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| So, let's just say, hypothetically... [message #75090] |
Sun, 29 October 2006 08:19  |
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...that I was contemplating switching from Mac to PC so as to take advantage
of all these potential new developments in the land of Paris. Is there an
optimum PC configuration that anyone can suggest that would run Paris flawlessly,
would allow me to use UAD-1 cards w/ all the latest FX as well as the current
Waves stuff (I'm in love w/ the IR-1 at the moment)? And how much would
it cost to build such a machine?
And then (and I don't expect anyone to have an answer for this one!), how
long for me to adjust to being a PC person?!?
Gantt
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: So, let's just say, hypothetically... [message #75095 is a reply to message #75090] |
Sun, 29 October 2006 08:16  |
Tom Bruhl
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Gantt,
Have Chris Ludwig build it and there won't be any problems.
It will scream out of the box.
Tom
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advantage
of all these potential new developments in the land of Paris. Is =
there an
optimum PC configuration that anyone can suggest that would run Paris =
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would allow me to use UAD-1 cards w/ all the latest FX as well as the =
current
Waves stuff (I'm in love w/ the IR-1 at the moment)? And how much =
would
it cost to build such a machine?
And then (and I don't expect anyone to have an answer for this one!), =
how
long for me to adjust to being a PC person?!?
Gantt
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| Re: So, let's just say, hypothetically... [message #75097 is a reply to message #75090] |
Sun, 29 October 2006 10:08 |
Nappy
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Gantt,
I'm starting to think that its time to move on to a native solution.
THe new Mac Pro computers are truly amazing and elegant. When
you look at what you get for the price its a no brainer.(thats if you are
running
a commercial studio) The only reason imho to build or buy a PC is because
you
are happy and used to using one, If you are a Mac user why switch? Even if
you are a PC user when it comes time to buy a new computer I think you should
buy a Mac. I'm talking to the Comercial studio owners. The beauty of the
MAC Pro
is that you can run both operating systems on It. Not to mention the elegant
design. Try building a Dual-Dualcore system for cheaper than the Mac is now.
Remember the Mac Pro's have four proccessers! running at 2.6 ghz! and thats
the
$2700 one! You could run the new version Of Sonar if you want as well as
DP or
Logic. If you think Nuendo runs better under XP,run it under XP. You can
run
Wavelab on the box and all of these app's with pretty much the same hardware.
You can run anything you want on the Mac Pro,except PARIS. Like I said,its
a no
brainer.
respect
Nappy
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
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>..that I was contemplating switching from Mac to PC so as to take advantage
>of all these potential new developments in the land of Paris. Is there
an
>optimum PC configuration that anyone can suggest that would run Paris flawlessly,
>would allow me to use UAD-1 cards w/ all the latest FX as well as the current
>Waves stuff (I'm in love w/ the IR-1 at the moment)? And how much would
>it cost to build such a machine?
>
>And then (and I don't expect anyone to have an answer for this one!), how
>long for me to adjust to being a PC person?!?
>
>Gantt
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| Re: So, let's just say, hypothetically... [message #75099 is a reply to message #75097] |
Sun, 29 October 2006 10:47 |
excelav
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And Quad dual cores are coming soon! ( Core 2 Duo) Me thinks January MacWorld,
or shortly there after.
James
"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
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>Gantt,
>I'm starting to think that its time to move on to a native solution.
>THe new Mac Pro computers are truly amazing and elegant. When
>you look at what you get for the price its a no brainer.(thats if you are
>running
>a commercial studio) The only reason imho to build or buy a PC is because
>you
>are happy and used to using one, If you are a Mac user why switch? Even
if
>you are a PC user when it comes time to buy a new computer I think you should
>buy a Mac. I'm talking to the Comercial studio owners. The beauty of the
>MAC Pro
>is that you can run both operating systems on It. Not to mention the elegant
>design. Try building a Dual-Dualcore system for cheaper than the Mac is
now.
>Remember the Mac Pro's have four proccessers! running at 2.6 ghz! and thats
>the
>$2700 one! You could run the new version Of Sonar if you want as well as
>DP or
>Logic. If you think Nuendo runs better under XP,run it under XP. You can
>run
>Wavelab on the box and all of these app's with pretty much the same hardware.
>You can run anything you want on the Mac Pro,except PARIS. Like I said,its
>a no
>brainer.
>
>respect
>Nappy
>
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>..that I was contemplating switching from Mac to PC so as to take advantage
>>of all these potential new developments in the land of Paris. Is there
>an
>>optimum PC configuration that anyone can suggest that would run Paris flawlessly,
>>would allow me to use UAD-1 cards w/ all the latest FX as well as the current
>>Waves stuff (I'm in love w/ the IR-1 at the moment)? And how much would
>>it cost to build such a machine?
>>
>>And then (and I don't expect anyone to have an answer for this one!), how
>>long for me to adjust to being a PC person?!?
>>
>>Gantt
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| Re: So, let's just say, hypothetically... [message #75101 is a reply to message #75095] |
Sun, 29 October 2006 10:07 |
duncan
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This is good advice if you're serious about making this move work for
you over the long haul... You'll get a rig that will work out of the
box, and a good guy to talk you through any operational issues that
come up along the way... Why reinvent the wheel when you can get
advice from guys who build the dang things every day?
More time then to work on recording, mixing, making music -- the stuff
that actually matters...
good luck with it -- chas.
On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:16:11 -0500, "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net>
wrote:
>Gantt,
>Have Chris Ludwig build it and there won't be any problems.
>It will scream out of the box.
>Tom
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> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message news:4544c674$1@linux...
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> ..that I was contemplating switching from Mac to PC so as to take advantage
> of all these potential new developments in the land of Paris. Is there an
> optimum PC configuration that anyone can suggest that would run Paris flawlessly,
> would allow me to use UAD-1 cards w/ all the latest FX as well as the current
> Waves stuff (I'm in love w/ the IR-1 at the moment)? And how much would
> it cost to build such a machine?
>
> And then (and I don't expect anyone to have an answer for this one!), how
> long for me to adjust to being a PC person?!?
>
> Gantt
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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| Re: So, let's just say, hypothetically... [message #75102 is a reply to message #75099] |
Sun, 29 October 2006 11:01 |
excelav
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Correction, on the Mac Pro it will be quad dual core Xeon Processors not Core
2 duo's Yes, that's eight processors!
James
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>And Quad dual cores are coming soon! ( Core 2 Duo) Me thinks January MacWorld,
>or shortly there after.
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>James
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>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
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>>Gantt,
>>I'm starting to think that its time to move on to a native solution.
>>THe new Mac Pro computers are truly amazing and elegant. When
>>you look at what you get for the price its a no brainer.(thats if you are
>>running
>>a commercial studio) The only reason imho to build or buy a PC is because
>>you
>>are happy and used to using one, If you are a Mac user why switch? Even
>if
>>you are a PC user when it comes time to buy a new computer I think you
should
>>buy a Mac. I'm talking to the Comercial studio owners. The beauty of the
>>MAC Pro
>>is that you can run both operating systems on It. Not to mention the elegant
>>design. Try building a Dual-Dualcore system for cheaper than the Mac is
>now.
>>Remember the Mac Pro's have four proccessers! running at 2.6 ghz! and thats
>>the
>>$2700 one! You could run the new version Of Sonar if you want as well as
>>DP or
>>Logic. If you think Nuendo runs better under XP,run it under XP. You can
>>run
>>Wavelab on the box and all of these app's with pretty much the same hardware.
>>You can run anything you want on the Mac Pro,except PARIS. Like I said,its
>>a no
>>brainer.
>>
>>respect
>>Nappy
>>
>>
>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>..that I was contemplating switching from Mac to PC so as to take advantage
>>>of all these potential new developments in the land of Paris. Is there
>>an
>>>optimum PC configuration that anyone can suggest that would run Paris
flawlessly,
>>>would allow me to use UAD-1 cards w/ all the latest FX as well as the
current
>>>Waves stuff (I'm in love w/ the IR-1 at the moment)? And how much would
>>>it cost to build such a machine?
>>>
>>>And then (and I don't expect anyone to have an answer for this one!),
how
>>>long for me to adjust to being a PC person?!?
>>>
>>>Gantt
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| Re: So, let's just say, hypothetically... [message #75103 is a reply to message #75097] |
Sun, 29 October 2006 10:55 |
AlexPlasko
Messages: 211
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so the mac pro runs windows xp??
"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:4544e01e$1@linux...
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> Gantt,
> I'm starting to think that its time to move on to a native solution.
> THe new Mac Pro computers are truly amazing and elegant. When
> you look at what you get for the price its a no brainer.(thats if you are
> running
> a commercial studio) The only reason imho to build or buy a PC is because
> you
> are happy and used to using one, If you are a Mac user why switch? Even if
> you are a PC user when it comes time to buy a new computer I think you
> should
> buy a Mac. I'm talking to the Comercial studio owners. The beauty of the
> MAC Pro
> is that you can run both operating systems on It. Not to mention the
> elegant
> design. Try building a Dual-Dualcore system for cheaper than the Mac is
> now.
> Remember the Mac Pro's have four proccessers! running at 2.6 ghz! and
> thats
> the
> $2700 one! You could run the new version Of Sonar if you want as well as
> DP or
> Logic. If you think Nuendo runs better under XP,run it under XP. You can
> run
> Wavelab on the box and all of these app's with pretty much the same
> hardware.
> You can run anything you want on the Mac Pro,except PARIS. Like I said,its
> a no
> brainer.
>
> respect
> Nappy
>
>
> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>..that I was contemplating switching from Mac to PC so as to take
>>advantage
>>of all these potential new developments in the land of Paris. Is there
> an
>>optimum PC configuration that anyone can suggest that would run Paris
>>flawlessly,
>>would allow me to use UAD-1 cards w/ all the latest FX as well as the
>>current
>>Waves stuff (I'm in love w/ the IR-1 at the moment)? And how much would
>>it cost to build such a machine?
>>
>>And then (and I don't expect anyone to have an answer for this one!), how
>>long for me to adjust to being a PC person?!?
>>
>>Gantt
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| Re: So, let's just say, hypothetically... [message #75105 is a reply to message #75103] |
Sun, 29 October 2006 13:27 |
Nappy
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Yes! You need a utility app called "Boot Camp" This is not a emulation,its
XP.
Remember the Mac Pro runs Intel Dual Xeon prosessors,
respect
Nappy
"alex plasko" <alex.plasko@snet.net> wrote:
>so the mac pro runs windows xp??
>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:4544e01e$1@linux...
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>> Gantt,
>> I'm starting to think that its time to move on to a native solution.
>> THe new Mac Pro computers are truly amazing and elegant. When
>> you look at what you get for the price its a no brainer.(thats if you
are
>> running
>> a commercial studio) The only reason imho to build or buy a PC is because
>> you
>> are happy and used to using one, If you are a Mac user why switch? Even
if
>> you are a PC user when it comes time to buy a new computer I think you
>> should
>> buy a Mac. I'm talking to the Comercial studio owners. The beauty of the
>> MAC Pro
>> is that you can run both operating systems on It. Not to mention the
>> elegant
>> design. Try building a Dual-Dualcore system for cheaper than the Mac is
>> now.
>> Remember the Mac Pro's have four proccessers! running at 2.6 ghz! and
>> thats
>> the
>> $2700 one! You could run the new version Of Sonar if you want as well
as
>> DP or
>> Logic. If you think Nuendo runs better under XP,run it under XP. You can
>> run
>> Wavelab on the box and all of these app's with pretty much the same
>> hardware.
>> You can run anything you want on the Mac Pro,except PARIS. Like I said,its
>> a no
>> brainer.
>>
>> respect
>> Nappy
>>
>>
>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>..that I was contemplating switching from Mac to PC so as to take
>>>advantage
>>>of all these potential new developments in the land of Paris. Is there
>> an
>>>optimum PC configuration that anyone can suggest that would run Paris
>>>flawlessly,
>>>would allow me to use UAD-1 cards w/ all the latest FX as well as the
>>>current
>>>Waves stuff (I'm in love w/ the IR-1 at the moment)? And how much would
>>>it cost to build such a machine?
>>>
>>>And then (and I don't expect anyone to have an answer for this one!),
how
>>>long for me to adjust to being a PC person?!?
>>>
>>>Gantt
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| Re: So, let's just say, hypothetically... [message #75106 is a reply to message #75105] |
Sun, 29 October 2006 12:43 |
AlexPlasko
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thats interesting. the emulators sucked. even the orange cards(pc on a
card ) werent that great. this is getting interesting. apple doesnt mention
this on their website.
the line is getting even thinner between platforms.......
"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:45450e99$1@linux...
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> Yes! You need a utility app called "Boot Camp" This is not a emulation,its
> XP.
> Remember the Mac Pro runs Intel Dual Xeon prosessors,
>
> respect
> Nappy
>
> "alex plasko" <alex.plasko@snet.net> wrote:
>>so the mac pro runs windows xp??
>>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:4544e01e$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Gantt,
>>> I'm starting to think that its time to move on to a native solution.
>>> THe new Mac Pro computers are truly amazing and elegant. When
>>> you look at what you get for the price its a no brainer.(thats if you
> are
>>> running
>>> a commercial studio) The only reason imho to build or buy a PC is
>>> because
>>> you
>>> are happy and used to using one, If you are a Mac user why switch? Even
> if
>>> you are a PC user when it comes time to buy a new computer I think you
>
>>> should
>>> buy a Mac. I'm talking to the Comercial studio owners. The beauty of the
>>> MAC Pro
>>> is that you can run both operating systems on It. Not to mention the
>>> elegant
>>> design. Try building a Dual-Dualcore system for cheaper than the Mac is
>
>>> now.
>>> Remember the Mac Pro's have four proccessers! running at 2.6 ghz! and
>
>>> thats
>>> the
>>> $2700 one! You could run the new version Of Sonar if you want as well
> as
>>> DP or
>>> Logic. If you think Nuendo runs better under XP,run it under XP. You can
>>> run
>>> Wavelab on the box and all of these app's with pretty much the same
>>> hardware.
>>> You can run anything you want on the Mac Pro,except PARIS. Like I
>>> said,its
>>> a no
>>> brainer.
>>>
>>> respect
>>> Nappy
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>..that I was contemplating switching from Mac to PC so as to take
>>>>advantage
>>>>of all these potential new developments in the land of Paris. Is there
>>> an
>>>>optimum PC configuration that anyone can suggest that would run Paris
>
>>>>flawlessly,
>>>>would allow me to use UAD-1 cards w/ all the latest FX as well as the
>
>>>>current
>>>>Waves stuff (I'm in love w/ the IR-1 at the moment)? And how much would
>>>>it cost to build such a machine?
>>>>
>>>>And then (and I don't expect anyone to have an answer for this one!),
> how
>>>>long for me to adjust to being a PC person?!?
>>>>
>>>>Gantt
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: So, let's just say, hypothetically... [message #75116 is a reply to message #75105] |
Sun, 29 October 2006 17:52 |
Doug Wellington
Messages: 251
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"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
> Yes! You need a utility app called "Boot Camp" This is not a emulation,
its XP.
Yep, Boot Camp lets you boot directly into Windows, which they suggest if
you're a gamer or someone who wants the maximum possible performance. I've
tried both Boot Camp and Parallels and I settled on Parallels, as I can have
two (well, actually I run XP and RedHat, so three!) different operating systems
running all at the same time. I upgraded to 2 GB of RAM, so it's actually
pretty zippy too...
Stay cool,
Doug
http://www.parisfaqs.com
http://www.parisfaqs.com
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| Re: So, let's just say, hypothetically... [message #75117 is a reply to message #75102] |
Sun, 29 October 2006 18:16 |
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Can Paris make use of all those extra processors running Windows? IN Mac
OS 9 it can't... Am I correct in assuming that paris on a state-of-the-art
Windows system will run better and faster (more tracks and plugins) than
on my 1.25 gHz G4?
Gantt
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Correction, on the Mac Pro it will be quad dual core Xeon Processors not
Core
>2 duo's Yes, that's eight processors!
>
>James
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>And Quad dual cores are coming soon! ( Core 2 Duo) Me thinks January MacWorld,
>>or shortly there after.
>>
>>James
>>
>>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Gantt,
>>>I'm starting to think that its time to move on to a native solution.
>>>THe new Mac Pro computers are truly amazing and elegant. When
>>>you look at what you get for the price its a no brainer.(thats if you
are
>>>running
>>>a commercial studio) The only reason imho to build or buy a PC is because
>>>you
>>>are happy and used to using one, If you are a Mac user why switch? Even
>>if
>>>you are a PC user when it comes time to buy a new computer I think you
>should
>>>buy a Mac. I'm talking to the Comercial studio owners. The beauty of the
>>>MAC Pro
>>>is that you can run both operating systems on It. Not to mention the elegant
>>>design. Try building a Dual-Dualcore system for cheaper than the Mac is
>>now.
>>>Remember the Mac Pro's have four proccessers! running at 2.6 ghz! and
thats
>>>the
>>>$2700 one! You could run the new version Of Sonar if you want as well
as
>>>DP or
>>>Logic. If you think Nuendo runs better under XP,run it under XP. You can
>>>run
>>>Wavelab on the box and all of these app's with pretty much the same hardware.
>>>You can run anything you want on the Mac Pro,except PARIS. Like I said,its
>>>a no
>>>brainer.
>>>
>>>respect
>>>Nappy
>>>
>>>
>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>..that I was contemplating switching from Mac to PC so as to take advantage
>>>>of all these potential new developments in the land of Paris. Is there
>>>an
>>>>optimum PC configuration that anyone can suggest that would run Paris
>flawlessly,
>>>>would allow me to use UAD-1 cards w/ all the latest FX as well as the
>current
>>>>Waves stuff (I'm in love w/ the IR-1 at the moment)? And how much would
>>>>it cost to build such a machine?
>>>>
>>>>And then (and I don't expect anyone to have an answer for this one!),
>how
>>>>long for me to adjust to being a PC person?!?
>>>>
>>>>Gantt
>>>
>>
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: So, let's just say, hypothetically... [message #75120 is a reply to message #75117] |
Sun, 29 October 2006 20:30 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
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HI Gantt,
Paris will only address one processor. New Apple systems do not include
PCI slots for your Paris cards.
If all you are using is {Paris and its effects then you really don't
need a new system. If you are going native on the new machine then dual
or quad cores are the way to go.
Your track count will be more effected my your drive speed and PCI bus
performance. any Paris based effects will not be effected by the new
system. Native effect count will improve but will still only use one
cpu sense that is what Paris is doing.
If you are coming from a 1.24 G$ then any P4 or AMD made in the past 4
years will be an upgrade.
Chris
Gantt Kushner wrote:
>Can Paris make use of all those extra processors running Windows? IN Mac
>OS 9 it can't... Am I correct in assuming that paris on a state-of-the-art
>Windows system will run better and faster (more tracks and plugins) than
>on my 1.25 gHz G4?
>
>Gantt
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>
>>Correction, on the Mac Pro it will be quad dual core Xeon Processors not
>>
>>
>Core
>
>
>>2 duo's Yes, that's eight processors!
>>
>>James
>>
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>And Quad dual cores are coming soon! ( Core 2 Duo) Me thinks January MacWorld,
>>>or shortly there after.
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Gantt,
>>>>I'm starting to think that its time to move on to a native solution.
>>>>THe new Mac Pro computers are truly amazing and elegant. When
>>>>you look at what you get for the price its a no brainer.(thats if you
>>>>
>>>>
>are
>
>
>>>>running
>>>>a commercial studio) The only reason imho to build or buy a PC is because
>>>>you
>>>>are happy and used to using one, If you are a Mac user why switch? Even
>>>>
>>>>
>>>if
>>>
>>>
>>>>you are a PC user when it comes time to buy a new computer I think you
>>>>
>>>>
>>should
>>
>>
>>>>buy a Mac. I'm talking to the Comercial studio owners. The beauty of the
>>>>MAC Pro
>>>>is that you can run both operating systems on It. Not to mention the elegant
>>>>design. Try building a Dual-Dualcore system for cheaper than the Mac is
>>>>
>>>>
>>>now.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Remember the Mac Pro's have four proccessers! running at 2.6 ghz! and
>>>>
>>>>
>thats
>
>
>>>>the
>>>>$2700 one! You could run the new version Of Sonar if you want as well
>>>>
>>>>
>as
>
>
>>>>DP or
>>>>Logic. If you think Nuendo runs better under XP,run it under XP. You can
>>>>run
>>>>Wavelab on the box and all of these app's with pretty much the same hardware.
>>>>You can run anything you want on the Mac Pro,except PARIS. Like I said,its
>>>>a no
>>>>brainer.
>>>>
>>>>respect
>>>>Nappy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>..that I was contemplating switching from Mac to PC so as to take advantage
>>>>>of all these potential new developments in the land of Paris. Is there
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>an
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>optimum PC configuration that anyone can suggest that would run Paris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>flawlessly,
>>
>>
>>>>>would allow me to use UAD-1 cards w/ all the latest FX as well as the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>current
>>
>>
>>>>>Waves stuff (I'm in love w/ the IR-1 at the moment)? And how much would
>>>>>it cost to build such a machine?
>>>>>
>>>>>And then (and I don't expect anyone to have an answer for this one!),
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>how
>>
>>
>>>>>long for me to adjust to being a PC person?!?
>>>>>
>>>>>Gantt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: So, let's just say, hypothetically... [message #75121 is a reply to message #75120] |
Sun, 29 October 2006 20:56 |
animix
Messages: 356
Registered: September 2006
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Senior Member |
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This is the reason I'm thinking about moving to an AMD 64 3500+ for my
Gigabyte GA-K8NS Ultra 939 mobo. It's likely to have more *usable* CPU
cycles than a dual core, unless I wanted to run another native app on the
same machine.....and until chuck gets his wonder app built and I can run
Cubase from within this and ASIO out directly to Paris, then native on the
same rig isn't going to work. What fun it will be though to have 4 x EDS
cards, 4 x UAD-1 cards and a Multiface on the same box (evil grin)
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:45457dcd@linux...
> HI Gantt,
> Paris will only address one processor. New Apple systems do not include
> PCI slots for your Paris cards.
>
> If all you are using is {Paris and its effects then you really don't
> need a new system. If you are going native on the new machine then dual
> or quad cores are the way to go.
> Your track count will be more effected my your drive speed and PCI bus
> performance. any Paris based effects will not be effected by the new
> system. Native effect count will improve but will still only use one
> cpu sense that is what Paris is doing.
> If you are coming from a 1.24 G$ then any P4 or AMD made in the past 4
> years will be an upgrade.
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Gantt Kushner wrote:
>
> >Can Paris make use of all those extra processors running Windows? IN Mac
> >OS 9 it can't... Am I correct in assuming that paris on a
state-of-the-art
> >Windows system will run better and faster (more tracks and plugins) than
> >on my 1.25 gHz G4?
> >
> >Gantt
> >
> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Correction, on the Mac Pro it will be quad dual core Xeon Processors not
> >>
> >>
> >Core
> >
> >
> >>2 duo's Yes, that's eight processors!
> >>
> >>James
> >>
> >>
> >>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>And Quad dual cores are coming soon! ( Core 2 Duo) Me thinks January
MacWorld,
> >>>or shortly there after.
> >>>
> >>>James
> >>>
> >>>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Gantt,
> >>>>I'm starting to think that its time to move on to a native solution.
> >>>>THe new Mac Pro computers are truly amazing and elegant. When
> >>>>you look at what you get for the price its a no brainer.(thats if you
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >are
> >
> >
> >>>>running
> >>>>a commercial studio) The only reason imho to build or buy a PC is
because
> >>>>you
> >>>>are happy and used to using one, If you are a Mac user why switch?
Even
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>if
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>you are a PC user when it comes time to buy a new computer I think you
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>should
> >>
> >>
> >>>>buy a Mac. I'm talking to the Comercial studio owners. The beauty of
the
> >>>>MAC Pro
> >>>>is that you can run both operating systems on It. Not to mention the
elegant
> >>>>design. Try building a Dual-Dualcore system for cheaper than the Mac
is
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>now.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Remember the Mac Pro's have four proccessers! running at 2.6 ghz! and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >thats
> >
> >
> >>>>the
> >>>>$2700 one! You could run the new version Of Sonar if you want as well
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >as
> >
> >
> >>>>DP or
> >>>>Logic. If you think Nuendo runs better under XP,run it under XP. You
can
> >>>>run
> >>>>Wavelab on the box and all of these app's with pretty much the same
hardware.
> >>>>You can run anything you want on the Mac Pro,except PARIS. Like I
said,its
> >>>>a no
> >>>>brainer.
> >>>>
> >>>>respect
> >>>>Nappy
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>..that I was contemplating switching from Mac to PC so as to take
advantage
> >>>>>of all these potential new developments in the land of Paris. Is
there
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>an
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>optimum PC configuration that anyone can suggest that would run Paris
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>flawlessly,
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>would allow me to use UAD-1 cards w/ all the latest FX as well as the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>current
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>Waves stuff (I'm in love w/ the IR-1 at the moment)? And how much
would
> >>>>>it cost to build such a machine?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>And then (and I don't expect anyone to have an answer for this one!),
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>how
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>long for me to adjust to being a PC person?!?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Gantt
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762
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| Re: So, let's just say, hypothetically... [message #75123 is a reply to message #75120] |
Sun, 29 October 2006 22:57 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI Gantt,
>Paris will only address one processor. New Apple systems do not include
>PCI slots for your Paris cards.
>
>If all you are using is {Paris and its effects then you really don't
>need a new system. If you are going native on the new machine then dual
>or quad cores are the way to go.
>Your track count will be more effected my your drive speed and PCI bus
>performance. any Paris based effects will not be effected by the new
>system. Native effect count will improve but will still only use one
>cpu sense that is what Paris is doing.
>If you are coming from a 1.24 G$ then any P4 or AMD made in the past 4
>years will be an upgrade.
>
>
>Chris
>
I definitely disagree with the last statement. The G4 1.25 is equivalent
to a P4 2.8Ghz. The only way to run Paris on a new Mac Pro would be to use
a Magma PCI expansion Chassis, and that is untested waters.
>
>Gantt Kushner wrote:
>
>>Can Paris make use of all those extra processors running Windows? IN Mac
>>OS 9 it can't... Am I correct in assuming that paris on a state-of-the-art
>>Windows system will run better and faster (more tracks and plugins) than
>>on my 1.25 gHz G4?
>>
>>Gantt
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Correction, on the Mac Pro it will be quad dual core Xeon Processors not
>>>
>>>
>>Core
>>
>>
>>>2 duo's Yes, that's eight processors!
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>And Quad dual cores are coming soon! ( Core 2 Duo) Me thinks January
MacWorld,
>>>>or shortly there after.
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Gantt,
>>>>>I'm starting to think that its time to move on to a native solution.
>>>>>THe new Mac Pro computers are truly amazing and elegant. When
>>>>>you look at what you get for the price its a no brainer.(thats if you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>are
>>
>>
>>>>>running
>>>>>a commercial studio) The only reason imho to build or buy a PC is because
>>>>>you
>>>>>are happy and used to using one, If you are a Mac user why switch? Even
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>if
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>you are a PC user when it comes time to buy a new computer I think you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>should
>>>
>>>
>>>>>buy a Mac. I'm talking to the Comercial studio owners. The beauty of
the
>>>>>MAC Pro
>>>>>is that you can run both operating systems on It. Not to mention the
elegant
>>>>>design. Try building a Dual-Dualcore system for cheaper than the Mac
is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Remember the Mac Pro's have four proccessers! running at 2.6 ghz! and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>thats
>>
>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>$2700 one! You could run the new version Of Sonar if you want as well
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>as
>>
>>
>>>>>DP or
>>>>>Logic. If you think Nuendo runs better under XP,run it under XP. You
can
>>>>>run
>>>>>Wavelab on the box and all of these app's with pretty much the same
hardware.
>>>>>You can run anything you want on the Mac Pro,except PARIS. Like I said,its
>>>>>a no
>>>>>brainer.
>>>>>
>>>>>respect
>>>>>Nappy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>..that I was contemplating switching from Mac to PC so as to take advantage
>>>>>>of all these potential new developments in the land of Paris. Is there
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>an
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>optimum PC configuration that anyone can suggest that would run Paris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>flawlessly,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>would allow me to use UAD-1 cards w/ all the latest FX as well as the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>current
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Waves stuff (I'm in love w/ the IR-1 at the moment)? And how much
would
>>>>>>it cost to build such a machine?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And then (and I don't expect anyone to have an answer for this one!),
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>how
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>long for me to adjust to being a PC person?!?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gantt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762
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| Re: So, let's just say, hypothetically... [message #75124 is a reply to message #75106] |
Sun, 29 October 2006 23:02 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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"alex plasko" <alex.plasko@snet.net> wrote:
>thats interesting. the emulators sucked. even the orange cards(pc on a
>card ) werent that great. this is getting interesting. apple doesnt mention
>this on their website.
>the line is getting even thinner between platforms.......
Orange cards, wow that was a long time ago! Like 1995.
>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:45450e99$1@linux...
>>
>> Yes! You need a utility app called "Boot Camp" This is not a emulation,its
>> XP.
>> Remember the Mac Pro runs Intel Dual Xeon prosessors,
>>
>> respect
>> Nappy
>>
>> "alex plasko" <alex.plasko@snet.net> wrote:
>>>so the mac pro runs windows xp??
>>>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:4544e01e$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Gantt,
>>>> I'm starting to think that its time to move on to a native solution.
>>>> THe new Mac Pro computers are truly amazing and elegant. When
>>>> you look at what you get for the price its a no brainer.(thats if you
>> are
>>>> running
>>>> a commercial studio) The only reason imho to build or buy a PC is
>>>> because
>>>> you
>>>> are happy and used to using one, If you are a Mac user why switch? Even
>> if
>>>> you are a PC user when it comes time to buy a new computer I think you
>>
>>>> should
>>>> buy a Mac. I'm talking to the Comercial studio owners. The beauty of
the
>>>> MAC Pro
>>>> is that you can run both operating systems on It. Not to mention the
>>>> elegant
>>>> design. Try building a Dual-Dualcore system for cheaper than the Mac
is
>>
>>>> now.
>>>> Remember the Mac Pro's have four proccessers! running at 2.6 ghz! and
>>
>>>> thats
>>>> the
>>>> $2700 one! You could run the new version Of Sonar if you want as well
>> as
>>>> DP or
>>>> Logic. If you think Nuendo runs better under XP,run it under XP. You
can
>>>> run
>>>> Wavelab on the box and all of these app's with pretty much the same
>>>> hardware.
>>>> You can run anything you want on the Mac Pro,except PARIS. Like I
>>>> said,its
>>>> a no
>>>> brainer.
>>>>
>>>> respect
>>>> Nappy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>..that I was contemplating switching from Mac to PC so as to take
>>>>>advantage
>>>>>of all these potential new developments in the land of Paris. Is there
>>>> an
>>>>>optimum PC configuration that anyone can suggest that would run Paris
>>
>>>>>flawlessly,
>>>>>would allow me to use UAD-1 cards w/ all the latest FX as well as the
>>
>>>>>current
>>>>>Waves stuff (I'm in love w/ the IR-1 at the moment)? And how much would
>>>>>it cost to build such a machine?
>>>>>
>>>>>And then (and I don't expect anyone to have an answer for this one!),
>> how
>>>>>long for me to adjust to being a PC person?!?
>>>>>
>>>>>Gantt
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: So, let's just say, hypothetically... [message #75141 is a reply to message #75120] |
Mon, 30 October 2006 07:50 |
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Hi Chris,
I guess my question(s) is this: If I were running Paris on a really fast
PC would I be able to run more native plugins (Waves, UAD-1, etc.) with
greater stability and, even more importantly for me, would I be able to run
the latest UAD-1 (Neve EQ/comp!) and Waves (IR-1 reverbs, mostly) from inside
Paris?
And also, if you were to build me such a machine, how much would it cost?
Feel free to email me if you dion't feel comfortable discussing this kind
of stuff in the newsgroup...
Thanks,
Gantt
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI Gantt,
>Paris will only address one processor. New Apple systems do not include
>PCI slots for your Paris cards.
>
>If all you are using is {Paris and its effects then you really don't
>need a new system. If you are going native on the new machine then dual
>or quad cores are the way to go.
>Your track count will be more effected my your drive speed and PCI bus
>performance. any Paris based effects will not be effected by the new
>system. Native effect count will improve but will still only use one
>cpu sense that is what Paris is doing.
>If you are coming from a 1.24 G$ then any P4 or AMD made in the past 4
>years will be an upgrade.
>
>
>Chris
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: So, let's just say, hypothetically... [message #75160 is a reply to message #75141] |
Mon, 30 October 2006 11:30 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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Senior Member |
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Hi Gantt,
Gantt Kushner wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> I guess my question(s) is this: If I were running Paris on a really fast
> PC would I be able to run more native plugins (Waves, UAD-1, etc.) with
> greater stability and, even more importantly for me, would I be able to run
> the latest UAD-1 (Neve EQ/comp!) and Waves (IR-1 reverbs, mostly) from inside
> Paris?
Newer machine will be running Paris in XP only.
I have no idea how well Paris runs the newer version of the Waves and
UAD plug ins. You'd have to ask some of the folks experimenting with
that lately. As long as the UAD in communicating properly with the host
software and motherboard then it will use same amount of plug ins on any
machine. Both the Waves and UAD use newer versions of the VST plug in
protocol than what Paris uses so not sure how that will effect things
thing especially on newer plug ins such as the IR-1.
There some current systems that have 3 PCI slots available on both the
Intel and AMD side of things. Most boards only have 2 PCI slots and some
of the next wave of them will only have 1 or none.
The new Intel dual core will allow your to run them in single core mode
with a setting in the BIOs. AMDs you will have to buy a single core
chip. I wouldn't recommend using Paris in a OS running in Multi
processor mode. It will potentially run a little more "stable".
To put all this simply any new machine running PC or even MAC will be an
experiment for you. Even thing on the system was created long after
Paris software and hardware was discontinued.
>
> And also, if you were to build me such a machine, how much would it cost?
>
> Feel free to email me if you don't feel comfortable discussing this kind
> of stuff in the newsgroup...
I would need to know what kind of drive, ram etc. So we can talk
directly via email or phone on configuration and pricing things.
Thanks Chris
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gantt
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>> HI Gantt,
>> Paris will only address one processor. New Apple systems do not include
>
>> PCI slots for your Paris cards.
>>
>> If all you are using is {Paris and its effects then you really don't
>> need a new system. If you are going native on the new machine then dual
>
>> or quad cores are the way to go.
>> Your track count will be more effected my your drive speed and PCI bus
>> performance. any Paris based effects will not be effected by the new
>> system. Native effect count will improve but will still only use one
>> cpu sense that is what Paris is doing.
>> If you are coming from a 1.24 G$ then any P4 or AMD made in the past 4
>> years will be an upgrade.
>>
>>
>> Chris
>
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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