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SOT: 2 Buss Drum Compression [message #79829]

Sat, 10 February 2007 06:37

Don Nafe

Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005

Senior Member

Hi All

When setting up a 2 track buss for slamming drums (to mix with the original
tracks) how do YOU go about it.

For Example

1) Do you use the whole drum kit (EQ'd) or just selected drum tracks - and
if you use the whole kit do you set up a separate mix for the compressors
(i.e. levels) and how would that mix differ from the regular drum mix
(generally speaking)

2) If you require EQ on this mix buss to the Compressors - do you do it pre
or post the compressors.

3) How do you deal with phasing issue

4) What settings on the compressor do you use i.e. attack, release comp
ratio etc...or do you have a general guideline you follow

5) Lastly what are you looking to hear with this blend of tracks

inquiring minds want to know

DOn

ps. Sorry if I got some of the terminology wrong?

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Re: 2 Buss Drum Compression [message #79833 is a reply to message #79829]

Sat, 10 February 2007 07:41

brandon[2]

Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006

Senior Member

I think it depends on the sound your looking for , but I have been just
compressing the snare and kik
lately.

--
Thanks,

Brandon

"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:45cdd909@linux...
> Hi All
>
> When setting up a 2 track buss for slamming drums (to mix with the
> original tracks) how do YOU go about it.
>
> For Example
>
> 1) Do you use the whole drum kit (EQ'd) or just selected drum tracks - and
> if you use the whole kit do you set up a separate mix for the compressors
> (i.e. levels) and how would that mix differ from the regular drum mix
> (generally speaking)
>
> 2) If you require EQ on this mix buss to the Compressors - do you do it
> pre or post the compressors.
>
> 3) How do you deal with phasing issue
>
> 4) What settings on the compressor do you use i.e. attack, release comp
> ratio etc...or do you have a general guideline you follow
>
> 5) Lastly what are you looking to hear with this blend of tracks
>
>
> inquiring minds want to know
>
> DOn
>
> ps. Sorry if I got some of the terminology wrong?
>

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Re: 2 Buss Drum Compression [message #79835 is a reply to message #79829]

Sat, 10 February 2007 08:16

Aaron Allen

Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008

Senior Member

I think it depends greatly on the drummer and the drums. For instance,
Yamaha notoriously IMO has a much more controlled sound/attack, whereas many
of the Pearl kits I've recorded are pretty wild on attack. DW's record
nicely generally, even the cheaper ones.
Drummers... well, that's self explanatory I think.

If a part of the kit is wild, it's gonna get a compressor and/or limiter
strapped to it. Thing to watch is keeping the phase aligned for all mics. If
I have time, I'd prefer to automate each and every drum track over using a
comp/limit, but many times a client wouldn't have that kind of cash so the
fix is comp/limit.

AA

"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:45cdd909@linux...
> Hi All
>
> When setting up a 2 track buss for slamming drums (to mix with the
> original tracks) how do YOU go about it.
>
> For Example
>
> 1) Do you use the whole drum kit (EQ'd) or just selected drum tracks - and
> if you use the whole kit do you set up a separate mix for the compressors
> (i.e. levels) and how would that mix differ from the regular drum mix
> (generally speaking)
>
> 2) If you require EQ on this mix buss to the Compressors - do you do it
> pre or post the compressors.
>
> 3) How do you deal with phasing issue
>
> 4) What settings on the compressor do you use i.e. attack, release comp
> ratio etc...or do you have a general guideline you follow
>
> 5) Lastly what are you looking to hear with this blend of tracks
>
>
> inquiring minds want to know
>
> DOn
>
> ps. Sorry if I got some of the terminology wrong?
>

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Re: 2 Buss Drum Compression [message #79836 is a reply to message #79829]

Sat, 10 February 2007 08:48

Don Nafe

Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005

Senior Member

I should have added using the parallel compression technique...after the
fact during mixdown

With that in mind how would you anser the questions

I realise there are so many possibilities when using this technique but I
was wondering what your "go to" set ups are.

Thanks

DOn

"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:45cdd909@linux...
> Hi All
>
> When setting up a 2 track buss for slamming drums (to mix with the
> original tracks) how do YOU go about it.
>
> For Example
>
> 1) Do you use the whole drum kit (EQ'd) or just selected drum tracks - and
> if you use the whole kit do you set up a separate mix for the compressors
> (i.e. levels) and how would that mix differ from the regular drum mix
> (generally speaking)
>
> 2) If you require EQ on this mix buss to the Compressors - do you do it
> pre or post the compressors.
>
> 3) How do you deal with phasing issue
>
> 4) What settings on the compressor do you use i.e. attack, release comp
> ratio etc...or do you have a general guideline you follow
>
> 5) Lastly what are you looking to hear with this blend of tracks
>
>
> inquiring minds want to know
>
> DOn
>
> ps. Sorry if I got some of the terminology wrong?
>

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Re: SOT: 2 Buss Drum Compression [message #79858 is a reply to message #79829]

Sat, 10 February 2007 17:14

gene lennon
Messages: 565
Registered: July 2006

Senior Member

Doing this live in real time has some advantages, but this method will work.

Do a drum only mixdown to two tracks.
Bring the mix in on two additional channels.
Compress it VERY heavy and bring a small amount up behind your main drum
tracks.
You may need to shift this stereo track earlier to get the phase right. The
amount of shift will be determined by what plugin you use for the compression.
EQ on the compressed tracks is common�whatever works. Start with a little
high end boost post compressor. Personally I like less of the cymbals in
the compressed mix and I generally use just a hint of the smashed track.

1176 in all button mode, Vintage Warmer, Compadre Beatpuncher all work well
as will others. Settings vary. Start with a medium attack (10ms) a medium
release (200ms) and a heavy ratio deep into the threshold.
I�m looking to get an increase in energy and a melding of the sounds without
sacrificing too much clarity.

Dimitrios has a method that works for doing this real time in Paris. You
may want to search for his routing techniques. I typically do this by routing
out to a second computer in real time. The only major advantage of real time
is that you can adjust the individual send levels of your compressed drum
mix as you work your overall mix.
Gene
P.S.
If you just want to add a little compressed energy to a drum mix rather than
go with the "New York" smashed / parallel compressed sound, I would try Nebula2
free with the Boeing 747 settings. Nice!

"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>Hi All
>
>When setting up a 2 track buss for slamming drums (to mix with the original

>tracks) how do YOU go about it.
>
>For Example
>
>1) Do you use the whole drum kit (EQ'd) or just selected drum tracks - and

>if you use the whole kit do you set up a separate mix for the compressors

>(i.e. levels) and how would that mix differ from the regular drum mix
>(generally speaking)
>
>2) If you require EQ on this mix buss to the Compressors - do you do it
pre
>or post the compressors.
>
>3) How do you deal with phasing issue
>
>4) What settings on the compressor do you use i.e. attack, release comp

>ratio etc...or do you have a general guideline you follow
>
>5) Lastly what are you looking to hear with this blend of tracks
>
>
>inquiring minds want to know
>
>DOn
>
>ps. Sorry if I got some of the terminology wrong?
>
>

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Re: SOT: 2 Buss Drum Compression [message #79862 is a reply to message #79858]

Sat, 10 February 2007 17:34

Don Nafe

Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005

Senior Member

This method is a staple in my mixing tricks but I have a four track drum kit
that's a little light on aggressiveness and I'm finding the balancing act in
creating the comp'd track and blending it in with the originals a bit more
difficult than normal. It seems that the blending of the comp'd tracks and
the originals are yeilding phase anolomolies that are proving to be a bitch
to tame.

Hence my questions

Don

"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:45ce5fff$1@linux...
>
> Doing this live in real time has some advantages, but this method will
> work.
>
> Do a drum only mixdown to two tracks.
> Bring the mix in on two additional channels.
> Compress it VERY heavy and bring a small amount up behind your main drum
> tracks.
> You may need to shift this stereo track earlier to get the phase right.
> The
> amount of shift will be determined by what plugin you use for the
> compression.
> EQ on the compressed tracks is common.whatever works. Start with a little
> high end boost post compressor. Personally I like less of the cymbals in
> the compressed mix and I generally use just a hint of the smashed track.
>
> 1176 in all button mode, Vintage Warmer, Compadre Beatpuncher all work
> well
> as will others. Settings vary. Start with a medium attack (10ms) a medium
> release (200ms) and a heavy ratio deep into the threshold.
> I'm looking to get an increase in energy and a melding of the sounds
> without
> sacrificing too much clarity.
>
> Dimitrios has a method that works for doing this real time in Paris. You
> may want to search for his routing techniques. I typically do this by
> routing
> out to a second computer in real time. The only major advantage of real
> time
> is that you can adjust the individual send levels of your compressed drum
> mix as you work your overall mix.
> Gene
> P.S.
> If you just want to add a little compressed energy to a drum mix rather
> than
> go with the "New York" smashed / parallel compressed sound, I would try
> Nebula2
> free with the Boeing 747 settings. Nice!
>
>
>
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>Hi All
>>
>>When setting up a 2 track buss for slamming drums (to mix with the
>>original
>
>>tracks) how do YOU go about it.
>>
>>For Example
>>
>>1) Do you use the whole drum kit (EQ'd) or just selected drum tracks - and
>
>>if you use the whole kit do you set up a separate mix for the compressors
>
>>(i.e. levels) and how would that mix differ from the regular drum mix
>>(generally speaking)
>>
>>2) If you require EQ on this mix buss to the Compressors - do you do it
> pre
>>or post the compressors.
>>
>>3) How do you deal with phasing issue
>>
>>4) What settings on the compressor do you use i.e. attack, release comp
>
>>ratio etc...or do you have a general guideline you follow
>>
>>5) Lastly what are you looking to hear with this blend of tracks
>>
>>
>>inquiring minds want to know
>>
>>DOn
>>
>>ps. Sorry if I got some of the terminology wrong?
>>
>>
>

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Re: SOT: 2 Buss Drum Compression [message #79870 is a reply to message #79858]

Sat, 10 February 2007 19:05

duncan

Messages: 123
Registered: November 2006

Senior Member

You sir are a fountain of useful information of late. If I live long
enough I may find time to try out half the things you've suggested
just since the first of the year...

MVP(oster)? -- My vote is for Mr. Gene.

-- thanks -- chas

On 11 Feb 2007 11:14:55 +1000, "Gene Lennon"
<glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:

>
>Doing this live in real time has some advantages, but this method will work.
>
>Do a drum only mixdown to two tracks.
>Bring the mix in on two additional channels.
>Compress it VERY heavy and bring a small amount up behind your main drum
>tracks.
>You may need to shift this stereo track earlier to get the phase right. The
>amount of shift will be determined by what plugin you use for the compression.
>EQ on the compressed tracks is common�whatever works. Start with a little
>high end boost post compressor. Personally I like less of the cymbals in
>the compressed mix and I generally use just a hint of the smashed track.
>
>1176 in all button mode, Vintage Warmer, Compadre Beatpuncher all work well
>as will others. Settings vary. Start with a medium attack (10ms) a medium
>release (200ms) and a heavy ratio deep into the threshold.
>I�m looking to get an increase in energy and a melding of the sounds without
>sacrificing too much clarity.
>
>Dimitrios has a method that works for doing this real time in Paris. You
>may want to search for his routing techniques. I typically do this by routing
>out to a second computer in real time. The only major advantage of real time
>is that you can adjust the individual send levels of your compressed drum
>mix as you work your overall mix.
>Gene
>P.S.
>If you just want to add a little compressed energy to a drum mix rather than
>go with the "New York" smashed / parallel compressed sound, I would try Nebula2
>free with the Boeing 747 settings. Nice!
>
>
>
>
>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>Hi All
>>
>>When setting up a 2 track buss for slamming drums (to mix with the original
>
>>tracks) how do YOU go about it.
>>
>>For Example
>>
>>1) Do you use the whole drum kit (EQ'd) or just selected drum tracks - and
>
>>if you use the whole kit do you set up a separate mix for the compressors
>
>>(i.e. levels) and how would that mix differ from the regular drum mix
>>(generally speaking)
>>
>>2) If you require EQ on this mix buss to the Compressors - do you do it
>pre
>>or post the compressors.
>>
>>3) How do you deal with phasing issue
>>
>>4) What settings on the compressor do you use i.e. attack, release comp
>
>>ratio etc...or do you have a general guideline you follow
>>
>>5) Lastly what are you looking to hear with this blend of tracks
>>
>>
>>inquiring minds want to know
>>
>>DOn
>>
>>ps. Sorry if I got some of the terminology wrong?
>>
>>

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Re: SOT: 2 Buss Drum Compression [message #79876 is a reply to message #79870]

Sun, 11 February 2007 03:42

Dimitrios

Messages: 1056
Registered: August 2005

Senior Member

Hey guys,
I have posted before this technique with Paris eds compressor...
Here how it goes.
You open on your submixe's aux1 a stereo compressor and leaving threshold
to 0 you use this just for dry signal.
On aux 2 you put another stereo eds compressor and you use this for heavy
comprwession.
Now you select pre post on both Aux1 and Aux2 on all drum tracks and MUTE
all drumtracks and then:
1) You control your dry drum levels from aux1 and
2) your wet (heavily compressed) drumtracks from aux 2.
No phase problems here as long as you use the same lookahead for both instances
of eds compressor.
Have a nice day.
Regards,
Dimitrios

Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>You sir are a fountain of useful information of late. If I live long
>enough I may find time to try out half the things you've suggested
>just since the first of the year...
>
>MVP(oster)? -- My vote is for Mr. Gene.
>
>-- thanks -- chas
>
>On 11 Feb 2007 11:14:55 +1000, "Gene Lennon"
><glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Doing this live in real time has some advantages, but this method will
work.
>>
>>Do a drum only mixdown to two tracks.
>>Bring the mix in on two additional channels.
>>Compress it VERY heavy and bring a small amount up behind your main drum
>>tracks.
>>You may need to shift this stereo track earlier to get the phase right.
The
>>amount of shift will be determined by what plugin you use for the compression.
>>EQ on the compressed tracks is common�whatever works. Start with a little
>>high end boost post compressor. Personally I like less of the cymbals
in
>>the compressed mix and I generally use just a hint of the smashed track.
>>
>>1176 in all button mode, Vintage Warmer, Compadre Beatpuncher all work
well
>>as will others. Settings vary. Start with a medium attack (10ms) a medium
>>release (200ms) and a heavy ratio deep into the threshold.
>>I�m looking to get an increase in energy and a melding of the sounds without
>>sacrificing too much clarity.
>>
>>Dimitrios has a method that works for doing this real time in Paris. You
>>may want to search for his routing techniques. I typically do this by routing
>>out to a second computer in real time. The only major advantage of real
time
>>is that you can adjust the individual send levels of your compressed drum
>>mix as you work your overall mix.
>>Gene
>>P.S.
>>If you just want to add a little compressed energy to a drum mix rather
than
>>go with the "New York" smashed / parallel compressed sound, I would try
Nebula2
>>free with the Boeing 747 settings. Nice!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>Hi All
>>>
>>>When setting up a 2 track buss for slamming drums (to mix with the original
>>
>>>tracks) how do YOU go about it.
>>>
>>>For Example
>>>
>>>1) Do you use the whole drum kit (EQ'd) or just selected drum tracks -
and
>>
>>>if you use the whole kit do you set up a separate mix for the compressors
>>
>>>(i.e. levels) and how would that mix differ from the regular drum mix

>>>(generally speaking)
>>>
>>>2) If you require EQ on this mix buss to the Compressors - do you do it
>>pre
>>>or post the compressors.
>>>
>>>3) How do you deal with phasing issue
>>>
>>>4) What settings on the compressor do you use i.e. attack, release comp
>>
>>>ratio etc...or do you have a general guideline you follow
>>>
>>>5) Lastly what are you looking to hear with this blend of tracks
>>>
>>>
>>>inquiring minds want to know
>>>
>>>DOn
>>>
>>>ps. Sorry if I got some of the terminology wrong?
>>>
>>>
>

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Re: SOT: 2 Buss Drum Compression [message #79877 is a reply to message #79876]

Sun, 11 February 2007 04:35

Don Nafe

Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005

Senior Member

Thanks Dimitrios

I'd forgot about that technique

DOn

"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:45cef316$1@linux...
>
> Hey guys,
> I have posted before this technique with Paris eds compressor...
> Here how it goes.
> You open on your submixe's aux1 a stereo compressor and leaving threshold
> to 0 you use this just for dry signal.
> On aux 2 you put another stereo eds compressor and you use this for heavy
> comprwession.
> Now you select pre post on both Aux1 and Aux2 on all drum tracks and MUTE
> all drumtracks and then:
> 1) You control your dry drum levels from aux1 and
> 2) your wet (heavily compressed) drumtracks from aux 2.
> No phase problems here as long as you use the same lookahead for both
> instances
> of eds compressor.
> Have a nice day.
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>>You sir are a fountain of useful information of late. If I live long
>>enough I may find time to try out half the things you've suggested
>>just since the first of the year...
>>
>>MVP(oster)? -- My vote is for Mr. Gene.
>>
>>-- thanks -- chas
>>
>>On 11 Feb 2007 11:14:55 +1000, "Gene Lennon"
>><glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Doing this live in real time has some advantages, but this method will
> work.
>>>
>>>Do a drum only mixdown to two tracks.
>>>Bring the mix in on two additional channels.
>>>Compress it VERY heavy and bring a small amount up behind your main drum
>>>tracks.
>>>You may need to shift this stereo track earlier to get the phase right.
> The
>>>amount of shift will be determined by what plugin you use for the
>>>compression.
>>>EQ on the compressed tracks is common.whatever works. Start with a little
>>>high end boost post compressor. Personally I like less of the cymbals
> in
>>>the compressed mix and I generally use just a hint of the smashed track.
>>>
>>>1176 in all button mode, Vintage Warmer, Compadre Beatpuncher all work
> well
>>>as will others. Settings vary. Start with a medium attack (10ms) a medium
>>>release (200ms) and a heavy ratio deep into the threshold.
>>>I'm looking to get an increase in energy and a melding of the sounds
>>>without
>>>sacrificing too much clarity.
>>>
>>>Dimitrios has a method that works for doing this real time in Paris. You
>>>may want to search for his routing techniques. I typically do this by
>>>routing
>>>out to a second computer in real time. The only major advantage of real
> time
>>>is that you can adjust the individual send levels of your compressed drum
>>>mix as you work your overall mix.
>>>Gene
>>>P.S.
>>>If you just want to add a little compressed energy to a drum mix rather
> than
>>>go with the "New York" smashed / parallel compressed sound, I would try
> Nebula2
>>>free with the Boeing 747 settings. Nice!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>Hi All
>>>>
>>>>When setting up a 2 track buss for slamming drums (to mix with the
>>>>original
>>>
>>>>tracks) how do YOU go about it.
>>>>
>>>>For Example
>>>>
>>>>1) Do you use the whole drum kit (EQ'd) or just selected drum tracks -
> and
>>>
>>>>if you use the whole kit do you set up a separate mix for the
>>>>compressors
>>>
>>>>(i.e. levels) and how would that mix differ from the regular drum mix
>
>>>>(generally speaking)
>>>>
>>>>2) If you require EQ on this mix buss to the Compressors - do you do it
>>>pre
>>>>or post the compressors.
>>>>
>>>>3) How do you deal with phasing issue
>>>>
>>>>4) What settings on the compressor do you use i.e. attack, release comp
>>>
>>>>ratio etc...or do you have a general guideline you follow
>>>>
>>>>5) Lastly what are you looking to hear with this blend of tracks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>inquiring minds want to know
>>>>
>>>>DOn
>>>>
>>>>ps. Sorry if I got some of the terminology wrong?
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>

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Re: SOT: 2 Buss Drum Compression [message #79916 is a reply to message #79877]

Mon, 12 February 2007 00:23

Tom Bruhl

Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007

Senior Member

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Don,
That is easy and quite usable for simpler drum mixes but there's no =
automation=20
available if your sends are prefader. I know that's true for gain and =
panning not=20
sure about muting though.?.

Good stuff just the same.
Tom

"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:45cf0e00@linux...
Thanks Dimitrios

I'd forgot about that technique

DOn

"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =
news:45cef316$1@linux...
>
> Hey guys,
> I have posted before this technique with Paris eds compressor...
> Here how it goes.
> You open on your submixe's aux1 a stereo compressor and leaving =
threshold
> to 0 you use this just for dry signal.
> On aux 2 you put another stereo eds compressor and you use this for =
heavy
> comprwession.
> Now you select pre post on both Aux1 and Aux2 on all drum tracks and =
MUTE
> all drumtracks and then:
> 1) You control your dry drum levels from aux1 and
> 2) your wet (heavily compressed) drumtracks from aux 2.
> No phase problems here as long as you use the same lookahead for =
both=20
> instances
> of eds compressor.
> Have a nice day.
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>>You sir are a fountain of useful information of late. If I live =
long
>>enough I may find time to try out half the things you've suggested
>>just since the first of the year...
>>
>>MVP(oster)? -- My vote is for Mr. Gene.
>>
>>-- thanks -- chas
>>
>>On 11 Feb 2007 11:14:55 +1000, "Gene Lennon"
>><glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Doing this live in real time has some advantages, but this method =
will
> work.
>>>
>>>Do a drum only mixdown to two tracks.
>>>Bring the mix in on two additional channels.
>>>Compress it VERY heavy and bring a small amount up behind your main =
drum
>>>tracks.
>>>You may need to shift this stereo track earlier to get the phase =
right.
> The
>>>amount of shift will be determined by what plugin you use for the=20
>>>compression.
>>>EQ on the compressed tracks is common.whatever works. Start with a =
little
>>>high end boost post compressor. Personally I like less of the =
cymbals
> in
>>>the compressed mix and I generally use just a hint of the smashed =
track.
>>>
>>>1176 in all button mode, Vintage Warmer, Compadre Beatpuncher all =
work
> well
>>>as will others. Settings vary. Start with a medium attack (10ms) a =
medium
>>>release (200ms) and a heavy ratio deep into the threshold.
>>>I'm looking to get an increase in energy and a melding of the =
sounds=20
>>>without
>>>sacrificing too much clarity.
>>>
>>>Dimitrios has a method that works for doing this real time in =
Paris. You
>>>may want to search for his routing techniques. I typically do this =
by=20
>>>routing
>>>out to a second computer in real time. The only major advantage of =
real
> time
>>>is that you can adjust the individual send levels of your =
compressed drum
>>>mix as you work your overall mix.
>>>Gene
>>>P.S.
>>>If you just want to add a little compressed energy to a drum mix =
rather
> than
>>>go with the "New York" smashed / parallel compressed sound, I would =
try
> Nebula2
>>>free with the Boeing 747 settings. Nice!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>Hi All
>>>>
>>>>When setting up a 2 track buss for slamming drums (to mix with the =

>>>>original
>>>
>>>>tracks) how do YOU go about it.
>>>>
>>>>For Example
>>>>
>>>>1) Do you use the whole drum kit (EQ'd) or just selected drum =
tracks -
> and
>>>
>>>>if you use the whole kit do you set up a separate mix for the=20
>>>>compressors
>>>
>>>>(i.e. levels) and how would that mix differ from the regular drum =
mix
>
>>>>(generally speaking)
>>>>
>>>>2) If you require EQ on this mix buss to the Compressors - do you =
do it
>>>pre
>>>>or post the compressors.
>>>>
>>>>3) How do you deal with phasing issue
>>>>
>>>>4) What settings on the compressor do you use i.e. attack, release =
comp
>>>
>>>>ratio etc...or do you have a general guideline you follow
>>>>
>>>>5) Lastly what are you looking to hear with this blend of tracks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>inquiring minds want to know
>>>>
>>>>DOn
>>>>
>>>>ps. Sorry if I got some of the terminology wrong?
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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=
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this just=20
for dry signal. > On aux 2 you put another stereo eds compressor =
and you=20
use this for heavy > comprwession. > Now you select pre =
post on=20
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and=20
then: > 1) You control your dry drum levels from aux1 =
and > 2)=20
your wet (heavily compressed) drumtracks from aux 2. > No phase =
problems=20
here as long as you use the same lookahead for both > =
instances >=20
of eds compressor. > Have a nice day. > Regards, >=20
Dimitrios > > Chas. Duncan =
<duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@>=20
wrote: >>You sir are a fountain of useful information of =
late. =20
If I live long >>enough I may find time to try out half the =
things=20
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Gene. >> >>-- thanks -- =
chas >> >>On 11=20
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real time=20
has some advantages, but this method will >=20
work. >>> >>>Do a drum only mixdown to two=20
tracks. >>>Bring the mix in on two additional=20
channels. >>>Compress it VERY heavy and bring a small =
amount up=20
behind your main drum >>>tracks. >>>You may =
need to=20
shift this stereo track earlier to get the phase right. >=20
The >>>amount of shift will be determined by what plugin =
you use=20
for the >>>compression. >>>EQ on the =
compressed=20
tracks is common.whatever works. Start with a =
little >>>high=20
end  boost post compressor.  Personally I like less of the=20
cymbals > in >>>the compressed mix and I generally =
use just=20
a hint of the smashed track. >>> >>>1176 in =
all button=20
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well >>>as will others. Settings vary. Start with a medium =
attack=20
(10ms) a medium >>>release (200ms) and a heavy ratio deep =
into the=20
threshold. >>>I'm looking to get an increase in energy and =
a=20
melding of the sounds =
 >>>without >>>sacrificing too=20
much clarity. >>> >>>Dimitrios has a method =
that works=20
for doing this real time in Paris. You >>>may want to =
search for=20
his routing techniques. I typically do this by=20
 >>>routing >>>out to a second computer in =
real time.=20
The only major advantage of real > time >>>is that =
you can=20
adjust the individual send levels of your compressed =
drum >>>mix=20
as you work your overall=20
mix. >>>Gene >>>P.S. >>>If you =
just want=20
to add a little compressed energy to a drum mix rather >=20
than >>>go with the "New York" smashed / parallel =
compressed=20
sound, I would try > Nebula2 >>>free with the Boeing =
747=20
settings.=20
=
Nice! >>> >>> >>> >>> =
>>>"Don=20
Nafe" <<A href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
wrote: >>>>Hi =
All >>>> >>>>When=20
setting up a 2 track buss for slamming drums (to mix with the=20
=
 >>>>original >>> >>>>tracks) =
how do=20
YOU go about it. >>>> >>>>For=20
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drum=20
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set up=20
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=
 >>>>compressors >>> >>>>(i.e. =

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Re: SOT: 2 Buss Drum Compression [message #79933 is a reply to message #79858]

Mon, 12 February 2007 09:34

TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007

Senior Member

Gene's explanation is excellent and the 'standard' way to do this, but just
FYI I've been doing the same thing with a stereo room pair lately with excellent
results. It was mostly and accident as the room pair was an afterthought
to the drum tracking process, but they came in very handy as the smashed
sound behind the main mix. I think it sounds a little heavier, more Zeppelin-ish,
with the smashed room mics instead of a copy of the main mix smashed up.

Also, I'm not a huge fan of this 'trick' in general, but I have some minimalist
tendencies to begin with.

TCB

"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>Doing this live in real time has some advantages, but this method will work.
>
>Do a drum only mixdown to two tracks.
>Bring the mix in on two additional channels.
>Compress it VERY heavy and bring a small amount up behind your main drum
>tracks.
>You may need to shift this stereo track earlier to get the phase right.
The
>amount of shift will be determined by what plugin you use for the compression.
>EQ on the compressed tracks is common�whatever works. Start with a little
>high end boost post compressor. Personally I like less of the cymbals
in
>the compressed mix and I generally use just a hint of the smashed track.
>
>1176 in all button mode, Vintage Warmer, Compadre Beatpuncher all work well
>as will others. Settings vary. Start with a medium attack (10ms) a medium
>release (200ms) and a heavy ratio deep into the threshold.
>I�m looking to get an increase in energy and a melding of the sounds without
>sacrificing too much clarity.
>
>Dimitrios has a method that works for doing this real time in Paris. You
>may want to search for his routing techniques. I typically do this by routing
>out to a second computer in real time. The only major advantage of real
time
>is that you can adjust the individual send levels of your compressed drum
>mix as you work your overall mix.
>Gene
>P.S.
>If you just want to add a little compressed energy to a drum mix rather
than
>go with the "New York" smashed / parallel compressed sound, I would try
Nebula2
>free with the Boeing 747 settings. Nice!
>
>
>
>
>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>Hi All
>>
>>When setting up a 2 track buss for slamming drums (to mix with the original
>
>>tracks) how do YOU go about it.
>>
>>For Example
>>
>>1) Do you use the whole drum kit (EQ'd) or just selected drum tracks -
and
>
>>if you use the whole kit do you set up a separate mix for the compressors
>
>>(i.e. levels) and how would that mix differ from the regular drum mix

>>(generally speaking)
>>
>>2) If you require EQ on this mix buss to the Compressors - do you do it
>pre
>>or post the compressors.
>>
>>3) How do you deal with phasing issue
>>
>>4) What settings on the compressor do you use i.e. attack, release comp
>
>>ratio etc...or do you have a general guideline you follow
>>
>>5) Lastly what are you looking to hear with this blend of tracks
>>
>>
>>inquiring minds want to know
>>
>>DOn
>>
>>ps. Sorry if I got some of the terminology wrong?
>>
>>
>

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