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HR824 placement [message #68897]

Sat, 03 June 2006 08:08

brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006

Senior Member

Hi All,

According to the manual these were designed to be placed in a vertical
position. I have read articles on speaker placement and they say most speakers
are designed to have the listeners ear at a level height with the tweeter
OR level with the space between the tweeter and the woofer. I notice that
the phantom center shifts up and down in front of me as I change my ear level
in relation to the tweeters. It is written that there is an optimal listening
position when considering phase relation between the tweeter and the woofer.
I wrote to Mackie and there response was:

"As long as you are a descent distance away from the cabinets, a meter
or so, I don't think it matters. Put them in a horizontal plane with
your head and stay a good bit away from them. You should be fine. msp"

This response goes against how the speakers were designed to be mounted and
listened thru.....So........
Does anyone know the optimal positioning?and why?

Thanks,
Brandon

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Re: HR824 placement [message #68898 is a reply to message #68897]

Sat, 03 June 2006 08:25

EK Sound

Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005

Senior Member

Ideally, the speaker should be as far away from your ears as they are
apart from each other (equal sided triangle). Also, the cabinets
should be aiming at you with the center of the cabinet at right angles
to your head. This means that if you have the cabinets sitting lower
than your head, you should tilt them up slightly, and tilt down if
they are over your head.

Just a rule of thumb... YMMV

David.

Brandon wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> According to the manual these were designed to be placed in a vertical
> position. I have read articles on speaker placement and they say most speakers
> are designed to have the listeners ear at a level height with the tweeter
> OR level with the space between the tweeter and the woofer. I notice that
> the phantom center shifts up and down in front of me as I change my ear level
> in relation to the tweeters. It is written that there is an optimal listening
> position when considering phase relation between the tweeter and the woofer.
> I wrote to Mackie and there response was:
>
> "As long as you are a descent distance away from the cabinets, a meter
> or so, I don't think it matters. Put them in a horizontal plane with
> your head and stay a good bit away from them. You should be fine. msp"
>
> This response goes against how the speakers were designed to be mounted and
> listened thru.....So........
> Does anyone know the optimal positioning?and why?
>
> Thanks,
> Brandon

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Re: HR824 placement [message #68899 is a reply to message #68897]

Sat, 03 June 2006 08:57

Bill Lorentzen

Messages: 140
Registered: June 2005

Senior Member

Horizontal plane is not the same thing as place them horizontally.

Still, the guy who answered obviously was far from expert. Some tips from my
experience:

If possible a yard from front wall
Equilateral triangle
Remove any objects fron the space in the triangle and as much as you can
remove any objects from the plane of the triangle
Auim the tweets at ear.

Bill

"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:4481a5f0$1@linux...
>
> Hi All,
>
> According to the manual these were designed to be placed in a vertical
> position. I have read articles on speaker placement and they say most
> speakers
> are designed to have the listeners ear at a level height with the tweeter
> OR level with the space between the tweeter and the woofer. I notice that
> the phantom center shifts up and down in front of me as I change my ear
> level
> in relation to the tweeters. It is written that there is an optimal
> listening
> position when considering phase relation between the tweeter and the
> woofer.
> I wrote to Mackie and there response was:
>
> "As long as you are a descent distance away from the cabinets, a meter
> or so, I don't think it matters. Put them in a horizontal plane with
> your head and stay a good bit away from them. You should be fine. msp"
>
> This response goes against how the speakers were designed to be mounted
> and
> listened thru.....So........
> Does anyone know the optimal positioning?and why?
>
> Thanks,
> Brandon
>

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Re: HR824 placement [message #68904 is a reply to message #68898]

Sat, 03 June 2006 09:37

John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005

Senior Member

That technique works perfectly. If you do it like that you will get the best
sweet spot where the stereo imaging is the most 3d.

I have little 2x4 blocks to aim the speakers down when I"m sitting mixing
and straight when I'm standing playing. It keeps the sweet spot ideal.

John

EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>Ideally, the speaker should be as far away from your ears as they are
>apart from each other (equal sided triangle). Also, the cabinets
>should be aiming at you with the center of the cabinet at right angles
>to your head. This means that if you have the cabinets sitting lower
>than your head, you should tilt them up slightly, and tilt down if
>they are over your head.
>
>Just a rule of thumb... YMMV
>
>David.
>
>Brandon wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> According to the manual these were designed to be placed in a vertical
>> position. I have read articles on speaker placement and they say most
speakers
>> are designed to have the listeners ear at a level height with the tweeter
>> OR level with the space between the tweeter and the woofer. I notice that
>> the phantom center shifts up and down in front of me as I change my ear
level
>> in relation to the tweeters. It is written that there is an optimal listening
>> position when considering phase relation between the tweeter and the woofer.
>> I wrote to Mackie and there response was:
>>
>> "As long as you are a descent distance away from the cabinets, a meter

>> or so, I don't think it matters. Put them in a horizontal plane with
>> your head and stay a good bit away from them. You should be fine. msp"
>>
>> This response goes against how the speakers were designed to be mounted
and
>> listened thru.....So........
>> Does anyone know the optimal positioning?and why?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brandon

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Re: HR824 placement [message #68908 is a reply to message #68899]

Sat, 03 June 2006 10:17

Don Nafe

Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005

Senior Member

My Speakers (Modified Noteperfect Alpha Pros) are

34" off the floor
31" off the front wall
25" off the side walls
80" apart

in a room 10' X 19' 10" X 95"

DOn

"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> wrote in message
news:4481b042$1@linux...
> Horizontal plane is not the same thing as place them horizontally.
>
> Still, the guy who answered obviously was far from expert. Some tips from
> my experience:
>
> If possible a yard from front wall
> Equilateral triangle
> Remove any objects fron the space in the triangle and as much as you can
> remove any objects from the plane of the triangle
> Auim the tweets at ear.
>
> Bill
>
> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:4481a5f0$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> According to the manual these were designed to be placed in a vertical
>> position. I have read articles on speaker placement and they say most
>> speakers
>> are designed to have the listeners ear at a level height with the tweeter
>> OR level with the space between the tweeter and the woofer. I notice that
>> the phantom center shifts up and down in front of me as I change my ear
>> level
>> in relation to the tweeters. It is written that there is an optimal
>> listening
>> position when considering phase relation between the tweeter and the
>> woofer.
>> I wrote to Mackie and there response was:
>>
>> "As long as you are a descent distance away from the cabinets, a meter
>> or so, I don't think it matters. Put them in a horizontal plane with
>> your head and stay a good bit away from them. You should be fine. msp"
>>
>> This response goes against how the speakers were designed to be mounted
>> and
>> listened thru.....So........
>> Does anyone know the optimal positioning?and why?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brandon
>>
>
>

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Re: HR824 placement [message #68911 is a reply to message #68898]

Sat, 03 June 2006 11:52

El Miguel [1]
Messages: 6
Registered: November 2005

Junior Member

When you say the center of the cabs should be at right angles you mean facing
straight back and not angled directly at the ear?

I have researched many diagrams and the most common one is the 60degree equalateral
triangle. This is recommended as follows:
1.Speaker centers 4-6 feet apart.
2.Listener positioned in an equalateral triangular position.
3.Speaker cab centers angled to point just behind the head of the listener
(directly at each ear).

EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>Ideally, the speaker should be as far away from your ears as they are
>apart from each other (equal sided triangle). Also, the cabinets
>should be aiming at you with the center of the cabinet at right angles
>to your head. This means that if you have the cabinets sitting lower
>than your head, you should tilt them up slightly, and tilt down if
>they are over your head.
>
>Just a rule of thumb... YMMV
>
>David.
>
>Brandon wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> According to the manual these were designed to be placed in a vertical
>> position. I have read articles on speaker placement and they say most
speakers
>> are designed to have the listeners ear at a level height with the tweeter
>> OR level with the space between the tweeter and the woofer. I notice that
>> the phantom center shifts up and down in front of me as I change my ear
level
>> in relation to the tweeters. It is written that there is an optimal listening
>> position when considering phase relation between the tweeter and the woofer.
>> I wrote to Mackie and there response was:
>>
>> "As long as you are a descent distance away from the cabinets, a meter

>> or so, I don't think it matters. Put them in a horizontal plane with
>> your head and stay a good bit away from them. You should be fine. msp"
>>
>> This response goes against how the speakers were designed to be mounted
and
>> listened thru.....So........
>> Does anyone know the optimal positioning?and why?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brandon

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Re: HR824 placement [message #68915 is a reply to message #68911]

Sat, 03 June 2006 13:56

EK Sound

Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005

Senior Member

That is essentially what I meant... it is kinda tough to describe
geometry...

David.

Brandon wrote:

> When you say the center of the cabs should be at right angles you mean facing
> straight back and not angled directly at the ear?
>
> I have researched many diagrams and the most common one is the 60degree equalateral
> triangle. This is recommended as follows:
> 1.Speaker centers 4-6 feet apart.
> 2.Listener positioned in an equalateral triangular position.
> 3.Speaker cab centers angled to point just behind the head of the listener
> (directly at each ear).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>Ideally, the speaker should be as far away from your ears as they are
>>apart from each other (equal sided triangle). Also, the cabinets
>>should be aiming at you with the center of the cabinet at right angles
>>to your head. This means that if you have the cabinets sitting lower
>>than your head, you should tilt them up slightly, and tilt down if
>>they are over your head.
>>
>>Just a rule of thumb... YMMV
>>
>>David.
>>
>>Brandon wrote:
>>
>>>Hi All,
>>>
>>> According to the manual these were designed to be placed in a vertical
>>>position. I have read articles on speaker placement and they say most
>
> speakers
>
>>>are designed to have the listeners ear at a level height with the tweeter
>>>OR level with the space between the tweeter and the woofer. I notice that
>>>the phantom center shifts up and down in front of me as I change my ear
>
> level
>
>>>in relation to the tweeters. It is written that there is an optimal listening
>>>position when considering phase relation between the tweeter and the woofer.
>>>I wrote to Mackie and there response was:
>>>
>>>"As long as you are a descent distance away from the cabinets, a meter
>
>
>>>or so, I don't think it matters. Put them in a horizontal plane with
>>>your head and stay a good bit away from them. You should be fine. msp"
>>>
>>>This response goes against how the speakers were designed to be mounted
>
> and
>
>>>listened thru.....So........
>>>Does anyone know the optimal positioning?and why?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Brandon
>
>

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Re: HR824 placement [message #68916 is a reply to message #68915]

Sat, 03 June 2006 13:56

El Miguel [1]
Messages: 6
Registered: November 2005

Junior Member

Thanks for the input guys.
I will out the tweeters level with the ear.

EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>That is essentially what I meant... it is kinda tough to describe
>geometry...
>
>David.
>
>Brandon wrote:
>
>> When you say the center of the cabs should be at right angles you mean
facing
>> straight back and not angled directly at the ear?
>>
>> I have researched many diagrams and the most common one is the 60degree
equalateral
>> triangle. This is recommended as follows:
>> 1.Speaker centers 4-6 feet apart.
>> 2.Listener positioned in an equalateral triangular position.
>> 3.Speaker cab centers angled to point just behind the head of the listener
>> (directly at each ear).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Ideally, the speaker should be as far away from your ears as they are

>>>apart from each other (equal sided triangle). Also, the cabinets
>>>should be aiming at you with the center of the cabinet at right angles

>>>to your head. This means that if you have the cabinets sitting lower

>>>than your head, you should tilt them up slightly, and tilt down if
>>>they are over your head.
>>>
>>>Just a rule of thumb... YMMV
>>>
>>>David.
>>>
>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> According to the manual these were designed to be placed in a vertical
>>>>position. I have read articles on speaker placement and they say most
>>
>> speakers
>>
>>>>are designed to have the listeners ear at a level height with the tweeter
>>>>OR level with the space between the tweeter and the woofer. I notice
that
>>>>the phantom center shifts up and down in front of me as I change my ear
>>
>> level
>>
>>>>in relation to the tweeters. It is written that there is an optimal listening
>>>>position when considering phase relation between the tweeter and the
woofer.
>>>>I wrote to Mackie and there response was:
>>>>
>>>>"As long as you are a descent distance away from the cabinets, a meter
>>
>>
>>>>or so, I don't think it matters. Put them in a horizontal plane with

>>>>your head and stay a good bit away from them. You should be fine. msp"
>>>>
>>>>This response goes against how the speakers were designed to be mounted
>>
>> and
>>
>>>>listened thru.....So........
>>>>Does anyone know the optimal positioning?and why?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Brandon
>>
>>

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