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| Re: Check the FS group again [message #79138 is a reply to message #79129] |
Sun, 28 January 2007 20:14   |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
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Say it isn't so Deej, say it isn't so!!!!! Ok then, I'm going to PRO TOOLS!
I'll make you a deal. You send me all your Paris stuff, and I'll send it
back to you when you miss it; ) I'll take good care of it, really I will!
While it's still fresh in your mind, you should write a Paris tips and tricks
book for the rest of us paris users. All that great knowledge will seep
out of your head like sands through an hour glass.
In the words of Bill Murray, "you can't leave, all the plants are gonna die!"
Sad, just sad.
James
The new address for the Paris News Group, www.thiswastheparisng.com : (
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Moving to MADI-Everything must go
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| Re: Check the FS group again [message #79140 is a reply to message #79139] |
Sun, 28 January 2007 20:14 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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Thanks Chris,
I've been crunching the I/O port numbers here. I was coming up short on I/O
with the MADI so I am reconsidering the MADI . When I think in terms of
these systems, I think of the number of I/O ports since I interface a lot of
digital gear. My current HDSP rig (2 x 9652's and a Multiface PI) totals 7 x
optical I/O ports and 3 stereo coax ports, all usable separately.
The MADI rig with the ADAT bridge would then give me 8 optical ports (either
ADAT or spdif optical......right?) on the MADI bridge plus another spdif
optical port on the card for a total of nine that I could interface with
outboard devices and use simultaneously.........correct, or no?
Now, if I added my Multiface to this setup, I would be compromising the
single PCI card scenario (which appeals to me) for another ADAT port, plus
another stereo coax port. This would give me a total of 10 - equal to what I
would have with the 3 xHDSP cards I currently use (or 11 if the one on the
plate of the MADi card can be used simultaneously), but a net gain of yet
another open port because I wouldn't be sacrificing an ADAT port on the
MADI bridge for an external A/D converter.
I was wanting to be using as few PCI cards as possible with my setup and
three HDSP's along with 4 x Magmas seems like I'm pushing the ragged edge as
far as PCI bandwidth goes, but right now, with the GA-K7N8s mobo, it's
working. I'm wondering right now, since my performance is good, what the
realadvantage would be to going MADI if I have to have the Multiface to
achieve the I/O ports I need.
Given that a system is running properly with either card, does the MADI
system achieve better performance/latency than an HDSP card if used solo?
If so, do you think that adding a Muliface to the MADI system for the extra
I/O would degrade the performance of the MADI. I'm looking down the road at
trying to get 64 bit compatible and I know it's going to take at least 1 x
64 bit Magma for my RME cards (unless something else comes along) so the
fewer PCI cards I have to configure, the better.
Thanks,
Deej
Deej
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:45bd6933@linux...
> HI DJ,
> Just so you know with the current beta driver your using you can use any
> of the HDSP cards in conjunction with the MADI card. Cheap way to add AES
> I/O.
>
> Also to answer your question on the RME the Optical MADI output is always
> active and duplicates the outputs and visa versa. These are MADI optical
> not ADAT I/O in case your thought that.
>
> Oh and the new series of AD/DA converters from RME will have the option to
> use MADI as well as ADAT and AES connection in groups of 8. When using the
> MADI option on the converters you just daisy chain them till you fill the
> cards I/O. So up to 8 converters @ 48k and 4 @ 96k. They are supposedly
> adding 192k support for the card sometime soon. I believe it will be just
> a firm ware update.
>
> Here are to 2 upcoming MADI AD/DA.
> http://synthax.com/press.html#micstasy
>
> http://synthax.com/press.html#adi8qs
>
>
> Oh and the MADI info center
>
> http://synthax.com/brands/rme/MADI.html
>
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
> DJ wrote:
>
>>Don't worry...this is a better place to learn about Cubase than the Cubase
>>forum
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:45bd283c$1@linux...
>>
>>>Congrats Deej, though I'm a little surprised you're ditching the
>>>Creamware
>>>stuff as well. That portico thingy must sound great. I'd take a Pulsar
>>>off
>>>of you but I'm starved for PCI slots and would need a 14 DSP card to make
>>>it worthwhile.
>>>
>>>Hope you'll still be hanging around a bit,
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Moving to MADI-Everything must go
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762
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| Re: Check the FS group again [message #79142 is a reply to message #79140] |
Sun, 28 January 2007 22:28 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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Chris,
I didn't mean a MADI Bridge. I'm talking about the ADI 648 MADI>ADAT
converter.
Also, I can get around the port limitations with an ADI4 DD. I am planning
on adding 2 x ADI 8DD interfaces anyway to up/downsample my outboard
gear.for use at higher sample rates so with my POD Pro, Mytek Stereo AD/DA
converters and DAC-1 (all of which operate at up to 96k) on my AD4-DD and my
outboard gear on a pair of ADI8-DD's, I will have more than enough
additional optical ports to handle everything else and can operate all audio
I/O routing through a single PCI card. It's more flexible than using the 3 x
HDSP cards and when the price of 2 x 64 bit Magma's (ne for the HDSP cards,
the other for the RME cards) vs one (for just the RME cards), or even the
possibility of needing none (if a new FW, etc. model comes out) or if I can
configure all of my UAD-1 cards and the MADI PCI in the 5 PCI slots of my
mobo without IRQ wars, the numbers start looking a lot more attractive.
Deej
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45bd74e2$1@linux...
> Thanks Chris,
>
> I've been crunching the I/O port numbers here. I was coming up short on
> I/O with the MADI so I am reconsidering the MADI . When I think in terms
> of these systems, I think of the number of I/O ports since I interface a
> lot of digital gear. My current HDSP rig (2 x 9652's and a Multiface PI)
> totals 7 x optical I/O ports and 3 stereo coax ports, all usable
> separately.
>
> The MADI rig with the ADAT bridge would then give me 8 optical ports
> (either ADAT or spdif optical......right?) on the MADI bridge plus another
> spdif optical port on the card for a total of nine that I could interface
> with outboard devices and use simultaneously.........correct, or no?
>
> Now, if I added my Multiface to this setup, I would be compromising the
> single PCI card scenario (which appeals to me) for another ADAT port, plus
> another stereo coax port. This would give me a total of 10 - equal to what
> I would have with the 3 xHDSP cards I currently use (or 11 if the one on
> the plate of the MADi card can be used simultaneously), but a net gain of
> yet another open port because I wouldn't be sacrificing an ADAT port on
> the MADI bridge for an external A/D converter.
>
> I was wanting to be using as few PCI cards as possible with my setup and
> three HDSP's along with 4 x Magmas seems like I'm pushing the ragged edge
> as far as PCI bandwidth goes, but right now, with the GA-K7N8s mobo, it's
> working. I'm wondering right now, since my performance is good, what the
> realadvantage would be to going MADI if I have to have the Multiface to
> achieve the I/O ports I need.
>
> Given that a system is running properly with either card, does the MADI
> system achieve better performance/latency than an HDSP card if used solo?
>
> If so, do you think that adding a Muliface to the MADI system for the
> extra I/O would degrade the performance of the MADI. I'm looking down the
> road at trying to get 64 bit compatible and I know it's going to take at
> least 1 x 64 bit Magma for my RME cards (unless something else comes
> along) so the fewer PCI cards I have to configure, the better.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Deej
>
> Deej
>
>
>
>
>
> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:45bd6933@linux...
>> HI DJ,
>> Just so you know with the current beta driver your using you can use any
>> of the HDSP cards in conjunction with the MADI card. Cheap way to add AES
>> I/O.
>>
>> Also to answer your question on the RME the Optical MADI output is always
>> active and duplicates the outputs and visa versa. These are MADI optical
>> not ADAT I/O in case your thought that.
>>
>> Oh and the new series of AD/DA converters from RME will have the option
>> to use MADI as well as ADAT and AES connection in groups of 8. When using
>> the MADI option on the converters you just daisy chain them till you fill
>> the cards I/O. So up to 8 converters @ 48k and 4 @ 96k. They are
>> supposedly adding 192k support for the card sometime soon. I believe it
>> will be just a firm ware update.
>>
>> Here are to 2 upcoming MADI AD/DA.
>> http://synthax.com/press.html#micstasy
>>
>> http://synthax.com/press.html#adi8qs
>>
>>
>> Oh and the MADI info center
>>
>> http://synthax.com/brands/rme/MADI.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>
>>>Don't worry...this is a better place to learn about Cubase than the
>>>Cubase forum
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:45bd283c$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>Congrats Deej, though I'm a little surprised you're ditching the
>>>>Creamware
>>>>stuff as well. That portico thingy must sound great. I'd take a Pulsar
>>>>off
>>>>of you but I'm starved for PCI slots and would need a 14 DSP card to
>>>>make
>>>>it worthwhile.
>>>>
>>>>Hope you'll still be hanging around a bit,
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Moving to MADI-Everything must go
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>
>
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| Re: Check the FS group again [message #79202 is a reply to message #79142] |
Mon, 29 January 2007 14:47 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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Senior Member |
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Hi DJ,
Yes the the ADI-648 will be the ticket. Don't forget that if you are
operating at 96k that you would only have 32 I/O not 64. I think from
how you describe what you are trying to do that you want to run the 2
ADI 8-DDs plugged into the ADAT I/O of the ADI-648. You then want to run
the MADI card and ADI648 at 48k and sample rate convert from 48k to 96k
using the 8DDs?
Chris
DJ wrote:
> Chris,
>
> I didn't mean a MADI Bridge. I'm talking about the ADI 648 MADI>ADAT
> converter.
> Also, I can get around the port limitations with an ADI4 DD. I am planning
> on adding 2 x ADI 8DD interfaces anyway to up/downsample my outboard
> gear.for use at higher sample rates so with my POD Pro, Mytek Stereo AD/DA
> converters and DAC-1 (all of which operate at up to 96k) on my AD4-DD and my
> outboard gear on a pair of ADI8-DD's, I will have more than enough
> additional optical ports to handle everything else and can operate all audio
> I/O routing through a single PCI card. It's more flexible than using the 3 x
> HDSP cards and when the price of 2 x 64 bit Magma's (ne for the HDSP cards,
> the other for the RME cards) vs one (for just the RME cards), or even the
> possibility of needing none (if a new FW, etc. model comes out) or if I can
> configure all of my UAD-1 cards and the MADI PCI in the 5 PCI slots of my
> mobo without IRQ wars, the numbers start looking a lot more attractive.
>
> Deej
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45bd74e2$1@linux...
>> Thanks Chris,
>>
>> I've been crunching the I/O port numbers here. I was coming up short on
>> I/O with the MADI so I am reconsidering the MADI . When I think in terms
>> of these systems, I think of the number of I/O ports since I interface a
>> lot of digital gear. My current HDSP rig (2 x 9652's and a Multiface PI)
>> totals 7 x optical I/O ports and 3 stereo coax ports, all usable
>> separately.
>>
>> The MADI rig with the ADAT bridge would then give me 8 optical ports
>> (either ADAT or spdif optical......right?) on the MADI bridge plus another
>> spdif optical port on the card for a total of nine that I could interface
>> with outboard devices and use simultaneously.........correct, or no?
>>
>> Now, if I added my Multiface to this setup, I would be compromising the
>> single PCI card scenario (which appeals to me) for another ADAT port, plus
>> another stereo coax port. This would give me a total of 10 - equal to what
>> I would have with the 3 xHDSP cards I currently use (or 11 if the one on
>> the plate of the MADi card can be used simultaneously), but a net gain of
>> yet another open port because I wouldn't be sacrificing an ADAT port on
>> the MADI bridge for an external A/D converter.
>>
>> I was wanting to be using as few PCI cards as possible with my setup and
>> three HDSP's along with 4 x Magmas seems like I'm pushing the ragged edge
>> as far as PCI bandwidth goes, but right now, with the GA-K7N8s mobo, it's
>> working. I'm wondering right now, since my performance is good, what the
>> realadvantage would be to going MADI if I have to have the Multiface to
>> achieve the I/O ports I need.
>>
>> Given that a system is running properly with either card, does the MADI
>> system achieve better performance/latency than an HDSP card if used solo?
>>
>> If so, do you think that adding a Muliface to the MADI system for the
>> extra I/O would degrade the performance of the MADI. I'm looking down the
>> road at trying to get 64 bit compatible and I know it's going to take at
>> least 1 x 64 bit Magma for my RME cards (unless something else comes
>> along) so the fewer PCI cards I have to configure, the better.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Deej
>>
>> Deej
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> news:45bd6933@linux...
>>> HI DJ,
>>> Just so you know with the current beta driver your using you can use any
>>> of the HDSP cards in conjunction with the MADI card. Cheap way to add AES
>>> I/O.
>>>
>>> Also to answer your question on the RME the Optical MADI output is always
>>> active and duplicates the outputs and visa versa. These are MADI optical
>>> not ADAT I/O in case your thought that.
>>>
>>> Oh and the new series of AD/DA converters from RME will have the option
>>> to use MADI as well as ADAT and AES connection in groups of 8. When using
>>> the MADI option on the converters you just daisy chain them till you fill
>>> the cards I/O. So up to 8 converters @ 48k and 4 @ 96k. They are
>>> supposedly adding 192k support for the card sometime soon. I believe it
>>> will be just a firm ware update.
>>>
>>> Here are to 2 upcoming MADI AD/DA.
>>> http://synthax.com/press.html#micstasy
>>>
>>> http://synthax.com/press.html#adi8qs
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh and the MADI info center
>>>
>>> http://synthax.com/brands/rme/MADI.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> DJ wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't worry...this is a better place to learn about Cubase than the
>>>> Cubase forum
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:45bd283c$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>> Congrats Deej, though I'm a little surprised you're ditching the
>>>>> Creamware
>>>>> stuff as well. That portico thingy must sound great. I'd take a Pulsar
>>>>> off
>>>>> of you but I'm starved for PCI slots and would need a 14 DSP card to
>>>>> make
>>>>> it worthwhile.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope you'll still be hanging around a bit,
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Moving to MADI-Everything must go
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> ADK
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Check the FS group again [message #79206 is a reply to message #79202] |
Mon, 29 January 2007 15:06 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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Senior Member |
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Hi chris,
I figured to just run at 88.2. I liked Neil's clips. I would just set the
project to 88.2 and use the ADI8-DD's on the outboard gear I've got here to
upsample it to be compatible with 88.2. It's only 48k capable, max.
Any real performance increases as to latency with the MADI vs the HDSP PCI
cards?
Thanks,
Deej
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:45be7a1d@linux...
> Hi DJ,
>
> Yes the the ADI-648 will be the ticket. Don't forget that if you are
> operating at 96k that you would only have 32 I/O not 64. I think from how
> you describe what you are trying to do that you want to run the 2 ADI
> 8-DDs plugged into the ADAT I/O of the ADI-648. You then want to run the
> MADI card and ADI648 at 48k and sample rate convert from 48k to 96k using
> the 8DDs?
> Chris
>
>
> DJ wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> I didn't mean a MADI Bridge. I'm talking about the ADI 648 MADI>ADAT
>> converter.
>> Also, I can get around the port limitations with an ADI4 DD. I am
>> planning on adding 2 x ADI 8DD interfaces anyway to up/downsample my
>> outboard gear.for use at higher sample rates so with my POD Pro, Mytek
>> Stereo AD/DA converters and DAC-1 (all of which operate at up to 96k) on
>> my AD4-DD and my outboard gear on a pair of ADI8-DD's, I will have more
>> than enough additional optical ports to handle everything else and can
>> operate all audio I/O routing through a single PCI card. It's more
>> flexible than using the 3 x HDSP cards and when the price of 2 x 64 bit
>> Magma's (ne for the HDSP cards, the other for the RME cards) vs one (for
>> just the RME cards), or even the possibility of needing none (if a new
>> FW, etc. model comes out) or if I can configure all of my UAD-1 cards and
>> the MADI PCI in the 5 PCI slots of my mobo without IRQ wars, the numbers
>> start looking a lot more attractive.
>>
>> Deej
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45bd74e2$1@linux...
>>> Thanks Chris,
>>>
>>> I've been crunching the I/O port numbers here. I was coming up short on
>>> I/O with the MADI so I am reconsidering the MADI . When I think in terms
>>> of these systems, I think of the number of I/O ports since I interface a
>>> lot of digital gear. My current HDSP rig (2 x 9652's and a Multiface PI)
>>> totals 7 x optical I/O ports and 3 stereo coax ports, all usable
>>> separately.
>>>
>>> The MADI rig with the ADAT bridge would then give me 8 optical ports
>>> (either ADAT or spdif optical......right?) on the MADI bridge plus
>>> another spdif optical port on the card for a total of nine that I could
>>> interface with outboard devices and use simultaneously.........correct,
>>> or no?
>>>
>>> Now, if I added my Multiface to this setup, I would be compromising the
>>> single PCI card scenario (which appeals to me) for another ADAT port,
>>> plus another stereo coax port. This would give me a total of 10 - equal
>>> to what I would have with the 3 xHDSP cards I currently use (or 11 if
>>> the one on the plate of the MADi card can be used simultaneously), but a
>>> net gain of yet another open port because I wouldn't be sacrificing an
>>> ADAT port on the MADI bridge for an external A/D converter.
>>>
>>> I was wanting to be using as few PCI cards as possible with my setup and
>>> three HDSP's along with 4 x Magmas seems like I'm pushing the ragged
>>> edge as far as PCI bandwidth goes, but right now, with the GA-K7N8s
>>> mobo, it's working. I'm wondering right now, since my performance is
>>> good, what the realadvantage would be to going MADI if I have to have
>>> the Multiface to achieve the I/O ports I need.
>>>
>>> Given that a system is running properly with either card, does the MADI
>>> system achieve better performance/latency than an HDSP card if used
>>> solo?
>>>
>>> If so, do you think that adding a Muliface to the MADI system for the
>>> extra I/O would degrade the performance of the MADI. I'm looking down
>>> the road at trying to get 64 bit compatible and I know it's going to
>>> take at least 1 x 64 bit Magma for my RME cards (unless something else
>>> comes along) so the fewer PCI cards I have to configure, the better.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Deej
>>>
>>> Deej
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>> news:45bd6933@linux...
>>>> HI DJ,
>>>> Just so you know with the current beta driver your using you can use
>>>> any of the HDSP cards in conjunction with the MADI card. Cheap way to
>>>> add AES I/O.
>>>>
>>>> Also to answer your question on the RME the Optical MADI output is
>>>> always active and duplicates the outputs and visa versa. These are MADI
>>>> optical not ADAT I/O in case your thought that.
>>>>
>>>> Oh and the new series of AD/DA converters from RME will have the option
>>>> to use MADI as well as ADAT and AES connection in groups of 8. When
>>>> using the MADI option on the converters you just daisy chain them till
>>>> you fill the cards I/O. So up to 8 converters @ 48k and 4 @ 96k. They
>>>> are supposedly adding 192k support for the card sometime soon. I
>>>> believe it will be just a firm ware update.
>>>>
>>>> Here are to 2 upcoming MADI AD/DA.
>>>> http://synthax.com/press.html#micstasy
>>>>
>>>> http://synthax.com/press.html#adi8qs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh and the MADI info center
>>>>
>>>> http://synthax.com/brands/rme/MADI.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Don't worry...this is a better place to learn about Cubase than the
>>>>> Cubase forum
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:45bd283c$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Congrats Deej, though I'm a little surprised you're ditching the
>>>>>> Creamware
>>>>>> stuff as well. That portico thingy must sound great. I'd take a
>>>>>> Pulsar off
>>>>>> of you but I'm starved for PCI slots and would need a 14 DSP card to
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> it worthwhile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope you'll still be hanging around a bit,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Moving to MADI-Everything must go
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>> ADK
>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
>
> ADK Pro Audio
> (859) 635-5762
> www.adkproaudio.com
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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