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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88825 is a reply to message #88822] |
Wed, 08 August 2007 10:45   |
excelav
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Registered: July 2005
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Thank you LaMont, I'm glad you can appreciate the post.
Hey John, I'm just giving the Mac users and anybody else that's interested
a heads up. With in the iLife 08' suite is GarageBand 08'. GB is a great
little tool, I use it for quick song writing, composing, arranging, others
here have used it also. GB 08' has been improved with new features including
24bit file handling. On the multi media side, guys like Jamie and others
might be interested in knowing that there are new versions of Keynote, iDVD,
iMovie, with new file format handling. As far as the new iMacs go they
have a model with a 24 LCD that uses 2.8Ghz Core 2 Extreme processors, for
some guys that might be news.
I am no longer a computer dealer, I get no monetary benefit from any thing
I post here. Just information, no SPAM.
I do find it funny, that often when anything Apple is mentioned, it's "crap",
or there is some kind of bashing.
"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
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>I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple crap. That's
>what apple forums are for.
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88827 is a reply to message #88825] |
Wed, 08 August 2007 11:11 |
Dedric Terry
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I have no problem with OT posts as long as they aren't selling something,
which none of these are.
Info is good. I don't use a Mac at the moment, but my wife does and I
frequent this group more than Apple's site,
so it can be helpful even for a PC user like me.
And if (I know, that's a big *if*) Apple releases OSX to the retail world at
large, I do want to know, though I'll probably be 178 and a bit dusty by
then. ;-))
Dedric
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:46ba0148$1@linux...
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> Thank you LaMont, I'm glad you can appreciate the post.
>
> Hey John, I'm just giving the Mac users and anybody else that's interested
> a heads up. With in the iLife 08' suite is GarageBand 08'. GB is a
> great
> little tool, I use it for quick song writing, composing, arranging, others
> here have used it also. GB 08' has been improved with new features
> including
> 24bit file handling. On the multi media side, guys like Jamie and others
> might be interested in knowing that there are new versions of Keynote,
> iDVD,
> iMovie, with new file format handling. As far as the new iMacs go they
> have a model with a 24 LCD that uses 2.8Ghz Core 2 Extreme processors, for
> some guys that might be news.
>
> I am no longer a computer dealer, I get no monetary benefit from any thing
> I post here. Just information, no SPAM.
>
> I do find it funny, that often when anything Apple is mentioned, it's
> "crap",
> or there is some kind of bashing.
>
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple crap.
>>That's
>>what apple forums are for.
>
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88839 is a reply to message #88837] |
Thu, 09 August 2007 00:27 |
JeffH
Messages: 307
Registered: October 2007
Location: Wamic, OR
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Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops (small
business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.). No extra
software or extended warranties.
THe verdict:
Dell Vostro 15" $1443
Macbook Pro 15" $2074
Still a ways to go.
JH
> I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
> Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
> are out there.
>
> I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
> & price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
> LOL!
>
> Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>
>>Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a general purpose
>>"music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty much on
>>topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive or taking
>>over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of the politics
>>stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know quite a
>
> number
>
>>of people get irritated by it.
>>
>>I'm not going to go to an Apple group for Apple updates but like to know
>>what's going on in Apple land so...
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>>
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>>It's 100 degrees in the shade here. I think I'm delirious.
>>>
>>>"Chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Man what's up with you today? People post about all kinds of stuff here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Chuck
>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple crap.
>
>
>>That's
>>
>>>>>what apple forums are for.
>>>>
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88852 is a reply to message #88839] |
Thu, 09 August 2007 08:09 |
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But, Jeff you are not factoring in Apples software that comes bundled with
the Powerbook..( iLife,Iwork,Garage band..etc).
Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops (small
>business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.). No extra
>software or extended warranties.
>
>THe verdict:
>
>Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>
>Still a ways to go.
>
>JH
>> I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>> Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>> are out there.
>>
>> I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>> & price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>> LOL!
>>
>> Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a general purpose
>>>"music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty much
on
>>>topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive or taking
>>>over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of the politics
>>>stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know quite
a
>>
>> number
>>
>>>of people get irritated by it.
>>>
>>>I'm not going to go to an Apple group for Apple updates but like to know
>>>what's going on in Apple land so...
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Kim.
>>>
>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>It's 100 degrees in the shade here. I think I'm delirious.
>>>>
>>>>"Chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Man what's up with you today? People post about all kinds of stuff
here.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Chuck
>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple crap.
>>
>>
>>>That's
>>>
>>>>>>what apple forums are for.
>>>>>
>>
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88853 is a reply to message #88852] |
Thu, 09 August 2007 08:58 |
JeffH
Messages: 307
Registered: October 2007
Location: Wamic, OR
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LaMont,
Actually on the macbook I configured, iwork was a $79 upgrade. I was
thinking in terms of "I want a machine to run my DAW on". Love to have
Cubase 4 bundled, but it's not there on either side.
JH
> But, Jeff you are not factoring in Apples software that comes bundled with
> the Powerbook..( iLife,Iwork,Garage band..etc).
>
>
>
> Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>
>>Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops (small
>>business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>>possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.). No extra
>
>
>>software or extended warranties.
>>
>>THe verdict:
>>
>>Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>>Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>>
>>Still a ways to go.
>>
>>JH
>>
>>>I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>>>Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>>>are out there.
>>>
>>>I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>>>& price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>>>LOL!
>>>
>>>Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>>
>>>
>>>Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a general purpose
>>>>"music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty much
>
> on
>
>>>>topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive or taking
>>>>over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of the politics
>>>>stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know quite
>
> a
>
>>>number
>>>
>>>
>>>>of people get irritated by it.
>>>>
>>>>I'm not going to go to an Apple group for Apple updates but like to know
>>>>what's going on in Apple land so...
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Kim.
>>>>
>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>It's 100 degrees in the shade here. I think I'm delirious.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Man what's up with you today? People post about all kinds of stuff
>
> here.
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chuck
>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple crap.
>>>
>>>
>>>>That's
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>what apple forums are for.
>>>>>>
>
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88854 is a reply to message #88839] |
Thu, 09 August 2007 09:48 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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It's hard to get a good comparison because they don't quite match up exactly.
They do have a ways to go, however, there are a few things to consider with
Apple. The value is hard to see unless you really look at what your getting
for the money. With Apple you get a printer for free after rebate, that's
$100.00. With the educational discount you would get 10% off and get a free
iPod, that's four to five hundred bucks. With the ADC discount you can get
20% off the price of a new Mac. The software that comes with a Mac like
the iLife suite, Front Row multi media software with the Apple remote, iChat
AV etc. would be in the $500.00 to $600.00 range if you had to purchase something
comparable for the Dell. The operating system is also something to really
consider. Of course some people don't need a free printer, iPod, and will
never use a program like Photo Booth, so it really depends on your needs
and what you want.
One other point, and it's a bit of a stretch. If you were looking at cars,
and one had a plastic body and the other had an aluminum body, you would
expect to pay more for the aluminum body. The MacBook Pro has an air craft
grade hardened aluminum body. The case is aluminum, not just a thin aluminum
cover over plastic or an entire plastic case.
By the way, the prices on MacBook Pros will drop, the machines will get faster,
and they will have the new operating system loaded between Oct. and Jan 08",
so you might want to wait, if your actually considering a MacBook Pro.
Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops (small
>business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.). No extra
>software or extended warranties.
>
>THe verdict:
>
>Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>
>Still a ways to go.
>
>JH
>> I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>> Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>> are out there.
>>
>> I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>> & price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>> LOL!
>>
>> Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a general purpose
>>>"music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty much
on
>>>topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive or taking
>>>over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of the politics
>>>stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know quite
a
>>
>> number
>>
>>>of people get irritated by it.
>>>
>>>I'm not going to go to an Apple group for Apple updates but like to know
>>>what's going on in Apple land so...
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Kim.
>>>
>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>It's 100 degrees in the shade here. I think I'm delirious.
>>>>
>>>>"Chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Man what's up with you today? People post about all kinds of stuff
here.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Chuck
>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple crap.
>>
>>
>>>That's
>>>
>>>>>>what apple forums are for.
>>>>>
>>
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88855 is a reply to message #88854] |
Thu, 09 August 2007 09:52 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Why do you always bring up the "educational discount" that's
irrelevant for nearly eveyone on the NG?
Neil
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>It's hard to get a good comparison because they don't quite match up exactly.
> They do have a ways to go, however, there are a few things to consider
with
>Apple. The value is hard to see unless you really look at what your getting
>for the money. With Apple you get a printer for free after rebate, that's
>$100.00. With the educational discount you would get 10% off and get a
free
>iPod, that's four to five hundred bucks. With the ADC discount you can
get
>20% off the price of a new Mac. The software that comes with a Mac like
>the iLife suite, Front Row multi media software with the Apple remote, iChat
>AV etc. would be in the $500.00 to $600.00 range if you had to purchase
something
>comparable for the Dell. The operating system is also something to really
>consider. Of course some people don't need a free printer, iPod, and will
>never use a program like Photo Booth, so it really depends on your needs
>and what you want.
>
>One other point, and it's a bit of a stretch. If you were looking at cars,
>and one had a plastic body and the other had an aluminum body, you would
>expect to pay more for the aluminum body. The MacBook Pro has an air craft
>grade hardened aluminum body. The case is aluminum, not just a thin aluminum
>cover over plastic or an entire plastic case.
>
>By the way, the prices on MacBook Pros will drop, the machines will get
faster,
>and they will have the new operating system loaded between Oct. and Jan
08",
>so you might want to wait, if your actually considering a MacBook Pro.
>
>
>Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops (small
>>business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>>possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.). No extra
>
>>software or extended warranties.
>>
>>THe verdict:
>>
>>Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>>Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>>
>>Still a ways to go.
>>
>>JH
>>> I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>>> Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>>> are out there.
>>>
>>> I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>>> & price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>>
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a general purpose
>>>>"music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty much
>on
>>>>topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive or taking
>>>>over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of the politics
>>>>stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know quite
>a
>>>
>>> number
>>>
>>>>of people get irritated by it.
>>>>
>>>>I'm not going to go to an Apple group for Apple updates but like to know
>>>>what's going on in Apple land so...
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Kim.
>>>>
>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>It's 100 degrees in the shade here. I think I'm delirious.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Man what's up with you today? People post about all kinds of stuff
>here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chuck
>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple crap.
>>>
>>>
>>>>That's
>>>>
>>>>>>>what apple forums are for.
>>>>>>
>>>
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88856 is a reply to message #88855] |
Thu, 09 August 2007 09:59 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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Some people qualify so it's a good that James mentioned it. If you're
taking classes or teaching classes it's worth knowing about!
Just FYI, here's another discount: Amazon offers rebates, usually around
$150.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Neil wrote:
> Why do you always bring up the "educational discount" that's
> irrelevant for nearly eveyone on the NG?
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> It's hard to get a good comparison because they don't quite match up exactly.
>> They do have a ways to go, however, there are a few things to consider
> with
>> Apple. The value is hard to see unless you really look at what your getting
>> for the money. With Apple you get a printer for free after rebate, that's
>> $100.00. With the educational discount you would get 10% off and get a
> free
>> iPod, that's four to five hundred bucks. With the ADC discount you can
> get
>> 20% off the price of a new Mac. The software that comes with a Mac like
>> the iLife suite, Front Row multi media software with the Apple remote, iChat
>> AV etc. would be in the $500.00 to $600.00 range if you had to purchase
> something
>> comparable for the Dell. The operating system is also something to really
>> consider. Of course some people don't need a free printer, iPod, and will
>> never use a program like Photo Booth, so it really depends on your needs
>> and what you want.
>>
>> One other point, and it's a bit of a stretch. If you were looking at cars,
>> and one had a plastic body and the other had an aluminum body, you would
>> expect to pay more for the aluminum body. The MacBook Pro has an air craft
>> grade hardened aluminum body. The case is aluminum, not just a thin aluminum
>> cover over plastic or an entire plastic case.
>>
>> By the way, the prices on MacBook Pros will drop, the machines will get
> faster,
>> and they will have the new operating system loaded between Oct. and Jan
> 08",
>> so you might want to wait, if your actually considering a MacBook Pro.
>
>>
>> Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>> Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops (small
>>> business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>>> possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.). No extra
>>> software or extended warranties.
>>>
>>> THe verdict:
>>>
>>> Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>>> Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>>>
>>> Still a ways to go.
>>>
>>> JH
>>>> I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>>>> Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>>>> are out there.
>>>>
>>>> I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>>>> & price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>>>> LOL!
>>>>
>>>> Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a general purpose
>>>>> "music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty much
>> on
>>>>> topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive or taking
>>>>> over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of the politics
>>>>> stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know quite
>> a
>>>> number
>>>>
>>>>> of people get irritated by it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not going to go to an Apple group for Apple updates but like to know
>>>>> what's going on in Apple land so...
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Kim.
>>>>>
>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's 100 degrees in the shade here. I think I'm delirious.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Man what's up with you today? People post about all kinds of stuff
>> here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple crap.
>>>>
>>>>> That's
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> what apple forums are for.
>
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88857 is a reply to message #88855] |
Thu, 09 August 2007 10:12 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Because it is an available discount. I'm just pointing out the different
discounts.
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Why do you always bring up the "educational discount" that's
>irrelevant for nearly eveyone on the NG?
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>It's hard to get a good comparison because they don't quite match up exactly.
>> They do have a ways to go, however, there are a few things to consider
>with
>>Apple. The value is hard to see unless you really look at what your getting
>>for the money. With Apple you get a printer for free after rebate, that's
>>$100.00. With the educational discount you would get 10% off and get a
>free
>>iPod, that's four to five hundred bucks. With the ADC discount you can
>get
>>20% off the price of a new Mac. The software that comes with a Mac like
>>the iLife suite, Front Row multi media software with the Apple remote,
iChat
>>AV etc. would be in the $500.00 to $600.00 range if you had to purchase
>something
>>comparable for the Dell. The operating system is also something to really
>>consider. Of course some people don't need a free printer, iPod, and
will
>>never use a program like Photo Booth, so it really depends on your needs
>>and what you want.
>>
>>One other point, and it's a bit of a stretch. If you were looking at cars,
>>and one had a plastic body and the other had an aluminum body, you would
>>expect to pay more for the aluminum body. The MacBook Pro has an air craft
>>grade hardened aluminum body. The case is aluminum, not just a thin aluminum
>>cover over plastic or an entire plastic case.
>>
>>By the way, the prices on MacBook Pros will drop, the machines will get
>faster,
>>and they will have the new operating system loaded between Oct. and Jan
>08",
>>so you might want to wait, if your actually considering a MacBook Pro.
>
>>
>>
>>Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>>Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops (small
>>>business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>>>possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.). No extra
>>
>>>software or extended warranties.
>>>
>>>THe verdict:
>>>
>>>Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>>>Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>>>
>>>Still a ways to go.
>>>
>>>JH
>>>> I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>>>> Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>>>> are out there.
>>>>
>>>> I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>>>> & price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>>>> LOL!
>>>>
>>>> Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a general purpose
>>>>>"music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty much
>>on
>>>>>topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive or
taking
>>>>>over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of the politics
>>>>>stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know quite
>>a
>>>>
>>>> number
>>>>
>>>>>of people get irritated by it.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm not going to go to an Apple group for Apple updates but like to
know
>>>>>what's going on in Apple land so...
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>Kim.
>>>>>
>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>It's 100 degrees in the shade here. I think I'm delirious.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Man what's up with you today? People post about all kinds of stuff
>>here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Chuck
>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple crap.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>That's
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>what apple forums are for.
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88858 is a reply to message #88855] |
Thu, 09 August 2007 10:20 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
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The discount is fairly broad:
For institutions: If you are a qualifying school, college or university (including
most private/public schools, TAFEs and universities) you may be eligible
for institutional discounts. You can determine whether your school qualifies
at the entry page to Apple’s education store. If you are not a qualifying
institution, contact Apple directly to determine how you might be able to
qualify.
For educators: If you are a member of staff (academic or non-academic) at
any qualifying institution, you are eligible for educator discounts. Proof
of eligibility, such as a recent payslip or staff card, is usually required.
For students: If you are a student (full time or part time) currently studying
at, or accepted into, a qualifying higher education institution (ie universities,
colleges but not high schools or primary schools) then you may be eligible
for student discounts. Proof of eligibility, such as a student card or enrolment
record, is usually required. Note that high school students are not eligible
for the discount.
For parents: In addition, as of April 2007 Apple has extended the discount
to parents buying on behalf of students currently studying at or accepted
into a qualifying higher educational institution. Note again, this does not
mean parents of high school students, but presumably from the moment you
are offered a place at a qualifying institution, your parents will be able
to use the discount on your behalf. Presumably, purchases made on behalf
of a student contribute to their annual purchasing limits, so it is not a
way to subvert the purchasing limits.
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Why do you always bring up the "educational discount" that's
>irrelevant for nearly eveyone on the NG?
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>It's hard to get a good comparison because they don't quite match up exactly.
>> They do have a ways to go, however, there are a few things to consider
>with
>>Apple. The value is hard to see unless you really look at what your getting
>>for the money. With Apple you get a printer for free after rebate, that's
>>$100.00. With the educational discount you would get 10% off and get a
>free
>>iPod, that's four to five hundred bucks. With the ADC discount you can
>get
>>20% off the price of a new Mac. The software that comes with a Mac like
>>the iLife suite, Front Row multi media software with the Apple remote,
iChat
>>AV etc. would be in the $500.00 to $600.00 range if you had to purchase
>something
>>comparable for the Dell. The operating system is also something to really
>>consider. Of course some people don't need a free printer, iPod, and
will
>>never use a program like Photo Booth, so it really depends on your needs
>>and what you want.
>>
>>One other point, and it's a bit of a stretch. If you were looking at cars,
>>and one had a plastic body and the other had an aluminum body, you would
>>expect to pay more for the aluminum body. The MacBook Pro has an air craft
>>grade hardened aluminum body. The case is aluminum, not just a thin aluminum
>>cover over plastic or an entire plastic case.
>>
>>By the way, the prices on MacBook Pros will drop, the machines will get
>faster,
>>and they will have the new operating system loaded between Oct. and Jan
>08",
>>so you might want to wait, if your actually considering a MacBook Pro.
>
>>
>>
>>Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>>Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops (small
>>>business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>>>possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.). No extra
>>
>>>software or extended warranties.
>>>
>>>THe verdict:
>>>
>>>Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>>>Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>>>
>>>Still a ways to go.
>>>
>>>JH
>>>> I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>>>> Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>>>> are out there.
>>>>
>>>> I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>>>> & price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>>>> LOL!
>>>>
>>>> Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a general purpose
>>>>>"music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty much
>>on
>>>>>topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive or
taking
>>>>>over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of the politics
>>>>>stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know quite
>>a
>>>>
>>>> number
>>>>
>>>>>of people get irritated by it.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm not going to go to an Apple group for Apple updates but like to
know
>>>>>what's going on in Apple land so...
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>Kim.
>>>>>
>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>It's 100 degrees in the shade here. I think I'm delirious.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Man what's up with you today? People post about all kinds of stuff
>>here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Chuck
>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple crap.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>That's
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>what apple forums are for.
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88868 is a reply to message #88839] |
Thu, 09 August 2007 13:52 |
Steve Helm
Messages: 37
Registered: April 2006
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Yeah, but having the stability and security of OS-X is worth much more than
the difference in price between a PC and Mac.... especially in a pro environment.
Steve
Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops (small
>business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.). No extra
>software or extended warranties.
>
>THe verdict:
>
>Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>
>Still a ways to go.
>
>JH
>> I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>> Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>> are out there.
>>
>> I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>> & price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>> LOL!
>>
>> Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a general purpose
>>>"music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty much
on
>>>topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive or taking
>>>over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of the politics
>>>stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know quite
a
>>
>> number
>>
>>>of people get irritated by it.
>>>
>>>I'm not going to go to an Apple group for Apple updates but like to know
>>>what's going on in Apple land so...
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Kim.
>>>
>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>It's 100 degrees in the shade here. I think I'm delirious.
>>>>
>>>>"Chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Man what's up with you today? People post about all kinds of stuff
here.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Chuck
>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple crap.
>>
>>
>>>That's
>>>
>>>>>>what apple forums are for.
>>>>>
>>
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88878 is a reply to message #88868] |
Thu, 09 August 2007 19:23 |
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I agree..after we complete this cd project i'll be moving on to our new Mac
Pro(4 core) running Nuendo, PT and the new Apple Logic.
I'm really burned out with XP and viruses..with getting on the internet..sorry
but u like being able to go on the internet on my daw.
I'll covert my current dual opteron daw into a dedicated vsti machine.
LAD
"Steve Helm" <shelm@radford.edu> wrote:
>
>Yeah, but having the stability and security of OS-X is worth much more than
>the difference in price between a PC and Mac.... especially in a pro environment.
>
>Steve
>
>Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops (small
>>business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>>possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.). No extra
>
>>software or extended warranties.
>>
>>THe verdict:
>>
>>Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>>Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>>
>>Still a ways to go.
>>
>>JH
>>> I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>>> Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>>> are out there.
>>>
>>> I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>>> & price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>>
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a general purpose
>>>>"music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty much
>on
>>>>topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive or taking
>>>>over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of the politics
>>>>stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know quite
>a
>>>
>>> number
>>>
>>>>of people get irritated by it.
>>>>
>>>>I'm not going to go to an Apple group for Apple updates but like to know
>>>>what's going on in Apple land so...
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Kim.
>>>>
>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>It's 100 degrees in the shade here. I think I'm delirious.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Man what's up with you today? People post about all kinds of stuff
>here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chuck
>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple crap.
>>>
>>>
>>>>That's
>>>>
>>>>>>>what apple forums are for.
>>>>>>
>>>
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88880 is a reply to message #88878] |
Thu, 09 August 2007 20:27 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Hey Lamont - my rig only goes online to grab updates to audio apps,
registration/response codes (which is getting annoying), but never a problem
with that. But even on the net PC that's online all day with email, Skype,
etc, never had a virus, spyware, or malware. If OSX would only stop spam
mail from being sent (not filtered, but shot down at the source via a large
burst of electricity designed to fry any and all spammer computers, Apple
would really have something.... ;-)
Let me know how Nuendo runs on your new Mac though, seriously. You'll have
to wait for N4 to run on the dual core 2 Mac under OSX at least (should be
soon). I would be most interested in a head to head comparison of plugin
counts in the same project under Nuendo, not just similar projects, but
identical.
The last report I read comparing XP to OSX for DAW performance was from
Derek (used to be on this NG) - German Keyboards compared them and
apparently (I don't read German to confirm) XP won on plugin count and low
latency by a noticeable margin on the same hardware (even when run on the
same system as OSX via Bootcamp). He said even Logic ran better outside
OSX, but I'm not sure how that comparison was made since Logic 5 (Win) and
Logic 7 (OSX) might not be comparable. If OSX was a standalone OS, I would
buy it to have both and compare, but the fastest processing, lowest
bloat-factor OS would inevitably be the DAW system of choice for me.
Regards,
Dedric
On 8/9/07 8:23 PM, in article 46bbcc3f$1@linux, "lamont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> I agree..after we complete this cd project i'll be moving on to our new Mac
> Pro(4 core) running Nuendo, PT and the new Apple Logic.
>
> I'm really burned out with XP and viruses..with getting on the internet..sorry
> but u like being able to go on the internet on my daw.
>
> I'll covert my current dual opteron daw into a dedicated vsti machine.
>
> LAD
>
> "Steve Helm" <shelm@radford.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, but having the stability and security of OS-X is worth much more than
>> the difference in price between a PC and Mac.... especially in a pro
>> environment.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>> Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops (small
>>> business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>>> possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.). No extra
>>
>>> software or extended warranties.
>>>
>>> THe verdict:
>>>
>>> Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>>> Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>>>
>>> Still a ways to go.
>>>
>>> JH
>>>> I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>>>> Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>>>> are out there.
>>>>
>>>> I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>>>> & price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>>>> LOL!
>>>>
>>>> Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a general purpose
>>>>> "music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty much
>> on
>>>>> topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive or taking
>>>>> over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of the
>>>>> politics
>>>>> stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know quite
>> a
>>>>
>>>> number
>>>>
>>>>> of people get irritated by it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not going to go to an Apple group for Apple updates but like to know
>>>>> what's going on in Apple land so...
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Kim.
>>>>>
>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's 100 degrees in the shade here. I think I'm delirious.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Man what's up with you today? People post about all kinds of stuff
>> here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple crap.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> That's
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> what apple forums are for.
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88888 is a reply to message #88880] |
Fri, 10 August 2007 08:16 |
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Hey Dedric,. The reason for this change is that Iwas over to a buddys studio
who btw runs PT-HD(8) Accel!! Yikes!! :) witha DM-2000.
But, since his studio is commercial he has to run all the major DAWs. Cubase
3 is one of them. His DAW computer in Studio A is an G5 (Quad-non Intel)...
Well, I ask him to do me a favor and let me see how Cubase SX3 runs on his
Mac. So, for testting we imported various wav files from ProTool sessions.
Around 80 track..
We then activated 5 verbs on the sends.. Activated the on-board Eq(all 4
bands). Called up about 20 Ren Comps..
Hit the space bar..
Ran liek a champ.. No skips hiccups.. Nothing...Mean while...In the back
round. we were surfing the web ...Had about 4 pages open, along with ....Pro
Tools (HD) still open with a session..!!
I was sold.. Because.. I assumes this machine as was one of newer (Intel)
bases Macs Pros.. Nope..The G5 quad.
Solid.. Solid Solid..
Don't get me wrong, my AMD Opteron PCs are solid as well, but, OS_X and the
ability to run XP as well, is a very powerful tandem to beat..
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Hey Lamont - my rig only goes online to grab updates to audio apps,
>registration/response codes (which is getting annoying), but never a problem
>with that. But even on the net PC that's online all day with email, Skype,
>etc, never had a virus, spyware, or malware. If OSX would only stop spam
>mail from being sent (not filtered, but shot down at the source via a large
>burst of electricity designed to fry any and all spammer computers, Apple
>would really have something.... ;-)
>
>Let me know how Nuendo runs on your new Mac though, seriously. You'll have
>to wait for N4 to run on the dual core 2 Mac under OSX at least (should
be
>soon). I would be most interested in a head to head comparison of plugin
>counts in the same project under Nuendo, not just similar projects, but
>identical.
>
>The last report I read comparing XP to OSX for DAW performance was from
>Derek (used to be on this NG) - German Keyboards compared them and
>apparently (I don't read German to confirm) XP won on plugin count and low
>latency by a noticeable margin on the same hardware (even when run on the
>same system as OSX via Bootcamp). He said even Logic ran better outside
>OSX, but I'm not sure how that comparison was made since Logic 5 (Win) and
>Logic 7 (OSX) might not be comparable. If OSX was a standalone OS, I would
>buy it to have both and compare, but the fastest processing, lowest
>bloat-factor OS would inevitably be the DAW system of choice for me.
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>On 8/9/07 8:23 PM, in article 46bbcc3f$1@linux, "lamont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> I agree..after we complete this cd project i'll be moving on to our new
Mac
>> Pro(4 core) running Nuendo, PT and the new Apple Logic.
>>
>> I'm really burned out with XP and viruses..with getting on the internet..sorry
>> but u like being able to go on the internet on my daw.
>>
>> I'll covert my current dual opteron daw into a dedicated vsti machine.
>>
>> LAD
>>
>> "Steve Helm" <shelm@radford.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, but having the stability and security of OS-X is worth much more
than
>>> the difference in price between a PC and Mac.... especially in a pro
>>> environment.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>>> Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops (small
>>>> business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>>>> possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.). No extra
>>>
>>>> software or extended warranties.
>>>>
>>>> THe verdict:
>>>>
>>>> Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>>>> Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>>>>
>>>> Still a ways to go.
>>>>
>>>> JH
>>>>> I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>>>>> Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>>>>> are out there.
>>>>>
>>>>> I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>>>>> & price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a general
purpose
>>>>>> "music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty
much
>>> on
>>>>>> topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive or
taking
>>>>>> over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of the
>>>>>> politics
>>>>>> stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know quite
>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>> number
>>>>>
>>>>>> of people get irritated by it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not going to go to an Apple group for Apple updates but like to
know
>>>>>> what's going on in Apple land so...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Kim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's 100 degrees in the shade here. I think I'm delirious.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Man what's up with you today? People post about all kinds of stuff
>>> here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple
crap.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> what apple forums are for.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88889 is a reply to message #88888] |
Fri, 10 August 2007 09:06 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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The interesting comparison would be to actually run the exact same project
on Cubase 4 under OSX and XP. 80 tracks and 5 verbs and 20 ren comps and
stock EQ wouldn't make my core 2 sweat either (I've run way more than that
with only 30% cpu load or so).
Remember, the new macs are the exact same hardware as any core 2 or dual
core 2 PC, though the components may not be as high end as I might build for
one of my rigs. The German Keyboards mag review apparently found XP to run
more plugins than OSX on the same hardware (intel dual core 2s).
Basically all you are getting is a nice box with a different OS. It might
be better multi-threaded - I would like to see some actual comparisons. I
might have to load OSX on one of my PCs.
Dedric
On 8/10/07 9:16 AM, in article 46bc8130$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hey Dedric,. The reason for this change is that Iwas over to a buddys studio
> who btw runs PT-HD(8) Accel!! Yikes!! :) witha DM-2000.
>
> But, since his studio is commercial he has to run all the major DAWs. Cubase
> 3 is one of them. His DAW computer in Studio A is an G5 (Quad-non Intel)...
>
> Well, I ask him to do me a favor and let me see how Cubase SX3 runs on his
> Mac. So, for testting we imported various wav files from ProTool sessions.
> Around 80 track..
>
> We then activated 5 verbs on the sends.. Activated the on-board Eq(all 4
> bands). Called up about 20 Ren Comps..
> Hit the space bar..
> Ran liek a champ.. No skips hiccups.. Nothing...Mean while...In the back
> round. we were surfing the web ...Had about 4 pages open, along with ....Pro
> Tools (HD) still open with a session..!!
>
> I was sold.. Because.. I assumes this machine as was one of newer (Intel)
> bases Macs Pros.. Nope..The G5 quad.
> Solid.. Solid Solid..
>
> Don't get me wrong, my AMD Opteron PCs are solid as well, but, OS_X and the
> ability to run XP as well, is a very powerful tandem to beat..
>
>
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> Hey Lamont - my rig only goes online to grab updates to audio apps,
>> registration/response codes (which is getting annoying), but never a problem
>> with that. But even on the net PC that's online all day with email, Skype,
>> etc, never had a virus, spyware, or malware. If OSX would only stop spam
>> mail from being sent (not filtered, but shot down at the source via a large
>> burst of electricity designed to fry any and all spammer computers, Apple
>> would really have something.... ;-)
>>
>> Let me know how Nuendo runs on your new Mac though, seriously. You'll have
>> to wait for N4 to run on the dual core 2 Mac under OSX at least (should
> be
>> soon). I would be most interested in a head to head comparison of plugin
>> counts in the same project under Nuendo, not just similar projects, but
>> identical.
>>
>> The last report I read comparing XP to OSX for DAW performance was from
>> Derek (used to be on this NG) - German Keyboards compared them and
>> apparently (I don't read German to confirm) XP won on plugin count and low
>> latency by a noticeable margin on the same hardware (even when run on the
>> same system as OSX via Bootcamp). He said even Logic ran better outside
>> OSX, but I'm not sure how that comparison was made since Logic 5 (Win) and
>> Logic 7 (OSX) might not be comparable. If OSX was a standalone OS, I would
>> buy it to have both and compare, but the fastest processing, lowest
>> bloat-factor OS would inevitably be the DAW system of choice for me.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 8/9/07 8:23 PM, in article 46bbcc3f$1@linux, "lamont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I agree..after we complete this cd project i'll be moving on to our new
> Mac
>>> Pro(4 core) running Nuendo, PT and the new Apple Logic.
>>>
>>> I'm really burned out with XP and viruses..with getting on the
>>> internet..sorry
>>> but u like being able to go on the internet on my daw.
>>>
>>> I'll covert my current dual opteron daw into a dedicated vsti machine.
>>>
>>> LAD
>>>
>>> "Steve Helm" <shelm@radford.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, but having the stability and security of OS-X is worth much more
> than
>>>> the difference in price between a PC and Mac.... especially in a pro
>>>> environment.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>>>> Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops (small
>>>>> business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>>>>> possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.). No extra
>>>>
>>>>> software or extended warranties.
>>>>>
>>>>> THe verdict:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>>>>> Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>>>>>
>>>>> Still a ways to go.
>>>>>
>>>>> JH
>>>>>> I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>>>>>> Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>>>>>> are out there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>>>>>> & price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a general
> purpose
>>>>>>> "music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty
> much
>>>> on
>>>>>>> topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive or
> taking
>>>>>>> over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of the
>>>>>>> politics
>>>>>>> stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know quite
>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> number
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of people get irritated by it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not going to go to an Apple group for Apple updates but like to
> know
>>>>>>> what's going on in Apple land so...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Kim.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's 100 degrees in the shade here. I think I'm delirious.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Man what's up with you today? People post about all kinds of stuff
>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple
> crap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> what apple forums are for.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88891 is a reply to message #88889] |
Fri, 10 August 2007 10:57 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Hey Dedric,
I see where you are coming from. For my needs, the Mac Pro with OSX is just
fine. 80-120 tracks is fine for what I do..Plus, I don't monitor via in the
box, so I can and do run my current DAW 2048 ms latency, which as you know,
takes a "big" strain off the system resources..
I guess, I'm really really impressed with OS-X and the ability to run (true)XP
(via Boot Camp)on one machine. As well as, being ready for the NEW Logic
Audio..
having said that, I would run Os-X on my current DAWs if Apple allow for
such. Yes, I know you can already do it(smile)..
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>The interesting comparison would be to actually run the exact same project
>on Cubase 4 under OSX and XP. 80 tracks and 5 verbs and 20 ren comps and
>stock EQ wouldn't make my core 2 sweat either (I've run way more than that
>with only 30% cpu load or so).
>
>Remember, the new macs are the exact same hardware as any core 2 or dual
>core 2 PC, though the components may not be as high end as I might build
for
>one of my rigs. The German Keyboards mag review apparently found XP to
run
>more plugins than OSX on the same hardware (intel dual core 2s).
>
>Basically all you are getting is a nice box with a different OS. It might
>be better multi-threaded - I would like to see some actual comparisons.
I
>might have to load OSX on one of my PCs.
>
>Dedric
>
>On 8/10/07 9:16 AM, in article 46bc8130$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey Dedric,. The reason for this change is that Iwas over to a buddys
studio
>> who btw runs PT-HD(8) Accel!! Yikes!! :) witha DM-2000.
>>
>> But, since his studio is commercial he has to run all the major DAWs.
Cubase
>> 3 is one of them. His DAW computer in Studio A is an G5 (Quad-non Intel)...
>>
>> Well, I ask him to do me a favor and let me see how Cubase SX3 runs on
his
>> Mac. So, for testting we imported various wav files from ProTool sessions.
>> Around 80 track..
>>
>> We then activated 5 verbs on the sends.. Activated the on-board Eq(all
4
>> bands). Called up about 20 Ren Comps..
>> Hit the space bar..
>> Ran liek a champ.. No skips hiccups.. Nothing...Mean while...In the back
>> round. we were surfing the web ...Had about 4 pages open, along with ....Pro
>> Tools (HD) still open with a session..!!
>>
>> I was sold.. Because.. I assumes this machine as was one of newer (Intel)
>> bases Macs Pros.. Nope..The G5 quad.
>> Solid.. Solid Solid..
>>
>> Don't get me wrong, my AMD Opteron PCs are solid as well, but, OS_X and
the
>> ability to run XP as well, is a very powerful tandem to beat..
>>
>>
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> Hey Lamont - my rig only goes online to grab updates to audio apps,
>>> registration/response codes (which is getting annoying), but never a
problem
>>> with that. But even on the net PC that's online all day with email,
Skype,
>>> etc, never had a virus, spyware, or malware. If OSX would only stop
spam
>>> mail from being sent (not filtered, but shot down at the source via a
large
>>> burst of electricity designed to fry any and all spammer computers, Apple
>>> would really have something.... ;-)
>>>
>>> Let me know how Nuendo runs on your new Mac though, seriously. You'll
have
>>> to wait for N4 to run on the dual core 2 Mac under OSX at least (should
>> be
>>> soon). I would be most interested in a head to head comparison of plugin
>>> counts in the same project under Nuendo, not just similar projects, but
>>> identical.
>>>
>>> The last report I read comparing XP to OSX for DAW performance was from
>>> Derek (used to be on this NG) - German Keyboards compared them and
>>> apparently (I don't read German to confirm) XP won on plugin count and
low
>>> latency by a noticeable margin on the same hardware (even when run on
the
>>> same system as OSX via Bootcamp). He said even Logic ran better outside
>>> OSX, but I'm not sure how that comparison was made since Logic 5 (Win)
and
>>> Logic 7 (OSX) might not be comparable. If OSX was a standalone OS, I
would
>>> buy it to have both and compare, but the fastest processing, lowest
>>> bloat-factor OS would inevitably be the DAW system of choice for me.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> On 8/9/07 8:23 PM, in article 46bbcc3f$1@linux, "lamont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree..after we complete this cd project i'll be moving on to our
new
>> Mac
>>>> Pro(4 core) running Nuendo, PT and the new Apple Logic.
>>>>
>>>> I'm really burned out with XP and viruses..with getting on the
>>>> internet..sorry
>>>> but u like being able to go on the internet on my daw.
>>>>
>>>> I'll covert my current dual opteron daw into a dedicated vsti machine.
>>>>
>>>> LAD
>>>>
>>>> "Steve Helm" <shelm@radford.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, but having the stability and security of OS-X is worth much more
>> than
>>>>> the difference in price between a PC and Mac.... especially in a pro
>>>>> environment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops (small
>>>>>> business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>>>>>> possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.). No
extra
>>>>>
>>>>>> software or extended warranties.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THe verdict:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>>>>>> Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still a ways to go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JH
>>>>>>> I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>>>>>>> Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>>>>>>> are out there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>>>>>>> & price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a general
>> purpose
>>>>>>>> "music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty
>> much
>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive
or
>> taking
>>>>>>>> over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of the
>>>>>>>> politics
>>>>>>>> stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know
quite
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> number
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of people get irritated by it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not going to go to an Apple group for Apple updates but like
to
>> know
>>>>>>>> what's going on in Apple land so...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Kim.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's 100 degrees in the shade here. I think I'm delirious.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Man what's up with you today? People post about all kinds of
stuff
>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple
>> crap.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> what apple forums are for.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88897 is a reply to message #88891] |
Fri, 10 August 2007 15:50 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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And if you are running an HD rig, the Mac route makes sense. (Of course
there is no other option for Logic). I'm curious to see where the next
version of Logic goes.
I've been wondering if Apple would give it more of a tie in with FCP - more
post capabilities. Maybe this time?
Imho, Apple is missing a big boat by not letting OSX loose, but I have a
feeling it might not play well with 80% of the hardware out there - one
reason for a closed system, and of course, profit is higher with a closed
platform, so I don't expect it to happen in the next 1425604 years. ;-)
Dedric
On 8/10/07 11:57 AM, in article 46bca718$1@linux, "LaMont"
<jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> Hey Dedric,
> I see where you are coming from. For my needs, the Mac Pro with OSX is just
> fine. 80-120 tracks is fine for what I do..Plus, I don't monitor via in the
> box, so I can and do run my current DAW 2048 ms latency, which as you know,
> takes a "big" strain off the system resources..
>
> I guess, I'm really really impressed with OS-X and the ability to run (true)XP
> (via Boot Camp)on one machine. As well as, being ready for the NEW Logic
> Audio..
>
> having said that, I would run Os-X on my current DAWs if Apple allow for
> such. Yes, I know you can already do it(smile)..
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> The interesting comparison would be to actually run the exact same project
>> on Cubase 4 under OSX and XP. 80 tracks and 5 verbs and 20 ren comps and
>> stock EQ wouldn't make my core 2 sweat either (I've run way more than that
>> with only 30% cpu load or so).
>>
>> Remember, the new macs are the exact same hardware as any core 2 or dual
>> core 2 PC, though the components may not be as high end as I might build
> for
>> one of my rigs. The German Keyboards mag review apparently found XP to
> run
>> more plugins than OSX on the same hardware (intel dual core 2s).
>>
>> Basically all you are getting is a nice box with a different OS. It might
>> be better multi-threaded - I would like to see some actual comparisons.
> I
>> might have to load OSX on one of my PCs.
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 8/10/07 9:16 AM, in article 46bc8130$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hey Dedric,. The reason for this change is that Iwas over to a buddys
> studio
>>> who btw runs PT-HD(8) Accel!! Yikes!! :) witha DM-2000.
>>>
>>> But, since his studio is commercial he has to run all the major DAWs.
> Cubase
>>> 3 is one of them. His DAW computer in Studio A is an G5 (Quad-non Intel)...
>>>
>>> Well, I ask him to do me a favor and let me see how Cubase SX3 runs on
> his
>>> Mac. So, for testting we imported various wav files from ProTool sessions.
>>> Around 80 track..
>>>
>>> We then activated 5 verbs on the sends.. Activated the on-board Eq(all
> 4
>>> bands). Called up about 20 Ren Comps..
>>> Hit the space bar..
>>> Ran liek a champ.. No skips hiccups.. Nothing...Mean while...In the back
>>> round. we were surfing the web ...Had about 4 pages open, along with ....Pro
>>> Tools (HD) still open with a session..!!
>>>
>>> I was sold.. Because.. I assumes this machine as was one of newer (Intel)
>>> bases Macs Pros.. Nope..The G5 quad.
>>> Solid.. Solid Solid..
>>>
>>> Don't get me wrong, my AMD Opteron PCs are solid as well, but, OS_X and
> the
>>> ability to run XP as well, is a very powerful tandem to beat..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> Hey Lamont - my rig only goes online to grab updates to audio apps,
>>>> registration/response codes (which is getting annoying), but never a
> problem
>>>> with that. But even on the net PC that's online all day with email,
> Skype,
>>>> etc, never had a virus, spyware, or malware. If OSX would only stop
> spam
>>>> mail from being sent (not filtered, but shot down at the source via a
> large
>>>> burst of electricity designed to fry any and all spammer computers, Apple
>>>> would really have something.... ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Let me know how Nuendo runs on your new Mac though, seriously. You'll
> have
>>>> to wait for N4 to run on the dual core 2 Mac under OSX at least (should
>>> be
>>>> soon). I would be most interested in a head to head comparison of plugin
>>>> counts in the same project under Nuendo, not just similar projects, but
>>>> identical.
>>>>
>>>> The last report I read comparing XP to OSX for DAW performance was from
>>>> Derek (used to be on this NG) - German Keyboards compared them and
>>>> apparently (I don't read German to confirm) XP won on plugin count and
> low
>>>> latency by a noticeable margin on the same hardware (even when run on
> the
>>>> same system as OSX via Bootcamp). He said even Logic ran better outside
>>>> OSX, but I'm not sure how that comparison was made since Logic 5 (Win)
> and
>>>> Logic 7 (OSX) might not be comparable. If OSX was a standalone OS, I
> would
>>>> buy it to have both and compare, but the fastest processing, lowest
>>>> bloat-factor OS would inevitably be the DAW system of choice for me.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> On 8/9/07 8:23 PM, in article 46bbcc3f$1@linux, "lamont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree..after we complete this cd project i'll be moving on to our
> new
>>> Mac
>>>>> Pro(4 core) running Nuendo, PT and the new Apple Logic.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm really burned out with XP and viruses..with getting on the
>>>>> internet..sorry
>>>>> but u like being able to go on the internet on my daw.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll covert my current dual opteron daw into a dedicated vsti machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> LAD
>>>>>
>>>>> "Steve Helm" <shelm@radford.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, but having the stability and security of OS-X is worth much more
>>> than
>>>>>> the difference in price between a PC and Mac.... especially in a pro
>>>>>> environment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops (small
>>>>>>> business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>>>>>>> possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.). No
> extra
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> software or extended warranties.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> THe verdict:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>>>>>>> Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Still a ways to go.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JH
>>>>>>>> I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>>>>>>>> Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>>>>>>>> are out there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>>>>>>>> & price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a general
>>> purpose
>>>>>>>>> "music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty
>>> much
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive
> or
>>> taking
>>>>>>>>> over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of the
>>>>>>>>> politics
>>>>>>>>> stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know
> quite
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> number
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of people get irritated by it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not going to go to an Apple group for Apple updates but like
> to
>>> know
>>>>>>>>> what's going on in Apple land so...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Kim.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's 100 degrees in the shade here. I think I'm delirious.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Man what's up with you today? People post about all kinds of
> stuff
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple
>>> crap.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> what apple forums are for.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: PT M Powered on a Quad PC ..was FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88902 is a reply to message #88900] |
Fri, 10 August 2007 18:38 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Video related? I have to ask, what's the video card in question?
AA
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:46bcff81$1@linux...
>A question about PT, (off topic I know), but I have (sometimes use), PT M
>powered.
> I always thought my comp felt sluggish, or at least the screed redraws
> looked sluggish, and that was on an Intel Core2 Duo 6600 with 2 gig of
> ram..shouldn't be the case right?
> Everything else seemed quite snappy...put not PT.
> Well.... now I just built a Quad Core (Intel Q6600) with 4 gb ram and an
> N-Videia 8500 card, (that was on the comp previously), and PT feels just
> the same....
> Is it PT?
> The meters seem really sluggish although I can get really low latency
> whist recording with no problems. the graphics are just crappy.
> Any ideas guys?
>
> Martin Harrington
> www.lendanear-sound.com
> 0414 913 247
>
>
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| Re: PT M Powered on a Quad PC ..was FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88903 is a reply to message #88902] |
Fri, 10 August 2007 18:42 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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doh.. I mean what's the RAM on the video card.
Sorry, long day.
AA
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:46bd1511$1@linux...
> Video related? I have to ask, what's the video card in question?
> AA
>
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:46bcff81$1@linux...
>>A question about PT, (off topic I know), but I have (sometimes use), PT M
>>powered.
>> I always thought my comp felt sluggish, or at least the screed redraws
>> looked sluggish, and that was on an Intel Core2 Duo 6600 with 2 gig of
>> ram..shouldn't be the case right?
>> Everything else seemed quite snappy...put not PT.
>> Well.... now I just built a Quad Core (Intel Q6600) with 4 gb ram and an
>> N-Videia 8500 card, (that was on the comp previously), and PT feels just
>> the same....
>> Is it PT?
>> The meters seem really sluggish although I can get really low latency
>> whist recording with no problems. the graphics are just crappy.
>> Any ideas guys?
>>
>> Martin Harrington
>> www.lendanear-sound.com
>> 0414 913 247
>>
>>
>
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88904 is a reply to message #88897] |
Fri, 10 August 2007 18:59 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>And if you are running an HD rig, the Mac route makes sense. (Of course
>there is no other option for Logic). I'm curious to see where the next
>version of Logic goes.
>
>I've been wondering if Apple would give it more of a tie in with FCP - more
>post capabilities. Maybe this time?
>
>Imho, Apple is missing a big boat by not letting OSX loose, but I have a
>feeling it might not play well with 80% of the hardware out there - one
>reason for a closed system, and of course, profit is higher with a closed
>platform, so I don't expect it to happen in the next 1425604 years. ;-)
>
>Dedric
I feel like I'm about to pour gas on this thread. Would you be willing to
pay $299.00 for a PC version of OSX if it was unsupported? Would you buy
it if there was no iLife or iWorks for it?
>
>On 8/10/07 11:57 AM, in article 46bca718$1@linux, "LaMont"
><jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey Dedric,
>> I see where you are coming from. For my needs, the Mac Pro with OSX is
just
>> fine. 80-120 tracks is fine for what I do..Plus, I don't monitor via in
the
>> box, so I can and do run my current DAW 2048 ms latency, which as you
know,
>> takes a "big" strain off the system resources..
>>
>> I guess, I'm really really impressed with OS-X and the ability to run
(true)XP
>> (via Boot Camp)on one machine. As well as, being ready for the NEW Logic
>> Audio..
>>
>> having said that, I would run Os-X on my current DAWs if Apple allow for
>> such. Yes, I know you can already do it(smile)..
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> The interesting comparison would be to actually run the exact same project
>>> on Cubase 4 under OSX and XP. 80 tracks and 5 verbs and 20 ren comps
and
>>> stock EQ wouldn't make my core 2 sweat either (I've run way more than
that
>>> with only 30% cpu load or so).
>>>
>>> Remember, the new macs are the exact same hardware as any core 2 or dual
>>> core 2 PC, though the components may not be as high end as I might build
>> for
>>> one of my rigs. The German Keyboards mag review apparently found XP
to
>> run
>>> more plugins than OSX on the same hardware (intel dual core 2s).
>>>
>>> Basically all you are getting is a nice box with a different OS. It
might
>>> be better multi-threaded - I would like to see some actual comparisons.
>> I
>>> might have to load OSX on one of my PCs.
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> On 8/10/07 9:16 AM, in article 46bc8130$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Dedric,. The reason for this change is that Iwas over to a buddys
>> studio
>>>> who btw runs PT-HD(8) Accel!! Yikes!! :) witha DM-2000.
>>>>
>>>> But, since his studio is commercial he has to run all the major DAWs.
>> Cubase
>>>> 3 is one of them. His DAW computer in Studio A is an G5 (Quad-non Intel)...
>>>>
>>>> Well, I ask him to do me a favor and let me see how Cubase SX3 runs
on
>> his
>>>> Mac. So, for testting we imported various wav files from ProTool sessions.
>>>> Around 80 track..
>>>>
>>>> We then activated 5 verbs on the sends.. Activated the on-board Eq(all
>> 4
>>>> bands). Called up about 20 Ren Comps..
>>>> Hit the space bar..
>>>> Ran liek a champ.. No skips hiccups.. Nothing...Mean while...In the
back
>>>> round. we were surfing the web ...Had about 4 pages open, along with
....Pro
>>>> Tools (HD) still open with a session..!!
>>>>
>>>> I was sold.. Because.. I assumes this machine as was one of newer (Intel)
>>>> bases Macs Pros.. Nope..The G5 quad.
>>>> Solid.. Solid Solid..
>>>>
>>>> Don't get me wrong, my AMD Opteron PCs are solid as well, but, OS_X
and
>> the
>>>> ability to run XP as well, is a very powerful tandem to beat..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hey Lamont - my rig only goes online to grab updates to audio apps,
>>>>> registration/response codes (which is getting annoying), but never
a
>> problem
>>>>> with that. But even on the net PC that's online all day with email,
>> Skype,
>>>>> etc, never had a virus, spyware, or malware. If OSX would only stop
>> spam
>>>>> mail from being sent (not filtered, but shot down at the source via
a
>> large
>>>>> burst of electricity designed to fry any and all spammer computers,
Apple
>>>>> would really have something.... ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know how Nuendo runs on your new Mac though, seriously. You'll
>> have
>>>>> to wait for N4 to run on the dual core 2 Mac under OSX at least (should
>>>> be
>>>>> soon). I would be most interested in a head to head comparison of
plugin
>>>>> counts in the same project under Nuendo, not just similar projects,
but
>>>>> identical.
>>>>>
>>>>> The last report I read comparing XP to OSX for DAW performance was
from
>>>>> Derek (used to be on this NG) - German Keyboards compared them and
>>>>> apparently (I don't read German to confirm) XP won on plugin count
and
>> low
>>>>> latency by a noticeable margin on the same hardware (even when run
on
>> the
>>>>> same system as OSX via Bootcamp). He said even Logic ran better outside
>>>>> OSX, but I'm not sure how that comparison was made since Logic 5 (Win)
>> and
>>>>> Logic 7 (OSX) might not be comparable. If OSX was a standalone OS,
I
>> would
>>>>> buy it to have both and compare, but the fastest processing, lowest
>>>>> bloat-factor OS would inevitably be the DAW system of choice for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/9/07 8:23 PM, in article 46bbcc3f$1@linux, "lamont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree..after we complete this cd project i'll be moving on to our
>> new
>>>> Mac
>>>>>> Pro(4 core) running Nuendo, PT and the new Apple Logic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm really burned out with XP and viruses..with getting on the
>>>>>> internet..sorry
>>>>>> but u like being able to go on the internet on my daw.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll covert my current dual opteron daw into a dedicated vsti machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LAD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Steve Helm" <shelm@radford.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, but having the stability and security of OS-X is worth much
more
>>>> than
>>>>>>> the difference in price between a PC and Mac.... especially in a
pro
>>>>>>> environment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops (small
>>>>>>>> business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>>>>>>>> possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.). No
>> extra
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> software or extended warranties.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> THe verdict:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>>>>>>>> Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Still a ways to go.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> JH
>>>>>>>>> I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>>>>>>>>> Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>>>>>>>>> are out there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>>>>>>>>> & price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a general
>>>> purpose
>>>>>>>>>> "music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty
>>>> much
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive
>> or
>>>> taking
>>>>>>>>>> over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of
the
>>>>>>>>>> politics
>>>>>>>>>> stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know
>> quite
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> number
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of people get irritated by it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not going to go to an Apple group for Apple updates but like
>> to
>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>> what's going on in Apple land so...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Kim.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's 100 degrees in the shade here. I think I'm delirious.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Man what's up with you today? People post about all kinds of
>> stuff
>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple
>>>> crap.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what apple forums are for.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88906 is a reply to message #88904] |
Fri, 10 August 2007 19:39 |
audioguy_editout_
Messages: 249
Registered: December 2005
|
Senior Member |
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I would pay more money for OSX for Mac if Apple gave it an
i-ppendectomy!! No i-crap, no Saffari, no Garage Crap...
Just OS. I know you can remove the stuff, but I don't think
it would be the same.
I keep thinking of those Apple TV commercials... gets me
thinking "wanna get some WORK done, buy a PC!" ;-) (ducking)
David.
ps. YES, we use *both* here.
James McCloskey wrote:
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>
>>And if you are running an HD rig, the Mac route makes sense. (Of course
>>there is no other option for Logic). I'm curious to see where the next
>>version of Logic goes.
>>
>>I've been wondering if Apple would give it more of a tie in with FCP - more
>>post capabilities. Maybe this time?
>>
>>Imho, Apple is missing a big boat by not letting OSX loose, but I have a
>>feeling it might not play well with 80% of the hardware out there - one
>>reason for a closed system, and of course, profit is higher with a closed
>>platform, so I don't expect it to happen in the next 1425604 years. ;-)
>>
>>Dedric
>
>
> I feel like I'm about to pour gas on this thread. Would you be willing to
> pay $299.00 for a PC version of OSX if it was unsupported? Would you buy
> it if there was no iLife or iWorks for it?
>
>
>>On 8/10/07 11:57 AM, in article 46bca718$1@linux, "LaMont"
>><jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hey Dedric,
>>>I see where you are coming from. For my needs, the Mac Pro with OSX is
>
> just
>
>>>fine. 80-120 tracks is fine for what I do..Plus, I don't monitor via in
>
> the
>
>>>box, so I can and do run my current DAW 2048 ms latency, which as you
>
> know,
>
>>>takes a "big" strain off the system resources..
>>>
>>>I guess, I'm really really impressed with OS-X and the ability to run
>
> (true)XP
>
>>>(via Boot Camp)on one machine. As well as, being ready for the NEW Logic
>>>Audio..
>>>
>>>having said that, I would run Os-X on my current DAWs if Apple allow for
>>>such. Yes, I know you can already do it(smile)..
>>>
>>>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The interesting comparison would be to actually run the exact same project
>>>>on Cubase 4 under OSX and XP. 80 tracks and 5 verbs and 20 ren comps
>
> and
>
>>>>stock EQ wouldn't make my core 2 sweat either (I've run way more than
>
> that
>
>>>>with only 30% cpu load or so).
>>>>
>>>>Remember, the new macs are the exact same hardware as any core 2 or dual
>>>>core 2 PC, though the components may not be as high end as I might build
>>>
>>>for
>>>
>>>>one of my rigs. The German Keyboards mag review apparently found XP
>
> to
>
>>>run
>>>
>>>>more plugins than OSX on the same hardware (intel dual core 2s).
>>>>
>>>>Basically all you are getting is a nice box with a different OS. It
>
> might
>
>>>>be better multi-threaded - I would like to see some actual comparisons.
>>>
>>>I
>>>
>>>>might have to load OSX on one of my PCs.
>>>>
>>>>Dedric
>>>>
>>>>On 8/10/07 9:16 AM, in article 46bc8130$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hey Dedric,. The reason for this change is that Iwas over to a buddys
>>>
>>>studio
>>>
>>>>>who btw runs PT-HD(8) Accel!! Yikes!! :) witha DM-2000.
>>>>>
>>>>>But, since his studio is commercial he has to run all the major DAWs.
>>>
>>>Cubase
>>>
>>>>>3 is one of them. His DAW computer in Studio A is an G5 (Quad-non Intel)...
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, I ask him to do me a favor and let me see how Cubase SX3 runs
>
> on
>
>>>his
>>>
>>>>>Mac. So, for testting we imported various wav files from ProTool sessions.
>>>>>Around 80 track..
>>>>>
>>>>>We then activated 5 verbs on the sends.. Activated the on-board Eq(all
>>>
>>>4
>>>
>>>>>bands). Called up about 20 Ren Comps..
>>>>>Hit the space bar..
>>>>>Ran liek a champ.. No skips hiccups.. Nothing...Mean while...In the
>
> back
>
>>>>>round. we were surfing the web ...Had about 4 pages open, along with
>
> ...Pro
>
>>>>>Tools (HD) still open with a session..!!
>>>>>
>>>>>I was sold.. Because.. I assumes this machine as was one of newer (Intel)
>>>>>bases Macs Pros.. Nope..The G5 quad.
>>>>>Solid.. Solid Solid..
>>>>>
>>>>>Don't get me wrong, my AMD Opteron PCs are solid as well, but, OS_X
>
> and
>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>ability to run XP as well, is a very powerful tandem to beat..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hey Lamont - my rig only goes online to grab updates to audio apps,
>>>>>>registration/response codes (which is getting annoying), but never
>
> a
>
>>>problem
>>>
>>>>>>with that. But even on the net PC that's online all day with email,
>>>
>>>Skype,
>>>
>>>>>>etc, never had a virus, spyware, or malware. If OSX would only stop
>>>
>>>spam
>>>
>>>>>>mail from being sent (not filtered, but shot down at the source via
>
> a
>
>>>large
>>>
>>>>>>burst of electricity designed to fry any and all spammer computers,
>
> Apple
>
>>>>>>would really have something.... ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Let me know how Nuendo runs on your new Mac though, seriously. You'll
>>>
>>>have
>>>
>>>>>>to wait for N4 to run on the dual core 2 Mac under OSX at least (should
>>>>>
>>>>>be
>>>>>
>>>>>>soon). I would be most interested in a head to head comparison of
>
> plugin
>
>>>>>>counts in the same project under Nuendo, not just similar projects,
>
> but
>
>>>>>>identical.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The last report I read comparing XP to OSX for DAW performance was
>
> from
>
>>>>>>Derek (used to be on this NG) - German Keyboards compared them and
>>>>>>apparently (I don't read German to confirm) XP won on plugin count
>
> and
>
>>>low
>>>
>>>>>>latency by a noticeable margin on the same hardware (even when run
>
> on
>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>>same system as OSX via Bootcamp). He said even Logic ran better outside
>>>>>>OSX, but I'm not sure how that comparison was made since Logic 5 (Win)
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>>>Logic 7 (OSX) might not be comparable. If OSX was a standalone OS,
>
> I
>
>>>would
>>>
>>>>>>buy it to have both and compare, but the fastest processing, lowest
>>>>>>bloat-factor OS would inevitably be the DAW system of choice for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 8/9/07 8:23 PM, in article 46bbcc3f$1@linux, "lamont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I agree..after we complete this cd project i'll be moving on to our
>>>
>>>new
>>>
>>>>>Mac
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Pro(4 core) running Nuendo, PT and the new Apple Logic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm really burned out with XP and viruses..with getting on the
>>>>>>>internet..sorry
>>>>>>>but u like being able to go on the internet on my daw.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'll covert my current dual opteron daw into a dedicated vsti machine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>LAD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Steve Helm" <shelm@radford.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yeah, but having the stability and security of OS-X is worth much
>
> more
>
>>>>>than
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>the difference in price between a PC and Mac.... especially in a
>
> pro
>
>>>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Steve
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops (small
>>>>>>>>>business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>>>>>>>>>possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.). No
>>>
>>>extra
>>>
>>>>>>>>>software or extended warranties.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>THe verdict:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>>>>>>>>>Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Still a ways to go.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>JH
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>>>>>>>>>>Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>>>>>>>>>>are out there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>>>>>>>>>>& price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>>>>>>>>>>LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Neil
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a general
>>>>>
>>>>>purpose
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty
>>>>>
>>>>>much
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive
>>>
>>>or
>>>
>>>>>taking
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of
>
> the
>
>>>>>>>>>>>politics
>>>>>>>>>>>stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know
>>>
>>>quite
>>>
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>number
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>of people get irritated by it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I'm not going to go to an Apple group for Apple updates but like
>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>>>know
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>what's going on in Apple land so...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>Kim.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>It's 100 degrees in the shade here. I think I'm delirious.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Man what's up with you today? People post about all kinds of
>>>
>>>stuff
>>>
>>>>>>>>here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chuck
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple
>>>>>
>>>>>crap.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>That's
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>what apple forums are for.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88907 is a reply to message #88906] |
Fri, 10 August 2007 20:50 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
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We're back to the word "crap". So what is wrong with Safari? GarageBand
Does not come with OSX per say, but what is wrong with it? "Come on Dave,
give me a break" I think this is just more anti Mac stuff.
"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>I would pay more money for OSX for Mac if Apple gave it an
>i-ppendectomy!! No i-crap, no Saffari, no Garage Crap...
>Just OS. I know you can remove the stuff, but I don't think
>it would be the same.
>
>I keep thinking of those Apple TV commercials... gets me
>thinking "wanna get some WORK done, buy a PC!" ;-) (ducking)
>
>David.
>
>ps. YES, we use *both* here.
>
>James McCloskey wrote:
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>
>>>And if you are running an HD rig, the Mac route makes sense. (Of course
>>>there is no other option for Logic). I'm curious to see where the next
>>>version of Logic goes.
>>>
>>>I've been wondering if Apple would give it more of a tie in with FCP -
more
>>>post capabilities. Maybe this time?
>>>
>>>Imho, Apple is missing a big boat by not letting OSX loose, but I have
a
>>>feeling it might not play well with 80% of the hardware out there - one
>>>reason for a closed system, and of course, profit is higher with a closed
>>>platform, so I don't expect it to happen in the next 1425604 years. ;-)
>>>
>>>Dedric
>>
>>
>> I feel like I'm about to pour gas on this thread. Would you be willing
to
>> pay $299.00 for a PC version of OSX if it was unsupported? Would you
buy
>> it if there was no iLife or iWorks for it?
>>
>>
>>>On 8/10/07 11:57 AM, in article 46bca718$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>><jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hey Dedric,
>>>>I see where you are coming from. For my needs, the Mac Pro with OSX is
>>
>> just
>>
>>>>fine. 80-120 tracks is fine for what I do..Plus, I don't monitor via
in
>>
>> the
>>
>>>>box, so I can and do run my current DAW 2048 ms latency, which as you
>>
>> know,
>>
>>>>takes a "big" strain off the system resources..
>>>>
>>>>I guess, I'm really really impressed with OS-X and the ability to run
>>
>> (true)XP
>>
>>>>(via Boot Camp)on one machine. As well as, being ready for the NEW Logic
>>>>Audio..
>>>>
>>>>having said that, I would run Os-X on my current DAWs if Apple allow
for
>>>>such. Yes, I know you can already do it(smile)..
>>>>
>>>>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The interesting comparison would be to actually run the exact same project
>>>>>on Cubase 4 under OSX and XP. 80 tracks and 5 verbs and 20 ren comps
>>
>> and
>>
>>>>>stock EQ wouldn't make my core 2 sweat either (I've run way more than
>>
>> that
>>
>>>>>with only 30% cpu load or so).
>>>>>
>>>>>Remember, the new macs are the exact same hardware as any core 2 or
dual
>>>>>core 2 PC, though the components may not be as high end as I might build
>>>>
>>>>for
>>>>
>>>>>one of my rigs. The German Keyboards mag review apparently found XP
>>
>> to
>>
>>>>run
>>>>
>>>>>more plugins than OSX on the same hardware (intel dual core 2s).
>>>>>
>>>>>Basically all you are getting is a nice box with a different OS. It
>>
>> might
>>
>>>>>be better multi-threaded - I would like to see some actual comparisons.
>>>>
>>>>I
>>>>
>>>>>might have to load OSX on one of my PCs.
>>>>>
>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>>On 8/10/07 9:16 AM, in article 46bc8130$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hey Dedric,. The reason for this change is that Iwas over to a buddys
>>>>
>>>>studio
>>>>
>>>>>>who btw runs PT-HD(8) Accel!! Yikes!! :) witha DM-2000.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But, since his studio is commercial he has to run all the major DAWs.
>>>>
>>>>Cubase
>>>>
>>>>>>3 is one of them. His DAW computer in Studio A is an G5 (Quad-non Intel)...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, I ask him to do me a favor and let me see how Cubase SX3 runs
>>
>> on
>>
>>>>his
>>>>
>>>>>>Mac. So, for testting we imported various wav files from ProTool sessions.
>>>>>>Around 80 track..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We then activated 5 verbs on the sends.. Activated the on-board Eq(all
>>>>
>>>>4
>>>>
>>>>>>bands). Called up about 20 Ren Comps..
>>>>>>Hit the space bar..
>>>>>>Ran liek a champ.. No skips hiccups.. Nothing...Mean while...In the
>>
>> back
>>
>>>>>>round. we were surfing the web ...Had about 4 pages open, along with
>>
>> ...Pro
>>
>>>>>>Tools (HD) still open with a session..!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I was sold.. Because.. I assumes this machine as was one of newer (Intel)
>>>>>>bases Macs Pros.. Nope..The G5 quad.
>>>>>>Solid.. Solid Solid..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Don't get me wrong, my AMD Opteron PCs are solid as well, but, OS_X
>>
>> and
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>>ability to run XP as well, is a very powerful tandem to beat..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hey Lamont - my rig only goes online to grab updates to audio apps,
>>>>>>>registration/response codes (which is getting annoying), but never
>>
>> a
>>
>>>>problem
>>>>
>>>>>>>with that. But even on the net PC that's online all day with email,
>>>>
>>>>Skype,
>>>>
>>>>>>>etc, never had a virus, spyware, or malware. If OSX would only stop
>>>>
>>>>spam
>>>>
>>>>>>>mail from being sent (not filtered, but shot down at the source via
>>
>> a
>>
>>>>large
>>>>
>>>>>>>burst of electricity designed to fry any and all spammer computers,
>>
>> Apple
>>
>>>>>>>would really have something.... ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Let me know how Nuendo runs on your new Mac though, seriously. You'll
>>>>
>>>>have
>>>>
>>>>>>>to wait for N4 to run on the dual core 2 Mac under OSX at least (should
>>>>>>
>>>>>>be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>soon). I would be most interested in a head to head comparison of
>>
>> plugin
>>
>>>>>>>counts in the same project under Nuendo, not just similar projects,
>>
>> but
>>
>>>>>>>identical.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The last report I read comparing XP to OSX for DAW performance was
>>
>> from
>>
>>>>>>>Derek (used to be on this NG) - German Keyboards compared them and
>>>>>>>apparently (I don't read German to confirm) XP won on plugin count
>>
>> and
>>
>>>>low
>>>>
>>>>>>>latency by a noticeable margin on the same hardware (even when run
>>
>> on
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>>>same system as OSX via Bootcamp). He said even Logic ran better outside
>>>>>>>OSX, but I'm not sure how that comparison was made since Logic 5 (Win)
>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>>>>Logic 7 (OSX) might not be comparable. If OSX was a standalone OS,
>>
>> I
>>
>>>>would
>>>>
>>>>>>>buy it to have both and compare, but the fastest processing, lowest
>>>>>>>bloat-factor OS would inevitably be the DAW system of choice for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 8/9/07 8:23 PM, in article 46bbcc3f$1@linux, "lamont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I agree..after we complete this cd project i'll be moving on to our
>>>>
>>>>new
>>>>
>>>>>>Mac
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Pro(4 core) running Nuendo, PT and the new Apple Logic.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm really burned out with XP and viruses..with getting on the
>>>>>>>>internet..sorry
>>>>>>>>but u like being able to go on the internet on my daw.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'll covert my current dual opteron daw into a dedicated vsti machine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>LAD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Steve Helm" <shelm@radford.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yeah, but having the stability and security of OS-X is worth much
>>
>> more
>>
>>>>>>than
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>the difference in price between a PC and Mac.... especially in a
>>
>> pro
>>
>>>>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Steve
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops (small
>>>>>>>>>>business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>>>>>>>>>>possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.).
No
>>>>
>>>>extra
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>software or extended warranties.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>THe verdict:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>>>>>>>>>>Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Still a ways to go.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>JH
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>>>>>>>>>>>Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>>>>>>>>>>>are out there.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>>>>>>>>>>>& price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>>>>>>>>>>>LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Neil
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a general
>>>>>>
>>>>>>purpose
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty
>>>>>>
>>>>>>much
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive
>>>>
>>>>or
>>>>
>>>>>>taking
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of
>>
>> the
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>politics
>>>>>>>>>>>>stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know
>>>>
>>>>quite
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>number
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>of people get irritated by it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm not going to go to an Apple group for Apple updates but like
>>>>
>>>>to
>>>>
>>>>>>know
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>what's going on in Apple land so...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>Kim.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's 100 degrees in the shade here. I think I'm delirious.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Man what's up with you today? People post about all kinds
of
>>>>
>>>>stuff
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chuck
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple
>>>>>>
>>>>>>crap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>That's
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>what apple forums are for.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88908 is a reply to message #88904] |
Fri, 10 August 2007 20:55 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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On 8/10/07 7:59 PM, in article 46bd17fd$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
<excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> Imho, Apple is missing a big boat by not letting OSX loose, but I have a
>> feeling it might not play well with 80% of the hardware out there - one
>> reason for a closed system, and of course, profit is higher with a closed
>> platform, so I don't expect it to happen in the next 1425604 years. ;-)
>>
>> Dedric
>
> I feel like I'm about to pour gas on this thread. Would you be willing to
> pay $299.00 for a PC version of OSX if it was unsupported? Would you buy
> it if there was no iLife or iWorks for it?
>
Gas? Probably not - it seems to be a fair question -
....but how could Apple sell OSX unsupported? AFAIK (from past corporate
support experience) I don't think it is legal in the US to sell a product
retail without some level of support unless the product is completely
unsupported and sold as a non-retail product (e.g. can't make a Mac version
with full support and a PC version for the same price and none, but you
could sell OSX for both platforms with limited support).
Regardless, as has been said before iWork is extra, not included, so that
doesn't count. iLife is $79 to upgrade to the new version, so it isn't
exactly an OS "feature", and it's a home user/recreational set of tools, not
something I would consider a must for professional use (iChat might come in
handy for client communication, but Skype works quite well for free). iLife
is an app just like any other.
$299 for OSX? If it really provided some specific advantage for the price,
but it's more than I pay for WinXP (I only pay $139 for WinXP Pro (OEM)
since I build my own machines (e.g. that meets the license requirement for
the OEM version). Like Dave, I don't need iLife - just an OS, stripped down
running fast. iWork might come in handy for only $79 vs. MS Office since I
don't need the full capabilities of Office and do get MS Word and Excel docs
from clients, but again, it is an add on, not an OS feature.
Beyond that, I'm not what the context of your question is. Is Apple
considering such a move?
Regards,
Dedric
>>
>> On 8/10/07 11:57 AM, in article 46bca718$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hey Dedric,
>>> I see where you are coming from. For my needs, the Mac Pro with OSX is
> just
>>> fine. 80-120 tracks is fine for what I do..Plus, I don't monitor via in
> the
>>> box, so I can and do run my current DAW 2048 ms latency, which as you
> know,
>>> takes a "big" strain off the system resources..
>>>
>>> I guess, I'm really really impressed with OS-X and the ability to run
> (true)XP
>>> (via Boot Camp)on one machine. As well as, being ready for the NEW Logic
>>> Audio..
>>>
>>> having said that, I would run Os-X on my current DAWs if Apple allow for
>>> such. Yes, I know you can already do it(smile)..
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> The interesting comparison would be to actually run the exact same project
>>>> on Cubase 4 under OSX and XP. 80 tracks and 5 verbs and 20 ren comps
> and
>>>> stock EQ wouldn't make my core 2 sweat either (I've run way more than
> that
>>>> with only 30% cpu load or so).
>>>>
>>>> Remember, the new macs are the exact same hardware as any core 2 or dual
>>>> core 2 PC, though the components may not be as high end as I might build
>>> for
>>>> one of my rigs. The German Keyboards mag review apparently found XP
> to
>>> run
>>>> more plugins than OSX on the same hardware (intel dual core 2s).
>>>>
>>>> Basically all you are getting is a nice box with a different OS. It
> might
>>>> be better multi-threaded - I would like to see some actual comparisons.
>>> I
>>>> might have to load OSX on one of my PCs.
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> On 8/10/07 9:16 AM, in article 46bc8130$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Dedric,. The reason for this change is that Iwas over to a buddys
>>> studio
>>>>> who btw runs PT-HD(8) Accel!! Yikes!! :) witha DM-2000.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, since his studio is commercial he has to run all the major DAWs.
>>> Cubase
>>>>> 3 is one of them. His DAW computer in Studio A is an G5 (Quad-non
>>>>> Intel)...
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I ask him to do me a favor and let me see how Cubase SX3 runs
> on
>>> his
>>>>> Mac. So, for testting we imported various wav files from ProTool sessions.
>>>>> Around 80 track..
>>>>>
>>>>> We then activated 5 verbs on the sends.. Activated the on-board Eq(all
>>> 4
>>>>> bands). Called up about 20 Ren Comps..
>>>>> Hit the space bar..
>>>>> Ran liek a champ.. No skips hiccups.. Nothing...Mean while...In the
> back
>>>>> round. we were surfing the web ...Had about 4 pages open, along with
> ...Pro
>>>>> Tools (HD) still open with a session..!!
>>>>>
>>>>> I was sold.. Because.. I assumes this machine as was one of newer (Intel)
>>>>> bases Macs Pros.. Nope..The G5 quad.
>>>>> Solid.. Solid Solid..
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't get me wrong, my AMD Opteron PCs are solid as well, but, OS_X
> and
>>> the
>>>>> ability to run XP as well, is a very powerful tandem to beat..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hey Lamont - my rig only goes online to grab updates to audio apps,
>>>>>> registration/response codes (which is getting annoying), but never
> a
>>> problem
>>>>>> with that. But even on the net PC that's online all day with email,
>>> Skype,
>>>>>> etc, never had a virus, spyware, or malware. If OSX would only stop
>>> spam
>>>>>> mail from being sent (not filtered, but shot down at the source via
> a
>>> large
>>>>>> burst of electricity designed to fry any and all spammer computers,
> Apple
>>>>>> would really have something.... ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know how Nuendo runs on your new Mac though, seriously. You'll
>>> have
>>>>>> to wait for N4 to run on the dual core 2 Mac under OSX at least (should
>>>>> be
>>>>>> soon). I would be most interested in a head to head comparison of
> plugin
>>>>>> counts in the same project under Nuendo, not just similar projects,
> but
>>>>>> identical.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The last report I read comparing XP to OSX for DAW performance was
> from
>>>>>> Derek (used to be on this NG) - German Keyboards compared them and
>>>>>> apparently (I don't read German to confirm) XP won on plugin count
> and
>>> low
>>>>>> latency by a noticeable margin on the same hardware (even when run
> on
>>> the
>>>>>> same system as OSX via Bootcamp). He said even Logic ran better outside
>>>>>> OSX, but I'm not sure how that comparison was made since Logic 5 (Win)
>>> and
>>>>>> Logic 7 (OSX) might not be comparable. If OSX was a standalone OS,
> I
>>> would
>>>>>> buy it to have both and compare, but the fastest processing, lowest
>>>>>> bloat-factor OS would inevitably be the DAW system of choice for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/9/07 8:23 PM, in article 46bbcc3f$1@linux, "lamont"
>>>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree..after we complete this cd project i'll be moving on to our
>>> new
>>>>> Mac
>>>>>>> Pro(4 core) running Nuendo, PT and the new Apple Logic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm really burned out with XP and viruses..with getting on the
>>>>>>> internet..sorry
>>>>>>> but u like being able to go on the internet on my daw.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll covert my current dual opteron daw into a dedicated vsti machine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LAD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Steve Helm" <shelm@radford.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, but having the stability and security of OS-X is worth much
> more
>>>>> than
>>>>>>>> the difference in price between a PC and Mac.... especially in a
> pro
>>>>>>>> environment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops (small
>>>>>>>>> business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>>>>>>>>> possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.). No
>>> extra
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> software or extended warranties.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> THe verdict:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>>>>>>>>> Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Still a ways to go.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> JH
>>>>>>>>>> I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>>>>>>>>>> Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>>>>>>>>>> are out there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>>>>>>>>>> & price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a general
>>>>> purpose
>>>>>>>>>>> "music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty
>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive
>>> or
>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>>>>> over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of
> the
>>>>>>>>>>> politics
>>>>>>>>>>> stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know
>>> quite
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> number
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> of people get irritated by it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not going to go to an Apple group for Apple updates but like
>>> to
>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>> what's going on in Apple land so...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Kim.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's 100 degrees in the shade here. I think I'm delirious.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Man what's up with you today? People post about all kinds of
>>> stuff
>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple
>>>>> crap.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> what apple forums are for.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88909 is a reply to message #88907] |
Fri, 10 August 2007 21:03 |
audioguy_editout_
Messages: 249
Registered: December 2005
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Senior Member |
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Not anti Mac at all... nothing wrong with the stuff for
people that want to use it... but why should people have to
have it loaded on their machine if they don't? Same goes
for Windows... I don't want messenger, Exploder, and the
rest of the bloat. I think people should be able to CHOOSE
"at install time" on either platform what they do or do not
want on their system.
I want these machines for work, not play. And as I
mentioned, we use MacPro and well as XP machines at the
office for audio.
David.
James McCloskey wrote:
> We're back to the word "crap". So what is wrong with Safari? GarageBand
> Does not come with OSX per say, but what is wrong with it? "Come on Dave,
> give me a break" I think this is just more anti Mac stuff.
>
> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>I would pay more money for OSX for Mac if Apple gave it an
>>i-ppendectomy!! No i-crap, no Saffari, no Garage Crap...
>>Just OS. I know you can remove the stuff, but I don't think
>>it would be the same.
>>
>>I keep thinking of those Apple TV commercials... gets me
>>thinking "wanna get some WORK done, buy a PC!" ;-) (ducking)
>>
>>David.
>>
>>ps. YES, we use *both* here.
>>
>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>
>>>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>And if you are running an HD rig, the Mac route makes sense. (Of course
>>>>there is no other option for Logic). I'm curious to see where the next
>>>>version of Logic goes.
>>>>
>>>>I've been wondering if Apple would give it more of a tie in with FCP -
>
> more
>
>>>>post capabilities. Maybe this time?
>>>>
>>>>Imho, Apple is missing a big boat by not letting OSX loose, but I have
>
> a
>
>>>>feeling it might not play well with 80% of the hardware out there - one
>>>>reason for a closed system, and of course, profit is higher with a closed
>>>>platform, so I don't expect it to happen in the next 1425604 years. ;-)
>>>>
>>>>Dedric
>>>
>>>
>>>I feel like I'm about to pour gas on this thread. Would you be willing
>
> to
>
>>>pay $299.00 for a PC version of OSX if it was unsupported? Would you
>
> buy
>
>>>it if there was no iLife or iWorks for it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On 8/10/07 11:57 AM, in article 46bca718$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>><jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hey Dedric,
>>>>>I see where you are coming from. For my needs, the Mac Pro with OSX is
>>>
>>>just
>>>
>>>
>>>>>fine. 80-120 tracks is fine for what I do..Plus, I don't monitor via
>
> in
>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>box, so I can and do run my current DAW 2048 ms latency, which as you
>>>
>>>know,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>takes a "big" strain off the system resources..
>>>>>
>>>>>I guess, I'm really really impressed with OS-X and the ability to run
>>>
>>>(true)XP
>>>
>>>
>>>>>(via Boot Camp)on one machine. As well as, being ready for the NEW Logic
>>>>>Audio..
>>>>>
>>>>>having said that, I would run Os-X on my current DAWs if Apple allow
>
> for
>
>>>>>such. Yes, I know you can already do it(smile)..
>>>>>
>>>>>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>The interesting comparison would be to actually run the exact same project
>>>>>>on Cubase 4 under OSX and XP. 80 tracks and 5 verbs and 20 ren comps
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>stock EQ wouldn't make my core 2 sweat either (I've run way more than
>>>
>>>that
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>with only 30% cpu load or so).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Remember, the new macs are the exact same hardware as any core 2 or
>
> dual
>
>>>>>>core 2 PC, though the components may not be as high end as I might build
>>>>>
>>>>>for
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>one of my rigs. The German Keyboards mag review apparently found XP
>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>run
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>more plugins than OSX on the same hardware (intel dual core 2s).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Basically all you are getting is a nice box with a different OS. It
>>>
>>>might
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>be better multi-threaded - I would like to see some actual comparisons.
>>>>>
>>>>>I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>might have to load OSX on one of my PCs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 8/10/07 9:16 AM, in article 46bc8130$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hey Dedric,. The reason for this change is that Iwas over to a buddys
>>>>>
>>>>>studio
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>who btw runs PT-HD(8) Accel!! Yikes!! :) witha DM-2000.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But, since his studio is commercial he has to run all the major DAWs.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cubase
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>3 is one of them. His DAW computer in Studio A is an G5 (Quad-non Intel)...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, I ask him to do me a favor and let me see how Cubase SX3 runs
>>>
>>>on
>>>
>>>
>>>>>his
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mac. So, for testting we imported various wav files from ProTool sessions.
>>>>>>>Around 80 track..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We then activated 5 verbs on the sends.. Activated the on-board Eq(all
>>>>>
>>>>>4
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>bands). Called up about 20 Ren Comps..
>>>>>>>Hit the space bar..
>>>>>>>Ran liek a champ.. No skips hiccups.. Nothing...Mean while...In the
>>>
>>>back
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>round. we were surfing the web ...Had about 4 pages open, along with
>>>
>>>...Pro
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>Tools (HD) still open with a session..!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I was sold.. Because.. I assumes this machine as was one of newer (Intel)
>>>>>>>bases Macs Pros.. Nope..The G5 quad.
>>>>>>>Solid.. Solid Solid..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Don't get me wrong, my AMD Opteron PCs are solid as well, but, OS_X
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>ability to run XP as well, is a very powerful tandem to beat..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hey Lamont - my rig only goes online to grab updates to audio apps,
>>>>>>>>registration/response codes (which is getting annoying), but never
>>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>problem
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>with that. But even on the net PC that's online all day with email,
>>>>>
>>>>>Skype,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>etc, never had a virus, spyware, or malware. If OSX would only stop
>>>>>
>>>>>spam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>mail from being sent (not filtered, but shot down at the source via
>>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>large
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>burst of electricity designed to fry any and all spammer computers,
>>>
>>>Apple
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>would really have something.... ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Let me know how Nuendo runs on your new Mac though, seriously. You'll
>>>>>
>>>>>have
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to wait for N4 to run on the dual core 2 Mac under OSX at least (should
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>soon). I would be most interested in a head to head comparison of
>>>
>>>plugin
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>counts in the same project under Nuendo, not just similar projects,
>>>
>>>but
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>identical.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The last report I read comparing XP to OSX for DAW performance was
>>>
>>>from
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>Derek (used to be on this NG) - German Keyboards compared them and
>>>>>>>>apparently (I don't read German to confirm) XP won on plugin count
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>
>>>>>low
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>latency by a noticeable margin on the same hardware (even when run
>>>
>>>on
>>>
>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>same system as OSX via Bootcamp). He said even Logic ran better outside
>>>>>>>>OSX, but I'm not sure how that comparison was made since Logic 5 (Win)
>>>>>
>>>>>and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Logic 7 (OSX) might not be comparable. If OSX was a standalone OS,
>>>
>>>I
>>>
>>>
>>>>>would
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>buy it to have both and compare, but the fastest processing, lowest
>>>>>>>>bloat-factor OS would inevitably be the DAW system of choice for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 8/9/07 8:23 PM, in article 46bbcc3f$1@linux, "lamont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I agree..after we complete this cd project i'll be moving on to our
>>>>>
>>>>>new
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mac
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Pro(4 core) running Nuendo, PT and the new Apple Logic.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'm really burned out with XP and viruses..with getting on the
>>>>>>>>>internet..sorry
>>>>>>>>>but u like being able to go on the internet on my daw.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'll covert my current dual opteron daw into a dedicated vsti machine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>LAD
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Steve Helm" <shelm@radford.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Yeah, but having the stability and security of OS-X is worth much
>>>
>>>more
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>than
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>the difference in price between a PC and Mac.... especially in a
>>>
>>>pro
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Steve
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops (small
>>>>>>>>>>>business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>>>>>>>>>>>possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.).
>
> No
>
>>>>>extra
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>software or extended warranties.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>THe verdict:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>>>>>>>>>>>Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Still a ways to go.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>JH
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>>>>>>>>>>>>Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>>>>>>>>>>>>are out there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>>>>>>>>>>>>& price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>>>>>>>>>>>>LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Neil
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a general
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>purpose
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>much
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive
>>>>>
>>>>>or
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>taking
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>politics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know
>>>>>
>>>>>quite
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>number
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>of people get irritated by it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm not going to go to an Apple group for Apple updates but like
>>>>>
>>>>>to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>know
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>what's going on in Apple land so...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kim.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's 100 degrees in the shade here. I think I'm delirious.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Man what's up with you today? People post about all kinds
>
> of
>
>>>>>stuff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>here.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chuck
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>crap.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>That's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>what apple forums are for.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88910 is a reply to message #88908] |
Fri, 10 August 2007 21:22 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
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Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>On 8/10/07 7:59 PM, in article 46bd17fd$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> Imho, Apple is missing a big boat by not letting OSX loose, but I have
a
>>> feeling it might not play well with 80% of the hardware out there - one
>>> reason for a closed system, and of course, profit is higher with a closed
>>> platform, so I don't expect it to happen in the next 1425604 years. ;-)
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>
>> I feel like I'm about to pour gas on this thread. Would you be willing
to
>> pay $299.00 for a PC version of OSX if it was unsupported? Would you
buy
>> it if there was no iLife or iWorks for it?
>>
>
>Gas? Probably not - it seems to be a fair question -
>
>...but how could Apple sell OSX unsupported? AFAIK (from past corporate
>support experience) I don't think it is legal in the US to sell a product
>retail without some level of support unless the product is completely
>unsupported and sold as a non-retail product (e.g. can't make a Mac version
>with full support and a PC version for the same price and none, but you
>could sell OSX for both platforms with limited support).
>
>Regardless, as has been said before iWork is extra, not included, so that
>doesn't count. iLife is $79 to upgrade to the new version, so it isn't
>exactly an OS "feature", and it's a home user/recreational set of tools,
not
>something I would consider a must for professional use (iChat might come
in
>handy for client communication, but Skype works quite well for free). iLife
>is an app just like any other.
>
>$299 for OSX? If it really provided some specific advantage for the price,
>but it's more than I pay for WinXP (I only pay $139 for WinXP Pro (OEM)
>since I build my own machines (e.g. that meets the license requirement for
>the OEM version). Like Dave, I don't need iLife - just an OS, stripped
down
>running fast. iWork might come in handy for only $79 vs. MS Office since
I
>don't need the full capabilities of Office and do get MS Word and Excel
docs
>from clients, but again, it is an add on, not an OS feature.
>
>Beyond that, I'm not what the context of your question is. Is Apple
>considering such a move?
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>
No, I was just curious.
>>>
>>> On 8/10/07 11:57 AM, in article 46bca718$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>> <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Dedric,
>>>> I see where you are coming from. For my needs, the Mac Pro with OSX
is
>> just
>>>> fine. 80-120 tracks is fine for what I do..Plus, I don't monitor via
in
>> the
>>>> box, so I can and do run my current DAW 2048 ms latency, which as you
>> know,
>>>> takes a "big" strain off the system resources..
>>>>
>>>> I guess, I'm really really impressed with OS-X and the ability to run
>> (true)XP
>>>> (via Boot Camp)on one machine. As well as, being ready for the NEW Logic
>>>> Audio..
>>>>
>>>> having said that, I would run Os-X on my current DAWs if Apple allow
for
>>>> such. Yes, I know you can already do it(smile)..
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> The interesting comparison would be to actually run the exact same
project
>>>>> on Cubase 4 under OSX and XP. 80 tracks and 5 verbs and 20 ren comps
>> and
>>>>> stock EQ wouldn't make my core 2 sweat either (I've run way more than
>> that
>>>>> with only 30% cpu load or so).
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember, the new macs are the exact same hardware as any core 2 or
dual
>>>>> core 2 PC, though the components may not be as high end as I might
build
>>>> for
>>>>> one of my rigs. The German Keyboards mag review apparently found XP
>> to
>>>> run
>>>>> more plugins than OSX on the same hardware (intel dual core 2s).
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically all you are getting is a nice box with a different OS. It
>> might
>>>>> be better multi-threaded - I would like to see some actual comparisons.
>>>> I
>>>>> might have to load OSX on one of my PCs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/10/07 9:16 AM, in article 46bc8130$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Dedric,. The reason for this change is that Iwas over to a buddys
>>>> studio
>>>>>> who btw runs PT-HD(8) Accel!! Yikes!! :) witha DM-2000.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, since his studio is commercial he has to run all the major DAWs.
>>>> Cubase
>>>>>> 3 is one of them. His DAW computer in Studio A is an G5 (Quad-non
>>>>>> Intel)...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I ask him to do me a favor and let me see how Cubase SX3 runs
>> on
>>>> his
>>>>>> Mac. So, for testting we imported various wav files from ProTool sessions.
>>>>>> Around 80 track..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We then activated 5 verbs on the sends.. Activated the on-board Eq(all
>>>> 4
>>>>>> bands). Called up about 20 Ren Comps..
>>>>>> Hit the space bar..
>>>>>> Ran liek a champ.. No skips hiccups.. Nothing...Mean while...In the
>> back
>>>>>> round. we were surfing the web ...Had about 4 pages open, along with
>> ...Pro
>>>>>> Tools (HD) still open with a session..!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was sold.. Because.. I assumes this machine as was one of newer
(Intel)
>>>>>> bases Macs Pros.. Nope..The G5 quad.
>>>>>> Solid.. Solid Solid..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't get me wrong, my AMD Opteron PCs are solid as well, but, OS_X
>> and
>>>> the
>>>>>> ability to run XP as well, is a very powerful tandem to beat..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey Lamont - my rig only goes online to grab updates to audio apps,
>>>>>>> registration/response codes (which is getting annoying), but never
>> a
>>>> problem
>>>>>>> with that. But even on the net PC that's online all day with email,
>>>> Skype,
>>>>>>> etc, never had a virus, spyware, or malware. If OSX would only stop
>>>> spam
>>>>>>> mail from being sent (not filtered, but shot down at the source via
>> a
>>>> large
>>>>>>> burst of electricity designed to fry any and all spammer computers,
>> Apple
>>>>>>> would really have something.... ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me know how Nuendo runs on your new Mac though, seriously. You'll
>>>> have
>>>>>>> to wait for N4 to run on the dual core 2 Mac under OSX at least (should
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> soon). I would be most interested in a head to head comparison of
>> plugin
>>>>>>> counts in the same project under Nuendo, not just similar projects,
>> but
>>>>>>> identical.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The last report I read comparing XP to OSX for DAW performance was
>> from
>>>>>>> Derek (used to be on this NG) - German Keyboards compared them and
>>>>>>> apparently (I don't read German to confirm) XP won on plugin count
>> and
>>>> low
>>>>>>> latency by a noticeable margin on the same hardware (even when run
>> on
>>>> the
>>>>>>> same system as OSX via Bootcamp). He said even Logic ran better
outside
>>>>>>> OSX, but I'm not sure how that comparison was made since Logic 5
(Win)
>>>> and
>>>>>>> Logic 7 (OSX) might not be comparable. If OSX was a standalone OS,
>> I
>>>> would
>>>>>>> buy it to have both and compare, but the fastest processing, lowest
>>>>>>> bloat-factor OS would inevitably be the DAW system of choice for
me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/9/07 8:23 PM, in article 46bbcc3f$1@linux, "lamont"
>>>>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree..after we complete this cd project i'll be moving on to
our
>>>> new
>>>>>> Mac
>>>>>>>> Pro(4 core) running Nuendo, PT and the new Apple Logic.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm really burned out with XP and viruses..with getting on the
>>>>>>>> internet..sorry
>>>>>>>> but u like being able to go on the internet on my daw.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll covert my current dual opteron daw into a dedicated vsti machine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LAD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Steve Helm" <shelm@radford.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but having the stability and security of OS-X is worth much
>> more
>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>> the difference in price between a PC and Mac.... especially in
a
>> pro
>>>>>>>>> environment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops
(small
>>>>>>>>>> business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best
as
>>>>>>>>>> possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.).
No
>>>> extra
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> software or extended warranties.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> THe verdict:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>>>>>>>>>> Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Still a ways to go.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> JH
>>>>>>>>>>> I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>>>>>>>>>>> Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>>>>>>>>>>> are out there.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>>>>>>>>>>> & price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a general
>>>>>> purpose
>>>>>>>>>>>> "music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty
>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive
>>>> or
>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>>>>>> over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some
of
>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> politics
>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know
>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> number
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> of people get irritated by it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not going to go to an Apple group for Apple updates but
like
>>>> to
>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>>> what's going on in Apple land so...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kim.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's 100 degrees in the shade here. I think I'm delirious.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Man what's up with you today? People post about all kinds
of
>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple
>>>>>> crap.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what apple forums are for.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88911 is a reply to message #88910] |
Fri, 10 August 2007 21:43 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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On 8/10/07 10:22 PM, in article 46bd3997$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
<excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> No, I was just curious.
>
That's cool. Both Apple and MS add stuff not everyone needs, and both are
just trying to provide apps a lot of people do use. For me, whichever OS
runs better for what I do would is my preference, regardless of who makes it
- but without a standalone version of OSX it's hard to make that call since
I can't pair it with the hardware I prefer. And without 3rd party support
for Linux, that's out as well. If I ran Logic (which is a great app), no
doubt, I'd have a Mac... or 2 or 3.
I'm also not knocking iLife - it is a nice suite of handy apps that MS
doesn't have a comparable product (the functions are there in Media Player,
Movie Maker, etc, but iLife's apps are more user friendly). I also wouldn't
mind iWork over Office - I've seriously considered a MacBook for that reason
(the "upgrade" to Office 2007 to run on Vista (I have Office 2003 or
something like that) is $275 - not exactly a bargain for more than I would
ever use. I like that iWork supports MS Word Docs, Excel, and Powerpoint
docs, and for only $79. Seems like a good deal to me.
Regards,
Dedric
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| Re: FYI: iLife 08', iWork 08' and new iMacs released. [message #88912 is a reply to message #88911] |
Fri, 10 August 2007 22:09 |
Aaron Allen
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(the "upgrade" to Office 2007 to run on Vista (I have Office 2003 or
> something like that) is $275 - not exactly a bargain for more than I =
would
> ever use. I like that iWork supports MS Word Docs, Excel, and =
Powerpoint
> docs, and for only $79. Seems like a good deal to me.
......
Dedric.. two words bro: Open Office
Or use Google's free online docs/spreadsheets capabilities.
AA
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message =
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> On 8/10/07 10:22 PM, in article 46bd3997$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>=20
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>>=20
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> for Linux, that's out as well. If I ran Logic (which is a great app), =
no
> doubt, I'd have a Mac... or 2 or 3.
>=20
> I'm also not knocking iLife - it is a nice suite of handy apps that MS
> doesn't have a comparable product (the functions are there in Media =
Player,
> Movie Maker, etc, but iLife's apps are more user friendly). I also =
wouldn't
> mind iWork over Office - I've seriously considered a MacBook for that =
reason
> (the "upgrade" to Office 2007 to run on Vista (I have Office 2003 or
> something like that) is $275 - not exactly a bargain for more than I =
would
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