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Follow up to Chris about the Intel patch [message #87311]

Thu, 28 June 2007 06:41

TCB
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It looks worse than we realized. This is from Theo de Raadt, one of the true
alpha geeks in the world. He's the main man behind OpenBSD and also the maintainer
of SSH, so he knows a bit about 'puters.

http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=118296441702631

TCB

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Re: Follow up to Chris about the Intel patch [message #87312 is a reply to message #87311]

Thu, 28 June 2007 07:16

Chris Ludwig

Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006

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HI Thad,
Excellent thanks been looking for info on what the "problem" . The sad
part is that AMD has had very few of these type of design problems in
their history.
But now are barely afloat because they don't rush stuff out. Intel made
a decided effort to bring down AMD by pushing out their dual-core
technology earlier and now selling their cpus at what I bet is a lose to
force AMD to drop their more. Sense AMD is 8 times smaller than Intel it
is easy for Intel to loose some money to gain more market share. Even we
were forced by Intel drastic moves and having AMD hot a brick wall in
development for a while. We had been a AMD only shop for at least years
before that. Now we sell nothing but Intel. There is nothing by AMD
worth selling at this point. Hopefully this will help give AMD a kick up
so they can survive Intel's onslaught. If AMD is finally able get the
new multi-core technology they have out of the lab you will see many
people going back to them. I bet Apple will be the first one.
Chris

TCB wrote:
> It looks worse than we realized. This is from Theo de Raadt, one of the true
> alpha geeks in the world. He's the main man behind OpenBSD and also the maintainer
> of SSH, so he knows a bit about 'puters.
>
> http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=118296441702631
>
> TCB
>

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ADK
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www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
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Re: Follow up to Chris about the Intel patch [message #87314 is a reply to message #87312]

Thu, 28 June 2007 08:19

TCB
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Registered: July 2007

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Intel makes M$oft look like a highly more, honestly competitive company.

What's scary is that 'userland' code should be able to exploit some of these.
Bad bad bad.

TCB

Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI Thad,
> Excellent thanks been looking for info on what the "problem" . The sad

>part is that AMD has had very few of these type of design problems in
>their history.
>But now are barely afloat because they don't rush stuff out. Intel made

>a decided effort to bring down AMD by pushing out their dual-core
>technology earlier and now selling their cpus at what I bet is a lose to

>force AMD to drop their more. Sense AMD is 8 times smaller than Intel it

>is easy for Intel to loose some money to gain more market share. Even we

>were forced by Intel drastic moves and having AMD hot a brick wall in
>development for a while. We had been a AMD only shop for at least years

>before that. Now we sell nothing but Intel. There is nothing by AMD
>worth selling at this point. Hopefully this will help give AMD a kick up

>so they can survive Intel's onslaught. If AMD is finally able get the
>new multi-core technology they have out of the lab you will see many
>people going back to them. I bet Apple will be the first one.
>Chris
>
>
>
>TCB wrote:
>> It looks worse than we realized. This is from Theo de Raadt, one of the
true
>> alpha geeks in the world. He's the main man behind OpenBSD and also the
maintainer
>> of SSH, so he knows a bit about 'puters.
>>
>> http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=118296441702631
>>
>> TCB
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762

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Re: Follow up to Chris about the Intel patch [message #87317 is a reply to message #87311]

Thu, 28 June 2007 10:07

Graham Duncan

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Registered: December 2008

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Oh good. Glad I spent the extra $300 on the quad. I wonder if these
errata are responsible for some of the weird bugs people are having on
Core2 DAW machines? Sometimes I think it's amazing that computers work
at all.

Graham

TCB wrote:
> It looks worse than we realized. This is from Theo de Raadt, one of the true
> alpha geeks in the world. He's the main man behind OpenBSD and also the maintainer
> of SSH, so he knows a bit about 'puters.
>
> http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=118296441702631
>
> TCB

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Re: Follow up to Chris about the Intel patch [message #87319 is a reply to message #87317]

Thu, 28 June 2007 10:31

TCB
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I looked at the list and while I'm no Theo de Raadt (who is?) none of them
looked particularly audio related. I think 99.999% of DAW problems are either
pilot error, dirty software installs, or bad drivers.

TCB

Graham Duncan <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote:
>Oh good. Glad I spent the extra $300 on the quad. I wonder if these
>errata are responsible for some of the weird bugs people are having on
>Core2 DAW machines? Sometimes I think it's amazing that computers work

>at all.
>
>Graham
>
>TCB wrote:
>> It looks worse than we realized. This is from Theo de Raadt, one of the
true
>> alpha geeks in the world. He's the main man behind OpenBSD and also the
maintainer
>> of SSH, so he knows a bit about 'puters.
>>
>> http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=118296441702631
>>
>> TCB

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Re: Follow up to Chris about the Intel patch [message #87328 is a reply to message #87319]

Thu, 28 June 2007 13:24

Chris Ludwig

Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006

Senior Member

yep
don't forget sloppy coding.

TCB wrote:
> I looked at the list and while I'm no Theo de Raadt (who is?) none of them
> looked particularly audio related. I think 99.999% of DAW problems are either
> pilot error, dirty software installs, or bad drivers.
>
> TCB
>
> Graham Duncan <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote:
>> Oh good. Glad I spent the extra $300 on the quad. I wonder if these
>> errata are responsible for some of the weird bugs people are having on
>> Core2 DAW machines? Sometimes I think it's amazing that computers work
>
>> at all.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> TCB wrote:
>>> It looks worse than we realized. This is from Theo de Raadt, one of the
> true
>>> alpha geeks in the world. He's the main man behind OpenBSD and also the
> maintainer
>>> of SSH, so he knows a bit about 'puters.
>>>
>>> http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=118296441702631
>>>
>>> TCB
>

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(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
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Re: Follow up to Chris about the Intel patch [message #87334 is a reply to message #87314]

Thu, 28 June 2007 17:46

Neil
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Registered: April 2006

Senior Member

So, if I have an Intel Pentium "D" 820 64-bit dual-core, do I
need this patch? Or is the "Core2Duo" (what this patch says
it's for) a different series?

Neil

"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Intel makes M$oft look like a highly more, honestly competitive company.

>
>What's scary is that 'userland' code should be able to exploit some of these.
>Bad bad bad.
>
>TCB
>
>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>HI Thad,
>> Excellent thanks been looking for info on what the "problem" . The sad
>
>>part is that AMD has had very few of these type of design problems in
>>their history.
>>But now are barely afloat because they don't rush stuff out. Intel made
>
>>a decided effort to bring down AMD by pushing out their dual-core
>>technology earlier and now selling their cpus at what I bet is a lose to
>
>>force AMD to drop their more. Sense AMD is 8 times smaller than Intel it
>
>>is easy for Intel to loose some money to gain more market share. Even we
>
>>were forced by Intel drastic moves and having AMD hot a brick wall in
>>development for a while. We had been a AMD only shop for at least years
>
>>before that. Now we sell nothing but Intel. There is nothing by AMD
>>worth selling at this point. Hopefully this will help give AMD a kick up
>
>>so they can survive Intel's onslaught. If AMD is finally able get the
>>new multi-core technology they have out of the lab you will see many
>>people going back to them. I bet Apple will be the first one.
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>TCB wrote:
>>> It looks worse than we realized. This is from Theo de Raadt, one of the
>true
>>> alpha geeks in the world. He's the main man behind OpenBSD and also the
>maintainer
>>> of SSH, so he knows a bit about 'puters.
>>>
>>> http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=118296441702631
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>ADK
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>(859) 635-5762
>

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Re: Follow up to Chris about the Intel patch [message #87352 is a reply to message #87334]

Thu, 28 June 2007 21:48

Chris Ludwig

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Registered: May 2006

Senior Member

HI Neil,
http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40567

also some more details from Intel.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40627

Neil wrote:
> So, if I have an Intel Pentium "D" 820 64-bit dual-core, do I
> need this patch? Or is the "Core2Duo" (what this patch says
> it's for) a different series?
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>> Intel makes M$oft look like a highly more, honestly competitive company.
>>
>
>
>> What's scary is that 'userland' code should be able to exploit some of these.
>> Bad bad bad.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>> HI Thad,
>>> Excellent thanks been looking for info on what the "problem" . The sad
>>>
>>> part is that AMD has had very few of these type of design problems in
>>> their history.
>>> But now are barely afloat because they don't rush stuff out. Intel made
>>>
>>> a decided effort to bring down AMD by pushing out their dual-core
>>> technology earlier and now selling their cpus at what I bet is a lose to
>>>
>>> force AMD to drop their more. Sense AMD is 8 times smaller than Intel it
>>>
>>> is easy for Intel to loose some money to gain more market share. Even we
>>>
>>> were forced by Intel drastic moves and having AMD hot a brick wall in
>>> development for a while. We had been a AMD only shop for at least years
>>>
>>> before that. Now we sell nothing but Intel. There is nothing by AMD
>>> worth selling at this point. Hopefully this will help give AMD a kick up
>>>
>>> so they can survive Intel's onslaught. If AMD is finally able get the
>>> new multi-core technology they have out of the lab you will see many
>>> people going back to them. I bet Apple will be the first one.
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> TCB wrote:
>>>
>>>> It looks worse than we realized. This is from Theo de Raadt, one of the
>>>>
>> true
>>
>>>> alpha geeks in the world. He's the main man behind OpenBSD and also the
>>>>
>> maintainer
>>
>>>> of SSH, so he knows a bit about 'puters.
>>>>
>>>> http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=118296441702631
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> ADK
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>
>
>

--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
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Re: Follow up to Chris about the Intel patch [message #87356 is a reply to message #87352]

Fri, 29 June 2007 04:33

John [1]
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so my e6700 is not affected?

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Re: Follow up to Chris about the Intel patch [message #87367 is a reply to message #87356]

Fri, 29 June 2007 10:48

Neil
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Registered: April 2006

Senior Member

LOL! Yeah the article did me no good, either - I still don't know
if I need it for my series of Intel chip.

Been working fine so far, maybe i should forego it.

Neil

"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>so my e6700 is not affected?

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Re: Follow up to Chris about the Intel patch [message #87374 is a reply to message #87367]

Fri, 29 June 2007 11:58

Chris Ludwig

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Registered: May 2006

Senior Member

Basically any processor past th Pentium D from what I can see.
I have already see a performance improvement in Cubase.

YOu might also want to make sure you are using the most current BIOS for
your motherboard before the patch.

Neil wrote:
> LOL! Yeah the article did me no good, either - I still don't know
> if I need it for my series of Intel chip.
>
> Been working fine so far, maybe i should forego it.
>
> Neil
>
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>> so my e6700 is not affected?
>

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