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NS10's....is it just me? [message #72195]

Sat, 09 September 2006 20:12

Deej [1]

Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006

Senior Member

These things seem to have some qualities relating to stereo imaging that are
very obvious. I don't think I've ever used a pair of monitors where the
stereo image would seem to shift so drastically when moving even a little
bit outside the sweet spot. At the same time, when monitoring in the sweet
spot, it's very obvious where t6he various instruments lie in the
soundstage.

Combining these with a subwoofer is absolutely necessary in my room as they
are 5' from the back wall of the CR and there is no standing wave action
happening in the CR to reinforce any of the LF at all.

I'm enjoying learning these monitors. It's becoming more and more obvious to
me why these have been a staple in studios for a long
time.............plus........like 90% of everything else here, including
me......they're obsolete!!!!!!

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Re: NS10's....is it just me? [message #72196 is a reply to message #72195]

Sat, 09 September 2006 21:06

Aaron Allen

Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008

Senior Member

That's about my take on 'em too man. In some ways, I kinda miss having that
overachiever stereo thang they did so well.

AA

"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:45038304@linux...
> These things seem to have some qualities relating to stereo imaging that
> are
> very obvious. I don't think I've ever used a pair of monitors where the
> stereo image would seem to shift so drastically when moving even a little
> bit outside the sweet spot. At the same time, when monitoring in the sweet
> spot, it's very obvious where t6he various instruments lie in the
> soundstage.
>
> Combining these with a subwoofer is absolutely necessary in my room as
> they
> are 5' from the back wall of the CR and there is no standing wave action
> happening in the CR to reinforce any of the LF at all.
>
> I'm enjoying learning these monitors. It's becoming more and more obvious
> to
> me why these have been a staple in studios for a long
> time.............plus........like 90% of everything else here, including
> me......they're obsolete!!!!!!
>
>
>

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Re: NS10's....is it just me? [message #72197 is a reply to message #72196]

Sat, 09 September 2006 22:07

Deej [1]

Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006

Senior Member

AhHA!!!........so my ears aren't playing tricks on me eh? At my age, I don't
trust nuthin' no mo. I've been listening to a lot of program material on
these today that is similar to what's happening here (Dixie Chicks, Alison
Krause and a little Norah Jones and it's pretty amazing how the stereo image
of these monitors seems wider in a nearfield (4' equilat) config than my
NHT's do in midfield (7.5' equilat) config. The NHT's have a lot broader
overall frequency response but don't have as much of that stereo mojo going
on. I thought the NS10's might be out of phase there right at first, but it
was just my moving out of the sweet spot a little bit.

"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:45038db5@linux...
> That's about my take on 'em too man. In some ways, I kinda miss having
that
> overachiever stereo thang they did so well.
>
> AA
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:45038304@linux...
> > These things seem to have some qualities relating to stereo imaging that
> > are
> > very obvious. I don't think I've ever used a pair of monitors where the
> > stereo image would seem to shift so drastically when moving even a
little
> > bit outside the sweet spot. At the same time, when monitoring in the
sweet
> > spot, it's very obvious where t6he various instruments lie in the
> > soundstage.
> >
> > Combining these with a subwoofer is absolutely necessary in my room as
> > they
> > are 5' from the back wall of the CR and there is no standing wave action
> > happening in the CR to reinforce any of the LF at all.
> >
> > I'm enjoying learning these monitors. It's becoming more and more
obvious
> > to
> > me why these have been a staple in studios for a long
> > time.............plus........like 90% of everything else here, including
> > me......they're obsolete!!!!!!
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Re: NS10's....is it just me? [message #72199 is a reply to message #72197]

Sat, 09 September 2006 23:07

Carl Amburn

Messages: 214
Registered: July 2005

Senior Member

I miss frying them all the time. :) I crank my mixes up super-loud, so I
*don't* miss the fatigue and headaches that those super-tweeters gave me
after a few hours.

rock on DJ,
-Carl

"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:45039de4@linux...
> AhHA!!!........so my ears aren't playing tricks on me eh? At my age, I
don't
> trust nuthin' no mo. I've been listening to a lot of program material on
> these today that is similar to what's happening here (Dixie Chicks, Alison
> Krause and a little Norah Jones and it's pretty amazing how the stereo
image
> of these monitors seems wider in a nearfield (4' equilat) config than my
> NHT's do in midfield (7.5' equilat) config. The NHT's have a lot broader
> overall frequency response but don't have as much of that stereo mojo
going
> on. I thought the NS10's might be out of phase there right at first, but
it
> was just my moving out of the sweet spot a little bit.
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> news:45038db5@linux...
> > That's about my take on 'em too man. In some ways, I kinda miss having
> that
> > overachiever stereo thang they did so well.
> >
> > AA
> >
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > news:45038304@linux...
> > > These things seem to have some qualities relating to stereo imaging
that
> > > are
> > > very obvious. I don't think I've ever used a pair of monitors where
the
> > > stereo image would seem to shift so drastically when moving even a
> little
> > > bit outside the sweet spot. At the same time, when monitoring in the
> sweet
> > > spot, it's very obvious where t6he various instruments lie in the
> > > soundstage.
> > >
> > > Combining these with a subwoofer is absolutely necessary in my room as
> > > they
> > > are 5' from the back wall of the CR and there is no standing wave
action
> > > happening in the CR to reinforce any of the LF at all.
> > >
> > > I'm enjoying learning these monitors. It's becoming more and more
> obvious
> > > to
> > > me why these have been a staple in studios for a long
> > > time.............plus........like 90% of everything else here,
including
> > > me......they're obsolete!!!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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Re: NS10's....is it just me? [message #72203 is a reply to message #72195]

Sun, 10 September 2006 09:19

emarenot

Messages: 345
Registered: June 2005

Senior Member

I ran with NS10's for about twelve years. I think I replaced two tweeters
in each. I still have 'em and as soon as I get a bigger room I plan on
putting them up there with my Event Studio Precisions. I noticed also that
the sweet spot lies within a pretty small area. The mixes I got off of
them, however, translated really well. I had to switch though, as others
have commented, the high mids and highs are quite sharp and of course they
have absolutely no bottom.
Cheers,
MR

"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:45038304@linux...
> These things seem to have some qualities relating to stereo imaging that
are
> very obvious. I don't think I've ever used a pair of monitors where the
> stereo image would seem to shift so drastically when moving even a little
> bit outside the sweet spot. At the same time, when monitoring in the sweet
> spot, it's very obvious where t6he various instruments lie in the
> soundstage.
>
> Combining these with a subwoofer is absolutely necessary in my room as
they
> are 5' from the back wall of the CR and there is no standing wave action
> happening in the CR to reinforce any of the LF at all.
>
> I'm enjoying learning these monitors. It's becoming more and more obvious
to
> me why these have been a staple in studios for a long
> time.............plus........like 90% of everything else here, including
> me......they're obsolete!!!!!!
>
>

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Re: NS10's....is it just me? [message #72209 is a reply to message #72195]

Sun, 10 September 2006 09:42

Sarah

Messages: 608
Registered: February 2007

Senior Member

Way too crunchy for me for any length of time. I turn them on for a few
minutes every once in a while as a diagnostic tool, but mostly they're here
to make the studio look more professional. :)

Sarah

"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:45038304@linux...
> These things seem to have some qualities relating to stereo imaging that
> are
> very obvious. I don't think I've ever used a pair of monitors where the
> stereo image would seem to shift so drastically when moving even a little
> bit outside the sweet spot. At the same time, when monitoring in the sweet
> spot, it's very obvious where t6he various instruments lie in the
> soundstage.
>
> Combining these with a subwoofer is absolutely necessary in my room as
> they
> are 5' from the back wall of the CR and there is no standing wave action
> happening in the CR to reinforce any of the LF at all.
>
> I'm enjoying learning these monitors. It's becoming more and more obvious
> to
> me why these have been a staple in studios for a long
> time.............plus........like 90% of everything else here, including
> me......they're obsolete!!!!!!
>
>

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Re: NS10's....is it just me? [message #72224 is a reply to message #72209]

Sun, 10 September 2006 14:56

rick

Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006

Senior Member

"to make the studio look more professional." isn't that what we're
all about??? impressing some guys who deliver pizzas for a living. i
just spent 6 1/2 hours cleaning the carpets of pizza, coffee, and pop
stains...oh yeah 7 pieces gum in the various rooms carpets...yup....
then again it could just be a michigan thing.

;o)

On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:42:11 -0700, "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com>
wrote:

>Way too crunchy for me for any length of time. I turn them on for a few
>minutes every once in a while as a diagnostic tool, but mostly they're here
>to make the studio look more professional. :)
>
>Sarah
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:45038304@linux...
>> These things seem to have some qualities relating to stereo imaging that
>> are
>> very obvious. I don't think I've ever used a pair of monitors where the
>> stereo image would seem to shift so drastically when moving even a little
>> bit outside the sweet spot. At the same time, when monitoring in the sweet
>> spot, it's very obvious where t6he various instruments lie in the
>> soundstage.
>>
>> Combining these with a subwoofer is absolutely necessary in my room as
>> they
>> are 5' from the back wall of the CR and there is no standing wave action
>> happening in the CR to reinforce any of the LF at all.
>>
>> I'm enjoying learning these monitors. It's becoming more and more obvious
>> to
>> me why these have been a staple in studios for a long
>> time.............plus........like 90% of everything else here, including
>> me......they're obsolete!!!!!!
>>
>>
>

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Re: NS10's....is it just me? [message #72227 is a reply to message #72209]

Sun, 10 September 2006 10:10

Deej [1]

Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006

Senior Member

"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:45043ec0$1@linux...
> Way too crunchy for me for any length of time. I turn them on for a few
> minutes every once in a while as a diagnostic tool, but mostly they're
here
> to make the studio look more professional. :)
>
> Sarah

I must say that having those white cones staring out at me does provide some
sense of having joined the "club" ;o). I've been experimenting with the
crunchiness factor but I'm using an amp right now that really isn't up the
task of driving these without a little bit of distortion when cranked to
levels of 85+ dB so the crunchiness is being exascerbated by the distortion.
Moving them further back and further apart does mitigate the harshness a
bit, but I'm really going to have to wait until my new power amp shows up to
dial this in and experiment more. I'll likely be doing a lot of switching
back and forth with these and my other reference system.

Deej
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:45038304@linux...
> > These things seem to have some qualities relating to stereo imaging that
> > are
> > very obvious. I don't think I've ever used a pair of monitors where the
> > stereo image would seem to shift so drastically when moving even a
little
> > bit outside the sweet spot. At the same time, when monitoring in the
sweet
> > spot, it's very obvious where t6he various instruments lie in the
> > soundstage.
> >
> > Combining these with a subwoofer is absolutely necessary in my room as
> > they
> > are 5' from the back wall of the CR and there is no standing wave action
> > happening in the CR to reinforce any of the LF at all.
> >
> > I'm enjoying learning these monitors. It's becoming more and more
obvious
> > to
> > me why these have been a staple in studios for a long
> > time.............plus........like 90% of everything else here, including
> > me......they're obsolete!!!!!!
> >
> >
>
>

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Re: NS10's....is it just me? [message #72228 is a reply to message #72195]

Sun, 10 September 2006 16:42

Dubya Mark Wilson

Messages: 108
Registered: May 2006

Senior Member

The last time I thought an image was too narrow, the chief eng said it was
just me. I mentioned on a subsequent session that it sounded REALLY narrow
and seemed like severe phase cancelation was going on. That was met by
tentative concern but nothing more was done... for a good long while. It
was about a month later that I was in session there again and the eng
privately told me he had discovered that their monitors had been
out-of-phase for such a long time that he had become accustomed to mixing
with the issue. No yammies in that instance but for some reason, I always
begin with answering the phase when image is in question.

You've got a fairly wide open space Deej and it seems phase would be easily
detectable. I assume you've totally ruled out wiring/polarity. Never hurts
to look.

W. Mark

"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:45038304@linux...
> These things seem to have some qualities relating to stereo imaging that
> are
> very obvious. I don't think I've ever used a pair of monitors where the
> stereo image would seem to shift so drastically when moving even a little
> bit outside the sweet spot. At the same time, when monitoring in the sweet
> spot, it's very obvious where t6he various instruments lie in the
> soundstage.
>
> Combining these with a subwoofer is absolutely necessary in my room as
> they
> are 5' from the back wall of the CR and there is no standing wave action
> happening in the CR to reinforce any of the LF at all.
>
> I'm enjoying learning these monitors. It's becoming more and more obvious
> to
> me why these have been a staple in studios for a long
> time.............plus........like 90% of everything else here, including
> me......they're obsolete!!!!!!
>
>
>

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Re: NS10's....is it just me? [message #72230 is a reply to message #72228]

Sun, 10 September 2006 17:34

John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005

Senior Member

You can even go so far as using a battery to make sure the cone moves forward
on both speakers to make sure one is not wired backwards inside too !

"Dubya Mark Wilson" <mark.xspam@avidrecording.com> wrote:
>The last time I thought an image was too narrow, the chief eng said it was

>just me. I mentioned on a subsequent session that it sounded REALLY narrow

>and seemed like severe phase cancelation was going on. That was met by

>tentative concern but nothing more was done... for a good long while. It

>was about a month later that I was in session there again and the eng
>privately told me he had discovered that their monitors had been
>out-of-phase for such a long time that he had become accustomed to mixing

>with the issue. No yammies in that instance but for some reason, I always

>begin with answering the phase when image is in question.
>
>You've got a fairly wide open space Deej and it seems phase would be easily

>detectable. I assume you've totally ruled out wiring/polarity. Never hurts

>to look.
>
>W. Mark
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:45038304@linux...
>> These things seem to have some qualities relating to stereo imaging that

>> are
>> very obvious. I don't think I've ever used a pair of monitors where the
>> stereo image would seem to shift so drastically when moving even a little
>> bit outside the sweet spot. At the same time, when monitoring in the sweet
>> spot, it's very obvious where t6he various instruments lie in the
>> soundstage.
>>
>> Combining these with a subwoofer is absolutely necessary in my room as

>> they
>> are 5' from the back wall of the CR and there is no standing wave action
>> happening in the CR to reinforce any of the LF at all.
>>
>> I'm enjoying learning these monitors. It's becoming more and more obvious

>> to
>> me why these have been a staple in studios for a long
>> time.............plus........like 90% of everything else here, including
>> me......they're obsolete!!!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Re: NS10's....is it just me? [message #72232 is a reply to message #72195]

Sun, 10 September 2006 19:16

Gantt Kushner

Messages: 545
Registered: June 2006
Location: Silver Spring, Maryland, ...

Senior Member

"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>These things seem to have some qualities relating to stereo imaging that
are
>very obvious. I don't think I've ever used a pair of monitors where the
>stereo image would seem to shift so drastically when moving even a little
>bit outside the sweet spot. At the same time, when monitoring in the sweet
>spot, it's very obvious where t6he various instruments lie in the
>soundstage.
>
>Combining these with a subwoofer is absolutely necessary in my room as they
>are 5' from the back wall of the CR and there is no standing wave action
>happening in the CR to reinforce any of the LF at all.
>
>I'm enjoying learning these monitors. It's becoming more and more obvious
to
>me why these have been a staple in studios for a long
>time.............plus........like 90% of everything else here, including
>me......they're obsolete!!!!!!
>
>

Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com

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Re: NS10's....is it just me? [message #72234 is a reply to message #72232]

Sun, 10 September 2006 19:23

Gantt Kushner

Messages: 545
Registered: June 2006
Location: Silver Spring, Maryland, ...

Senior Member

Oops. I suppose it'd be good to actuallt type in a response!

I drive my NS-10M's w/ a Bryston 4B (250 watts/side). I seldom use them,
preferring my old Tannoy SGM 10B's, but I have to admit that the NS-10M's
are great for checking the stereo image. Where the Tannoys sometimes seem
a little hazy in the center the NS-10's are rock solid. They're good for
checking relationships in the mix (especially vocals), but I still love
my Tannoys. My real secret weapon, however, is my JVC PC-V2 Boombox w/ Hyper
Bass. No mix leaves without passing the boombox test at high, low and very
low volumes. I have another in case this one dies, but if they both kick
the bucket I may have to retire!

Gantt

"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>These things seem to have some qualities relating to stereo imaging that
>are
>>very obvious. I don't think I've ever used a pair of monitors where the
>>stereo image would seem to shift so drastically when moving even a little
>>bit outside the sweet spot. At the same time, when monitoring in the sweet
>>spot, it's very obvious where t6he various instruments lie in the
>>soundstage.
>>
>>Combining these with a subwoofer is absolutely necessary in my room as
they
>>are 5' from the back wall of the CR and there is no standing wave action
>>happening in the CR to reinforce any of the LF at all.
>>
>>I'm enjoying learning these monitors. It's becoming more and more obvious
>to
>>me why these have been a staple in studios for a long
>>time.............plus........like 90% of everything else here, including
>>me......they're obsolete!!!!!!
>>
>>
>

Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com

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Re: NS10's....is it just me? [message #72319 is a reply to message #72234]

Wed, 13 September 2006 08:04

Lance Reichert

Messages: 39
Registered: July 2005

Member

Hey Grant, I've used my JVC kaboom for mixing a few times as well. The basss
is unreal, but
man, the mids are great for checking guitar and voice.

Lance

"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:4504c8b2$1@linux...
>
> Oops. I suppose it'd be good to actuallt type in a response!
>
> I drive my NS-10M's w/ a Bryston 4B (250 watts/side). I seldom use them,
> preferring my old Tannoy SGM 10B's, but I have to admit that the NS-10M's
> are great for checking the stereo image. Where the Tannoys sometimes seem
> a little hazy in the center the NS-10's are rock solid. They're good for
> checking relationships in the mix (especially vocals), but I still love
> my Tannoys. My real secret weapon, however, is my JVC PC-V2 Boombox w/
Hyper
> Bass. No mix leaves without passing the boombox test at high, low and
very
> low volumes. I have another in case this one dies, but if they both kick
> the bucket I may have to retire!
>
> Gantt
>
> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>These things seem to have some qualities relating to stereo imaging that
> >are
> >>very obvious. I don't think I've ever used a pair of monitors where the
> >>stereo image would seem to shift so drastically when moving even a
little
> >>bit outside the sweet spot. At the same time, when monitoring in the
sweet
> >>spot, it's very obvious where t6he various instruments lie in the
> >>soundstage.
> >>
> >>Combining these with a subwoofer is absolutely necessary in my room as
> they
> >>are 5' from the back wall of the CR and there is no standing wave action
> >>happening in the CR to reinforce any of the LF at all.
> >>
> >>I'm enjoying learning these monitors. It's becoming more and more
obvious
> >to
> >>me why these have been a staple in studios for a long
> >>time.............plus........like 90% of everything else here, including
> >>me......they're obsolete!!!!!!
> >>
> >>
> >
>

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Re: NS10's....is it just me? [message #72326 is a reply to message #72319]

Wed, 13 September 2006 10:44

Gantt Kushner

Messages: 545
Registered: June 2006
Location: Silver Spring, Maryland, ...

Senior Member

The thing that's cool about my JVC boombox is that the "Hyperbass" and the
peizo tweeters exacerbate any problems I may have in the highs and lows.
If everything sits right at high AND low volumes - and I'm talking about
low enough to talk over without straining - then it'll probably translate
to most any other system.

Gantt

"Lance Reichert" <lance.rocks@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
>Hey Grant, I've used my JVC kaboom for mixing a few times as well. The basss
>is unreal, but
>man, the mids are great for checking guitar and voice.
>
>Lance
>
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:4504c8b2$1@linux...
>>
>> Oops. I suppose it'd be good to actuallt type in a response!
>>
>> I drive my NS-10M's w/ a Bryston 4B (250 watts/side). I seldom use them,
>> preferring my old Tannoy SGM 10B's, but I have to admit that the NS-10M's
>> are great for checking the stereo image. Where the Tannoys sometimes
seem
>> a little hazy in the center the NS-10's are rock solid. They're good
for
>> checking relationships in the mix (especially vocals), but I still love
>> my Tannoys. My real secret weapon, however, is my JVC PC-V2 Boombox w/
>Hyper
>> Bass. No mix leaves without passing the boombox test at high, low and
>very
>> low volumes. I have another in case this one dies, but if they both kick
>> the bucket I may have to retire!
>>
>> Gantt
>>
>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>These things seem to have some qualities relating to stereo imaging
that
>> >are
>> >>very obvious. I don't think I've ever used a pair of monitors where
the
>> >>stereo image would seem to shift so drastically when moving even a
>little
>> >>bit outside the sweet spot. At the same time, when monitoring in the
>sweet
>> >>spot, it's very obvious where t6he various instruments lie in the
>> >>soundstage.
>> >>
>> >>Combining these with a subwoofer is absolutely necessary in my room
as
>> they
>> >>are 5' from the back wall of the CR and there is no standing wave action
>> >>happening in the CR to reinforce any of the LF at all.
>> >>
>> >>I'm enjoying learning these monitors. It's becoming more and more
>obvious
>> >to
>> >>me why these have been a staple in studios for a long
>> >>time.............plus........like 90% of everything else here, including
>> >>me......they're obsolete!!!!!!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>

Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com

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Re: NS10's....is it just me? [message #72328 is a reply to message #72326]

Wed, 13 September 2006 11:18

brandon[2]

Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006

Senior Member

Dont forget to put the little piece of toilet paper over the tweeters for
the
authentic NS10 experience!!!

--
Brandon Goodwin

Process Engineering
Pentech Assembly
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:4508439a$1@linux...
>
> The thing that's cool about my JVC boombox is that the "Hyperbass" and
the
> peizo tweeters exacerbate any problems I may have in the highs and lows.
> If everything sits right at high AND low volumes - and I'm talking about
> low enough to talk over without straining - then it'll probably translate
> to most any other system.
>
> Gantt
>
> "Lance Reichert" <lance.rocks@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
> >Hey Grant, I've used my JVC kaboom for mixing a few times as well. The
basss
> >is unreal, but
> >man, the mids are great for checking guitar and voice.
> >
> >Lance
> >
> >
> >"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:4504c8b2$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Oops. I suppose it'd be good to actuallt type in a response!
> >>
> >> I drive my NS-10M's w/ a Bryston 4B (250 watts/side). I seldom use
them,
> >> preferring my old Tannoy SGM 10B's, but I have to admit that the
NS-10M's
> >> are great for checking the stereo image. Where the Tannoys sometimes
> seem
> >> a little hazy in the center the NS-10's are rock solid. They're good
> for
> >> checking relationships in the mix (especially vocals), but I still
love
> >> my Tannoys. My real secret weapon, however, is my JVC PC-V2 Boombox w/
> >Hyper
> >> Bass. No mix leaves without passing the boombox test at high, low and
> >very
> >> low volumes. I have another in case this one dies, but if they both
kick
> >> the bucket I may have to retire!
> >>
> >> Gantt
> >>
> >> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >>These things seem to have some qualities relating to stereo imaging
> that
> >> >are
> >> >>very obvious. I don't think I've ever used a pair of monitors where
> the
> >> >>stereo image would seem to shift so drastically when moving even a
> >little
> >> >>bit outside the sweet spot. At the same time, when monitoring in the
> >sweet
> >> >>spot, it's very obvious where t6he various instruments lie in the
> >> >>soundstage.
> >> >>
> >> >>Combining these with a subwoofer is absolutely necessary in my room
> as
> >> they
> >> >>are 5' from the back wall of the CR and there is no standing wave
action
> >> >>happening in the CR to reinforce any of the LF at all.
> >> >>
> >> >>I'm enjoying learning these monitors. It's becoming more and more
> >obvious
> >> >to
> >> >>me why these have been a staple in studios for a long
> >> >>time.............plus........like 90% of everything else here,
including
> >> >>me......they're obsolete!!!!!!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>

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Re: NS10's....is it just me? [message #72336 is a reply to message #72196]

Wed, 13 September 2006 12:19

Deej [1]

Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006

Senior Member

Another thing I'm noticing is the how obvious the levels are on reverbs.
It's very easy to hear washiness and to judge the results frequency
boosts/damping, predelays, etc. with these monitors.

"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:45038db5@linux...
> That's about my take on 'em too man. In some ways, I kinda miss having
that
> overachiever stereo thang they did so well.
>
> AA
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:45038304@linux...
> > These things seem to have some qualities relating to stereo imaging that
> > are
> > very obvious. I don't think I've ever used a pair of monitors where the
> > stereo image would seem to shift so drastically when moving even a
little
> > bit outside the sweet spot. At the same time, when monitoring in the
sweet
> > spot, it's very obvious where t6he various instruments lie in the
> > soundstage.
> >
> > Combining these with a subwoofer is absolutely necessary in my room as
> > they
> > are 5' from the back wall of the CR and there is no standing wave action
> > happening in the CR to reinforce any of the LF at all.
> >
> > I'm enjoying learning these monitors. It's becoming more and more
obvious
> > to
> > me why these have been a staple in studios for a long
> > time.............plus........like 90% of everything else here, including
> > me......they're obsolete!!!!!!
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Re: NS10's....is it just me? [message #72346 is a reply to message #72336]

Wed, 13 September 2006 15:34

Aaron Allen

Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008

Senior Member

I'm betting that with all the acoustic material you're doing these days you
will end up very attached to these pups.
AA

"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:45085a8a$1@linux...
> Another thing I'm noticing is the how obvious the levels are on reverbs.
> It's very easy to hear washiness and to judge the results frequency
> boosts/damping, predelays, etc. with these monitors.
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> news:45038db5@linux...
>> That's about my take on 'em too man. In some ways, I kinda miss having
> that
>> overachiever stereo thang they did so well.
>>
>> AA
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> news:45038304@linux...
>> > These things seem to have some qualities relating to stereo imaging
>> > that
>> > are
>> > very obvious. I don't think I've ever used a pair of monitors where the
>> > stereo image would seem to shift so drastically when moving even a
> little
>> > bit outside the sweet spot. At the same time, when monitoring in the
> sweet
>> > spot, it's very obvious where t6he various instruments lie in the
>> > soundstage.
>> >
>> > Combining these with a subwoofer is absolutely necessary in my room as
>> > they
>> > are 5' from the back wall of the CR and there is no standing wave
>> > action
>> > happening in the CR to reinforce any of the LF at all.
>> >
>> > I'm enjoying learning these monitors. It's becoming more and more
> obvious
>> > to
>> > me why these have been a staple in studios for a long
>> > time.............plus........like 90% of everything else here,
>> > including
>> > me......they're obsolete!!!!!!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

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Re: NS10's....is it just me? [message #72351 is a reply to message #72346]

Wed, 13 September 2006 15:47

Deej [1]

Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006

Senior Member

I'm getting some tracks in here from a friend in Austin who is the pickiest
classical guitarist I've ever seen. He recorded them on a PT system at
96kHz. I'm going to either have to downsample them and process them in Paris
or process them using analog through the inserts in Cubase..In any event,
he's not happy with what he's getting in PT so I'll likely just *Parisize*
them. He's really wanting to get that Quantec vibe, I think. I may try the
Quantec IR's in SIR at 96k before I SRC these to go to the final CD media.
It will be nice to have these NS10's to help me reference the ambience
levels.

"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:450885c5@linux...
> I'm betting that with all the acoustic material you're doing these days
you
> will end up very attached to these pups.
> AA
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:45085a8a$1@linux...
> > Another thing I'm noticing is the how obvious the levels are on reverbs.
> > It's very easy to hear washiness and to judge the results frequency
> > boosts/damping, predelays, etc. with these monitors.
> >
> >
> > "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> > news:45038db5@linux...
> >> That's about my take on 'em too man. In some ways, I kinda miss having
> > that
> >> overachiever stereo thang they did so well.
> >>
> >> AA
> >>
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >> news:45038304@linux...
> >> > These things seem to have some qualities relating to stereo imaging
> >> > that
> >> > are
> >> > very obvious. I don't think I've ever used a pair of monitors where
the
> >> > stereo image would seem to shift so drastically when moving even a
> > little
> >> > bit outside the sweet spot. At the same time, when monitoring in the
> > sweet
> >> > spot, it's very obvious where t6he various instruments lie in the
> >> > soundstage.
> >> >
> >> > Combining these with a subwoofer is absolutely necessary in my room
as
> >> > they
> >> > are 5' from the back wall of the CR and there is no standing wave
> >> > action
> >> > happening in the CR to reinforce any of the LF at all.
> >> >
> >> > I'm enjoying learning these monitors. It's becoming more and more
> > obvious
> >> > to
> >> > me why these have been a staple in studios for a long
> >> > time.............plus........like 90% of everything else here,
> >> > including
> >> > me......they're obsolete!!!!!!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

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