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| Perfect drummiking-triggering for super production ! [message #78079] |
Tue, 09 January 2007 12:08  |
Dimitrios musurgioote
Messages: 2
Registered: January 2007
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I am cobnvinced now that the best workuing method for triggering drums and
making a great drum production is at least also the following:
I bought me Digisound drumtriggers for 15 euros 8 pieces.
I attached them on sanre tom kick using doublesided adhesive tape and put
their output DIRECTLY to a SEPARATE Paris input module along with normal
recorded drums.
No preamp needed !!!
Just hook it unbalanced to Paris in and you get a healthy recorded sound
that sounds AWFUL but healthy enouph to drive DRUMAGOG, yes that beauty plugin.
Amazing results no false triggering because you actually use the sound and
not some fance trigger to midi to sound thing...
Just tailor drumagog to trigger the right way.
By the way their snare is fabulous.
These triggers are touch sensituive so you record the actual drumming with
volume variations.
The drumagog snae is multisampled (many many samples there) from very low
hits to very loud.
Vwery very convincing...
So you record different tracks , kick snare toms and yiou put drumagog on
every one with appropriatte samples.
Use your drum overhead for some room ambience or you cam use some good reverb
for creating that.
You can also attach them to cymbals !!.
I am sure it will work just fine.
The hihat is a problem though so kepp this live ! :)
You can kepp all your cymbals live by the way ...
Perfect world we live in right?
ow I will not care if I will record that perfect snare that will not contain
that hihat again in it...
Regards,
Dimitrios
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| Re: Perfect drummiking-triggering for super production ! [message #78118 is a reply to message #78099] |
Tue, 09 January 2007 23:54  |
Dimitrios
Messages: 1056
Registered: August 2005
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Live would be impossible hearing drumagog playing because for best triggering
it uses around 50ms delay ...
It has a live feature which sounds but in my system at least...
Also I don't thjink Paris monitors VST/DX when recording.
You have to have another audio card running VST for live monitoring...
I am sure with some exhausting tests you may come up with a working solution
but in any case you moght need a second computer with audio card for that...
Regards,
Dimitrios
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
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>Hey Dimitrios,
>
>Does Drumagog trigger live from mic inputs? That is, do you hear the
>drumagog samples as you play the kit?
>
>Or is a post process plugin that you apply after you record the trigger
>signals? And then only hear the drumagog samples after you've recorded
>the trigger signals and then applied drumagog to them?
>
>If drumagog plays in real time from the kit with no trigger-to-midi
>needed, I could play it at live shows directly from my ddrum triggers.
>Would that be possible?
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>Dimitrios wrote:
>> http://cgi.ebay.de/5-Original-DIGISOUND-Schlagzeug-E-Drum-Tr igger_W0QQitemZ120072718740QQihZ002QQcategoryZ46611QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem
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>> http://cgi.ebay.de/20-E-Drum-Trigger-fuer-Schlagzeug-Pads-zu m-Selbstbau_W0QQitemZ190069327448QQihZ009QQcategoryZ46611QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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>> http://cgi.ebay.de/5-Original-DIGISOUND-Schlagzeug-E-Drum-Tr igger_W0QQitemZ120072401848QQihZ002QQcategoryZ46611QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>> link please..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Brandon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <Dimitrios musurgio#otenet.gr> wrote in message news:45a3e838$1@linux...
>>>> I am cobnvinced now that the best workuing method for triggering drums
>> and
>>>> making a great drum production is at least also the following:
>>>> I bought me Digisound drumtriggers for 15 euros 8 pieces.
>>>> I attached them on sanre tom kick using doublesided adhesive tape and
>> put
>>>> their output DIRECTLY to a SEPARATE Paris input module along with normal
>>>> recorded drums.
>>>> No preamp needed !!!
>>>> Just hook it unbalanced to Paris in and you get a healthy recorded sound
>>>> that sounds AWFUL but healthy enouph to drive DRUMAGOG, yes that beauty
>>> plugin.
>>>> Amazing results no false triggering because you actually use the sound
>> and
>>>> not some fance trigger to midi to sound thing...
>>>> Just tailor drumagog to trigger the right way.
>>>> By the way their snare is fabulous.
>>>> These triggers are touch sensituive so you record the actual drumming
>> with
>>>> volume variations.
>>>> The drumagog snae is multisampled (many many samples there) from very
>> low
>>>> hits to very loud.
>>>> Vwery very convincing...
>>>> So you record different tracks , kick snare toms and yiou put drumagog
>> on
>>>> every one with appropriatte samples.
>>>> Use your drum overhead for some room ambience or you cam use some good
>>> reverb
>>>> for creating that.
>>>> You can also attach them to cymbals !!.
>>>> I am sure it will work just fine.
>>>> The hihat is a problem though so kepp this live ! :)
>>>> You can kepp all your cymbals live by the way ...
>>>> Perfect world we live in right?
>>>> ow I will not care if I will record that perfect snare that will not
>>> contain
>>>> that hihat again in it...
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dimitrios
>>>
>>
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| Re: Perfect drummiking-triggering for super production ! [message #78122 is a reply to message #78118] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 00:31 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Thanks Dimitrios! I'd be running it in Logic on a fast Mac. But if it
has an operating delay then you're right, it won't work for live
performance.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Dimitrios wrote:
> Live would be impossible hearing drumagog playing because for best triggering
> it uses around 50ms delay ...
> It has a live feature which sounds but in my system at least...
> Also I don't thjink Paris monitors VST/DX when recording.
> You have to have another audio card running VST for live monitoring...
> I am sure with some exhausting tests you may come up with a working solution
> but in any case you moght need a second computer with audio card for that...
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> Hey Dimitrios,
>>
>> Does Drumagog trigger live from mic inputs? That is, do you hear the
>> drumagog samples as you play the kit?
>>
>> Or is a post process plugin that you apply after you record the trigger
>
>> signals? And then only hear the drumagog samples after you've recorded
>> the trigger signals and then applied drumagog to them?
>>
>> If drumagog plays in real time from the kit with no trigger-to-midi
>> needed, I could play it at live shows directly from my ddrum triggers.
>> Would that be possible?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> Dimitrios wrote:
>>> http://cgi.ebay.de/5-Original-DIGISOUND-Schlagzeug-E-Drum-Tr igger_W0QQitemZ120072718740QQihZ002QQcategoryZ46611QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem
>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.de/20-E-Drum-Trigger-fuer-Schlagzeug-Pads-zu m-Selbstbau_W0QQitemZ190069327448QQihZ009QQcategoryZ46611QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.de/5-Original-DIGISOUND-Schlagzeug-E-Drum-Tr igger_W0QQitemZ120072401848QQihZ002QQcategoryZ46611QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>>>
>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>> link please..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Brandon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <Dimitrios musurgio#otenet.gr> wrote in message news:45a3e838$1@linux...
>>>>> I am cobnvinced now that the best workuing method for triggering drums
>>> and
>>>>> making a great drum production is at least also the following:
>>>>> I bought me Digisound drumtriggers for 15 euros 8 pieces.
>>>>> I attached them on sanre tom kick using doublesided adhesive tape and
>>> put
>>>>> their output DIRECTLY to a SEPARATE Paris input module along with normal
>>>>> recorded drums.
>>>>> No preamp needed !!!
>>>>> Just hook it unbalanced to Paris in and you get a healthy recorded sound
>>>>> that sounds AWFUL but healthy enouph to drive DRUMAGOG, yes that beauty
>>>> plugin.
>>>>> Amazing results no false triggering because you actually use the sound
>>> and
>>>>> not some fance trigger to midi to sound thing...
>>>>> Just tailor drumagog to trigger the right way.
>>>>> By the way their snare is fabulous.
>>>>> These triggers are touch sensituive so you record the actual drumming
>>> with
>>>>> volume variations.
>>>>> The drumagog snae is multisampled (many many samples there) from very
>>> low
>>>>> hits to very loud.
>>>>> Vwery very convincing...
>>>>> So you record different tracks , kick snare toms and yiou put drumagog
>>> on
>>>>> every one with appropriatte samples.
>>>>> Use your drum overhead for some room ambience or you cam use some good
>>>> reverb
>>>>> for creating that.
>>>>> You can also attach them to cymbals !!.
>>>>> I am sure it will work just fine.
>>>>> The hihat is a problem though so kepp this live ! :)
>>>>> You can kepp all your cymbals live by the way ...
>>>>> Perfect world we live in right?
>>>>> ow I will not care if I will record that perfect snare that will not
>>>> contain
>>>>> that hihat again in it...
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dimitrios
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| Re: Perfect drummiking-triggering for super production ! [message #78126 is a reply to message #78118] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 05:16 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
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> Also I don't thjink Paris monitors VST/DX when recording.
I wonder if Chucks new project could fix this?
--
Thanks,
B
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:45a48d96$1@linux...
>
> Live would be impossible hearing drumagog playing because for best
triggering
> it uses around 50ms delay ...
> It has a live feature which sounds but in my system at least...
> Also I don't thjink Paris monitors VST/DX when recording.
> You have to have another audio card running VST for live monitoring...
> I am sure with some exhausting tests you may come up with a working
solution
> but in any case you moght need a second computer with audio card for
that...
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> >
> >Hey Dimitrios,
> >
> >Does Drumagog trigger live from mic inputs? That is, do you hear the
> >drumagog samples as you play the kit?
> >
> >Or is a post process plugin that you apply after you record the trigger
>
> >signals? And then only hear the drumagog samples after you've recorded
> >the trigger signals and then applied drumagog to them?
> >
> >If drumagog plays in real time from the kit with no trigger-to-midi
> >needed, I could play it at live shows directly from my ddrum triggers.
> >Would that be possible?
> >
> >Cheers,
> > -Jamie
> > www.JamieKrutz.com
> >
> >
> >Dimitrios wrote:
> >>
http://cgi.ebay.de/5-Original-DIGISOUND-Schlagzeug-E-Drum-Tr igger_W0QQitemZ120072718740QQihZ002QQcategoryZ46611QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem
> >>
> >>
http://cgi.ebay.de/20-E-Drum-Trigger-fuer-Schlagzeug-Pads-zu m-Selbstbau_W0QQitemZ190069327448QQihZ009QQcategoryZ46611QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> >>
> >>
http://cgi.ebay.de/5-Original-DIGISOUND-Schlagzeug-E-Drum-Tr igger_W0QQitemZ120072401848QQihZ002QQcategoryZ46611QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> >>
> >> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
> >>> link please..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Brandon
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> <Dimitrios musurgio#otenet.gr> wrote in message
news:45a3e838$1@linux...
> >>>> I am cobnvinced now that the best workuing method for triggering
drums
> >> and
> >>>> making a great drum production is at least also the following:
> >>>> I bought me Digisound drumtriggers for 15 euros 8 pieces.
> >>>> I attached them on sanre tom kick using doublesided adhesive tape and
> >> put
> >>>> their output DIRECTLY to a SEPARATE Paris input module along with
normal
> >>>> recorded drums.
> >>>> No preamp needed !!!
> >>>> Just hook it unbalanced to Paris in and you get a healthy recorded
sound
> >>>> that sounds AWFUL but healthy enouph to drive DRUMAGOG, yes that
beauty
> >>> plugin.
> >>>> Amazing results no false triggering because you actually use the
sound
> >> and
> >>>> not some fance trigger to midi to sound thing...
> >>>> Just tailor drumagog to trigger the right way.
> >>>> By the way their snare is fabulous.
> >>>> These triggers are touch sensituive so you record the actual drumming
> >> with
> >>>> volume variations.
> >>>> The drumagog snae is multisampled (many many samples there) from very
> >> low
> >>>> hits to very loud.
> >>>> Vwery very convincing...
> >>>> So you record different tracks , kick snare toms and yiou put
drumagog
> >> on
> >>>> every one with appropriatte samples.
> >>>> Use your drum overhead for some room ambience or you cam use some
good
> >>> reverb
> >>>> for creating that.
> >>>> You can also attach them to cymbals !!.
> >>>> I am sure it will work just fine.
> >>>> The hihat is a problem though so kepp this live ! :)
> >>>> You can kepp all your cymbals live by the way ...
> >>>> Perfect world we live in right?
> >>>> ow I will not care if I will record that perfect snare that will not
> >>> contain
> >>>> that hihat again in it...
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Dimitrios
> >>>
> >>
>
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| Re: Perfect drummiking-triggering for super production ! [message #78143 is a reply to message #78106] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 09:57 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
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Well, it is in my current set up also, but I was thinking in the mind set of
using Drumagog to replace the drums completely through triggers rather than
just augmenting them. I use Drumagog to "add" to my acoustic drum tracks all
the time, but sometimes I'd like to have totally synth or whacked out drum
kit sounds. I thought about using triggers and mesh heads on a second "el
cheapo" drum kit to get a poor man's Roland TD-20 if you will. I could never
go completely electronic with the drums. As good as some of the electronic
kits out there are, they still don't have all the nuances of real drums.
Tony
"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
news:45a44d44$1@linux...
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> Having the drums in the overheads is usually crucial to my sounds...
> ymmv...
>
>
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>Brandon,
>>
>>I would think any piezo drum triggers would work for this scenario. I've
>
>>been thinking about buying some mesh drum heads and using triggers with
> them
>>like Dimitrios. This would get most of the actual drum sound out of the
>
>>overheads. Check this link for some ideas.
>>
>>http://www.harmony-central.com/Drums/EDW/triggers.html
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45a3f297@linux...
>>> Thanks, but I cant read that. ;-(
>>> Do they ship to USA?
>>>
>>> I dont see any on Ebay USA.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Brandon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message
>>> news:45a3f14c$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.de/5-Original-DIGISOUND-Schlagzeug-E-Drum-Tr igger_W0QQitemZ120072718740QQihZ002QQcategoryZ46611QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem
>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.de/20-E-Drum-Trigger-fuer-Schlagzeug-Pads-zu m-Selbstbau_W0QQitemZ190069327448QQihZ009QQcategoryZ46611QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.de/5-Original-DIGISOUND-Schlagzeug-E-Drum-Tr igger_W0QQitemZ120072401848QQihZ002QQcategoryZ46611QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>>>>
>>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>> >link please..
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >--
>>>> >Thanks,
>>>> >
>>>> >Brandon
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> ><Dimitrios musurgio#otenet.gr> wrote in message
>>>> >news:45a3e838$1@linux...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I am cobnvinced now that the best workuing method for triggering
>>>> >> drums
>>>> and
>>>> >> making a great drum production is at least also the following:
>>>> >> I bought me Digisound drumtriggers for 15 euros 8 pieces.
>>>> >> I attached them on sanre tom kick using doublesided adhesive tape
> and
>>>> put
>>>> >> their output DIRECTLY to a SEPARATE Paris input module along with
>>> normal
>>>> >> recorded drums.
>>>> >> No preamp needed !!!
>>>> >> Just hook it unbalanced to Paris in and you get a healthy recorded
>>> sound
>>>> >> that sounds AWFUL but healthy enouph to drive DRUMAGOG, yes that
>>>> >> beauty
>>>> >plugin.
>>>> >> Amazing results no false triggering because you actually use the
>>>> >> sound
>>>> and
>>>> >> not some fance trigger to midi to sound thing...
>>>> >> Just tailor drumagog to trigger the right way.
>>>> >> By the way their snare is fabulous.
>>>> >> These triggers are touch sensituive so you record the actual
>>>> >> drumming
>>>> with
>>>> >> volume variations.
>>>> >> The drumagog snae is multisampled (many many samples there) from
>>>> >> very
>>>> low
>>>> >> hits to very loud.
>>>> >> Vwery very convincing...
>>>> >> So you record different tracks , kick snare toms and yiou put
>>>> >> drumagog
>>>> on
>>>> >> every one with appropriatte samples.
>>>> >> Use your drum overhead for some room ambience or you cam use some
> good
>>>> >reverb
>>>> >> for creating that.
>>>> >> You can also attach them to cymbals !!.
>>>> >> I am sure it will work just fine.
>>>> >> The hihat is a problem though so kepp this live ! :)
>>>> >> You can kepp all your cymbals live by the way ...
>>>> >> Perfect world we live in right?
>>>> >> ow I will not care if I will record that perfect snare that will not
>>>> >contain
>>>> >> that hihat again in it...
>>>> >> Regards,
>>>> >> Dimitrios
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Perfect drummiking-triggering for super production ! [message #78145 is a reply to message #78122] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 10:15 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
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Jamie,
Drumagog will trigger fine live. In "live" mode, Drumagog has almost zero
latency, but the accuracy is lower as far as dynamic tracking. It tracks
your playing just fine, but it won't be as accurate choosing which sample to
play back. This sounds worse than it really is and I think it would work
just fine for live triggering.
Here's what the Drumagog site says:
"Live Triggering Mode: This zero-latency mode is designed for use in a live
Drumagog setup. For example, when using Drumagog as an insert on the main
console in a live concert performance, or using Drumagog as a "drum brain"
for drum trigger pads. However, it doesn't offer the same triggering quality
as the other modes, and is only recommended for use in situations that
demand zero latency."
Tony
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45a4a15a@linux...
>
> Thanks Dimitrios! I'd be running it in Logic on a fast Mac. But if it has
> an operating delay then you're right, it won't work for live performance.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> Dimitrios wrote:
>> Live would be impossible hearing drumagog playing because for best
>> triggering
>> it uses around 50ms delay ...
>> It has a live feature which sounds but in my system at least...
>> Also I don't thjink Paris monitors VST/DX when recording.
>> You have to have another audio card running VST for live monitoring...
>> I am sure with some exhausting tests you may come up with a working
>> solution
>> but in any case you moght need a second computer with audio card for
>> that...
>> Regards,
>> Dimitrios
>>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>> Hey Dimitrios,
>>>
>>> Does Drumagog trigger live from mic inputs? That is, do you hear the
>>> drumagog samples as you play the kit?
>>>
>>> Or is a post process plugin that you apply after you record the trigger
>>
>>> signals? And then only hear the drumagog samples after you've recorded
>>> the trigger signals and then applied drumagog to them?
>>>
>>> If drumagog plays in real time from the kit with no trigger-to-midi
>>> needed, I could play it at live shows directly from my ddrum triggers.
>>> Would that be possible?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Dimitrios wrote:
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.de/5-Original-DIGISOUND-Schlagzeug-E-Drum-Tr igger_W0QQitemZ120072718740QQihZ002QQcategoryZ46611QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem
>>>>
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.de/20-E-Drum-Trigger-fuer-Schlagzeug-Pads-zu m-Selbstbau_W0QQitemZ190069327448QQihZ009QQcategoryZ46611QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>>>>
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.de/5-Original-DIGISOUND-Schlagzeug-E-Drum-Tr igger_W0QQitemZ120072401848QQihZ002QQcategoryZ46611QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>>>>
>>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>> link please..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Brandon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <Dimitrios musurgio#otenet.gr> wrote in message
>>>>> news:45a3e838$1@linux...
>>>>>> I am cobnvinced now that the best workuing method for triggering
>>>>>> drums
>>>> and
>>>>>> making a great drum production is at least also the following:
>>>>>> I bought me Digisound drumtriggers for 15 euros 8 pieces.
>>>>>> I attached them on sanre tom kick using doublesided adhesive tape and
>>>> put
>>>>>> their output DIRECTLY to a SEPARATE Paris input module along with
>>>>>> normal
>>>>>> recorded drums.
>>>>>> No preamp needed !!!
>>>>>> Just hook it unbalanced to Paris in and you get a healthy recorded
>>>>>> sound
>>>>>> that sounds AWFUL but healthy enouph to drive DRUMAGOG, yes that
>>>>>> beauty
>>>>> plugin.
>>>>>> Amazing results no false triggering because you actually use the
>>>>>> sound
>>>> and
>>>>>> not some fance trigger to midi to sound thing...
>>>>>> Just tailor drumagog to trigger the right way.
>>>>>> By the way their snare is fabulous.
>>>>>> These triggers are touch sensituive so you record the actual drumming
>>>> with
>>>>>> volume variations.
>>>>>> The drumagog snae is multisampled (many many samples there) from very
>>>> low
>>>>>> hits to very loud.
>>>>>> Vwery very convincing...
>>>>>> So you record different tracks , kick snare toms and yiou put
>>>>>> drumagog
>>>> on
>>>>>> every one with appropriatte samples.
>>>>>> Use your drum overhead for some room ambience or you cam use some
>>>>>> good
>>>>> reverb
>>>>>> for creating that.
>>>>>> You can also attach them to cymbals !!.
>>>>>> I am sure it will work just fine.
>>>>>> The hihat is a problem though so kepp this live ! :)
>>>>>> You can kepp all your cymbals live by the way ...
>>>>>> Perfect world we live in right?
>>>>>> ow I will not care if I will record that perfect snare that will not
>>>>> contain
>>>>>> that hihat again in it...
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dimitrios
>>
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| Re: Perfect drummiking-triggering for super production ! [message #78153 is a reply to message #78145] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 12:24 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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Thanks Tony! That's encouraging, I'll have to see if anyone local can
give a demo.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Tony Benson wrote:
> Jamie,
>
> Drumagog will trigger fine live. In "live" mode, Drumagog has almost zero
> latency, but the accuracy is lower as far as dynamic tracking. It tracks
> your playing just fine, but it won't be as accurate choosing which sample to
> play back. This sounds worse than it really is and I think it would work
> just fine for live triggering.
>
> Here's what the Drumagog site says:
>
> "Live Triggering Mode: This zero-latency mode is designed for use in a live
> Drumagog setup. For example, when using Drumagog as an insert on the main
> console in a live concert performance, or using Drumagog as a "drum brain"
> for drum trigger pads. However, it doesn't offer the same triggering quality
> as the other modes, and is only recommended for use in situations that
> demand zero latency."
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45a4a15a@linux...
>> Thanks Dimitrios! I'd be running it in Logic on a fast Mac. But if it has
>> an operating delay then you're right, it won't work for live performance.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> Dimitrios wrote:
>>> Live would be impossible hearing drumagog playing because for best
>>> triggering
>>> it uses around 50ms delay ...
>>> It has a live feature which sounds but in my system at least...
>>> Also I don't thjink Paris monitors VST/DX when recording.
>>> You have to have another audio card running VST for live monitoring...
>>> I am sure with some exhausting tests you may come up with a working
>>> solution
>>> but in any case you moght need a second computer with audio card for
>>> that...
>>> Regards,
>>> Dimitrios
>>>
>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>> Hey Dimitrios,
>>>>
>>>> Does Drumagog trigger live from mic inputs? That is, do you hear the
>>>> drumagog samples as you play the kit?
>>>>
>>>> Or is a post process plugin that you apply after you record the trigger
>>>> signals? And then only hear the drumagog samples after you've recorded
>>>> the trigger signals and then applied drumagog to them?
>>>>
>>>> If drumagog plays in real time from the kit with no trigger-to-midi
>>>> needed, I could play it at live shows directly from my ddrum triggers.
>>>> Would that be possible?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dimitrios wrote:
>>>>> http://cgi.ebay.de/5-Original-DIGISOUND-Schlagzeug-E-Drum-Tr igger_W0QQitemZ120072718740QQihZ002QQcategoryZ46611QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem
>>>>>
>>>>> http://cgi.ebay.de/20-E-Drum-Trigger-fuer-Schlagzeug-Pads-zu m-Selbstbau_W0QQitemZ190069327448QQihZ009QQcategoryZ46611QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>>>>>
>>>>> http://cgi.ebay.de/5-Original-DIGISOUND-Schlagzeug-E-Drum-Tr igger_W0QQitemZ120072401848QQihZ002QQcategoryZ46611QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>>>>>
>>>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>> link please..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brandon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <Dimitrios musurgio#otenet.gr> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:45a3e838$1@linux...
>>>>>>> I am cobnvinced now that the best workuing method for triggering
>>>>>>> drums
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> making a great drum production is at least also the following:
>>>>>>> I bought me Digisound drumtriggers for 15 euros 8 pieces.
>>>>>>> I attached them on sanre tom kick using doublesided adhesive tape and
>>>>> put
>>>>>>> their output DIRECTLY to a SEPARATE Paris input module along with
>>>>>>> normal
>>>>>>> recorded drums.
>>>>>>> No preamp needed !!!
>>>>>>> Just hook it unbalanced to Paris in and you get a healthy recorded
>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>> that sounds AWFUL but healthy enouph to drive DRUMAGOG, yes that
>>>>>>> beauty
>>>>>> plugin.
>>>>>>> Amazing results no false triggering because you actually use the
>>>>>>> sound
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> not some fance trigger to midi to sound thing...
>>>>>>> Just tailor drumagog to trigger the right way.
>>>>>>> By the way their snare is fabulous.
>>>>>>> These triggers are touch sensituive so you record the actual drumming
>>>>> with
>>>>>>> volume variations.
>>>>>>> The drumagog snae is multisampled (many many samples there) from very
>>>>> low
>>>>>>> hits to very loud.
>>>>>>> Vwery very convincing...
>>>>>>> So you record different tracks , kick snare toms and yiou put
>>>>>>> drumagog
>>>>> on
>>>>>>> every one with appropriatte samples.
>>>>>>> Use your drum overhead for some room ambience or you cam use some
>>>>>>> good
>>>>>> reverb
>>>>>>> for creating that.
>>>>>>> You can also attach them to cymbals !!.
>>>>>>> I am sure it will work just fine.
>>>>>>> The hihat is a problem though so kepp this live ! :)
>>>>>>> You can kepp all your cymbals live by the way ...
>>>>>>> Perfect world we live in right?
>>>>>>> ow I will not care if I will record that perfect snare that will not
>>>>>> contain
>>>>>>> that hihat again in it...
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Dimitrios
>
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