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| Can't see a partition in Win98SE [message #69287] |
Tue, 13 June 2006 08:32  |
Rich Kelley
Messages: 19
Registered: October 2006
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Howdy,
I have a new Seagate 400 GB HD I'm trying to set up on Win98SE with FAT 32.
I'm trying to make 3 133 GB partitions on the drive (to stay below the 137GB
limit for any one partition). System is an old MSI K7 Pro (MS-6195) w/ a
900 MHz Athlon slot A. I'm able to make the three partitions using Seagate's
partitioning program that came with the drive when I have the drive on my
primary master.
However, when the drive is on the secondary IDE cable the third partition
is messed up. In the disk partitioning program it says that the partition
is a FAT 16 partition (it's not), and in Win98SE I can't see the third partition
at all. I checked the drive on another Win98SE system (also old, Iwill XP333
with a Athlon 1800+) and couldn't see the third partition there either.
Any ideas what's up? I should be able to see all three partitions in Win98SE,
correct? Is it the fact that the boards are so old? Could it be a problem
with the drive?
Thanks for any help.
Rich Kelley
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| Re: Can't see a partition in Win98SE [message #69290 is a reply to message #69287] |
Tue, 13 June 2006 08:51  |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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More likely, problem with the controller, IE the motherboard. Try a BIOS
update? If that doesn't cut it perhaps an IDE/ PCI controller would. BTW, I
hate those hard drive software utilities, when they get confused data goes
bye bye. Avoid it if you can.
AA
"Rich Kelley" <rich_and_barbara@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:448edaa8$1@linux...
>
> Howdy,
>
> I have a new Seagate 400 GB HD I'm trying to set up on Win98SE with FAT
> 32.
> I'm trying to make 3 133 GB partitions on the drive (to stay below the
> 137GB
> limit for any one partition). System is an old MSI K7 Pro (MS-6195) w/ a
> 900 MHz Athlon slot A. I'm able to make the three partitions using
> Seagate's
> partitioning program that came with the drive when I have the drive on my
> primary master.
>
> However, when the drive is on the secondary IDE cable the third partition
> is messed up. In the disk partitioning program it says that the partition
> is a FAT 16 partition (it's not), and in Win98SE I can't see the third
> partition
> at all. I checked the drive on another Win98SE system (also old, Iwill
> XP333
> with a Athlon 1800+) and couldn't see the third partition there either.
>
> Any ideas what's up? I should be able to see all three partitions in
> Win98SE,
> correct? Is it the fact that the boards are so old? Could it be a
> problem
> with the drive?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Rich Kelley
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| Re: Can't see a partition in Win98SE [message #69318 is a reply to message #69287] |
Wed, 14 June 2006 05:02 |
Mike Audet
Messages: 294
Registered: December 2008
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Hi Rich,
Windows 98 doesn't support 48 bit addressing for hard drives, which means
you can only use drives no larger than 120 GB. Larger drives will appear
to work, but what happens is the data wraps around, so the 121st GB is actually
the first GB, and your HD gets scrambled as soon as you write to it.
There are two ways to deal with this. Rudolph Lowe wrote a custom driver
that has never worked properly for me. It may be possible to make it work
properly, but I've had problems with it.
The other way is to buy a PCI IDE controller card that comes with a 48bit
lba driver for windows 98. I've never tried this, but I think I'm about
to.
Sorry about the bad news,
Mike
"Rich Kelley" <rich_and_barbara@netzero.net> wrote:
>
>Howdy,
>
>I have a new Seagate 400 GB HD I'm trying to set up on Win98SE with FAT
32.
> I'm trying to make 3 133 GB partitions on the drive (to stay below the
137GB
>limit for any one partition). System is an old MSI K7 Pro (MS-6195) w/
a
>900 MHz Athlon slot A. I'm able to make the three partitions using Seagate's
>partitioning program that came with the drive when I have the drive on my
>primary master.
>
>However, when the drive is on the secondary IDE cable the third partition
>is messed up. In the disk partitioning program it says that the partition
>is a FAT 16 partition (it's not), and in Win98SE I can't see the third partition
>at all. I checked the drive on another Win98SE system (also old, Iwill
XP333
>with a Athlon 1800+) and couldn't see the third partition there either.
>
>Any ideas what's up? I should be able to see all three partitions in Win98SE,
>correct? Is it the fact that the boards are so old? Could it be a problem
>with the drive?
>
>Thanks for any help.
>
>Rich Kelley
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| Re: Can't see a partition in Win98SE [message #69321 is a reply to message #69320] |
Wed, 14 June 2006 09:00 |
Sound Dog
Messages: 44
Registered: October 2005
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If you try to format a drive as FAT32 in WinXP it will limit you to 32GB.
However, Microsoft issued a patch that you can either install onto your
system drive or onto a W98 boot floppy disk, which allows FDSIK to format
larger partitions as FAT32 (somebody correct me if I'm wrong).
I have used it on 200GB IDE drives within the last 12 months, but they were
partitioned into 1 x 80GB and 1 x 120GB apiece, I haven't tried to partition
an entire 200GB HDD as one partition yet. I'm trying it out on some 250GB
SATA drives in a couple of weeks, so I hope it can be done !
I can email the patch to you if you like.
Cheers,
Stewart.
Aaron Allen wrote in message <44901a72$1@linux>...
>That was an old school motherboard limit that windows got blamed for.
>AA
>
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>"Rich Kelley" <rich_and_barbara@netzero.net> wrote in message
>news:448f4053$1@linux...
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>> I've had no problems formatting any large (+137 GB) drive up to 137GB, on
>> Win98FE or Win98SE. I never ran into a 32GB limit.
>>
>> However, if I paid for 200 or 300 GB, then I want to be able to use it
>> all.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I believe you can only have partition sizes of 32GB with FAT32???
>>>
>>>James
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| Re: Can't see a partition in Win98SE [message #69355 is a reply to message #69318] |
Thu, 15 June 2006 17:39 |
Rich Kelley
Messages: 19
Registered: October 2006
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Hi Mike,
Thanks for the response. So here's what I don't understand:
I have two other drives that are larger than 137GB, 200GB and 250GB. I have
partitioned those drives into two partitions. The partitions show up in
Win98SE as two separate drives with unique drive letters. I have no problem
seeing and writing to the partitions. When I ask for properties on the partitions
they report their size correctly.
It's only the 400GB that is not working properly. I can only see two of
three partitions that I have made.
In my admittedly limited understanding of this issue, I thought that it is
only the size of the PARTITION that must be below 137GB - I can have as many
sub 137GB partitions on a drive as I'd like and the drive can be bigger than
137GB.
Am I mistaken? Are my 200GB and 250GB headed for data loss and I just haven't
experienced it yet? I seem to be getting both conflicting answers here and
conflicting results.
Thanks for any help.
Rich
"Mike Audet" <mike@......> wrote:
>
>Hi Rich,
>
>Windows 98 doesn't support 48 bit addressing for hard drives, which means
>you can only use drives no larger than 120 GB. Larger drives will appear
>to work, but what happens is the data wraps around, so the 121st GB is actually
>the first GB, and your HD gets scrambled as soon as you write to it.
>
>There are two ways to deal with this. Rudolph Lowe wrote a custom driver
>that has never worked properly for me. It may be possible to make it work
>properly, but I've had problems with it.
>
>The other way is to buy a PCI IDE controller card that comes with a 48bit
>lba driver for windows 98. I've never tried this, but I think I'm about
>to.
>
>Sorry about the bad news,
>
>Mike
>
>
>
>"Rich Kelley" <rich_and_barbara@netzero.net> wrote:
>>
>>Howdy,
>>
>>I have a new Seagate 400 GB HD I'm trying to set up on Win98SE with FAT
>32.
>> I'm trying to make 3 133 GB partitions on the drive (to stay below the
>137GB
>>limit for any one partition). System is an old MSI K7 Pro (MS-6195) w/
>a
>>900 MHz Athlon slot A. I'm able to make the three partitions using Seagate's
>>partitioning program that came with the drive when I have the drive on
my
>>primary master.
>>
>>However, when the drive is on the secondary IDE cable the third partition
>>is messed up. In the disk partitioning program it says that the partition
>>is a FAT 16 partition (it's not), and in Win98SE I can't see the third
partition
>>at all. I checked the drive on another Win98SE system (also old, Iwill
>XP333
>>with a Athlon 1800+) and couldn't see the third partition there either.
>>
>>Any ideas what's up? I should be able to see all three partitions in Win98SE,
>>correct? Is it the fact that the boards are so old? Could it be a problem
>>with the drive?
>>
>>Thanks for any help.
>>
>>Rich Kelley
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| Re: Can't see a partition in Win98SE [message #69356 is a reply to message #69321] |
Thu, 15 June 2006 17:42 |
Rich Kelley
Messages: 19
Registered: October 2006
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Yes please, mail me the patch.
Thanks Steward
Rich Kelley
rich_NOand_SPbarbaraAM@netzero.net (remove NO SPAM)
"Sound Dog" <dogster@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>If you try to format a drive as FAT32 in WinXP it will limit you to 32GB.
>However, Microsoft issued a patch that you can either install onto your
>system drive or onto a W98 boot floppy disk, which allows FDSIK to format
>larger partitions as FAT32 (somebody correct me if I'm wrong).
>
>I have used it on 200GB IDE drives within the last 12 months, but they were
>partitioned into 1 x 80GB and 1 x 120GB apiece, I haven't tried to partition
>an entire 200GB HDD as one partition yet. I'm trying it out on some 250GB
>SATA drives in a couple of weeks, so I hope it can be done !
>
>I can email the patch to you if you like.
>
>Cheers,
>Stewart.
>
>
>Aaron Allen wrote in message <44901a72$1@linux>...
>>That was an old school motherboard limit that windows got blamed for.
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"Rich Kelley" <rich_and_barbara@netzero.net> wrote in message
>>news:448f4053$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I've had no problems formatting any large (+137 GB) drive up to 137GB,
on
>>> Win98FE or Win98SE. I never ran into a 32GB limit.
>>>
>>> However, if I paid for 200 or 300 GB, then I want to be able to use it
>>> all.
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I believe you can only have partition sizes of 32GB with FAT32???
>>>>
>>>>James
>>
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| Re: Can't see a partition in Win98SE [message #69359 is a reply to message #69355] |
Thu, 15 June 2006 21:58 |
Mike Audet
Messages: 294
Registered: December 2008
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Hi Rich,
My understanding is that if you are using the built in windows drivers for
your IDE controller under windows 9x and you are using drives (not partitions)
that are larger than 137GB and you try to write to a sector above 137GB (in
any partition), you will scramble your drive.
You may be using drivers provided by your MB manufacturer that support 48bit
addressing. I couldn't get a straight answer out of Asus about mine.
Good luck!
Mike
"Rich Kelley" <rich_and_barbara@netzero.net> wrote:
>
>Hi Mike,
>
>Thanks for the response. So here's what I don't understand:
>
>I have two other drives that are larger than 137GB, 200GB and 250GB. I
have
>partitioned those drives into two partitions. The partitions show up in
>Win98SE as two separate drives with unique drive letters. I have no problem
>seeing and writing to the partitions. When I ask for properties on the
partitions
>they report their size correctly.
>
>It's only the 400GB that is not working properly. I can only see two of
>three partitions that I have made.
>
>In my admittedly limited understanding of this issue, I thought that it
is
>only the size of the PARTITION that must be below 137GB - I can have as
many
>sub 137GB partitions on a drive as I'd like and the drive can be bigger
than
>137GB.
>
>Am I mistaken? Are my 200GB and 250GB headed for data loss and I just haven't
>experienced it yet? I seem to be getting both conflicting answers here
and
>conflicting results.
>
>Thanks for any help.
>
>Rich
>
>"Mike Audet" <mike@......> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Rich,
>>
>>Windows 98 doesn't support 48 bit addressing for hard drives, which means
>>you can only use drives no larger than 120 GB. Larger drives will appear
>>to work, but what happens is the data wraps around, so the 121st GB is
actually
>>the first GB, and your HD gets scrambled as soon as you write to it.
>>
>>There are two ways to deal with this. Rudolph Lowe wrote a custom driver
>>that has never worked properly for me. It may be possible to make it work
>>properly, but I've had problems with it.
>>
>>The other way is to buy a PCI IDE controller card that comes with a 48bit
>>lba driver for windows 98. I've never tried this, but I think I'm about
>>to.
>>
>>Sorry about the bad news,
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>"Rich Kelley" <rich_and_barbara@netzero.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Howdy,
>>>
>>>I have a new Seagate 400 GB HD I'm trying to set up on Win98SE with FAT
>>32.
>>> I'm trying to make 3 133 GB partitions on the drive (to stay below the
>>137GB
>>>limit for any one partition). System is an old MSI K7 Pro (MS-6195) w/
>>a
>>>900 MHz Athlon slot A. I'm able to make the three partitions using Seagate's
>>>partitioning program that came with the drive when I have the drive on
>my
>>>primary master.
>>>
>>>However, when the drive is on the secondary IDE cable the third partition
>>>is messed up. In the disk partitioning program it says that the partition
>>>is a FAT 16 partition (it's not), and in Win98SE I can't see the third
>partition
>>>at all. I checked the drive on another Win98SE system (also old, Iwill
>>XP333
>>>with a Athlon 1800+) and couldn't see the third partition there either.
>>>
>>>Any ideas what's up? I should be able to see all three partitions in
Win98SE,
>>>correct? Is it the fact that the boards are so old? Could it be a problem
>>>with the drive?
>>>
>>>Thanks for any help.
>>>
>>>Rich Kelley
>>
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