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| Re: A question about Cubase 4 [message #76728 is a reply to message #76726] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 11:58   |
Dedric Terry
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Hi DJ,
I don't use Acid - what are you looking to do that SX3 didn't?
I don't know how much is new in the looping area, but C4 and N3 both support
Rex and Acid
loops - automatically matched to tempo. Of course for extending loops you
don't have a single
loop object feature as with Live/Acid, but rather duplicate, repeat, or fill
loop (set your loop points
for a section, select a loop object (1 bar drum loop, whatever), and "fill
loop" will repeat that object
for each measure or set of measures over the range. Of course all of this
is much faster if
you just assign keycommands. Then there are hitpoints, etc to do much of
what Rex files do.
Of course you also have Play Order Tracks to alter your arrangement in as
many ways you might like.
Regards,
Dedric
"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:45747206@linux...
> I'm getting soem requests for radio ads here. One thing I've always loved
> about ACID is that it's so easy to paint up a generic soundtrack. I've got
> ACIOD V4.0 here and I'm getting ready to load it up and go to work but
> I've been thinking of upgrading to Cubase 4 and I hear it has a much
> improved way of dealing with loops than SX3 did.
> Has anyone tried this? I'd love to be able to *paint audio* in Cubase but
> I'm not really crazy about having to deal with a bunch of workarounds to
> get it to function in a similar way o ACID. I just want it to work.
>
> Does it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Deej
>
>
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| Re: A question about Cubase 4 [message #76731 is a reply to message #76728] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 12:11 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
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What I like about ACID is that I can just insert a loop and paint it across
as many bars as I want and manipulate it to death quickly and easily. What I
don't like about what I'm hearing about Cubase 4 is that it doesn't have DX
support (and I do use a few old DX plugins that I want to keep using). My
Cubase>Paris scenario is *exactly* as I want it right now and since I don't
record to Cubase and I'm comfortable with it's v3 interface, the new CR (and
other) upgrade features don't really give me anything I really need as far
as I can see......plus, I've heard of problems with Cubase 4 and the Houston
controller and I don't need another hardware interfacing headache.
The ACID Pro 6.0 demo is downloading now. It's fully functional for 30 days
(except you can't render to MP3-not an issue for me) and supports Rewire,
ASIO and rudimentary video support. The upgrade price is $199.00 if I decide
I want it.same as Cubase SX 3x > Cubase 4.
Looks pretty cool.
We'll see.
;o)
"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message news:45747b9a$1@linux...
> Hi DJ,
>
> I don't use Acid - what are you looking to do that SX3 didn't?
>
> I don't know how much is new in the looping area, but C4 and N3 both
> support Rex and Acid
> loops - automatically matched to tempo. Of course for extending loops you
> don't have a single
> loop object feature as with Live/Acid, but rather duplicate, repeat, or
> fill loop (set your loop points
> for a section, select a loop object (1 bar drum loop, whatever), and "fill
> loop" will repeat that object
> for each measure or set of measures over the range. Of course all of this
> is much faster if
> you just assign keycommands. Then there are hitpoints, etc to do much of
> what Rex files do.
>
> Of course you also have Play Order Tracks to alter your arrangement in as
> many ways you might like.
>
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:45747206@linux...
>> I'm getting soem requests for radio ads here. One thing I've always loved
>> about ACID is that it's so easy to paint up a generic soundtrack. I've
>> got ACIOD V4.0 here and I'm getting ready to load it up and go to work
>> but I've been thinking of upgrading to Cubase 4 and I hear it has a much
>> improved way of dealing with loops than SX3 did.
>> Has anyone tried this? I'd love to be able to *paint audio* in Cubase but
>> I'm not really crazy about having to deal with a bunch of workarounds to
>> get it to function in a similar way o ACID. I just want it to work.
>>
>> Does it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Deej
>>
>>
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| Re: A question about Cubase 4 [message #76739 is a reply to message #76731] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 13:34 |
AlexPlasko
Messages: 211
Registered: September 2006
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dj......what kind of problems did you hear about with the houston? my
houston works great with cubase 4
"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:45747e41$1@linux...
> What I like about ACID is that I can just insert a loop and paint it
> across as many bars as I want and manipulate it to death quickly and
> easily. What I don't like about what I'm hearing about Cubase 4 is that it
> doesn't have DX support (and I do use a few old DX plugins that I want to
> keep using). My Cubase>Paris scenario is *exactly* as I want it right now
> and since I don't record to Cubase and I'm comfortable with it's v3
> interface, the new CR (and other) upgrade features don't really give me
> anything I really need as far as I can see......plus, I've heard of
> problems with Cubase 4 and the Houston controller and I don't need another
> hardware interfacing headache.
>
> The ACID Pro 6.0 demo is downloading now. It's fully functional for 30
> days (except you can't render to MP3-not an issue for me) and supports
> Rewire, ASIO and rudimentary video support. The upgrade price is $199.00
> if I decide I want it.same as Cubase SX 3x > Cubase 4.
>
> Looks pretty cool.
>
> We'll see.
>
> ;o)
>
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message
> news:45747b9a$1@linux...
>> Hi DJ,
>>
>> I don't use Acid - what are you looking to do that SX3 didn't?
>>
>> I don't know how much is new in the looping area, but C4 and N3 both
>> support Rex and Acid
>> loops - automatically matched to tempo. Of course for extending loops
>> you don't have a single
>> loop object feature as with Live/Acid, but rather duplicate, repeat, or
>> fill loop (set your loop points
>> for a section, select a loop object (1 bar drum loop, whatever), and
>> "fill loop" will repeat that object
>> for each measure or set of measures over the range. Of course all of
>> this is much faster if
>> you just assign keycommands. Then there are hitpoints, etc to do much of
>> what Rex files do.
>>
>> Of course you also have Play Order Tracks to alter your arrangement in as
>> many ways you might like.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:45747206@linux...
>>> I'm getting soem requests for radio ads here. One thing I've always
>>> loved about ACID is that it's so easy to paint up a generic soundtrack.
>>> I've got ACIOD V4.0 here and I'm getting ready to load it up and go to
>>> work but I've been thinking of upgrading to Cubase 4 and I hear it has a
>>> much improved way of dealing with loops than SX3 did.
>>> Has anyone tried this? I'd love to be able to *paint audio* in Cubase
>>> but I'm not really crazy about having to deal with a bunch of
>>> workarounds to get it to function in a similar way o ACID. I just want
>>> it to work.
>>>
>>> Does it?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Deej
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: A question about Cubase 4 [message #76742 is a reply to message #76739] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 13:57 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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I heard it wasn't reliable and sometimes the Houston driver just didn't show
up at all in cubase. Not true eh?
Do you have to uninstall v3 before going to v4 or can you just install it
over v3 as an upgrade?
Thanks,
Deej
"alex plasko" <alex.plasko@snet.net> wrote in message
news:457491ff$1@linux...
> dj......what kind of problems did you hear about with the houston? my
> houston works great with cubase 4
> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:45747e41$1@linux...
>> What I like about ACID is that I can just insert a loop and paint it
>> across as many bars as I want and manipulate it to death quickly and
>> easily. What I don't like about what I'm hearing about Cubase 4 is that
>> it doesn't have DX support (and I do use a few old DX plugins that I want
>> to keep using). My Cubase>Paris scenario is *exactly* as I want it right
>> now and since I don't record to Cubase and I'm comfortable with it's v3
>> interface, the new CR (and other) upgrade features don't really give me
>> anything I really need as far as I can see......plus, I've heard of
>> problems with Cubase 4 and the Houston controller and I don't need
>> another hardware interfacing headache.
>>
>> The ACID Pro 6.0 demo is downloading now. It's fully functional for 30
>> days (except you can't render to MP3-not an issue for me) and supports
>> Rewire, ASIO and rudimentary video support. The upgrade price is $199.00
>> if I decide I want it.same as Cubase SX 3x > Cubase 4.
>>
>> Looks pretty cool.
>>
>> We'll see.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message
>> news:45747b9a$1@linux...
>>> Hi DJ,
>>>
>>> I don't use Acid - what are you looking to do that SX3 didn't?
>>>
>>> I don't know how much is new in the looping area, but C4 and N3 both
>>> support Rex and Acid
>>> loops - automatically matched to tempo. Of course for extending loops
>>> you don't have a single
>>> loop object feature as with Live/Acid, but rather duplicate, repeat, or
>>> fill loop (set your loop points
>>> for a section, select a loop object (1 bar drum loop, whatever), and
>>> "fill loop" will repeat that object
>>> for each measure or set of measures over the range. Of course all of
>>> this is much faster if
>>> you just assign keycommands. Then there are hitpoints, etc to do much
>>> of what Rex files do.
>>>
>>> Of course you also have Play Order Tracks to alter your arrangement in
>>> as many ways you might like.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:45747206@linux...
>>>> I'm getting soem requests for radio ads here. One thing I've always
>>>> loved about ACID is that it's so easy to paint up a generic soundtrack.
>>>> I've got ACIOD V4.0 here and I'm getting ready to load it up and go to
>>>> work but I've been thinking of upgrading to Cubase 4 and I hear it has
>>>> a much improved way of dealing with loops than SX3 did.
>>>> Has anyone tried this? I'd love to be able to *paint audio* in Cubase
>>>> but I'm not really crazy about having to deal with a bunch of
>>>> workarounds to get it to function in a similar way o ACID. I just want
>>>> it to work.
>>>>
>>>> Does it?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Deej
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: A question about Cubase 4 [message #76745 is a reply to message #76742] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 13:59 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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Install C4 as a parallel app... that way you have access to both.
David.
DJ wrote:
> I heard it wasn't reliable and sometimes the Houston driver just didn't show
> up at all in cubase. Not true eh?
>
> Do you have to uninstall v3 before going to v4 or can you just install it
> over v3 as an upgrade?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Deej
>
>
>
> "alex plasko" <alex.plasko@snet.net> wrote in message
> news:457491ff$1@linux...
>
>>dj......what kind of problems did you hear about with the houston? my
>>houston works great with cubase 4
>>"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:45747e41$1@linux...
>>
>>>What I like about ACID is that I can just insert a loop and paint it
>>>across as many bars as I want and manipulate it to death quickly and
>>>easily. What I don't like about what I'm hearing about Cubase 4 is that
>>>it doesn't have DX support (and I do use a few old DX plugins that I want
>>>to keep using). My Cubase>Paris scenario is *exactly* as I want it right
>>>now and since I don't record to Cubase and I'm comfortable with it's v3
>>>interface, the new CR (and other) upgrade features don't really give me
>>>anything I really need as far as I can see......plus, I've heard of
>>>problems with Cubase 4 and the Houston controller and I don't need
>>>another hardware interfacing headache.
>>>
>>>The ACID Pro 6.0 demo is downloading now. It's fully functional for 30
>>>days (except you can't render to MP3-not an issue for me) and supports
>>>Rewire, ASIO and rudimentary video support. The upgrade price is $199.00
>>>if I decide I want it.same as Cubase SX 3x > Cubase 4.
>>>
>>>Looks pretty cool.
>>>
>>>We'll see.
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message
>>>news:45747b9a$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>Hi DJ,
>>>>
>>>>I don't use Acid - what are you looking to do that SX3 didn't?
>>>>
>>>>I don't know how much is new in the looping area, but C4 and N3 both
>>>>support Rex and Acid
>>>>loops - automatically matched to tempo. Of course for extending loops
>>>>you don't have a single
>>>>loop object feature as with Live/Acid, but rather duplicate, repeat, or
>>>>fill loop (set your loop points
>>>>for a section, select a loop object (1 bar drum loop, whatever), and
>>>>"fill loop" will repeat that object
>>>>for each measure or set of measures over the range. Of course all of
>>>>this is much faster if
>>>>you just assign keycommands. Then there are hitpoints, etc to do much
>>>>of what Rex files do.
>>>>
>>>>Of course you also have Play Order Tracks to alter your arrangement in
>>>>as many ways you might like.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Dedric
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:45747206@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>I'm getting soem requests for radio ads here. One thing I've always
>>>>>loved about ACID is that it's so easy to paint up a generic soundtrack.
>>>>>I've got ACIOD V4.0 here and I'm getting ready to load it up and go to
>>>>>work but I've been thinking of upgrading to Cubase 4 and I hear it has
>>>>>a much improved way of dealing with loops than SX3 did.
>>>>>Has anyone tried this? I'd love to be able to *paint audio* in Cubase
>>>>>but I'm not really crazy about having to deal with a bunch of
>>>>>workarounds to get it to function in a similar way o ACID. I just want
>>>>>it to work.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does it?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>Deej
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: A question about Cubase 4 [message #76747 is a reply to message #76731] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 17:10 |
emarenot
Messages: 345
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I've tried to work Acid-like in SE3 and you can certainly get it to "mimic"
Acid. But, its not nearly as "out-of-the-box-easy" as Acid is for working
with loops.
I've been running Acid pro 2.0 for years and have Acid 6.0 on my wish list.
By the way, Acid sync's pretty well via MTC. I've never done any testing to
see how accurate this is, but my ear gave it the nod.
Cheers,
MR
"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:45747e41$1@linux...
> What I like about ACID is that I can just insert a loop and paint it
across
> as many bars as I want and manipulate it to death quickly and easily. What
I
> don't like about what I'm hearing about Cubase 4 is that it doesn't have
DX
> support (and I do use a few old DX plugins that I want to keep using). My
> Cubase>Paris scenario is *exactly* as I want it right now and since I
don't
> record to Cubase and I'm comfortable with it's v3 interface, the new CR
(and
> other) upgrade features don't really give me anything I really need as far
> as I can see......plus, I've heard of problems with Cubase 4 and the
Houston
> controller and I don't need another hardware interfacing headache.
>
> The ACID Pro 6.0 demo is downloading now. It's fully functional for 30
days
> (except you can't render to MP3-not an issue for me) and supports Rewire,
> ASIO and rudimentary video support. The upgrade price is $199.00 if I
decide
> I want it.same as Cubase SX 3x > Cubase 4.
>
> Looks pretty cool.
>
> We'll see.
>
> ;o)
>
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message
news:45747b9a$1@linux...
> > Hi DJ,
> >
> > I don't use Acid - what are you looking to do that SX3 didn't?
> >
> > I don't know how much is new in the looping area, but C4 and N3 both
> > support Rex and Acid
> > loops - automatically matched to tempo. Of course for extending loops
you
> > don't have a single
> > loop object feature as with Live/Acid, but rather duplicate, repeat, or
> > fill loop (set your loop points
> > for a section, select a loop object (1 bar drum loop, whatever), and
"fill
> > loop" will repeat that object
> > for each measure or set of measures over the range. Of course all of
this
> > is much faster if
> > you just assign keycommands. Then there are hitpoints, etc to do much
of
> > what Rex files do.
> >
> > Of course you also have Play Order Tracks to alter your arrangement in
as
> > many ways you might like.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dedric
> >
> > "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:45747206@linux...
> >> I'm getting soem requests for radio ads here. One thing I've always
loved
> >> about ACID is that it's so easy to paint up a generic soundtrack. I've
> >> got ACIOD V4.0 here and I'm getting ready to load it up and go to work
> >> but I've been thinking of upgrading to Cubase 4 and I hear it has a
much
> >> improved way of dealing with loops than SX3 did.
> >> Has anyone tried this? I'd love to be able to *paint audio* in Cubase
but
> >> I'm not really crazy about having to deal with a bunch of workarounds
to
> >> get it to function in a similar way o ACID. I just want it to work.
> >>
> >> Does it?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Deej
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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| Re: A question about Cubase 4 [message #76752 is a reply to message #76742] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 14:45 |
AlexPlasko
Messages: 211
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Im not having any of those issues. I have heard of problems when using USB
to connect. ive used midi in/out to the houston from day 1 and never had a
problem.
I also paid $1100 for it because if i didnt get it i would have died.
acid 6 is definately worth it.the loop manager alone is worth it. Idont know
if you use vegas at all,but the manager is common with that program as
well.sorting through 300 gigs of loops and hits without it is daunting.
v3 and 4 coexist on your dongle . no Dx in V.4. not sure if you can use DX
with a rewire program . the only one i would want is autotune, but i use
melodyne all the time anyway.
"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:4574970c@linux...
>I heard it wasn't reliable and sometimes the Houston driver just didn't
>show up at all in cubase. Not true eh?
>
> Do you have to uninstall v3 before going to v4 or can you just install it
> over v3 as an upgrade?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Deej
>
>
>
> "alex plasko" <alex.plasko@snet.net> wrote in message
> news:457491ff$1@linux...
>> dj......what kind of problems did you hear about with the houston? my
>> houston works great with cubase 4
>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:45747e41$1@linux...
>>> What I like about ACID is that I can just insert a loop and paint it
>>> across as many bars as I want and manipulate it to death quickly and
>>> easily. What I don't like about what I'm hearing about Cubase 4 is that
>>> it doesn't have DX support (and I do use a few old DX plugins that I
>>> want to keep using). My Cubase>Paris scenario is *exactly* as I want it
>>> right now and since I don't record to Cubase and I'm comfortable with
>>> it's v3 interface, the new CR (and other) upgrade features don't really
>>> give me anything I really need as far as I can see......plus, I've heard
>>> of problems with Cubase 4 and the Houston controller and I don't need
>>> another hardware interfacing headache.
>>>
>>> The ACID Pro 6.0 demo is downloading now. It's fully functional for 30
>>> days (except you can't render to MP3-not an issue for me) and supports
>>> Rewire, ASIO and rudimentary video support. The upgrade price is $199.00
>>> if I decide I want it.same as Cubase SX 3x > Cubase 4.
>>>
>>> Looks pretty cool.
>>>
>>> We'll see.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message
>>> news:45747b9a$1@linux...
>>>> Hi DJ,
>>>>
>>>> I don't use Acid - what are you looking to do that SX3 didn't?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know how much is new in the looping area, but C4 and N3 both
>>>> support Rex and Acid
>>>> loops - automatically matched to tempo. Of course for extending loops
>>>> you don't have a single
>>>> loop object feature as with Live/Acid, but rather duplicate, repeat, or
>>>> fill loop (set your loop points
>>>> for a section, select a loop object (1 bar drum loop, whatever), and
>>>> "fill loop" will repeat that object
>>>> for each measure or set of measures over the range. Of course all of
>>>> this is much faster if
>>>> you just assign keycommands. Then there are hitpoints, etc to do much
>>>> of what Rex files do.
>>>>
>>>> Of course you also have Play Order Tracks to alter your arrangement in
>>>> as many ways you might like.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:45747206@linux...
>>>>> I'm getting soem requests for radio ads here. One thing I've always
>>>>> loved about ACID is that it's so easy to paint up a generic
>>>>> soundtrack. I've got ACIOD V4.0 here and I'm getting ready to load it
>>>>> up and go to work but I've been thinking of upgrading to Cubase 4 and
>>>>> I hear it has a much improved way of dealing with loops than SX3 did.
>>>>> Has anyone tried this? I'd love to be able to *paint audio* in Cubase
>>>>> but I'm not really crazy about having to deal with a bunch of
>>>>> workarounds to get it to function in a similar way o ACID. I just want
>>>>> it to work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Deej
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: A question about Cubase 4 [message #76762 is a reply to message #76756] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 17:42 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
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"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>I'm running the demo right now via rewire in Cubase SX. and so ACID syncs
>right to the Houston controller..or ....if I want to sum in Paris, Acid
>rewired through Cubase syncs to the Paris C-16 and follows the Paris
>timeline like a puppy dog.
>Very cool I'm thinking that ACID 6.0 might be worth the price of admission
>($199.00 upgrade)
>
>I also have Vegas Pro here that I registered back in 2000 but that I haven't
>used since I moved to Colorado. I called Sony about this and I can upgrade
>to the latest/greatest DVD authoring version for $249.00. I don't really
>need a video editing rig right now but it's nice to know I can get into
this
>relatively inexpensively if need be.
But if you're starting to do radio spots, then the next thing
the ad agencies will want from you are tv spots (or at least
the audio portion for tv spots), and so at that point, you will
find you have to have that application, or...
:)
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