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Parallel compression plugin from UA [message #93231]

Sat, 01 December 2007 01:37

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http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2007/december/index7.html

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Re: Parallel compression plugin from UA [message #93255 is a reply to message #93231]

Sun, 02 December 2007 01:12

LaMont
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Sweet!!. I'm gonna have to invest in one of those cards.

"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
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>http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2007/december/index7.html
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Re: Parallel compression plugin from UA [message #93268 is a reply to message #93231]

Sun, 02 December 2007 12:08

Bill L

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I love UAD1 plugs, BUT... I think they need to start combining their
stuff into fewer products. Most companies would have a Precision
Limiter, Maximizer and Buss compressor 9don't they all do the same
thing?) in one unit - and maybe even the Multiband too.

DJ wrote:
> http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2007/december/index7.html
>
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Re: Parallel compression plugin from UA [message #93273 is a reply to message #93231]

Sun, 02 December 2007 14:52

Cujjo

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Man I wish that would work with Paris. The transient designer would come
in handy

"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
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>
>http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2007/december/index7.html
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>

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Re: Parallel compression plugin from UA [message #93274 is a reply to message #93273]

Sun, 02 December 2007 13:59

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There's a hardware unit FS on EBay.

"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:4753292b$1@linux...
>
>
> Man I wish that would work with Paris. The transient designer would come
> in handy
>
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2007/december/index7.html
>>
>>
>

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Re: Parallel compression plugin from UA [message #93276 is a reply to message #93274]

Sun, 02 December 2007 15:44

Cujjo

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I don't think they are all that expensive new, but for how often I would
probably use it, I'd rather get the plug.

"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>There's a hardware unit FS on EBay.
>
>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:4753292b$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> Man I wish that would work with Paris. The transient designer would come
>> in handy
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2007/december/index7.html
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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Re: Parallel compression plugin from UA [message #93277 is a reply to message #93276]

Sun, 02 December 2007 14:45

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I used mine on every mix on the kick and snare. Sometimes on bass too if the
bass lines weren't too busy.

"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:47533554$1@linux...
>
>
> I don't think they are all that expensive new, but for how often I would
> probably use it, I'd rather get the plug.
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>There's a hardware unit FS on EBay.
>>
>>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>>news:4753292b$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>> Man I wish that would work with Paris. The transient designer would come
>>> in handy
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2007/december/index7.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: Parallel compression plugin from UA [message #93279 is a reply to message #93277]

Sun, 02 December 2007 16:24

Cujjo

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SO, you can shorten the ring of a kick hit?

"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>I used mine on every mix on the kick and snare. Sometimes on bass too if
the
>bass lines weren't too busy.
>
>
>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:47533554$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> I don't think they are all that expensive new, but for how often I would
>> probably use it, I'd rather get the plug.
>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>There's a hardware unit FS on EBay.
>>>
>>>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4753292b$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Man I wish that would work with Paris. The transient designer would
come
>>>> in handy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2007/december/index7.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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Re: Parallel compression plugin from UA [message #93280 is a reply to message #93279]

Sun, 02 December 2007 16:14

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OYeah!!!..or sustain it almost infinitely. It's basically a "punch a hole in
the wall" kinda box.

"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:47533ec0$1@linux...
>
>
> SO, you can shorten the ring of a kick hit?
>
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>I used mine on every mix on the kick and snare. Sometimes on bass too if
> the
>>bass lines weren't too busy.
>>
>>
>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>>news:47533554$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think they are all that expensive new, but for how often I would
>>> probably use it, I'd rather get the plug.
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>There's a hardware unit FS on EBay.
>>>>
>>>>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:4753292b$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Man I wish that would work with Paris. The transient designer would
> come
>>>>> in handy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2007/december/index7.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: Parallel compression plugin from UA [message #93288 is a reply to message #93268]

Sun, 02 December 2007 21:50

LaMont
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Not quite. Most buss compressors are emulations of either the SSL (Quad Compressor-Buss
compressor)or the Fairchild 670. These compressors do one thing and one thing
well and that is glue together a mix..Some may even descibe it as, they narrow
the stereo feild at bit and holds a tight grip on a mix. Where as a maximizer
does not "glue " a mix, but let's you get loud. The Multiband, is really
more an clever eq ,but lets you compressor different bands..

The term precision limiter is a new term for me. I think this kind of Compressor
combines the Maximixer capabilities along with Intelligent Limiter (alas
Paris). To alow some harmonic distortion in a smooth way, but not overs..

Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>I love UAD1 plugs, BUT... I think they need to start combining their
>stuff into fewer products. Most companies would have a Precision
>Limiter, Maximizer and Buss compressor 9don't they all do the same
>thing?) in one unit - and maybe even the Multiband too.
>
>DJ wrote:
>> http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2007/december/index7.html
>>
>>

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Re: Parallel compression plugin from UA [message #93290 is a reply to message #93268]

Mon, 03 December 2007 04:41

AlexPlasko

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Bill....I agree with you, they are all the same thing,just models of
different circuits with their respective behaviors..Until someone in this
can point me to the white papers of the models used for these emulations ill
make my own judgments.
its about the money and getting reimbursed for their R&D.
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:475311c2$1@linux...
>I love UAD1 plugs, BUT... I think they need to start combining their stuff
>into fewer products. Most companies would have a Precision Limiter,
>Maximizer and Buss compressor 9don't they all do the same thing?) in one
>unit - and maybe even the Multiband too.
>
> DJ wrote:
>> http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2007/december/index7.html

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Re: Parallel compression plugin from UA [message #93292 is a reply to message #93280]

Mon, 03 December 2007 07:40

Cujjo

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I like the sound of that

"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>OYeah!!!..or sustain it almost infinitely. It's basically a "punch a hole
in
>the wall" kinda box.
>
>
>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:47533ec0$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> SO, you can shorten the ring of a kick hit?
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>I used mine on every mix on the kick and snare. Sometimes on bass too
if
>> the
>>>bass lines weren't too busy.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>>>news:47533554$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't think they are all that expensive new, but for how often I would
>>>> probably use it, I'd rather get the plug.
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>There's a hardware unit FS on EBay.
>>>>>
>>>>>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:4753292b$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Man I wish that would work with Paris. The transient designer would
>> come
>>>>>> in handy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2007/december/index7.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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Re: Parallel compression plugin from UA [message #93293 is a reply to message #93292]

Mon, 03 December 2007 06:56

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I sold mine last week. With Paris, the hardware TD 4 is a pretty awesome
processor to have in the arsenal.

Deej

"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:47541562$1@linux...
>
>
> I like the sound of that
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>OYeah!!!..or sustain it almost infinitely. It's basically a "punch a hole
> in
>>the wall" kinda box.
>>
>>
>>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>>news:47533ec0$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>> SO, you can shorten the ring of a kick hit?
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>I used mine on every mix on the kick and snare. Sometimes on bass too
> if
>>> the
>>>>bass lines weren't too busy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:47533554$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think they are all that expensive new, but for how often I
>>>>> would
>>>>> probably use it, I'd rather get the plug.
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>There's a hardware unit FS on EBay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:4753292b$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Man I wish that would work with Paris. The transient designer would
>>> come
>>>>>>> in handy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2007/december/index7.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: Parallel compression plugin from UA [message #93294 is a reply to message #93293]

Mon, 03 December 2007 08:24

Cujjo

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However, using it at mixdown on drums would be a PITA due to the latency
issue.

I was thinking it would be great for a synth string track I just did to make
the tail more natural

"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>I sold mine last week. With Paris, the hardware TD 4 is a pretty awesome

>processor to have in the arsenal.
>
>Deej
>
>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:47541562$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> I like the sound of that
>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>OYeah!!!..or sustain it almost infinitely. It's basically a "punch a hole
>> in
>>>the wall" kinda box.
>>>
>>>
>>>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>>>news:47533ec0$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> SO, you can shorten the ring of a kick hit?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>I used mine on every mix on the kick and snare. Sometimes on bass too
>> if
>>>> the
>>>>>bass lines weren't too busy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:47533554$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think they are all that expensive new, but for how often I

>>>>>> would
>>>>>> probably use it, I'd rather get the plug.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>>There's a hardware unit FS on EBay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:4753292b$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Man I wish that would work with Paris. The transient designer would
>>>> come
>>>>>>>> in handy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2007/december/index7.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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Re: Parallel compression plugin from UA [message #93295 is a reply to message #93294]

Mon, 03 December 2007 08:34

Neil
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"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>
>However, using it at mixdown on drums would be a PITA due to the latency
>issue.
>
>I was thinking it would be great for a synth string track I just did to
make
>the tail more natural

Just fade out the waveform; or copy part of it, paste it to
extend if you need to do that, crossfade that portion, then
fadeout the end.

There, I just saved you 500 bucks on an outboard box lol!

Neil

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Re: Parallel compression plugin from UA [message #93296 is a reply to message #93295]

Mon, 03 December 2007 08:53

Cujjo

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Pretty much what we did.

"Neil" <OIU@OI.com> wrote:
>
>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>However, using it at mixdown on drums would be a PITA due to the latency
>>issue.
>>
>>I was thinking it would be great for a synth string track I just did to
>make
>>the tail more natural
>
>Just fade out the waveform; or copy part of it, paste it to
>extend if you need to do that, crossfade that portion, then
>fadeout the end.
>
>There, I just saved you 500 bucks on an outboard box lol!
>
>Neil

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Re: Parallel compression plugin from UA [message #93297 is a reply to message #93294]

Mon, 03 December 2007 10:31

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I/O latency on the TD is 0.81ms.

"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:47541fa7$1@linux...
>
>
> However, using it at mixdown on drums would be a PITA due to the latency
> issue.
>
> I was thinking it would be great for a synth string track I just did to
> make
> the tail more natural
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>I sold mine last week. With Paris, the hardware TD 4 is a pretty awesome
>
>>processor to have in the arsenal.
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>>news:47541562$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>> I like the sound of that
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>OYeah!!!..or sustain it almost infinitely. It's basically a "punch a
>>>>hole
>>> in
>>>>the wall" kinda box.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:47533ec0$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> SO, you can shorten the ring of a kick hit?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>I used mine on every mix on the kick and snare. Sometimes on bass too
>>> if
>>>>> the
>>>>>>bass lines weren't too busy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:47533554$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think they are all that expensive new, but for how often I
>
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> probably use it, I'd rather get the plug.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>There's a hardware unit FS on EBay.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:4753292b$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Man I wish that would work with Paris. The transient designer
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>> come
>>>>>>>>> in handy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2007/december/index7.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: Parallel compression plugin from UA [message #93298 is a reply to message #93295]

Mon, 03 December 2007 10:32

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More like $900.00

"Neil" <OIU@OI.com> wrote in message news:4754220f$1@linux...
>
> "cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>However, using it at mixdown on drums would be a PITA due to the latency
>>issue.
>>
>>I was thinking it would be great for a synth string track I just did to
> make
>>the tail more natural
>
> Just fade out the waveform; or copy part of it, paste it to
> extend if you need to do that, crossfade that portion, then
> fadeout the end.
>
> There, I just saved you 500 bucks on an outboard box lol!
>
> Neil

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Re: Parallel compression plugin from UA [message #93300 is a reply to message #93231]

Mon, 03 December 2007 15:28

TCB
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"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>
>
>http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2007/december/index7.html
>
>

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Re: Parallel compression plugin from UA [message #93301 is a reply to message #93231]

Mon, 03 December 2007 15:29

TCB
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SPL TD, and I have a PCI-E slot open in the Mothership? Looks like there's
a second UAD card in my future!

TCB

"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>
>
>http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2007/december/index7.html
>
>

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Re: Parallel compression plugin from UA [message #93302 is a reply to message #93301]

Mon, 03 December 2007 19:27

Aaron Allen

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Pulsar has TD option, yes?
AA

"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:47548357@linux...
>
> SPL TD, and I have a PCI-E slot open in the Mothership? Looks like there's
> a second UAD card in my future!
>
> TCB
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2007/december/index7.html
>>
>>
>

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Re: Parallel compression plugin from UA [message #93304 is a reply to message #93302]

Tue, 04 December 2007 07:37

TCB
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Yes, and there are software options too. But I'm treating Pulsar like PARIS,
great sounding gear that has essentially been obsoleted by the manufacturer.
I own a bunch of the John Bowen synths and some cool plugs for it, and it's
a fine mixer/router/patcher, but if I can get the same sound on UAD (I think
one of the companies with the brightest futures in the audio biz) over Pulsar,
I'd be foolish to go any other way.

TCB

"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Pulsar has TD option, yes?
>AA
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:47548357@linux...
>>
>> SPL TD, and I have a PCI-E slot open in the Mothership? Looks like there's
>> a second UAD card in my future!
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2007/december/index7.html
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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Re: Parallel compression plugin from UA [message #93305 is a reply to message #93304]

Tue, 04 December 2007 06:37

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Sonnox has a Transient Modulator for Powercore. I think they have one for
native as well. Waves TransX is supposed to be able to do something similar,
but my bets are on UA. In fact, they are so much on UA that I sold my
hardware TD4 last week.

"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4755662d$1@linux...
>
> Yes, and there are software options too. But I'm treating Pulsar like
> PARIS,
> great sounding gear that has essentially been obsoleted by the
> manufacturer.
> I own a bunch of the John Bowen synths and some cool plugs for it, and
> it's
> a fine mixer/router/patcher, but if I can get the same sound on UAD (I
> think
> one of the companies with the brightest futures in the audio biz) over
> Pulsar,
> I'd be foolish to go any other way.
>
> TCB
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>Pulsar has TD option, yes?
>>AA
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:47548357@linux...
>>>
>>> SPL TD, and I have a PCI-E slot open in the Mothership? Looks like
>>> there's
>>> a second UAD card in my future!
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2007/december/index7.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

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