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Adat card and sync issues [message #96471] Sun, 02 March 2008 12:35 Go to next message
Michael Lunser is currently offline  Michael Lunser
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Registered: July 2007
Junior Member
Can anyone educate me on the EDS ADAT card?

I'm want to sync Paris with a Digi 002 rack in order to transfer from Digi
design into paris.

1st.
The ADAT connection should provide for synchronization of the machines right?
(clock signal)

2nd.
In the Paris mannual it says to use digital clock source when recording or
playing back non 44.1 and non 48khz sample rates. What does that mean?
There are no other sample rates.

Also, some one said in a thread (so what if it's only 20 bit)
Was he talking about the ADAT card? Does the card transfer 24 bit files
At 44.1 or 48k?
Re: Adat card and sync issues [message #96474 is a reply to message #96471] Sun, 02 March 2008 14:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
AlexPlasko is currently offline  AlexPlasko   UNITED STATES
Messages: 211
Registered: September 2006
Senior Member
hi Michael. I'll give it a try.
1st
YES!.clock signal is inherent .unless you have a wordclock generator ,slave
Paris to the 002
2nd
clock rates are variable. what they are saying is in order for the source
samples to line up properly ,the clock of the source and destination must
align.this prevents errors on the read cycle so each word gets read at the
right time thereby ensuring the correct word value.
jitter and worse are the result of bad clock mojo.
what they are saying is to use an external wordlock generator for all
machines in the chain, so they are all running in sync
3rd
the spdif and analog connectors on the mec are 20 bit.I'm
almost positive all daughter cards for the mec are 24 bit .I had multiple
adat cards in one of my mecs,one of which was dedicated to a TC
finalizer,which was passing 24 bits.

"Michael" <michael@stonesoupaudio.com> wrote in message
news:47cb0172$1@linux...
>
> Can anyone educate me on the EDS ADAT card?
>
> I'm want to sync Paris with a Digi 002 rack in order to transfer from Digi
> design into paris.
>
> 1st.
> The ADAT connection should provide for synchronization of the machines
> right?
> (clock signal)
>
> 2nd.
> In the Paris mannual it says to use digital clock source when recording or
> playing back non 44.1 and non 48khz sample rates. What does that mean?
> There are no other sample rates.
>
> Also, some one said in a thread (so what if it's only 20 bit)
> Was he talking about the ADAT card? Does the card transfer 24 bit files
> At 44.1 or 48k?
>
>
>
Re: Adat card and sync issues [message #96476 is a reply to message #96471] Sun, 02 March 2008 17:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
Senior Member
"Michael" <michael@stonesoupaudio.com> wrote in message
news:47cb0172$1@linux...
>
> Can anyone educate me on the EDS ADAT card?
> I'm want to sync Paris with a Digi 002 rack in order to transfer from Digi
> design into paris.

> 1st.
> The ADAT connection should provide for synchronization of the machines
> right?
> (clock signal)

In the project window AFTER you have plugged the adat pipes in, set the sync
for ADAT. Note, this does not have anything to do with the transport (FF,
Rew, Play, Stop) and only syncs up the digital words.

> 2nd.
> In the Paris mannual it says to use digital clock source when recording or
> playing back non 44.1 and non 48khz sample rates. What does that mean?
> There are no other sample rates.

Do what I have above, and it will be sync'd. however, don't save your PPJ
with sync as ADAT unless you are 100% positive you will always have the
ProTools sync at the adat In before starting the project.

> Also, some one said in a thread (so what if it's only 20 bit)
> Was he talking about the ADAT card? Does the card transfer 24 bit files
> At 44.1 or 48k?

The 8 In and 8 Out MEC cards are 24 bit. The Adat card is 20 bit. The S/PDIF
on the MEC is 24 bit, but S/PDIF on a 442 is 20 bit. IF-2's are 20 bit. the
MEC analog I/O's are also 20 bit. ALL inputs are capable of 24 bit file
recording, however any that are 20 bit interfaces will only record 20 of the
24 bit file write.
Make sense?

AA
Re: Adat card and sync issues [message #96479 is a reply to message #96476] Sun, 02 March 2008 18:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
AlexPlasko is currently offline  AlexPlasko   UNITED STATES
Messages: 211
Registered: September 2006
Senior Member
Michael........is there any way to convert the 002 files to wav files? even
if you recorded in the 002 at less than 24 bit(allowing transfers via the
Paris adat card), if you are transferring over 8 tracks without the 9 pin
adat machine control, you cant start and stop the transfers at the same
location on the timeline,making it difficult to align subsequent passes.
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:47cb536a$1@linux...
> "Michael" <michael@stonesoupaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:47cb0172$1@linux...
>>
>> Can anyone educate me on the EDS ADAT card?
>> I'm want to sync Paris with a Digi 002 rack in order to transfer from
>> Digi
>> design into paris.
>
>> 1st.
>> The ADAT connection should provide for synchronization of the machines
>> right?
>> (clock signal)
>
> In the project window AFTER you have plugged the adat pipes in, set the
> sync for ADAT. Note, this does not have anything to do with the transport
> (FF, Rew, Play, Stop) and only syncs up the digital words.
>
>> 2nd.
>> In the Paris mannual it says to use digital clock source when recording
>> or
>> playing back non 44.1 and non 48khz sample rates. What does that mean?
>> There are no other sample rates.
>
> Do what I have above, and it will be sync'd. however, don't save your PPJ
> with sync as ADAT unless you are 100% positive you will always have the
> ProTools sync at the adat In before starting the project.
>
>> Also, some one said in a thread (so what if it's only 20 bit)
>> Was he talking about the ADAT card? Does the card transfer 24 bit files
>> At 44.1 or 48k?
>
> The 8 In and 8 Out MEC cards are 24 bit. The Adat card is 20 bit. The
> S/PDIF on the MEC is 24 bit, but S/PDIF on a 442 is 20 bit. IF-2's are 20
> bit. the MEC analog I/O's are also 20 bit. ALL inputs are capable of 24
> bit file recording, however any that are 20 bit interfaces will only
> record 20 of the 24 bit file write.
> Make sense?
>
> AA
>
Re: Adat card and sync issues [message #96481 is a reply to message #96471] Sun, 02 March 2008 18:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [5] is currently offline  Deej [5]   FRANCE
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Registered: March 2008
Senior Member
Are you talking about timeline sync so that both machines run locked up to a
common sync source? If so, you're not going to be able to do it unless the
Digi 002 has a sync input. The Paris ADAT module only outputs ADAT sync so
it will have to be he master clock, inputting to an ADAT sync port on the
002. If the 002 doesn't have an ADAT sync input port, forget it.

"Michael" <michael@stonesoupaudio.com> wrote in message
news:47cb0172$1@linux...
>
> Can anyone educate me on the EDS ADAT card?
>
> I'm want to sync Paris with a Digi 002 rack in order to transfer from Digi
> design into paris.
>
> 1st.
> The ADAT connection should provide for synchronization of the machines
> right?
> (clock signal)
>
> 2nd.
> In the Paris mannual it says to use digital clock source when recording or
> playing back non 44.1 and non 48khz sample rates. What does that mean?
> There are no other sample rates.
>
> Also, some one said in a thread (so what if it's only 20 bit)
> Was he talking about the ADAT card? Does the card transfer 24 bit files
> At 44.1 or 48k?
>
>
>
Re: Adat card and sync issues [message #96482 is a reply to message #96481] Sun, 02 March 2008 19:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
AlexPlasko is currently offline  AlexPlasko   UNITED STATES
Messages: 211
Registered: September 2006
Senior Member
exactly what I was thinking deej.
unless it is 8 tracks or less at 16 bit, forget it otherwise.
do the convert file shuffle thing.or maybe a test tone at the same point on
every track and align them in Paris with sample slide.what else is there?
"Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net> wrote in message news:47cb64b5$1@linux...
> Are you talking about timeline sync so that both machines run locked up to
> a common sync source? If so, you're not going to be able to do it unless
> the Digi 002 has a sync input. The Paris ADAT module only outputs ADAT
> sync so it will have to be he master clock, inputting to an ADAT sync port
> on the 002. If the 002 doesn't have an ADAT sync input port, forget it.
>
> "Michael" <michael@stonesoupaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:47cb0172$1@linux...
>>
>> Can anyone educate me on the EDS ADAT card?
>>
>> I'm want to sync Paris with a Digi 002 rack in order to transfer from
>> Digi
>> design into paris.
>>
>> 1st.
>> The ADAT connection should provide for synchronization of the machines
>> right?
>> (clock signal)
>>
>> 2nd.
>> In the Paris mannual it says to use digital clock source when recording
>> or
>> playing back non 44.1 and non 48khz sample rates. What does that mean?
>> There are no other sample rates.
>>
>> Also, some one said in a thread (so what if it's only 20 bit)
>> Was he talking about the ADAT card? Does the card transfer 24 bit files
>> At 44.1 or 48k?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Adat card and sync issues [message #96483 is a reply to message #96482] Sun, 02 March 2008 20:12 Go to previous message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
Senior Member
Stripwav. PT (and pretty much any other newer PC DAW at this point) will
write a Broadcast WAV.. Paris doesn't know what to do with that newer header
info.
And I agree with given the current info, a network cable(s)/switch will be a
lot faster and easier IMO to deal with. Just render each track out to a
folder, stripwav, then stuff 'em in Paris and play back. Alternatively, one
could burn a CD/DVD of that info and stripwav it off the CD/DVD into a Paris
folder.

http://www.brothersoft.com/stripwav-6360.html

AA

"alex plasko" <alex.plasko@snet.net> wrote in message
news:47cb7a0c$1@linux...
> exactly what I was thinking deej.
> unless it is 8 tracks or less at 16 bit, forget it otherwise.
> do the convert file shuffle thing.or maybe a test tone at the same point
> on every track and align them in Paris with sample slide.what else is
> there?
> "Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net> wrote in message
> news:47cb64b5$1@linux...
>> Are you talking about timeline sync so that both machines run locked up
>> to a common sync source? If so, you're not going to be able to do it
>> unless the Digi 002 has a sync input. The Paris ADAT module only outputs
>> ADAT sync so it will have to be he master clock, inputting to an ADAT
>> sync port on the 002. If the 002 doesn't have an ADAT sync input port,
>> forget it.
>>
>> "Michael" <michael@stonesoupaudio.com> wrote in message
>> news:47cb0172$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Can anyone educate me on the EDS ADAT card?
>>>
>>> I'm want to sync Paris with a Digi 002 rack in order to transfer from
>>> Digi
>>> design into paris.
>>>
>>> 1st.
>>> The ADAT connection should provide for synchronization of the machines
>>> right?
>>> (clock signal)
>>>
>>> 2nd.
>>> In the Paris mannual it says to use digital clock source when recording
>>> or
>>> playing back non 44.1 and non 48khz sample rates. What does that mean?
>>> There are no other sample rates.
>>>
>>> Also, some one said in a thread (so what if it's only 20 bit)
>>> Was he talking about the ADAT card? Does the card transfer 24 bit files
>>> At 44.1 or 48k?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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