digital 192, probably adding an old adat
>
>> bridge 24, and adding another Accel card for PT. I'd also like to get
>> the Euphonix Artist controllers, as they seem to have worked out many of
>
>> the bugs with Pro Tools, and the touchscreen with custom macros is
>> really enticing.
>>
>> I've also decided to pull Logic from the equation for new work. This
>> decision came after finally getting time to dig into PT8 a bit more over
>
>> the last week, as well as working in a project in Logic 8 at the same
>> time. For me, it's going to be harder to want or need to keep working in
>
>> Logic native. There are still things I like better in logic (take
>> comping features are quicker, easier to audition takes), advanced midi
>> editing, hyper editor (my favorite way to program drums in Logic), but
>> for the most part, PT has added the features that were making me hate
>> trying to do any composing in it on previous versions. Routing is much
>> easier in PT HD (discreet mono output, inserts etc).
>>
>> I also have to say that the new AIR plugins are quite nice. I use
>> bitcrusher in logic quite a bit, and the new Air lo-fi plug sounds as
>> good, with more features.
>>
>> Anyway, I think this will work for my needs, and save me a few
>> headaches. I would still like to ditch the digi interfaces and move to
>
>> all Lynx interfaces (an additional Aurora 8 would be ideal). I would
>> then need to get 4 or 5 AES/EBU to ADAT format converters (Alesis AI4 or
>
>> similar) to lightpipe to Paris.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> TC
>>
>>
>>
>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>> Bill, I think your off by a K.
>>>
>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>> Oops it was a DM24.
>>>>
>>>> There's a new digital mixer from Presonus that's around 1K I think.
>>>>
>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>> I had the DM 3200 and liked it a lot. It was adequate audio-wise and
>
>>>>> very convenient to have for all the routing and console features. You've
>>>>> got other pres, right? I just ran synths and lines into it and used
> it
>>>>> to feed the DAW via ADAT and SPDIF.
>>>>>
>>>>> TC wrote:
>>>>>> I'm on the verge of purchasing one of these digital consoles, along
>
>>>>>> with a Motu 2408 MKIII, to interface both with Paris, PT and Logic.
> It
>>>>>> would solve a few issues for me and get me away from using a mouse
>
>>>>>> (I've been having major problems with severe pain in both wrists for
>>>>>> the last month).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone have experience with the DM4800? I'd love to get opinions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.tascam.com/products/dm-4800.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TC
>
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| Re: Tascam DM4800? - Euphonix Artist [message #102545 is a reply to message #102312] |
Tue, 17 February 2009 16:21 |
TC
Messages: 327
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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Just a follow up here..
I went with the Euphonix Artist series for about a week (1 mix unit and
the main control unit). I then returned them, and ended up getting a
used Control 24 (in really good shape) instead. It must be a later rev
version, as there is no history of PS issues etc.
The Euphonix MC Mix unit had one intermittent fader. Worked about 40% of
the time. The fader caps felt really floppy and cheap, so I wasn't real
confident in the build quality and how it would hold up over time,
considering these were brand new units.
I got the used Control 24 for hundreds less than the Euphonix, so I
think I made out pretty well. It interfaces better with PT, has 24
sturdy faders, decent pots, and lots of shortcut buttons etc. I liked
the Euphonix idea, but I'm not sure how much I would have used the
touchscreen, and it just felt really delicate to me.
The pres on the Control 24 will never be hooked up (focusrite platinum -
yuck), but I only bought it as a control surface, so that's no problem.
If I was going to be using Logic more for mixing, I would probably have
gone with the Tascam, those still seem really sweet and a good value..
Cheers,
TC
James McCloskey wrote:
> Hey TC! I don't know what your budget is, but maybe you should be looking
> at this since your going PT.
> http://www.avalive.com/Digidesign/9935-55144-05/57920/produc tDetail.php
>
> TC <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote:
>> Thanks everyone for all the feedback and suggestions.
>>
>> Although the DM4800 seems excellent for the price, I've decided on a
>> different solution for what I'm trying to do. The Tascam is a bit huge
>> for my space, and I would primarily be using it for routing.
>>
>> I am at this point keeping one Digital 192, probably adding an old adat
>
>> bridge 24, and adding another Accel card for PT. I'd also like to get
>> the Euphonix Artist controllers, as they seem to have worked out many of
>
>> the bugs with Pro Tools, and the touchscreen with custom macros is
>> really enticing.
>>
>> I've also decided to pull Logic from the equation for new work. This
>> decision came after finally getting time to dig into PT8 a bit more over
>
>> the last week, as well as working in a project in Logic 8 at the same
>> time. For me, it's going to be harder to want or need to keep working in
>
>> Logic native. There are still things I like better in logic (take
>> comping features are quicker, easier to audition takes), advanced midi
>> editing, hyper editor (my favorite way to program drums in Logic), but
>> for the most part, PT has added the features that were making me hate
>> trying to do any composing in it on previous versions. Routing is much
>> easier in PT HD (discreet mono output, inserts etc).
>>
>> I also have to say that the new AIR plugins are quite nice. I use
>> bitcrusher in logic quite a bit, and the new Air lo-fi plug sounds as
>> good, with more features.
>>
>> Anyway, I think this will work for my needs, and save me a few
>> headaches. I would still like to ditch the digi interfaces and move to
>
>> all Lynx interfaces (an additional Aurora 8 would be ideal). I would
>> then need to get 4 or 5 AES/EBU to ADAT format converters (Alesis AI4 or
>
>> similar) to lightpipe to Paris.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> TC
>>
>>
>>
>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>> Bill, I think your off by a K.
>>>
>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>> Oops it was a DM24.
>>>>
>>>> There's a new digital mixer from Presonus that's around 1K I think.
>>>>
>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>> I had the DM 3200 and liked it a lot. It was adequate audio-wise and
>
>>>>> very convenient to have for all the routing and console features. You've
>>>>> got other pres, right? I just ran synths and lines into it and used
> it
>>>>> to feed the DAW via ADAT and SPDIF.
>>>>>
>>>>> TC wrote:
>>>>>> I'm on the verge of purchasing one of these digital consoles, along
>
>>>>>> with a Motu 2408 MKIII, to interface both with Paris, PT and Logic.
> It
>>>>>> would solve a few issues for me and get me away from using a mouse
>
>>>>>> (I've been having major problems with severe pain in both wrists for
>>>>>> the last month).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone have experience with the DM4800? I'd love to get opinions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.tascam.com/products/dm-4800.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TC
>
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| Re: Tascam DM4800? - Euphonix Artist [message #102547 is a reply to message #102545] |
Tue, 17 February 2009 16:43 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Tascam, yuk. Their product is fine as long as it's fine. Once you need
support though, brother watch out.
They have bar none the worst support I have ever encountered.
Glad you didn't go that direction.
AA
"TC" <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote in message
news:499b5980@linux...
> Just a follow up here..
>
> I went with the Euphonix Artist series for about a week (1 mix unit and
> the main control unit). I then returned them, and ended up getting a used
> Control 24 (in really good shape) instead. It must be a later rev version,
> as there is no history of PS issues etc.
>
> The Euphonix MC Mix unit had one intermittent fader. Worked about 40% of
> the time. The fader caps felt really floppy and cheap, so I wasn't real
> confident in the build quality and how it would hold up over time,
> considering these were brand new units.
>
> I got the used Control 24 for hundreds less than the Euphonix, so I think
> I made out pretty well. It interfaces better with PT, has 24 sturdy
> faders, decent pots, and lots of shortcut buttons etc. I liked the
> Euphonix idea, but I'm not sure how much I would have used the
> touchscreen, and it just felt really delicate to me.
>
> The pres on the Control 24 will never be hooked up (focusrite platinum -
> yuck), but I only bought it as a control surface, so that's no problem.
>
> If I was going to be using Logic more for mixing, I would probably have
> gone with the Tascam, those still seem really sweet and a good value..
>
> Cheers,
>
> TC
>
>
>
>
> James McCloskey wrote:
>> Hey TC! I don't know what your budget is, but maybe you should be
>> looking
>> at this since your going PT.
>> http://www.avalive.com/Digidesign/9935-55144-05/57920/produc tDetail.php
>>
>> TC <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote:
>>> Thanks everyone for all the feedback and suggestions.
>>>
>>> Although the DM4800 seems excellent for the price, I've decided on a
>>> different solution for what I'm trying to do. The Tascam is a bit huge
>>> for my space, and I would primarily be using it for routing.
>>>
>>> I am at this point keeping one Digital 192, probably adding an old adat
>>
>>> bridge 24, and adding another Accel card for PT. I'd also like to get
>>> the Euphonix Artist controllers, as they seem to have worked out many of
>>
>>> the bugs with Pro Tools, and the touchscreen with custom macros is
>>> really enticing.
>>>
>>> I've also decided to pull Logic from the equation for new work. This
>>> decision came after finally getting time to dig into PT8 a bit more over
>>
>>> the last week, as well as working in a project in Logic 8 at the same
>>> time. For me, it's going to be harder to want or need to keep working in
>>
>>> Logic native. There are still things I like better in logic (take
>>> comping features are quicker, easier to audition takes), advanced midi
>>> editing, hyper editor (my favorite way to program drums in Logic), but
>>> for the most part, PT has added the features that were making me hate
>>> trying to do any composing in it on previous versions. Routing is much
>>> easier in PT HD (discreet mono output, inserts etc).
>>>
>>> I also have to say that the new AIR plugins are quite nice. I use
>>> bitcrusher in logic quite a bit, and the new Air lo-fi plug sounds as
>>> good, with more features.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I think this will work for my needs, and save me a few
>>> headaches. I would still like to ditch the digi interfaces and move to
>>
>>> all Lynx interfaces (an additional Aurora 8 would be ideal). I would
>>> then need to get 4 or 5 AES/EBU to ADAT format converters (Alesis AI4 or
>>
>>> similar) to lightpipe to Paris.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> TC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>> Bill, I think your off by a K.
>>>>
>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>> Oops it was a DM24.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a new digital mixer from Presonus that's around 1K I think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>> I had the DM 3200 and liked it a lot. It was adequate audio-wise and
>>
>>>>>> very convenient to have for all the routing and console features.
>>>>>> You've
>>>>>> got other pres, right? I just ran synths and lines into it and used
>> it
>>>>>> to feed the DAW via ADAT and SPDIF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TC wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm on the verge of purchasing one of these digital consoles, along
>>
>>>>>>> with a Motu 2408 MKIII, to interface both with Paris, PT and Logic.
>> It
>>>>>>> would solve a few issues for me and get me away from using a mouse
>>
>>>>>>> (I've been having major problems with severe pain in both wrists for
>>>>>>> the last month).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone have experience with the DM4800? I'd love to get
>>>>>>> opinions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.tascam.com/products/dm-4800.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TC
>>
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| Re: Tascam DM4800? - Euphonix Artist [message #102552 is a reply to message #102545] |
Tue, 17 February 2009 21:23 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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Congrats on the new set up. Putting money back in your pocket is always a
good thing. I'm sure it's not worth the down time, but I wonder if Black
Lion Audio would mod the pres on the control 24?
TC <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote:
>Just a follow up here..
>
>I went with the Euphonix Artist series for about a week (1 mix unit and
>the main control unit). I then returned them, and ended up getting a
>used Control 24 (in really good shape) instead. It must be a later rev
>version, as there is no history of PS issues etc.
>
>The Euphonix MC Mix unit had one intermittent fader. Worked about 40% of
>the time. The fader caps felt really floppy and cheap, so I wasn't real
>confident in the build quality and how it would hold up over time,
>considering these were brand new units.
>
>I got the used Control 24 for hundreds less than the Euphonix, so I
>think I made out pretty well. It interfaces better with PT, has 24
>sturdy faders, decent pots, and lots of shortcut buttons etc. I liked
>the Euphonix idea, but I'm not sure how much I would have used the
>touchscreen, and it just felt really delicate to me.
>
>The pres on the Control 24 will never be hooked up (focusrite platinum -
>yuck), but I only bought it as a control surface, so that's no problem.
>
>If I was going to be using Logic more for mixing, I would probably have
>gone with the Tascam, those still seem really sweet and a good value..
>
>Cheers,
>
>TC
>
>
>
>
>James McCloskey wrote:
>> Hey TC! I don't know what your budget is, but maybe you should be looking
>> at this since your going PT.
>> http://www.avalive.com/Digidesign/9935-55144-05/57920/produc tDetail.php
>>
>> TC <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote:
>>> Thanks everyone for all the feedback and suggestions.
>>>
>>> Although the DM4800 seems excellent for the price, I've decided on a
>>> different solution for what I'm trying to do. The Tascam is a bit huge
>>> for my space, and I would primarily be using it for routing.
>>>
>>> I am at this point keeping one Digital 192, probably adding an old adat
>>
>>> bridge 24, and adding another Accel card for PT. I'd also like to get
>>> the Euphonix Artist controllers, as they seem to have worked out many
of
>>
>>> the bugs with Pro Tools, and the touchscreen with custom macros is
>>> really enticing.
>>>
>>> I've also decided to pull Logic from the equation for new work. This
>>> decision came after finally getting time to dig into PT8 a bit more over
>>
>>> the last week, as well as working in a project in Logic 8 at the same
>>> time. For me, it's going to be harder to want or need to keep working
in
>>
>>> Logic native. There are still things I like better in logic (take
>>> comping features are quicker, easier to audition takes), advanced midi
>>> editing, hyper editor (my favorite way to program drums in Logic), but
>>> for the most part, PT has added the features that were making me hate
>>> trying to do any composing in it on previous versions. Routing is much
>>> easier in PT HD (discreet mono output, inserts etc).
>>>
>>> I also have to say that the new AIR plugins are quite nice. I use
>>> bitcrusher in logic quite a bit, and the new Air lo-fi plug sounds as
>>> good, with more features.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I think this will work for my needs, and save me a few
>>> headaches. I would still like to ditch the digi interfaces and move
to
>>
>>> all Lynx interfaces (an additional Aurora 8 would be ideal). I would
>>> then need to get 4 or 5 AES/EBU to ADAT format converters (Alesis AI4
or
>>
>>> similar) to lightpipe to Paris.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> TC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>> Bill, I think your off by a K.
>>>>
>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>> Oops it was a DM24.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a new digital mixer from Presonus that's around 1K I think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>> I had the DM 3200 and liked it a lot. It was adequate audio-wise and
>>
>>>>>> very convenient to have for all the routing and console features.
You've
>>>>>> got other pres, right? I just ran synths and lines into it and used
>> it
>>>>>> to feed the DAW via ADAT and SPDIF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TC wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm on the verge of purchasing one of these digital consoles, along
>>
>>>>>>> with a Motu 2408 MKIII, to interface both with Paris, PT and Logic.
>> It
>>>>>>> would solve a few issues for me and get me away from using a mouse
>>
>>>>>>> (I've been having major problems with severe pain in both wrists
for
>>>>>>> the last month).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone have experience with the DM4800? I'd love to get opinions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.tascam.com/products/dm-4800.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TC
>>
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| Re: Tascam DM4800? - Euphonix Artist [message #102555 is a reply to message #102545] |
Wed, 18 February 2009 05:30 |
Ted Gerber
Messages: 705
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You know, I was pretty excited about the Euphonix 'cause it
does exactly what I want without paying for what I don't need: control a
DAW without paying for pres, monitors etc.
I tried it out though, and felt edgy with it, like it was
cheap. Maybe if it were located into a desk my perception
would change, but I'm not surprised at all by your experience/
decision.
Ted
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| Re: Tascam DM4800? - Euphonix Artist [message #102557 is a reply to message #102555] |
Wed, 18 February 2009 09:13 |
TC
Messages: 327
Registered: September 2005
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Hi Ted,
Yeah, it is really a great idea and a step forward with the Eucon
protocol, but I honestly felt like I would break it. I was surprised
when I saw the Control 24, as I expected it to feel cheap, but it
doesn't. The scrub wheel is solid and metal like the control 16, and the
faders feel solid. I'm not scared to use it..
Now all I need is a 24 fader motorized control surface for Paris, and
I'm all set!
Cheers,
TC
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| Re: Tascam DM4800? - Euphonix Artist [message #102558 is a reply to message #102552] |
Wed, 18 February 2009 09:18 |
TC
Messages: 327
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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Hi James,
From what I understand, the Control 24 is all surface mount stuff, and
almost impossible (or too expensive) to upgrade the pres in that way.
That would be cool though, but I think they build everything off one
board unfortunately to keep costs down. That being said, maybe BL would
do it, but I bet it wouldn't be cheap.
I've got some good pres and a good monitoring section, so it's not that
big of a deal.
Cheers,
TC
James McCloskey wrote:
> Congrats on the new set up. Putting money back in your pocket is always a
> good thing. I'm sure it's not worth the down time, but I wonder if Black
> Lion Audio would mod the pres on the control 24?
>
>
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| Re: Tascam DM4800? - Euphonix Artist [message #102559 is a reply to message #102557] |
Wed, 18 February 2009 14:23 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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TC <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote:
>
>Hi Ted,
>
>Yeah, it is really a great idea and a step forward with the Eucon
>protocol, but I honestly felt like I would break it. I was surprised
>when I saw the Control 24, as I expected it to feel cheap, but it
>doesn't. The scrub wheel is solid and metal like the control 16, and the
>faders feel solid. I'm not scared to use it..
>
>Now all I need is a 24 fader motorized control surface for Paris, and
>I'm all set!
>
>Cheers,
>
>TC
Talk to Doug W. about that one, he's working on something.
>
>
>Ted Gerber wrote:
>> You know, I was pretty excited about the Euphonix 'cause it
>> does exactly what I want without paying for what I don't need: control
a
>> DAW without paying for pres, monitors etc.
>>
>> I tried it out though, and felt edgy with it, like it was
>> cheap. Maybe if it were located into a desk my perception
>> would change, but I'm not surprised at all by your experience/
>> decision.
>>
>> Ted
>>
>> TC <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote:
>>> Just a follow up here..
>>>
>>> I went with the Euphonix Artist series for about a week (1 mix unit and
>>
>>> the main control unit). I then returned them, and ended up getting a
>>> used Control 24 (in really good shape) instead. It must be a later rev
>>> version, as there is no history of PS issues etc.
>>>
>>> The Euphonix MC Mix unit had one intermittent fader. Worked about 40%
of
>>
>>> the time. The fader caps felt really floppy and cheap, so I wasn't real
>>
>>> confident in the build quality and how it would hold up over time,
>>> considering these were brand new units.
>>>
>>> I got the used Control 24 for hundreds less than the Euphonix, so I
>>> think I made out pretty well. It interfaces better with PT, has 24
>>> sturdy faders, decent pots, and lots of shortcut buttons etc. I liked
>>> the Euphonix idea, but I'm not sure how much I would have used the
>>> touchscreen, and it just felt really delicate to me.
>>>
>>> The pres on the Control 24 will never be hooked up (focusrite platinum
-
>>
>>> yuck), but I only bought it as a control surface, so that's no problem.
>>>
>>> If I was going to be using Logic more for mixing, I would probably have
>>
>>> gone with the Tascam, those still seem really sweet and a good value..
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> TC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>> Hey TC! I don't know what your budget is, but maybe you should be looking
>>>> at this since your going PT.
>>>> http://www.avalive.com/Digidesign/9935-55144-05/57920/produc tDetail.php
>>>>
>>>> TC <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote:
>>>>> Thanks everyone for all the feedback and suggestions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although the DM4800 seems excellent for the price, I've decided on
a
>>
>>>>> different solution for what I'm trying to do. The Tascam is a bit huge
>>
>>>>> for my space, and I would primarily be using it for routing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am at this point keeping one Digital 192, probably adding an old
adat
>>>>> bridge 24, and adding another Accel card for PT. I'd also like to get
>>
>>>>> the Euphonix Artist controllers, as they seem to have worked out many
>> of
>>>>> the bugs with Pro Tools, and the touchscreen with custom macros is
>>>>> really enticing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've also decided to pull Logic from the equation for new work. This
>>
>>>>> decision came after finally getting time to dig into PT8 a bit more
over
>>>>> the last week, as well as working in a project in Logic 8 at the same
>>
>>>>> time. For me, it's going to be harder to want or need to keep working
>> in
>>>>> Logic native. There are still things I like better in logic (take
>>>>> comping features are quicker, easier to audition takes), advanced midi
>>
>>>>> editing, hyper editor (my favorite way to program drums in Logic),
but
>>
>>>>> for the most part, PT has added the features that were making me hate
>>
>>>>> trying to do any composing in it on previous versions. Routing is much
>>
>>>>> easier in PT HD (discreet mono output, inserts etc).
>>>>>
>>>>> I also have to say that the new AIR plugins are quite nice. I use
>>>>> bitcrusher in logic quite a bit, and the new Air lo-fi plug sounds
as
>>
>>>>> good, with more features.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I think this will work for my needs, and save me a few
>>>>> headaches. I would still like to ditch the digi interfaces and move
>> to
>>>>> all Lynx interfaces (an additional Aurora 8 would be ideal). I would
>>
>>>>> then need to get 4 or 5 AES/EBU to ADAT format converters (Alesis AI4
>> or
>>>>> similar) to lightpipe to Paris.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> TC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>>> Bill, I think your off by a K.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Oops it was a DM24.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's a new digital mixer from Presonus that's around 1K I think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>>>> I had the DM 3200 and liked it a lot. It was adequate audio-wise
and
>>>>>>>> very convenient to have for all the routing and console features.
>> You've
>>>>>>>> got other pres, right? I just ran synths and lines into it and used
>>>> it
>>>>>>>> to feed the DAW via ADAT and SPDIF.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TC wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'm on the verge of purchasing one of these digital consoles, along
>>>>>>>>> with a Motu 2408 MKIII, to interface both with Paris, PT and Logic.
>>>> It
>>>>>>>>> would solve a few issues for me and get me away from using a mouse
>>>>>>>>> (I've been having major problems with severe pain in both wrists
>> for
>>>>>>>>> the last month).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have experience with the DM4800? I'd love to get opinions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.tascam.com/products/dm-4800.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TC
>>
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| Re: Tascam DM4800? - Euphonix Artist [message #102560 is a reply to message #102547] |
Wed, 18 February 2009 14:43 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Way back when, Tom Lubin had a series of recording videos. In one of the
videos he shows a close up of a Tascam reel to reel machine, in the picture
it shows the Tascam logo with a piece of tape over the Ta so it reads "scam"
for the brand. I always thought it was kind of humorous. Yeah, Tascam's
warranties suck, especially when it comes to the DM-24 LCD screen issue,
$168.00 plus shipping is an unreasonable amount for a user to have to fork
out for a defective design. I do think Tascam is making better stuff today,
compared to some of the sub-par stuff of the past.
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