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A Chip That Can Transfer Data Using Laser Light
By JOHN MARKOFF
Published: September 18, 2006
SAN FRANCISCO, Sept. 17 - Researchers plan to announce on Monday that they
have created a silicon-based chip that can produce laser beams. The advance
will make it possible to use laser light rather than wires to send data
between chips, removing the most significant bottleneck in computer design.
The development is a result of research at Intel, the world's largest chip
maker, and the University of California, Santa Barbara. Commercializing the
new technology may not happen before the end of the decade, but the prospect
of being able to place hundreds or thousands of data-carrying light beams on
standard industry chips is certain to shake up both the communications and
computer industries.
Lasers are already used to transmit high volumes of computer data over
longer distances - for example, between offices, cities and across oceans -
using fiber optic cables. But in computer chips, data moves at great speed
over the wires inside, then slows to a snail's pace when it is sent
chip-to-chip inside a computer.
With the barrier removed, computer designers will be able to rethink
computers, packing chips more densely both in home systems and in giant data
centers. Moreover, the laser-silicon chips - composed of a spider's web of
laser light in addition to metal wires - portend a vastly more powerful and
less expensive national computing infrastructure. For a few dollars apiece,
such chips could transmit data at 100 times the speed of laser-based
communications equipment, called optical transceivers, that typically cost
several thousand dollars.
Currently fiber optic networks are used to transmit data to individual
neighborhoods in cities where the data is then distributed by slower
conventional wire-based communications gear. The laser chips will make it
possible to send avalanches of data to and from individual homes at far less
cost.
They could also give rise to a new class of supercomputers that could share
data internally at speeds not possible today.
The breakthrough was achieved by bonding a layer of light-emitting indium
phosphide onto the surface of a standard silicon chip etched with special
channels that act as light-wave guides. The resulting sandwich has the
potential to create on a computer chip hundreds and possibly thousands of
tiny, bright lasers that can be switched on and off billions of times a
second.
"This is a field that has just begun exploding in the past 18 months," said
Eli Yablonovitch, a physicist at the University of California, Los Angeles,
a leading researcher in the field. "There is going to be a lot more optical
communications in computing than people have thought."
Indeed, the results of the development work, which will be reported in a
coming issue of Optics Express, an international journal, indicate that a
high-stakes race is under way worldwide. While the researchers at Intel and
Santa Barbara are betting on indium phosphide, Japanese scientists in a
related effort are pursuing a different material, the chemical element
erbium.
Although commercial chips with built-in lasers are years away, Luxtera, a
company in Carlsbad, Calif., is already selling test chips that incorporate
most optical components directly into silicon and then inject laser light
from a separate source.
The Intel-Santa Barbara work proves that it is possible to make complete
photonic devices using standard chip-making machinery, although not entirely
out of silicon. "There has always been this final hurdle," said Mario
Paniccia, director of the Photonics Technology Lab at Intel. "We have now
come up with a solution that optimizes both sides."
In the past it has proved impossible to couple standard silicon with the
exotic materials that emit light when electrically charged. But the
university team supplied a low-temperature bonding technique that does not
melt the silicon circuitry. The approach uses an electrically charged oxygen
gas to create a layer of oxide just 25 atoms thick on each material. When
heated and pressed together, the oxide layer fuses the two materials into a
single chip that conducts information both through wires and on beams of
reflected light.
"Photonics has been a low-volume cottage industry," said John E. Bowers,
director of the Multidisciplinary Optical Switching Technology Center at the
University of California, Santa Barbara. "Everything will change and laser
communications will be everywhere, including fiber to the home."
Photonics industry experts briefed on the technique said that it would
almost certainly pave the way for commercialization of the long-sought
convergence of silicon chips and optical lasers. "Before, there was more
hype than substance," said Alan Huang, a former Bell Laboratories researcher
who is a pioneer in the field and is now chief technology officer of the
Terabit Corporation, a photonics start-up company in Menlo Park, Calif. "Now
I believe this will lead to future applications in optoelectronics
If I don't have one of these by next week, I will die......
;o)
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| Re: Before you drop a bunch of bucks on that next CPU upgrade......... [message #72609 is a reply to message #72598] |
Mon, 18 September 2006 12:23  |
rick
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and don't forget the welders goggles...orthe bactine for the burns.
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:25:53 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>A Chip That Can Transfer Data Using Laser Light
>
>By JOHN MARKOFF
>Published: September 18, 2006
>
>SAN FRANCISCO, Sept. 17 - Researchers plan to announce on Monday that they
>have created a silicon-based chip that can produce laser beams. The advance
>will make it possible to use laser light rather than wires to send data
>between chips, removing the most significant bottleneck in computer design.
>
>The development is a result of research at Intel, the world's largest chip
>maker, and the University of California, Santa Barbara. Commercializing the
>new technology may not happen before the end of the decade, but the prospect
>of being able to place hundreds or thousands of data-carrying light beams on
>standard industry chips is certain to shake up both the communications and
>computer industries.
>
>Lasers are already used to transmit high volumes of computer data over
>longer distances - for example, between offices, cities and across oceans -
>using fiber optic cables. But in computer chips, data moves at great speed
>over the wires inside, then slows to a snail's pace when it is sent
>chip-to-chip inside a computer.
>
>With the barrier removed, computer designers will be able to rethink
>computers, packing chips more densely both in home systems and in giant data
>centers. Moreover, the laser-silicon chips - composed of a spider's web of
>laser light in addition to metal wires - portend a vastly more powerful and
>less expensive national computing infrastructure. For a few dollars apiece,
>such chips could transmit data at 100 times the speed of laser-based
>communications equipment, called optical transceivers, that typically cost
>several thousand dollars.
>
>Currently fiber optic networks are used to transmit data to individual
>neighborhoods in cities where the data is then distributed by slower
>conventional wire-based communications gear. The laser chips will make it
>possible to send avalanches of data to and from individual homes at far less
>cost.
>
>They could also give rise to a new class of supercomputers that could share
>data internally at speeds not possible today.
>
>The breakthrough was achieved by bonding a layer of light-emitting indium
>phosphide onto the surface of a standard silicon chip etched with special
>channels that act as light-wave guides. The resulting sandwich has the
>potential to create on a computer chip hundreds and possibly thousands of
>tiny, bright lasers that can be switched on and off billions of times a
>second.
>
>"This is a field that has just begun exploding in the past 18 months," said
>Eli Yablonovitch, a physicist at the University of California, Los Angeles,
>a leading researcher in the field. "There is going to be a lot more optical
>communications in computing than people have thought."
>
>Indeed, the results of the development work, which will be reported in a
>coming issue of Optics Express, an international journal, indicate that a
>high-stakes race is under way worldwide. While the researchers at Intel and
>Santa Barbara are betting on indium phosphide, Japanese scientists in a
>related effort are pursuing a different material, the chemical element
>erbium.
>
>Although commercial chips with built-in lasers are years away, Luxtera, a
>company in Carlsbad, Calif., is already selling test chips that incorporate
>most optical components directly into silicon and then inject laser light
>from a separate source.
>
>The Intel-Santa Barbara work proves that it is possible to make complete
>photonic devices using standard chip-making machinery, although not entirely
>out of silicon. "There has always been this final hurdle," said Mario
>Paniccia, director of the Photonics Technology Lab at Intel. "We have now
>come up with a solution that optimizes both sides."
>
>In the past it has proved impossible to couple standard silicon with the
>exotic materials that emit light when electrically charged. But the
>university team supplied a low-temperature bonding technique that does not
>melt the silicon circuitry. The approach uses an electrically charged oxygen
>gas to create a layer of oxide just 25 atoms thick on each material. When
>heated and pressed together, the oxide layer fuses the two materials into a
>single chip that conducts information both through wires and on beams of
>reflected light.
>
>"Photonics has been a low-volume cottage industry," said John E. Bowers,
>director of the Multidisciplinary Optical Switching Technology Center at the
>University of California, Santa Barbara. "Everything will change and laser
>communications will be everywhere, including fiber to the home."
>
>Photonics industry experts briefed on the technique said that it would
>almost certainly pave the way for commercialization of the long-sought
>convergence of silicon chips and optical lasers. "Before, there was more
>hype than substance," said Alan Huang, a former Bell Laboratories researcher
>who is a pioneer in the field and is now chief technology officer of the
>Terabit Corporation, a photonics start-up company in Menlo Park, Calif. "Now
>I believe this will lead to future applications in optoelectronics
>
>If I don't have one of these by next week, I will die......
>
>;o)
>
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| Re: Before you drop a bunch of bucks on that next CPU upgrade......... [message #72627 is a reply to message #72598] |
Mon, 18 September 2006 15:40 |
Martin Harrington
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Wow...
When I was recording Beyond 2000, in the 80's, (87 I think), we went to Bell
Labs in New Jersey and they were just starting to work on a laser chip for
computing...it was big...about the size of a dining room table, but they had
it switching on and off....embryonic then.
Those guys there had dream jobs...PhD's, and all they had to do was dream,
and think of "what is / what if...."
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:450ec8f5@linux...
>A Chip That Can Transfer Data Using Laser Light
>
> By JOHN MARKOFF
> Published: September 18, 2006
>
> SAN FRANCISCO, Sept. 17 - Researchers plan to announce on Monday that they
> have created a silicon-based chip that can produce laser beams. The
> advance
> will make it possible to use laser light rather than wires to send data
> between chips, removing the most significant bottleneck in computer
> design.
>
> The development is a result of research at Intel, the world's largest chip
> maker, and the University of California, Santa Barbara. Commercializing
> the
> new technology may not happen before the end of the decade, but the
> prospect
> of being able to place hundreds or thousands of data-carrying light beams
> on
> standard industry chips is certain to shake up both the communications and
> computer industries.
>
> Lasers are already used to transmit high volumes of computer data over
> longer distances - for example, between offices, cities and across
> oceans -
> using fiber optic cables. But in computer chips, data moves at great speed
> over the wires inside, then slows to a snail's pace when it is sent
> chip-to-chip inside a computer.
>
> With the barrier removed, computer designers will be able to rethink
> computers, packing chips more densely both in home systems and in giant
> data
> centers. Moreover, the laser-silicon chips - composed of a spider's web of
> laser light in addition to metal wires - portend a vastly more powerful
> and
> less expensive national computing infrastructure. For a few dollars
> apiece,
> such chips could transmit data at 100 times the speed of laser-based
> communications equipment, called optical transceivers, that typically cost
> several thousand dollars.
>
> Currently fiber optic networks are used to transmit data to individual
> neighborhoods in cities where the data is then distributed by slower
> conventional wire-based communications gear. The laser chips will make it
> possible to send avalanches of data to and from individual homes at far
> less
> cost.
>
> They could also give rise to a new class of supercomputers that could
> share
> data internally at speeds not possible today.
>
> The breakthrough was achieved by bonding a layer of light-emitting indium
> phosphide onto the surface of a standard silicon chip etched with special
> channels that act as light-wave guides. The resulting sandwich has the
> potential to create on a computer chip hundreds and possibly thousands of
> tiny, bright lasers that can be switched on and off billions of times a
> second.
>
> "This is a field that has just begun exploding in the past 18 months,"
> said
> Eli Yablonovitch, a physicist at the University of California, Los
> Angeles,
> a leading researcher in the field. "There is going to be a lot more
> optical
> communications in computing than people have thought."
>
> Indeed, the results of the development work, which will be reported in a
> coming issue of Optics Express, an international journal, indicate that a
> high-stakes race is under way worldwide. While the researchers at Intel
> and
> Santa Barbara are betting on indium phosphide, Japanese scientists in a
> related effort are pursuing a different material, the chemical element
> erbium.
>
> Although commercial chips with built-in lasers are years away, Luxtera, a
> company in Carlsbad, Calif., is already selling test chips that
> incorporate
> most optical components directly into silicon and then inject laser light
> from a separate source.
>
> The Intel-Santa Barbara work proves that it is possible to make complete
> photonic devices using standard chip-making machinery, although not
> entirely
> out of silicon. "There has always been this final hurdle," said Mario
> Paniccia, director of the Photonics Technology Lab at Intel. "We have now
> come up with a solution that optimizes both sides."
>
> In the past it has proved impossible to couple standard silicon with the
> exotic materials that emit light when electrically charged. But the
> university team supplied a low-temperature bonding technique that does not
> melt the silicon circuitry. The approach uses an electrically charged
> oxygen
> gas to create a layer of oxide just 25 atoms thick on each material. When
> heated and pressed together, the oxide layer fuses the two materials into
> a
> single chip that conducts information both through wires and on beams of
> reflected light.
>
> "Photonics has been a low-volume cottage industry," said John E. Bowers,
> director of the Multidisciplinary Optical Switching Technology Center at
> the
> University of California, Santa Barbara. "Everything will change and laser
> communications will be everywhere, including fiber to the home."
>
> Photonics industry experts briefed on the technique said that it would
> almost certainly pave the way for commercialization of the long-sought
> convergence of silicon chips and optical lasers. "Before, there was more
> hype than substance," said Alan Huang, a former Bell Laboratories
> researcher
> who is a pioneer in the field and is now chief technology officer of the
> Terabit Corporation, a photonics start-up company in Menlo Park, Calif.
> "Now
> I believe this will lead to future applications in optoelectronics
>
> If I don't have one of these by next week, I will die......
>
> ;o)
>
>
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| Re: Before you drop a bunch of bucks on that next CPU upgrade......... [message #72649 is a reply to message #72598] |
Mon, 18 September 2006 18:03 |
Aaron Allen
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Fiber networks rock. I'm wondering though, when will this all hit a phase
where a guy has to get a variance just to run his network :)
AA
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:450ec8f5@linux...
>A Chip That Can Transfer Data Using Laser Light
>
> By JOHN MARKOFF
> Published: September 18, 2006
>
> SAN FRANCISCO, Sept. 17 - Researchers plan to announce on Monday that they
> have created a silicon-based chip that can produce laser beams. The
> advance
> will make it possible to use laser light rather than wires to send data
> between chips, removing the most significant bottleneck in computer
> design.
>
> The development is a result of research at Intel, the world's largest chip
> maker, and the University of California, Santa Barbara. Commercializing
> the
> new technology may not happen before the end of the decade, but the
> prospect
> of being able to place hundreds or thousands of data-carrying light beams
> on
> standard industry chips is certain to shake up both the communications and
> computer industries.
>
> Lasers are already used to transmit high volumes of computer data over
> longer distances - for example, between offices, cities and across
> oceans -
> using fiber optic cables. But in computer chips, data moves at great speed
> over the wires inside, then slows to a snail's pace when it is sent
> chip-to-chip inside a computer.
>
> With the barrier removed, computer designers will be able to rethink
> computers, packing chips more densely both in home systems and in giant
> data
> centers. Moreover, the laser-silicon chips - composed of a spider's web of
> laser light in addition to metal wires - portend a vastly more powerful
> and
> less expensive national computing infrastructure. For a few dollars
> apiece,
> such chips could transmit data at 100 times the speed of laser-based
> communications equipment, called optical transceivers, that typically cost
> several thousand dollars.
>
> Currently fiber optic networks are used to transmit data to individual
> neighborhoods in cities where the data is then distributed by slower
> conventional wire-based communications gear. The laser chips will make it
> possible to send avalanches of data to and from individual homes at far
> less
> cost.
>
> They could also give rise to a new class of supercomputers that could
> share
> data internally at speeds not possible today.
>
> The breakthrough was achieved by bonding a layer of light-emitting indium
> phosphide onto the surface of a standard silicon chip etched with special
> channels that act as light-wave guides. The resulting sandwich has the
> potential to create on a computer chip hundreds and possibly thousands of
> tiny, bright lasers that can be switched on and off billions of times a
> second.
>
> "This is a field that has just begun exploding in the past 18 months,"
> said
> Eli Yablonovitch, a physicist at the University of California, Los
> Angeles,
> a leading researcher in the field. "There is going to be a lot more
> optical
> communications in computing than people have thought."
>
> Indeed, the results of the development work, which will be reported in a
> coming issue of Optics Express, an international journal, indicate that a
> high-stakes race is under way worldwide. While the researchers at Intel
> and
> Santa Barbara are betting on indium phosphide, Japanese scientists in a
> related effort are pursuing a different material, the chemical element
> erbium.
>
> Although commercial chips with built-in lasers are years away, Luxtera, a
> company in Carlsbad, Calif., is already selling test chips that
> incorporate
> most optical components directly into silicon and then inject laser light
> from a separate source.
>
> The Intel-Santa Barbara work proves that it is possible to make complete
> photonic devices using standard chip-making machinery, although not
> entirely
> out of silicon. "There has always been this final hurdle," said Mario
> Paniccia, director of the Photonics Technology Lab at Intel. "We have now
> come up with a solution that optimizes both sides."
>
> In the past it has proved impossible to couple standard silicon with the
> exotic materials that emit light when electrically charged. But the
> university team supplied a low-temperature bonding technique that does not
> melt the silicon circuitry. The approach uses an electrically charged
> oxygen
> gas to create a layer of oxide just 25 atoms thick on each material. When
> heated and pressed together, the oxide layer fuses the two materials into
> a
> single chip that conducts information both through wires and on beams of
> reflected light.
>
> "Photonics has been a low-volume cottage industry," said John E. Bowers,
> director of the Multidisciplinary Optical Switching Technology Center at
> the
> University of California, Santa Barbara. "Everything will change and laser
> communications will be everywhere, including fiber to the home."
>
> Photonics industry experts briefed on the technique said that it would
> almost certainly pave the way for commercialization of the long-sought
> convergence of silicon chips and optical lasers. "Before, there was more
> hype than substance," said Alan Huang, a former Bell Laboratories
> researcher
> who is a pioneer in the field and is now chief technology officer of the
> Terabit Corporation, a photonics start-up company in Menlo Park, Calif.
> "Now
> I believe this will lead to future applications in optoelectronics
>
> If I don't have one of these by next week, I will die......
>
> ;o)
>
>
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| Re: Before you drop a bunch of bucks on that next CPU upgrade......... [message #72841 is a reply to message #72839] |
Thu, 21 September 2006 09:50 |
uptown jimmy
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We lost it all a year ago or so. The business model was slowly failing due
to insane amounts of competition from local dumbasses who thought we were
millionaires and wanted a piece of the action, and from Starbucks, whose
business model relies largely upon letting locally-owned cafes find and
build the market, then move in and put them out of business. At one point I
counted 14 different coffee shops in Athens/Clarke County, the smallest
county in Georgia.
I finally convinced my business partner to go forward with a restaurant
conversion, after years of trying. We brought in a third partner and started
the process. I got sick, basically, borderline nervous breakdown due to
having to do all the work, never mind the years of trying to force myself to
be something I can't be. Then the two of them ran the place into the ground
in record time.
Sheer incompetence, really. My original partner had been a force of
contrariness for years, so I wasn't surprised. I learned a lot of painful
lessons. I hope I show better taste in friends and partners in the future.
But it was one of the best things that ever happened to me, losing that
business. I was so utterly sick of that place I can't put it into words, but
I would never have walked away willingly.
Jimmy
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:4512b1d1$1@linux...
> You don't own your coffeeshop any more?
>
> "Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:450f504f@linux...
> > Ha! Having been a local downtown business owner, that ain't funny,
> actually.
> >
> > Jimmy
> >
> >
> > "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> > news:450f401a$1@linux...
> > > Fiber networks rock. I'm wondering though, when will this all hit a
> phase
> > > where a guy has to get a variance just to run his network :)
> > >
> > > AA
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Re: Before you drop a bunch of bucks on that next CPU upgrade......... [message #72844 is a reply to message #72841] |
Thu, 21 September 2006 10:17 |
animix
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Hey man. You did yourself a favor. Working like that can kill you. I'm glad
you cam out the other side of it a better man. Not everyone can say that.
Good for you Jimmy,
;o)
Deej
"Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:4512c107@linux...
> We lost it all a year ago or so. The business model was slowly failing due
> to insane amounts of competition from local dumbasses who thought we were
> millionaires and wanted a piece of the action, and from Starbucks, whose
> business model relies largely upon letting locally-owned cafes find and
> build the market, then move in and put them out of business. At one point
I
> counted 14 different coffee shops in Athens/Clarke County, the smallest
> county in Georgia.
>
> I finally convinced my business partner to go forward with a restaurant
> conversion, after years of trying. We brought in a third partner and
started
> the process. I got sick, basically, borderline nervous breakdown due to
> having to do all the work, never mind the years of trying to force myself
to
> be something I can't be. Then the two of them ran the place into the
ground
> in record time.
>
> Sheer incompetence, really. My original partner had been a force of
> contrariness for years, so I wasn't surprised. I learned a lot of painful
> lessons. I hope I show better taste in friends and partners in the future.
>
> But it was one of the best things that ever happened to me, losing that
> business. I was so utterly sick of that place I can't put it into words,
but
> I would never have walked away willingly.
>
> Jimmy
>
> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:4512b1d1$1@linux...
> > You don't own your coffeeshop any more?
> >
> > "Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:450f504f@linux...
> > > Ha! Having been a local downtown business owner, that ain't funny,
> > actually.
> > >
> > > Jimmy
> > >
> > >
> > > "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> > > news:450f401a$1@linux...
> > > > Fiber networks rock. I'm wondering though, when will this all hit a
> > phase
> > > > where a guy has to get a variance just to run his network :)
> > > >
> > > > AA
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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Thu, 21 September 2006 10:58 |
uptown jimmy
Messages: 441
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It's really scary how deep into it you can get without realizing how bad
things are. My friends and family were suffering from it, too. Really scary.
Jimmy
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:4512ce9c$1@linux...
> Hey man. You did yourself a favor. Working like that can kill you. I'm
glad
> you cam out the other side of it a better man. Not everyone can say that.
>
> Good for you Jimmy,
>
> ;o)
> Deej
>
> "Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:4512c107@linux...
> > We lost it all a year ago or so. The business model was slowly failing
due
> > to insane amounts of competition from local dumbasses who thought we
were
> > millionaires and wanted a piece of the action, and from Starbucks, whose
> > business model relies largely upon letting locally-owned cafes find and
> > build the market, then move in and put them out of business. At one
point
> I
> > counted 14 different coffee shops in Athens/Clarke County, the smallest
> > county in Georgia.
> >
> > I finally convinced my business partner to go forward with a restaurant
> > conversion, after years of trying. We brought in a third partner and
> started
> > the process. I got sick, basically, borderline nervous breakdown due to
> > having to do all the work, never mind the years of trying to force
myself
> to
> > be something I can't be. Then the two of them ran the place into the
> ground
> > in record time.
> >
> > Sheer incompetence, really. My original partner had been a force of
> > contrariness for years, so I wasn't surprised. I learned a lot of
painful
> > lessons. I hope I show better taste in friends and partners in the
future.
> >
> > But it was one of the best things that ever happened to me, losing that
> > business. I was so utterly sick of that place I can't put it into words,
> but
> > I would never have walked away willingly.
> >
> > Jimmy
> >
> > "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:4512b1d1$1@linux...
> > > You don't own your coffeeshop any more?
> > >
> > > "Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > news:450f504f@linux...
> > > > Ha! Having been a local downtown business owner, that ain't funny,
> > > actually.
> > > >
> > > > Jimmy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> > > > news:450f401a$1@linux...
> > > > > Fiber networks rock. I'm wondering though, when will this all hit
a
> > > phase
> > > > > where a guy has to get a variance just to run his network :)
> > > > >
> > > > > AA
> > > > >
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| Re: Before you drop a bunch of bucks on that next CPU upgrade......... [message #72851 is a reply to message #72847] |
Thu, 21 September 2006 11:41 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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restaurants and studios...two sure fire ways to take a bath without
water. glad you're better
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:58:55 -0400, "Uptown Jimmy"
<johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>It's really scary how deep into it you can get without realizing how bad
>things are. My friends and family were suffering from it, too. Really scary.
>
>Jimmy
>
>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:4512ce9c$1@linux...
>> Hey man. You did yourself a favor. Working like that can kill you. I'm
>glad
>> you cam out the other side of it a better man. Not everyone can say that.
>>
>> Good for you Jimmy,
>>
>> ;o)
>> Deej
>>
>> "Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:4512c107@linux...
>> > We lost it all a year ago or so. The business model was slowly failing
>due
>> > to insane amounts of competition from local dumbasses who thought we
>were
>> > millionaires and wanted a piece of the action, and from Starbucks, whose
>> > business model relies largely upon letting locally-owned cafes find and
>> > build the market, then move in and put them out of business. At one
>point
>> I
>> > counted 14 different coffee shops in Athens/Clarke County, the smallest
>> > county in Georgia.
>> >
>> > I finally convinced my business partner to go forward with a restaurant
>> > conversion, after years of trying. We brought in a third partner and
>> started
>> > the process. I got sick, basically, borderline nervous breakdown due to
>> > having to do all the work, never mind the years of trying to force
>myself
>> to
>> > be something I can't be. Then the two of them ran the place into the
>> ground
>> > in record time.
>> >
>> > Sheer incompetence, really. My original partner had been a force of
>> > contrariness for years, so I wasn't surprised. I learned a lot of
>painful
>> > lessons. I hope I show better taste in friends and partners in the
>future.
>> >
>> > But it was one of the best things that ever happened to me, losing that
>> > business. I was so utterly sick of that place I can't put it into words,
>> but
>> > I would never have walked away willingly.
>> >
>> > Jimmy
>> >
>> > "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:4512b1d1$1@linux...
>> > > You don't own your coffeeshop any more?
>> > >
>> > > "Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> > > news:450f504f@linux...
>> > > > Ha! Having been a local downtown business owner, that ain't funny,
>> > > actually.
>> > > >
>> > > > Jimmy
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>> > > > news:450f401a$1@linux...
>> > > > > Fiber networks rock. I'm wondering though, when will this all hit
>a
>> > > phase
>> > > > > where a guy has to get a variance just to run his network :)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > AA
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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| Re: Before you drop a bunch of bucks on that next CPU upgrade......... [message #72856 is a reply to message #72851] |
Thu, 21 September 2006 12:51 |
uptown jimmy
Messages: 441
Registered: September 2005
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Thanks to all.
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a6n5h2tpa9ni96e3n4rgm30kme31ugbr1m@4ax.com...
> restaurants and studios...two sure fire ways to take a bath without
> water. glad you're better
>
> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:58:55 -0400, "Uptown Jimmy"
> <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >It's really scary how deep into it you can get without realizing how bad
> >things are. My friends and family were suffering from it, too. Really
scary.
> >
> >Jimmy
> >
> >"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:4512ce9c$1@linux...
> >> Hey man. You did yourself a favor. Working like that can kill you. I'm
> >glad
> >> you cam out the other side of it a better man. Not everyone can say
that.
> >>
> >> Good for you Jimmy,
> >>
> >> ;o)
> >> Deej
> >>
> >> "Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >> news:4512c107@linux...
> >> > We lost it all a year ago or so. The business model was slowly
failing
> >due
> >> > to insane amounts of competition from local dumbasses who thought we
> >were
> >> > millionaires and wanted a piece of the action, and from Starbucks,
whose
> >> > business model relies largely upon letting locally-owned cafes find
and
> >> > build the market, then move in and put them out of business. At one
> >point
> >> I
> >> > counted 14 different coffee shops in Athens/Clarke County, the
smallest
> >> > county in Georgia.
> >> >
> >> > I finally convinced my business partner to go forward with a
restaurant
> >> > conversion, after years of trying. We brought in a third partner and
> >> started
> >> > the process. I got sick, basically, borderline nervous breakdown due
to
> >> > having to do all the work, never mind the years of trying to force
> >myself
> >> to
> >> > be something I can't be. Then the two of them ran the place into the
> >> ground
> >> > in record time.
> >> >
> >> > Sheer incompetence, really. My original partner had been a force of
> >> > contrariness for years, so I wasn't surprised. I learned a lot of
> >painful
> >> > lessons. I hope I show better taste in friends and partners in the
> >future.
> >> >
> >> > But it was one of the best things that ever happened to me, losing
that
> >> > business. I was so utterly sick of that place I can't put it into
words,
> >> but
> >> > I would never have walked away willingly.
> >> >
> >> > Jimmy
> >> >
> >> > "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:4512b1d1$1@linux...
> >> > > You don't own your coffeeshop any more?
> >> > >
> >> > > "Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >> > > news:450f504f@linux...
> >> > > > Ha! Having been a local downtown business owner, that ain't
funny,
> >> > > actually.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Jimmy
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> >> > > > news:450f401a$1@linux...
> >> > > > > Fiber networks rock. I'm wondering though, when will this all
hit
> >a
> >> > > phase
> >> > > > > where a guy has to get a variance just to run his network :)
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > AA
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
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