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Pops when monitoring Cubase Midi in Paris [message #64426] Fri, 10 February 2006 04:21 Go to next message
Don Nafe is currently offline  Don Nafe   UNITED STATES
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Gotta question for ya.

I just got Cubase 1.06 from a friend who upgraded to 3.0 and I've noticed
that when I'm monitoring in Paris via my Dakota I get occasional pops.

Any idea what might be causing this

Don
Re: Pops when monitoring Cubase Midi in Paris [message #64428 is a reply to message #64426] Fri, 10 February 2006 07:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EK Sound is currently offline  EK Sound   CANADA
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Sounds like a slight word clock issue... if you are playing in Cubase
and monitoring via digital inputs in Paris, then the Dakota has to be
master and Paris has to be set to slave. Run a word clock cable from
the Cubase machine to the master interface on Paris, and set Paris for
word sync.

David.

Don Nafe wrote:

> Gotta question for ya.
>
> I just got Cubase 1.06 from a friend who upgraded to 3.0 and I've noticed
> that when I'm monitoring in Paris via my Dakota I get occasional pops.
>
> Any idea what might be causing this
>
> Don
>
>
Re: Pops when monitoring Cubase Midi in Paris [message #64430 is a reply to message #64428] Fri, 10 February 2006 08:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Don Nafe is currently offline  Don Nafe   UNITED STATES
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No word clock on the Dakota...at least as far as I can see...which is not
very far without my glasses

;-)


Don


"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43ecb7fe@linux...
> Sounds like a slight word clock issue... if you are playing in Cubase and
> monitoring via digital inputs in Paris, then the Dakota has to be master
> and Paris has to be set to slave. Run a word clock cable from the Cubase
> machine to the master interface on Paris, and set Paris for word sync.
>
> David.
>
> Don Nafe wrote:
>
>> Gotta question for ya.
>>
>> I just got Cubase 1.06 from a friend who upgraded to 3.0 and I've noticed
>> that when I'm monitoring in Paris via my Dakota I get occasional pops.
>>
>> Any idea what might be causing this
>>
>> Don
Re: Pops when monitoring Cubase Midi in Paris [message #64431 is a reply to message #64430] Fri, 10 February 2006 08:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
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You're going to need to slave the Dakota (and Cubase SX 1.06) to Paris ADAT.
Somewhere (I forget where-probably the project menu) in Cubase 1.06, there
is an area where you can match the buffer settings of Cubase SX to your
Dakota card buffer settings. I couldn't get it to sync without matching
buffers on both the Cubase app and the Dakota crd control panel. IIRC, the
best setting I found was 512k for both SX and the Dakota. This should work
fine for you as long as you are just playing back midi tracks. Connect a 9
pin serial cable from the Paris ADAT output to the Dakota ADAT sync input,
set the Dakota to sync to ADAT, hit the transport on your C16 and you're
good.


Deej

"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:43ecc3c2$1@linux...
> No word clock on the Dakota...at least as far as I can see...which is not
> very far without my glasses
>
> ;-)
>
>
> Don
>
>
> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43ecb7fe@linux...
> > Sounds like a slight word clock issue... if you are playing in Cubase
and
> > monitoring via digital inputs in Paris, then the Dakota has to be master
> > and Paris has to be set to slave. Run a word clock cable from the
Cubase
> > machine to the master interface on Paris, and set Paris for word sync.
> >
> > David.
> >
> > Don Nafe wrote:
> >
> >> Gotta question for ya.
> >>
> >> I just got Cubase 1.06 from a friend who upgraded to 3.0 and I've
noticed
> >> that when I'm monitoring in Paris via my Dakota I get occasional
pops.
> >>
> >> Any idea what might be causing this
> >>
> >> Don
>
>
Re: Pops when monitoring Cubase Midi in Paris [message #64432 is a reply to message #64430] Fri, 10 February 2006 08:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EK Sound is currently offline  EK Sound   CANADA
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If what DJ suggests doesn't work out... does the Dakota at least have
SPDIF??? You could use the SPDIF line from the Dakota to Paris to
achieve the same thing.

David.

Don Nafe wrote:
> No word clock on the Dakota...at least as far as I can see...which is not
> very far without my glasses
>
> ;-)
>
>
> Don
>
>
> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43ecb7fe@linux...
>
>>Sounds like a slight word clock issue... if you are playing in Cubase and
>>monitoring via digital inputs in Paris, then the Dakota has to be master
>>and Paris has to be set to slave. Run a word clock cable from the Cubase
>>machine to the master interface on Paris, and set Paris for word sync.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Gotta question for ya.
>>>
>>>I just got Cubase 1.06 from a friend who upgraded to 3.0 and I've noticed
>>>that when I'm monitoring in Paris via my Dakota I get occasional pops.
>>>
>>>Any idea what might be causing this
>>>
>>>Don
>
>
>
Re: Pops when monitoring Cubase Midi in Paris [message #64436 is a reply to message #64432] Fri, 10 February 2006 09:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Don Nafe is currently offline  Don Nafe   UNITED STATES
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Buffers are set to 256 on both

ADAT sync and SPDIF are working fine and the sync is dead on...I'm thinking
I'm just taxing my CPU with these softsynths

Don


"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43ecc76b@linux...
> If what DJ suggests doesn't work out... does the Dakota at least have
> SPDIF??? You could use the SPDIF line from the Dakota to Paris to achieve
> the same thing.
>
> David.
>
> Don Nafe wrote:
>> No word clock on the Dakota...at least as far as I can see...which is not
>> very far without my glasses
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43ecb7fe@linux...
>>
>>>Sounds like a slight word clock issue... if you are playing in Cubase and
>>>monitoring via digital inputs in Paris, then the Dakota has to be master
>>>and Paris has to be set to slave. Run a word clock cable from the Cubase
>>>machine to the master interface on Paris, and set Paris for word sync.
>>>
>>>David.
>>>
>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Gotta question for ya.
>>>>
>>>>I just got Cubase 1.06 from a friend who upgraded to 3.0 and I've
>>>>noticed that when I'm monitoring in Paris via my Dakota I get
>>>>occasional pops.
>>>>
>>>>Any idea what might be causing this
>>>>
>>>>Don
>>
>>
Re: Pops when monitoring Cubase Midi in Paris [message #64437 is a reply to message #64436] Fri, 10 February 2006 09:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EK Sound is currently offline  EK Sound   CANADA
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Increase the latency of the Dakota card to see if the clicks go away.

David.

Don Nafe wrote:

> Buffers are set to 256 on both
>
> ADAT sync and SPDIF are working fine and the sync is dead on...I'm thinking
> I'm just taxing my CPU with these softsynths
>
> Don
>
>
> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43ecc76b@linux...
>
>>If what DJ suggests doesn't work out... does the Dakota at least have
>>SPDIF??? You could use the SPDIF line from the Dakota to Paris to achieve
>>the same thing.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>
>>>No word clock on the Dakota...at least as far as I can see...which is not
>>>very far without my glasses
>>>
>>>;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>Don
>>>
>>>
>>>"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43ecb7fe@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sounds like a slight word clock issue... if you are playing in Cubase and
>>>>monitoring via digital inputs in Paris, then the Dakota has to be master
>>>>and Paris has to be set to slave. Run a word clock cable from the Cubase
>>>>machine to the master interface on Paris, and set Paris for word sync.
>>>>
>>>>David.
>>>>
>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Gotta question for ya.
>>>>>
>>>>>I just got Cubase 1.06 from a friend who upgraded to 3.0 and I've
>>>>>noticed that when I'm monitoring in Paris via my Dakota I get
>>>>>occasional pops.
>>>>>
>>>>>Any idea what might be causing this
>>>>>
>>>>>Don
>>>
>>>
>
Re: Pops when monitoring Cubase Midi in Paris [message #64440 is a reply to message #64437] Fri, 10 February 2006 10:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
duncan is currently offline  duncan   UNITED STATES
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What he said... If your sync is tight but playback of VSTi's out of
Cubase is glitchy it's likely you're exceeding capacity of that
system. The engines are buckling, Captain. Set latency low for
playing/tracking VSTi's, and set latency high for playback... Also,
I'd render one or more of those VSTi tracks out of Cubase and drag 'em
into Paris as audio files... That's "Export Audio" out of Cubase --
with the track you want soloed, and markers set to top and end... Snap
that audio file into your Paris editor on the right bar and you're
good to go... If you need to make changes later, get back in Cubase,
edit, alter, whatever, export and so on... I once imagined a system
where I could play whatever number of VSTi's I might want out of
Cubase in sync with Paris, but I found that I always ended up wanting
them over in Paris as audio files when it came time to mix anyway. I
still like reaching for a fader, and I think there's something going
on with the Paris mix mojo, when it comes to pulling everything
together and making it all seem "real"...

Whew -- long note for me -- coffee's workin' good today.

good luck with it -- Chas.

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:18:43 -0700, EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:

>Increase the latency of the Dakota card to see if the clicks go away.
>
>David.
>
>Don Nafe wrote:
>
>> Buffers are set to 256 on both
>>
>> ADAT sync and SPDIF are working fine and the sync is dead on...I'm thinking
>> I'm just taxing my CPU with these softsynths
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43ecc76b@linux...
>>
>>>If what DJ suggests doesn't work out... does the Dakota at least have
>>>SPDIF??? You could use the SPDIF line from the Dakota to Paris to achieve
>>>the same thing.
>>>
>>>David.
>>>
>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>
>>>>No word clock on the Dakota...at least as far as I can see...which is not
>>>>very far without my glasses
>>>>
>>>>;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43ecb7fe@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Sounds like a slight word clock issue... if you are playing in Cubase and
>>>>>monitoring via digital inputs in Paris, then the Dakota has to be master
>>>>>and Paris has to be set to slave. Run a word clock cable from the Cubase
>>>>>machine to the master interface on Paris, and set Paris for word sync.
>>>>>
>>>>>David.
>>>>>
>>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Gotta question for ya.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I just got Cubase 1.06 from a friend who upgraded to 3.0 and I've
>>>>>>noticed that when I'm monitoring in Paris via my Dakota I get
>>>>>>occasional pops.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any idea what might be causing this
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>
Re: Pops when monitoring Cubase Midi in Paris [message #64443 is a reply to message #64440] Fri, 10 February 2006 10:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Don Nafe is currently offline  Don Nafe   UNITED STATES
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Thanks all

Don


"Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote in message
news:7pkpu1l87ae0cv6fus3hheqd5odm89ue74@4ax.com...
>
>
> What he said... If your sync is tight but playback of VSTi's out of
> Cubase is glitchy it's likely you're exceeding capacity of that
> system. The engines are buckling, Captain. Set latency low for
> playing/tracking VSTi's, and set latency high for playback... Also,
> I'd render one or more of those VSTi tracks out of Cubase and drag 'em
> into Paris as audio files... That's "Export Audio" out of Cubase --
> with the track you want soloed, and markers set to top and end... Snap
> that audio file into your Paris editor on the right bar and you're
> good to go... If you need to make changes later, get back in Cubase,
> edit, alter, whatever, export and so on... I once imagined a system
> where I could play whatever number of VSTi's I might want out of
> Cubase in sync with Paris, but I found that I always ended up wanting
> them over in Paris as audio files when it came time to mix anyway. I
> still like reaching for a fader, and I think there's something going
> on with the Paris mix mojo, when it comes to pulling everything
> together and making it all seem "real"...
>
> Whew -- long note for me -- coffee's workin' good today.
>
> good luck with it -- Chas.
>
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:18:43 -0700, EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>Increase the latency of the Dakota card to see if the clicks go away.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>
>>> Buffers are set to 256 on both
>>>
>>> ADAT sync and SPDIF are working fine and the sync is dead on...I'm
>>> thinking
>>> I'm just taxing my CPU with these softsynths
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43ecc76b@linux...
>>>
>>>>If what DJ suggests doesn't work out... does the Dakota at least have
>>>>SPDIF??? You could use the SPDIF line from the Dakota to Paris to
>>>>achieve
>>>>the same thing.
>>>>
>>>>David.
>>>>
>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>No word clock on the Dakota...at least as far as I can see...which is
>>>>>not
>>>>>very far without my glasses
>>>>>
>>>>>;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Don
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43ecb7fe@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Sounds like a slight word clock issue... if you are playing in Cubase
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>monitoring via digital inputs in Paris, then the Dakota has to be
>>>>>>master
>>>>>>and Paris has to be set to slave. Run a word clock cable from the
>>>>>>Cubase
>>>>>>machine to the master interface on Paris, and set Paris for word sync.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Gotta question for ya.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I just got Cubase 1.06 from a friend who upgraded to 3.0 and I've
>>>>>>>noticed that when I'm monitoring in Paris via my Dakota I get
>>>>>>>occasional pops.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any idea what might be causing this
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
Re: Pops when monitoring Cubase Midi in Paris [message #64484 is a reply to message #64440] Sun, 12 February 2006 04:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Don Nafe is currently offline  Don Nafe   UNITED STATES
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Okay I'll bite...where does one set the latency ?

Don


"Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote in message
news:7pkpu1l87ae0cv6fus3hheqd5odm89ue74@4ax.com...
>
>
> What he said... If your sync is tight but playback of VSTi's out of
> Cubase is glitchy it's likely you're exceeding capacity of that
> system. The engines are buckling, Captain. Set latency low for
> playing/tracking VSTi's, and set latency high for playback... Also,
> I'd render one or more of those VSTi tracks out of Cubase and drag 'em
> into Paris as audio files... That's "Export Audio" out of Cubase --
> with the track you want soloed, and markers set to top and end... Snap
> that audio file into your Paris editor on the right bar and you're
> good to go... If you need to make changes later, get back in Cubase,
> edit, alter, whatever, export and so on... I once imagined a system
> where I could play whatever number of VSTi's I might want out of
> Cubase in sync with Paris, but I found that I always ended up wanting
> them over in Paris as audio files when it came time to mix anyway. I
> still like reaching for a fader, and I think there's something going
> on with the Paris mix mojo, when it comes to pulling everything
> together and making it all seem "real"...
>
> Whew -- long note for me -- coffee's workin' good today.
>
> good luck with it -- Chas.
>
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:18:43 -0700, EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>Increase the latency of the Dakota card to see if the clicks go away.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>
>>> Buffers are set to 256 on both
>>>
>>> ADAT sync and SPDIF are working fine and the sync is dead on...I'm
>>> thinking
>>> I'm just taxing my CPU with these softsynths
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43ecc76b@linux...
>>>
>>>>If what DJ suggests doesn't work out... does the Dakota at least have
>>>>SPDIF??? You could use the SPDIF line from the Dakota to Paris to
>>>>achieve
>>>>the same thing.
>>>>
>>>>David.
>>>>
>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>No word clock on the Dakota...at least as far as I can see...which is
>>>>>not
>>>>>very far without my glasses
>>>>>
>>>>>;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Don
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43ecb7fe@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Sounds like a slight word clock issue... if you are playing in Cubase
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>monitoring via digital inputs in Paris, then the Dakota has to be
>>>>>>master
>>>>>>and Paris has to be set to slave. Run a word clock cable from the
>>>>>>Cubase
>>>>>>machine to the master interface on Paris, and set Paris for word sync.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Gotta question for ya.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I just got Cubase 1.06 from a friend who upgraded to 3.0 and I've
>>>>>>>noticed that when I'm monitoring in Paris via my Dakota I get
>>>>>>>occasional pops.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any idea what might be causing this
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
Re: Pops when monitoring Cubase Midi in Paris [message #64486 is a reply to message #64484] Sun, 12 February 2006 07:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
no is currently offline  no
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Hi,Don
Don't bother trying to adjust settings within Cubase, as the buffer/latency
settings are locked
once Cubase nabs the soundcard driver.)
If you have a Dakota, (as have I), you'll find the buffer size settings in
the "System" tab in the Dakota control panel which you can access in the
Windows system tray. Try the highest setting first, and see if this cures
your problem.
Regards,
Kim

"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>Ok
ay I'll bite...where does one set the latency ?
>
>Don
>
>
>"Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote in message
>news:7pkpu1l87ae0cv6fus3hheqd5odm89ue74@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>> What he said... If your sync is tight but playback of VSTi's out of
>> Cubase is glitchy it's likely you're exceeding capacity of that
>> system. The engines are buckling, Captain. Set latency low for
>> playing/tracking VSTi's, and set latency high for playback... Also,
>> I'd render one or more of those VSTi tracks out of Cubase and drag 'em
>> into Paris as audio files... That's "Export Audio" out of Cubase --
>> with the track you want soloed, and markers set to top and end... Snap
>> that audio file into your Paris editor on the right bar and you're
>> good to go... If you need to make changes later, get back in Cubase,
>> edit, alter, whatever, export and so on... I once imagined a system
>> where I could play whatever number of VSTi's I might want out of
>> Cubase in sync with Paris, but I found that I always ended up wanting
>> them over in Paris as audio files when it came time to mix anyway. I
>> still like reaching for a fader, and I think there's something going
>> on with the Paris mix mojo, when it comes to pulling everything
>> together and making it all seem "real"...
>>
>> Whew -- long note for me -- coffee's workin' good today.
>>
>> good luck with it -- Chas.
>>
>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:18:43 -0700, EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Increase the latency of the Dakota card to see if the clicks go away.
>>>
>>>David.
>>>
>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>
>>>> Buffers are set to 256 on both
>>>>
>>>> ADAT sync and SPDIF are working fine and the sync is dead on...I'm
>>>> thinking
>>>> I'm just taxing my CPU with these softsynths
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43ecc76b@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>If what DJ suggests doesn't work out... does the Dakota at least have
>>>>>SPDIF??? You could use the SPDIF line from the Dakota to Paris to
>>>>>achieve
>>>>>the same thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>David.
>>>>>
>>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>No word clock on the Dakota...at least as far as I can see...which
is
>>>>>>not
>>>>>>very far without my glasses
>>>>>>
>>>>>>;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43ecb7fe@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sounds like a slight word clock issue... if you are playing in Cubase

>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>monitoring via digital inputs in Paris, then the Dakota has to be

>>>>>>>master
>>>>>>>and Paris has to be set to slave. Run a word clock cable from the

>>>>>>>Cubase
>>>>>>>machine to the master interface on Paris, and set Paris for word sync.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Gotta question for ya.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I just got Cubase 1.06 from a friend who upgraded to 3.0 and I've
>>>>>>>>noticed that when I'm monitoring in Paris via my Dakota I get
>>>>>>>>occasional pops.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Any idea what might be causing this
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>
Re: Pops when monitoring Cubase Midi in Paris [message #64487 is a reply to message #64486] Sun, 12 February 2006 06:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Don Nafe is currently offline  Don Nafe   UNITED STATES
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I took it to it's lowest setting and the noise became worse (32 I believe)
....presently back at 256 but still getting the occasional pop.

Right now I have two midi tracks...one soft synth and every 60 seconds or so
"pop" I can always render to audio but that too is a pain

I don't notice anything with audio tracks so I'm thinking this is a soft
synth resource thing

Don



"Kim W." <no@way> wrote in message news:43ef4753$1@linux...
>
> Hi,Don
> Don't bother trying to adjust settings within Cubase, as the
> buffer/latency
> settings are locked
> once Cubase nabs the soundcard driver.)
> If you have a Dakota, (as have I), you'll find the buffer size settings in
> the "System" tab in the Dakota control panel which you can access in the
> Windows system tray. Try the highest setting first, and see if this cures
> your problem.
> Regards,
> Kim
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>Ok
> ay I'll bite...where does one set the latency ?
>>
>>Don
>>
>>
>>"Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote in message
>>news:7pkpu1l87ae0cv6fus3hheqd5odm89ue74@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> What he said... If your sync is tight but playback of VSTi's out of
>>> Cubase is glitchy it's likely you're exceeding capacity of that
>>> system. The engines are buckling, Captain. Set latency low for
>>> playing/tracking VSTi's, and set latency high for playback... Also,
>>> I'd render one or more of those VSTi tracks out of Cubase and drag 'em
>>> into Paris as audio files... That's "Export Audio" out of Cubase --
>>> with the track you want soloed, and markers set to top and end... Snap
>>> that audio file into your Paris editor on the right bar and you're
>>> good to go... If you need to make changes later, get back in Cubase,
>>> edit, alter, whatever, export and so on... I once imagined a system
>>> where I could play whatever number of VSTi's I might want out of
>>> Cubase in sync with Paris, but I found that I always ended up wanting
>>> them over in Paris as audio files when it came time to mix anyway. I
>>> still like reaching for a fader, and I think there's something going
>>> on with the Paris mix mojo, when it comes to pulling everything
>>> together and making it all seem "real"...
>>>
>>> Whew -- long note for me -- coffee's workin' good today.
>>>
>>> good luck with it -- Chas.
>>>
>>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:18:43 -0700, EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Increase the latency of the Dakota card to see if the clicks go away.
>>>>
>>>>David.
>>>>
>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Buffers are set to 256 on both
>>>>>
>>>>> ADAT sync and SPDIF are working fine and the sync is dead on...I'm
>>>>> thinking
>>>>> I'm just taxing my CPU with these softsynths
>>>>>
>>>>> Don
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43ecc76b@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>>If what DJ suggests doesn't work out... does the Dakota at least have
>>>>>>SPDIF??? You could use the SPDIF line from the Dakota to Paris to
>>>>>>achieve
>>>>>>the same thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No word clock on the Dakota...at least as far as I can see...which
> is
>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>very far without my glasses
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43ecb7fe@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sounds like a slight word clock issue... if you are playing in
>>>>>>>>Cubase
>
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>monitoring via digital inputs in Paris, then the Dakota has to be
>
>>>>>>>>master
>>>>>>>>and Paris has to be set to slave. Run a word clock cable from the
>
>>>>>>>>Cubase
>>>>>>>>machine to the master interface on Paris, and set Paris for word
>>>>>>>>sync.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Gotta question for ya.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I just got Cubase 1.06 from a friend who upgraded to 3.0 and I've
>>>>>>>>>noticed that when I'm monitoring in Paris via my Dakota I get
>>>>>>>>>occasional pops.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Any idea what might be causing this
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Pops when monitoring Cubase Midi in Paris [message #64490 is a reply to message #64487] Sun, 12 February 2006 08:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
no is currently offline  no
Messages: 40
Registered: January 2008
Member
Hmmm.
Sorry, Don.
Without knowing more about your Cubase System, I am at a loss.
I have no problem running a bunch of softsynths with a buffer setting of
64, on a 2.4ghz P4. The XP install is fairly clean.
(no antivirus/firewall or background stuff).
I did notice that the midi timing went caput when
sending to an external synth, and almost felt like CPU overload. I never
noticed popping with the VSTi's, though.
What is the VSTi you are using, and, dare I ask, how fast is your
processor? I am only an occasional lurker here, so I do not know
who is using what.
Kim


"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>I took it to it's lowest setting and the noise became worse (32 I believe)

>...presently back at 256 but still getting the occasional pop.
>
>Right now I have two midi tracks...one soft synth and every 60 seconds or
so
>"pop" I can always render to audio but that too is a pain
>
>I don't notice anything with audio tracks so I'm thinking this is a soft

>synth resource thing
>
>Don
>
>
>
>"Kim W." <no@way> wrote in message news:43ef4753$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi,Don
>> Don't bother trying to adjust settings within Cubase, as the
>> buffer/latency
>> settings are locked
>> once Cubase nabs the soundcard driver.)
>> If you have a Dakota, (as have I), you'll find the buffer size settings
in
>> the "System" tab in the Dakota control panel which you can access in the
>> Windows system tray. Try the highest setting first, and see if this cures
>> your problem.
>> Regards,
>> Kim
>>
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>Ok
>> ay I'll bite...where does one set the latency ?
>>>
>>>Don
>>>
>>>
>>>"Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote in message
>>>news:7pkpu1l87ae0cv6fus3hheqd5odm89ue74@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What he said... If your sync is tight but playback of VSTi's out of
>>>> Cubase is glitchy it's likely you're exceeding capacity of that
>>>> system. The engines are buckling, Captain. Set latency low for
>>>> playing/tracking VSTi's, and set latency high for playback... Also,
>>>> I'd render one or more of those VSTi tracks out of Cubase and drag 'em
>>>> into Paris as audio files... That's "Export Audio" out of Cubase --
>>>> with the track you want soloed, and markers set to top and end... Snap
>>>> that audio file into your Paris editor on the right bar and you're
>>>> good to go... If you need to make changes later, get back in Cubase,
>>>> edit, alter, whatever, export and so on... I once imagined a system
>>>> where I could play whatever number of VSTi's I might want out of
>>>> Cubase in sync with Paris, but I found that I always ended up wanting
>>>> them over in Paris as audio files when it came time to mix anyway.
I
>>>> still like reaching for a fader, and I think there's something going
>>>> on with the Paris mix mojo, when it comes to pulling everything
>>>> together and making it all seem "real"...
>>>>
>>>> Whew -- long note for me -- coffee's workin' good today.
>>>>
>>>> good luck with it -- Chas.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:18:43 -0700, EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Increase the latency of the Dakota card to see if the clicks go away.
>>>>>
>>>>>David.
>>>>>
>>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Buffers are set to 256 on both
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ADAT sync and SPDIF are working fine and the sync is dead on...I'm
>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>> I'm just taxing my CPU with these softsynths
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43ecc76b@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If what DJ suggests doesn't work out... does the Dakota at least have
>>>>>>>SPDIF??? You could use the SPDIF line from the Dakota to Paris to
>>>>>>>achieve
>>>>>>>the same thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No word clock on the Dakota...at least as far as I can see...which
>> is
>>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>very far without my glasses
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43ecb7fe@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Sounds like a slight word clock issue... if you are playing in
>>>>>>>>>Cubase
>>
>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>monitoring via digital inputs in Paris, then the Dakota has to be
>>
>>>>>>>>>master
>>>>>>>>>and Paris has to be set to slave. Run a word clock cable from the
>>
>>>>>>>>>Cubase
>>>>>>>>>machine to the master interface on Paris, and set Paris for word

>>>>>>>>>sync.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Gotta question for ya.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I just got Cubase 1.06 from a friend who upgraded to 3.0 and I've
>>>>>>>>>>noticed that when I'm monitoring in Paris via my Dakota I get
>>>>>>>>>>occasional pops.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Any idea what might be causing this
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: Pops when monitoring Cubase Midi in Paris [message #64491 is a reply to message #64490] Sun, 12 February 2006 08:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Don Nafe is currently offline  Don Nafe   UNITED STATES
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
Senior Member
Hey Kim

1.8 gig Pentium with a gig of ram on XP completely stripped of all non
essential crap.

I get pops at 256 &128 - anything less and it's noise over the synth sound.

I have on loan Absynth, Hypersonic, Korg legacy collection, Kontact, Halion,
NI - Pro53 / B4 / FM7 / Battery as well as Reaktor (I believe)

Latest project is with Absynth - two midi tracks - one sound and Battey -
three midi tracks - one patch - pops occur randomly i.e. no midi
correllation to pops

Don


"Kim.W." <no@way.> wrote in message news:43ef5690$1@linux...
>
> Hmmm.
> Sorry, Don.
> Without knowing more about your Cubase System, I am at a loss.
> I have no problem running a bunch of softsynths with a buffer setting of
> 64, on a 2.4ghz P4. The XP install is fairly clean.
> (no antivirus/firewall or background stuff).
> I did notice that the midi timing went caput when
> sending to an external synth, and almost felt like CPU overload. I never
> noticed popping with the VSTi's, though.
> What is the VSTi you are using, and, dare I ask, how fast is your
> processor? I am only an occasional lurker here, so I do not know
> who is using what.
> Kim
>
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>I took it to it's lowest setting and the noise became worse (32 I believe)
>
>>...presently back at 256 but still getting the occasional pop.
>>
>>Right now I have two midi tracks...one soft synth and every 60 seconds or
> so
>>"pop" I can always render to audio but that too is a pain
>>
>>I don't notice anything with audio tracks so I'm thinking this is a soft
>
>>synth resource thing
>>
>>Don
>>
>>
>>
>>"Kim W." <no@way> wrote in message news:43ef4753$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Hi,Don
>>> Don't bother trying to adjust settings within Cubase, as the
>>> buffer/latency
>>> settings are locked
>>> once Cubase nabs the soundcard driver.)
>>> If you have a Dakota, (as have I), you'll find the buffer size settings
> in
>>> the "System" tab in the Dakota control panel which you can access in the
>>> Windows system tray. Try the highest setting first, and see if this
>>> cures
>>> your problem.
>>> Regards,
>>> Kim
>>>
>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>Ok
>>> ay I'll bite...where does one set the latency ?
>>>>
>>>>Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote in message
>>>>news:7pkpu1l87ae0cv6fus3hheqd5odm89ue74@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What he said... If your sync is tight but playback of VSTi's out of
>>>>> Cubase is glitchy it's likely you're exceeding capacity of that
>>>>> system. The engines are buckling, Captain. Set latency low for
>>>>> playing/tracking VSTi's, and set latency high for playback... Also,
>>>>> I'd render one or more of those VSTi tracks out of Cubase and drag 'em
>>>>> into Paris as audio files... That's "Export Audio" out of Cubase --
>>>>> with the track you want soloed, and markers set to top and end... Snap
>>>>> that audio file into your Paris editor on the right bar and you're
>>>>> good to go... If you need to make changes later, get back in Cubase,
>>>>> edit, alter, whatever, export and so on... I once imagined a system
>>>>> where I could play whatever number of VSTi's I might want out of
>>>>> Cubase in sync with Paris, but I found that I always ended up wanting
>>>>> them over in Paris as audio files when it came time to mix anyway.
> I
>>>>> still like reaching for a fader, and I think there's something going
>>>>> on with the Paris mix mojo, when it comes to pulling everything
>>>>> together and making it all seem "real"...
>>>>>
>>>>> Whew -- long note for me -- coffee's workin' good today.
>>>>>
>>>>> good luck with it -- Chas.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:18:43 -0700, EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Increase the latency of the Dakota card to see if the clicks go away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Buffers are set to 256 on both
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ADAT sync and SPDIF are working fine and the sync is dead on...I'm
>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>> I'm just taxing my CPU with these softsynths
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:43ecc76b@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If what DJ suggests doesn't work out... does the Dakota at least
>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>SPDIF??? You could use the SPDIF line from the Dakota to Paris to
>>>>>>>>achieve
>>>>>>>>the same thing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No word clock on the Dakota...at least as far as I can see...which
>>> is
>>>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>>very far without my glasses
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:43ecb7fe@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like a slight word clock issue... if you are playing in
>>>>>>>>>>Cubase
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>monitoring via digital inputs in Paris, then the Dakota has to be
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>master
>>>>>>>>>>and Paris has to be set to slave. Run a word clock cable from the
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Cubase
>>>>>>>>>>machine to the master interface on Paris, and set Paris for word
>
>>>>>>>>>>sync.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Gotta question for ya.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I just got Cubase 1.06 from a friend who upgraded to 3.0 and I've
>>>>>>>>>>>noticed that when I'm monitoring in Paris via my Dakota I get
>>>>>>>>>>>occasional pops.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Any idea what might be causing this
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Pops when monitoring Cubase Midi in Paris [message #64492 is a reply to message #64486] Sun, 12 February 2006 09:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
Senior Member
In Cubase SX 1.06, it is definitely *not* locked. There is a place in one of
the menu pages where buffer settings can be manually set to match the buffer
settings of the Dakota card and this needs to be done for things to work
properly. I remember this distinctly. This is what I used to have to do when
I was using a Dakota/Montana combo with Cubase SX 1.06 or I could not get
reliable timeline sync between Cubse and Paris.. This ability to manually
set buffers from within Cubase SX to match buffer settings in the control
panel of the audio hardware was not implemented in v2.0..........and believe
me, I tried. I even used beta drivers from Froniter in hopes that the Dakota
Driver would work properly in the Cubase SX 2.0 environment. It didn't work
and this is why I now have RME cards in my DAW. I have heard that there is
now a working Dakota driver for Cubase SX 2x-3x, but I'm too deep into the
RME stuff to think about going back at this point.

Deej




"Kim W." <no@way> wrote in message news:43ef4753$1@linux...
>
> Hi,Don
> Don't bother trying to adjust settings within Cubase, as the
buffer/latency
> settings are locked
> once Cubase nabs the soundcard driver.)
> If you have a Dakota, (as have I), you'll find the buffer size settings in
> the "System" tab in the Dakota control panel which you can access in the
> Windows system tray. Try the highest setting first, and see if this cures
> your problem.
> Regards,
> Kim
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
> >Ok
> ay I'll bite...where does one set the latency ?
> >
> >Don
> >
> >
> >"Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote in message
> >news:7pkpu1l87ae0cv6fus3hheqd5odm89ue74@4ax.com...
> >>
> >>
> >> What he said... If your sync is tight but playback of VSTi's out of
> >> Cubase is glitchy it's likely you're exceeding capacity of that
> >> system. The engines are buckling, Captain. Set latency low for
> >> playing/tracking VSTi's, and set latency high for playback... Also,
> >> I'd render one or more of those VSTi tracks out of Cubase and drag 'em
> >> into Paris as audio files... That's "Export Audio" out of Cubase --
> >> with the track you want soloed, and markers set to top and end... Snap
> >> that audio file into your Paris editor on the right bar and you're
> >> good to go... If you need to make changes later, get back in Cubase,
> >> edit, alter, whatever, export and so on... I once imagined a system
> >> where I could play whatever number of VSTi's I might want out of
> >> Cubase in sync with Paris, but I found that I always ended up wanting
> >> them over in Paris as audio files when it came time to mix anyway. I
> >> still like reaching for a fader, and I think there's something going
> >> on with the Paris mix mojo, when it comes to pulling everything
> >> together and making it all seem "real"...
> >>
> >> Whew -- long note for me -- coffee's workin' good today.
> >>
> >> good luck with it -- Chas.
> >>
> >> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:18:43 -0700, EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Increase the latency of the Dakota card to see if the clicks go away.
> >>>
> >>>David.
> >>>
> >>>Don Nafe wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Buffers are set to 256 on both
> >>>>
> >>>> ADAT sync and SPDIF are working fine and the sync is dead on...I'm
> >>>> thinking
> >>>> I'm just taxing my CPU with these softsynths
> >>>>
> >>>> Don
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43ecc76b@linux...
> >>>>
> >>>>>If what DJ suggests doesn't work out... does the Dakota at least have
> >>>>>SPDIF??? You could use the SPDIF line from the Dakota to Paris to
> >>>>>achieve
> >>>>>the same thing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>David.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>No word clock on the Dakota...at least as far as I can see...which
> is
> >>>>>>not
> >>>>>>very far without my glasses
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>;-)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Don
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:43ecb7fe@linux...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Sounds like a slight word clock issue... if you are playing in
Cubase
>
> >>>>>>>and
> >>>>>>>monitoring via digital inputs in Paris, then the Dakota has to be
>
> >>>>>>>master
> >>>>>>>and Paris has to be set to slave. Run a word clock cable from the
>
> >>>>>>>Cubase
> >>>>>>>machine to the master interface on Paris, and set Paris for word
sync.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>David.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Gotta question for ya.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I just got Cubase 1.06 from a friend who upgraded to 3.0 and I've
> >>>>>>>>noticed that when I'm monitoring in Paris via my Dakota I get
> >>>>>>>>occasional pops.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Any idea what might be causing this
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Don
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
Re: Pops when monitoring Cubase Midi in Paris [message #64502 is a reply to message #64491] Mon, 13 February 2006 09:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EK Sound is currently offline  EK Sound   CANADA
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
Senior Member
Pretty slim for a VSTi machine... try upping the setting on the Dakota
from 256 to 512. You do realise that if you have any of the VSTi's
showing in the Instrument window, they draw CPU power even if there
are no MIDI tracks running at all. Try activating only ONE VSTi at a
time.

David.

Don Nafe wrote:
> Hey Kim
>
> 1.8 gig Pentium with a gig of ram on XP completely stripped of all non
> essential crap.
>
> I get pops at 256 &128 - anything less and it's noise over the synth sound.
>
> I have on loan Absynth, Hypersonic, Korg legacy collection, Kontact, Halion,
> NI - Pro53 / B4 / FM7 / Battery as well as Reaktor (I believe)
>
> Latest project is with Absynth - two midi tracks - one sound and Battey -
> three midi tracks - one patch - pops occur randomly i.e. no midi
> correllation to pops
>
> Don
>
>
> "Kim.W." <no@way.> wrote in message news:43ef5690$1@linux...
>
>>Hmmm.
>>Sorry, Don.
>>Without knowing more about your Cubase System, I am at a loss.
>>I have no problem running a bunch of softsynths with a buffer setting of
>>64, on a 2.4ghz P4. The XP install is fairly clean.
>>(no antivirus/firewall or background stuff).
>>I did notice that the midi timing went caput when
>>sending to an external synth, and almost felt like CPU overload. I never
>>noticed popping with the VSTi's, though.
>>What is the VSTi you are using, and, dare I ask, how fast is your
>>processor? I am only an occasional lurker here, so I do not know
>>who is using what.
>>Kim
>>
>>
>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>I took it to it's lowest setting and the noise became worse (32 I believe)
>>
>>>...presently back at 256 but still getting the occasional pop.
>>>
>>>Right now I have two midi tracks...one soft synth and every 60 seconds or
>>
>>so
>>
>>>"pop" I can always render to audio but that too is a pain
>>>
>>>I don't notice anything with audio tracks so I'm thinking this is a soft
>>
>>>synth resource thing
>>>
>>>Don
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Kim W." <no@way> wrote in message news:43ef4753$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>Hi,Don
>>>>Don't bother trying to adjust settings within Cubase, as the
>>>>buffer/latency
>>>>settings are locked
>>>>once Cubase nabs the soundcard driver.)
>>>>If you have a Dakota, (as have I), you'll find the buffer size settings
>>
>>in
>>
>>>>the "System" tab in the Dakota control panel which you can access in the
>>>>Windows system tray. Try the highest setting first, and see if this
>>>>cures
>>>>your problem.
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Kim
>>>>
>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Ok
>>>>
>>>>ay I'll bite...where does one set the latency ?
>>>>
>>>>>Don
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote in message
>>>>>news:7pkpu1l87ae0cv6fus3hheqd5odm89ue74@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What he said... If your sync is tight but playback of VSTi's out of
>>>>>>Cubase is glitchy it's likely you're exceeding capacity of that
>>>>>>system. The engines are buckling, Captain. Set latency low for
>>>>>>playing/tracking VSTi's, and set latency high for playback... Also,
>>>>>>I'd render one or more of those VSTi tracks out of Cubase and drag 'em
>>>>>>into Paris as audio files... That's "Export Audio" out of Cubase --
>>>>>>with the track you want soloed, and markers set to top and end... Snap
>>>>>>that audio file into your Paris editor on the right bar and you're
>>>>>>good to go... If you need to make changes later, get back in Cubase,
>>>>>>edit, alter, whatever, export and so on... I once imagined a system
>>>>>>where I could play whatever number of VSTi's I might want out of
>>>>>>Cubase in sync with Paris, but I found that I always ended up wanting
>>>>>>them over in Paris as audio files when it came time to mix anyway.
>>
>>I
>>
>>>>>>still like reaching for a fader, and I think there's something going
>>>>>>on with the Paris mix mojo, when it comes to pulling everything
>>>>>>together and making it all seem "real"...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Whew -- long note for me -- coffee's workin' good today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>good luck with it -- Chas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:18:43 -0700, EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Increase the latency of the Dakota card to see if the clicks go away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Buffers are set to 256 on both
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>ADAT sync and SPDIF are working fine and the sync is dead on...I'm
>>>>>>>>thinking
>>>>>>>>I'm just taxing my CPU with these softsynths
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:43ecc76b@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If what DJ suggests doesn't work out... does the Dakota at least
>>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>SPDIF??? You could use the SPDIF line from the Dakota to Paris to
>>>>>>>>>achieve
>>>>>>>>>the same thing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>No word clock on the Dakota...at least as far as I can see...which
>>>>
>>>>is
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>>>very far without my glasses
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>;-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:43ecb7fe@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like a slight word clock issue... if you are playing in
>>>>>>>>>>>Cubase
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>monitoring via digital inputs in Paris, then the Dakota has to be
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>master
>>>>>>>>>>>and Paris has to be set to slave. Run a word clock cable from the
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Cubase
>>>>>>>>>>>machine to the master interface on Paris, and set Paris for word
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>sync.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Gotta question for ya.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I just got Cubase 1.06 from a friend who upgraded to 3.0 and I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>noticed that when I'm monitoring in Paris via my Dakota I get
>>>>>>>>>>>>occasional pops.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Any idea what might be causing this
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
>
Re: Pops when monitoring Cubase Midi in Paris [message #64515 is a reply to message #64502] Mon, 13 February 2006 15:07 Go to previous message
Don Nafe is currently offline  Don Nafe   UNITED STATES
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
Senior Member
I've made sure all unused instruments not in the instrument window...latest
project was Absynth, Hypersonic - 10 tracks and when I added Battery 2 and
went to play along (trying out ideas) all hell broke loose re: digital
distortion.

For the record this machine wasn't supposed to house all these VST synths
but the synth fairy dropped by and well, I just couldn't say no so the game
plan is to ramp this cubase rig up to a 3+ gig machine in the very near
future.

Will try upping things to 512 and see what happens fingers X'd

Don


"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43f0bd05@linux...
> Pretty slim for a VSTi machine... try upping the setting on the Dakota
> from 256 to 512. You do realise that if you have any of the VSTi's
> showing in the Instrument window, they draw CPU power even if there are no
> MIDI tracks running at all. Try activating only ONE VSTi at a time.
>
> David.
>
> Don Nafe wrote:
>> Hey Kim
>>
>> 1.8 gig Pentium with a gig of ram on XP completely stripped of all non
>> essential crap.
>>
>> I get pops at 256 &128 - anything less and it's noise over the synth
>> sound.
>>
>> I have on loan Absynth, Hypersonic, Korg legacy collection, Kontact,
>> Halion, NI - Pro53 / B4 / FM7 / Battery as well as Reaktor (I believe)
>>
>> Latest project is with Absynth - two midi tracks - one sound and Battey -
>> three midi tracks - one patch - pops occur randomly i.e. no midi
>> correllation to pops
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> "Kim.W." <no@way.> wrote in message news:43ef5690$1@linux...
>>
>>>Hmmm.
>>>Sorry, Don.
>>>Without knowing more about your Cubase System, I am at a loss.
>>>I have no problem running a bunch of softsynths with a buffer setting of
>>>64, on a 2.4ghz P4. The XP install is fairly clean.
>>>(no antivirus/firewall or background stuff).
>>>I did notice that the midi timing went caput when
>>>sending to an external synth, and almost felt like CPU overload. I never
>>>noticed popping with the VSTi's, though.
>>>What is the VSTi you are using, and, dare I ask, how fast is your
>>>processor? I am only an occasional lurker here, so I do not know
>>>who is using what.
>>>Kim
>>>
>>>
>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I took it to it's lowest setting and the noise became worse (32 I
>>>>believe)
>>>
>>>>...presently back at 256 but still getting the occasional pop.
>>>>
>>>>Right now I have two midi tracks...one soft synth and every 60 seconds
>>>>or
>>>
>>>so
>>>
>>>>"pop" I can always render to audio but that too is a pain
>>>>
>>>>I don't notice anything with audio tracks so I'm thinking this is a soft
>>>
>>>>synth resource thing
>>>>
>>>>Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Kim W." <no@way> wrote in message news:43ef4753$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>Hi,Don
>>>>>Don't bother trying to adjust settings within Cubase, as the
>>>>>buffer/latency
>>>>>settings are locked
>>>>>once Cubase nabs the soundcard driver.)
>>>>>If you have a Dakota, (as have I), you'll find the buffer size settings
>>>
>>>in
>>>
>>>>>the "System" tab in the Dakota control panel which you can access in
>>>>>the
>>>>>Windows system tray. Try the highest setting first, and see if this
>>>>>cures
>>>>>your problem.
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Kim
>>>>>
>>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Ok
>>>>>
>>>>>ay I'll bite...where does one set the latency ?
>>>>>
>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:7pkpu1l87ae0cv6fus3hheqd5odm89ue74@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What he said... If your sync is tight but playback of VSTi's out of
>>>>>>>Cubase is glitchy it's likely you're exceeding capacity of that
>>>>>>>system. The engines are buckling, Captain. Set latency low for
>>>>>>>playing/tracking VSTi's, and set latency high for playback... Also,
>>>>>>>I'd render one or more of those VSTi tracks out of Cubase and drag
>>>>>>>'em
>>>>>>>into Paris as audio files... That's "Export Audio" out of Cubase --
>>>>>>>with the track you want soloed, and markers set to top and end...
>>>>>>>Snap
>>>>>>>that audio file into your Paris editor on the right bar and you're
>>>>>>>good to go... If you need to make changes later, get back in Cubase,
>>>>>>>edit, alter, whatever, export and so on... I once imagined a system
>>>>>>>where I could play whatever number of VSTi's I might want out of
>>>>>>>Cubase in sync with Paris, but I found that I always ended up wanting
>>>>>>>them over in Paris as audio files when it came time to mix anyway.
>>>
>>>I
>>>
>>>>>>>still like reaching for a fader, and I think there's something going
>>>>>>>on with the Paris mix mojo, when it comes to pulling everything
>>>>>>>together and making it all seem "real"...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Whew -- long note for me -- coffee's workin' good today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>good luck with it -- Chas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:18:43 -0700, EK Sound <askme@nospam.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Increase the latency of the Dakota card to see if the clicks go
>>>>>>>>away.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Buffers are set to 256 on both
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>ADAT sync and SPDIF are working fine and the sync is dead on...I'm
>>>>>>>>>thinking
>>>>>>>>>I'm just taxing my CPU with these softsynths
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:43ecc76b@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If what DJ suggests doesn't work out... does the Dakota at least
>>>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>SPDIF??? You could use the SPDIF line from the Dakota to Paris to
>>>>>>>>>>achieve
>>>>>>>>>>the same thing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>No word clock on the Dakota...at least as far as I can
>>>>>>>>>>>see...which
>>>>>
>>>>>is
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>>>>very far without my glasses
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>news:43ecb7fe@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like a slight word clock issue... if you are playing in
>>>>>>>>>>>>Cubase
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>monitoring via digital inputs in Paris, then the Dakota has to
>>>>>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>master
>>>>>>>>>>>>and Paris has to be set to slave. Run a word clock cable from
>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Cubase
>>>>>>>>>>>>machine to the master interface on Paris, and set Paris for word
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>sync.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gotta question for ya.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I just got Cubase 1.06 from a friend who upgraded to 3.0 and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>noticed that when I'm monitoring in Paris via my Dakota I get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>occasional pops.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any idea what might be causing this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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