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| Re: Anyone disappointed in the Yamaha Magicstomp? [message #71775 is a reply to message #71774] |
Sun, 27 August 2006 09:35   |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
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Man, I was gonna buy (like I need a 10th tone device for my guitars, but I
digress) but I see no midi in :(
Stop it with the carrot man, I dunno how much longer I can hold out ~
AA
"DC" <dc@spammersinjp.com> wrote in message news:44f1c164$1@linux...
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> It's got several advantages.
>
> One is that it is editable via usb on your computer (well except
> for OSX) and that is much cooler than paging through stuff with
> the knobs.
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> Another is that it is quite powerful, processing wise.
>
> To me, the biggest advantage is that it can do a decent job
> on some UD and AD stomp sounds. The UD in particular, was the
> most impressive delay pedal ever made, and would do stuff that
> would embarrass even the 2K TC stuff, let alone pods and Digi-
> Tech.
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> And it's 79 bucks!
>
> DC
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> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>DJ wrote:
>>> I'm certainly not. I think this is maybe the best $79.00 I've spent in
> a
>>> while.
>>>
>>>
>>I know it's cheap, but what's the big deal - it's just another f/x
>>pedal, right?
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| Re: Anyone disappointed in the Yamaha Magicstomp? [message #71820 is a reply to message #71818] |
Mon, 28 August 2006 09:45 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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The thing I like about the Magicstomp is it's simplicity (I know this is
blasphemy coming from me ;o). I have a Lexicon Signature 284 and the stereo
cab that was made for it. I've been experimenting with different FX setups
and was getting ready to buy one of those Lexicon MPX G2 processors with the
floorboard. Thing is, I would be buying it just for the FX, not the amp
sims. The Magicstomp, when used in the FX loop of the Lexicon does a great
job for my needs.as an FX processor. I may look into the amp sims a bit
more, but the Lexi guitar amp through a cabinet does a fine job of that on
it's own............of course, if I want crunch, I do have to reach down
with my right pinkie and adjust the gain on the guitar from time to time, or
even grab an amp knob and turn it. This is exhausting so maybe I'll get
another volume pedal. Mine died a while back.
;o)
CB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:44f31292@linux...
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> I know this is out of character, but when it comes to guitar stuff I'm
Paleocene
> with my guitar stuff. I was at East Coast Music mall over the weekend and
> saw this TC electronic thing
>
> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GSystem/
>
> and of course my techie eye went nuts. It even has loops for stomp box f/x
> that can be turned on and off. Then I thought for a minute. I'm on stage,
> it's dark, I've had a few shots of Patron, I'm bunched in next to the
bassist,
> and I have to deal with three banks of floor buttons wearing cowboy boots?
>
> My main geetar rig is guitar -> Moogerfooger analog delay -> Fulltone wah
> -> Fulltone OCD overdrive -> Top Hat AC-15 knockoff with a THD power soak.
> Sometimes I'll add mod f/x (usually a Phase 90 or a trem pedal) after the
> overdrive pedal, and that's that. I promise you, _every_ time I play out
> someone tells me my guitar sounds incredible.
>
> I love tweaking and technology, but I think when it comes to guitars
that's
> best left at home.
>
> TCB
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I'm certainly not. I think this is maybe the best $79.00 I've spent in a
> >while.
> >
> >
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| Re: Anyone disappointed in the Yamaha Magicstomp? [message #71825 is a reply to message #71820] |
Mon, 28 August 2006 10:49 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Dead simple rock/jazz gig rig:
PRS guitar. Digitech GNX4 in Stompbox mode. Footswitch 1 switches
between clean and crunch. Footswitch 2 adds a jazzy compressor to clean
or singing overdrive to crunch.
Direct XLR to PA. Simple. Play and have fun.
Couple of other footswitches for chorus and delay are there if I need to
switch 'em. I can turn on a reverb if the room is dry. The rocker pedal
switches between volume or wah.
Quick to set up. No batteries to replace. No little cables to break. And
no amp, speaker, stomp boxes, or rack FX needed.
The key was spending time to program an amp/speaker emulation and FX
combination that work well with the PRS's flexible pickup combinations.
I'm not using factory patches.
Tried to do the same with a Yamaha Magic Stomp a few years ago and could
not get the amp emulations to hit the sweet spot. Spent some time with
it and really wanted it to work out. Too bad, it was nice and small, and
less $$.
A more complex solo rig:
If all I needed was the above rig, I'd also consider the Line 6 PODXT Live.
But when I do solo shows using my Variax, guitar synth and vocals, the
GNX4 mixes everything. It has a mic pre and extra stereo line inputs. It
also has 8 track multitrack recording/looping and a passable MIDI drum
machine.
While my solo show rig is more complicated, considering what I'm pulling
off (acoustic, electric, synth, violin, live multitracking) it's still a
relatively simple rig. For solo shows I also use the external GNX
multitrack footswitches.
I have other decent guitar rigs, vintage tube, awesome little GK, nice
guitar pres, but right now the GNX4 goes to the shows.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> The thing I like about the Magicstomp is it's simplicity (I know this is
> blasphemy coming from me ;o). I have a Lexicon Signature 284 and the stereo
> cab that was made for it. I've been experimenting with different FX setups
> and was getting ready to buy one of those Lexicon MPX G2 processors with the
> floorboard. Thing is, I would be buying it just for the FX, not the amp
> sims. The Magicstomp, when used in the FX loop of the Lexicon does a great
> job for my needs.as an FX processor. I may look into the amp sims a bit
> more, but the Lexi guitar amp through a cabinet does a fine job of that on
> it's own............of course, if I want crunch, I do have to reach down
> with my right pinkie and adjust the gain on the guitar from time to time, or
> even grab an amp knob and turn it. This is exhausting so maybe I'll get
> another volume pedal. Mine died a while back.
>
> ;o)
>
> CB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:44f31292@linux...
>> I know this is out of character, but when it comes to guitar stuff I'm
> Paleocene
>> with my guitar stuff. I was at East Coast Music mall over the weekend and
>> saw this TC electronic thing
>>
>> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GSystem/
>>
>> and of course my techie eye went nuts. It even has loops for stomp box f/x
>> that can be turned on and off. Then I thought for a minute. I'm on stage,
>> it's dark, I've had a few shots of Patron, I'm bunched in next to the
> bassist,
>> and I have to deal with three banks of floor buttons wearing cowboy boots?
>>
>> My main geetar rig is guitar -> Moogerfooger analog delay -> Fulltone wah
>> -> Fulltone OCD overdrive -> Top Hat AC-15 knockoff with a THD power soak.
>> Sometimes I'll add mod f/x (usually a Phase 90 or a trem pedal) after the
>> overdrive pedal, and that's that. I promise you, _every_ time I play out
>> someone tells me my guitar sounds incredible.
>>
>> I love tweaking and technology, but I think when it comes to guitars
> that's
>> best left at home.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> I'm certainly not. I think this is maybe the best $79.00 I've spent in a
>>> while.
>>>
>>>
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| Re: Anyone disappointed in the Yamaha Magicstomp? [message #71827 is a reply to message #71820] |
Mon, 28 August 2006 11:20 |
Wayne Carson
Messages: 86
Registered: June 2007
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DJ,
I use the PODxtLive floorboard. Pretty good, not truely authentic but
adaquately close. Does take a lot of time to tweak if you have a particular
sound you are trying to achieve. I also use the Variax electric and an
Atomic Reactor 112. The Reactor is specially designed with digital amp/cabs
sims in mind. I spoke to the owner about a year ago. However, the sound
coming out of an Atomic Reactor 112 is different than the sound out of a PA
so getting the best of both is tricky. I get my best sound when I use two
Reactor amps. This is when I have true stereo separation and power. Each
Reactor has 3 tubes and just 18watts. When I send both L/R sigs to a single
amp it only gets so loud before the single 12' begins to breakup with a
clean fat sound. When I send a left out (of the PODxtLive) to one amp and
the right out to the other amp the sound is 4 times as big and separated.
This is because with one amp a full stereo signal, L and R, is processed
into a single output. With two amps each channel has all the amps resources
per side. Also the Reactor is a tuned cab and amp with no (zero) controls
so I must use the output knob on the POD to adjust the volume and this
affects the volume to the PA since I split the POD L/R outputs. Left out to
amp and PA and Right out to amp and PA with a 1/4" splitter. Not the best
situation. Anyone interested in the amp can check it out at
www.atomicamps.com. Tom King is the owner out of Connecticut. I'm out of
town til Fri. I'll check back then if anyone has a questions.
Wayne Carson
Parisite since '97
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:44f31e3e@linux...
> The thing I like about the Magicstomp is it's simplicity (I know this is
> blasphemy coming from me ;o). I have a Lexicon Signature 284 and the
> stereo
> cab that was made for it. I've been experimenting with different FX setups
> and was getting ready to buy one of those Lexicon MPX G2 processors with
> the
> floorboard. Thing is, I would be buying it just for the FX, not the amp
> sims. The Magicstomp, when used in the FX loop of the Lexicon does a great
> job for my needs.as an FX processor. I may look into the amp sims a bit
> more, but the Lexi guitar amp through a cabinet does a fine job of that on
> it's own............of course, if I want crunch, I do have to reach down
> with my right pinkie and adjust the gain on the guitar from time to time,
> or
> even grab an amp knob and turn it. This is exhausting so maybe I'll get
> another volume pedal. Mine died a while back.
>
> ;o)
>
> CB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:44f31292@linux...
>>
>> I know this is out of character, but when it comes to guitar stuff I'm
> Paleocene
>> with my guitar stuff. I was at East Coast Music mall over the weekend and
>> saw this TC electronic thing
>>
>> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GSystem/
>>
>> and of course my techie eye went nuts. It even has loops for stomp box
>> f/x
>> that can be turned on and off. Then I thought for a minute. I'm on stage,
>> it's dark, I've had a few shots of Patron, I'm bunched in next to the
> bassist,
>> and I have to deal with three banks of floor buttons wearing cowboy
>> boots?
>>
>> My main geetar rig is guitar -> Moogerfooger analog delay -> Fulltone wah
>> -> Fulltone OCD overdrive -> Top Hat AC-15 knockoff with a THD power
>> soak.
>> Sometimes I'll add mod f/x (usually a Phase 90 or a trem pedal) after the
>> overdrive pedal, and that's that. I promise you, _every_ time I play out
>> someone tells me my guitar sounds incredible.
>>
>> I love tweaking and technology, but I think when it comes to guitars
> that's
>> best left at home.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >I'm certainly not. I think this is maybe the best $79.00 I've spent in a
>> >while.
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
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| Re: Anyone disappointed in the Yamaha Magicstomp? [message #71839 is a reply to message #71827] |
Mon, 28 August 2006 16:53 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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Well, as long as we're sharing: I currently use a Vox Tonelab (best of
the modelers, IMHO) into a Mesa Boogie Satellite 60. This is a 1x12 amp
that is designed as a "satellite" to a Mesa combo, for stereo. It has
only a very rudimentary preamp, which I completely bypass, using the f/x
return as the input from the Tonelab.
It's pretty satisfactory, although I would prefer a different model that
has the simul-class power amp (creamier). Unfortunately they don't make
them any more, and they are rare as hen's teeth. Still this is a handy
rig - it's heavy for a 12, but small and extra loud for 60 watts.
For a while I was using the Atomic Reactor, which has a good sound, but
it just wasn't powerful enough. If I wanted a loud clean jazz tone it
crapped out. Wish they would make a bigger one.
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| Re: Anyone disappointed in the Yamaha Magicstomp? [message #71842 is a reply to message #71825] |
Mon, 28 August 2006 17:33 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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The key was spending time to program an amp/speaker emulation and FX
combination that work well with the PRS's flexible pickup combinations.
I'm not using factory patches.
Jamie, when is this ever not the case. I've yet to see any box that just
'did it' on all frontiers with advertised, promo'd 'big name presets'.
Even my adored 2120 presets totally blow. The magic is in matching the
player, the guitar and the effects/sims/cabinets. I could play a BB King
riff, and you'd recognize it probably ... but BB can pick up any guitar
through any amp and still sound like BB, whereas I probably wouldn't so
much. Too many folks get wrapped up in trying to program an artists sound
and forget it's the artist that makes that sound moreso than the gear.
Gotta match the gear to the player though to get those gratifying results.
AA
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:44f32b14@linux...
>
> Dead simple rock/jazz gig rig:
> PRS guitar. Digitech GNX4 in Stompbox mode. Footswitch 1 switches between
> clean and crunch. Footswitch 2 adds a jazzy compressor to clean or singing
> overdrive to crunch.
>
> Direct XLR to PA. Simple. Play and have fun.
>
> Couple of other footswitches for chorus and delay are there if I need to
> switch 'em. I can turn on a reverb if the room is dry. The rocker pedal
> switches between volume or wah.
>
> Quick to set up. No batteries to replace. No little cables to break. And
> no amp, speaker, stomp boxes, or rack FX needed.
>
> The key was spending time to program an amp/speaker emulation and FX
> combination that work well with the PRS's flexible pickup combinations.
> I'm not using factory patches.
>
> Tried to do the same with a Yamaha Magic Stomp a few years ago and could
> not get the amp emulations to hit the sweet spot. Spent some time with it
> and really wanted it to work out. Too bad, it was nice and small, and less
> $$.
>
> A more complex solo rig:
> If all I needed was the above rig, I'd also consider the Line 6 PODXT
> Live.
>
> But when I do solo shows using my Variax, guitar synth and vocals, the
> GNX4 mixes everything. It has a mic pre and extra stereo line inputs. It
> also has 8 track multitrack recording/looping and a passable MIDI drum
> machine.
>
> While my solo show rig is more complicated, considering what I'm pulling
> off (acoustic, electric, synth, violin, live multitracking) it's still a
> relatively simple rig. For solo shows I also use the external GNX
> multitrack footswitches.
>
> I have other decent guitar rigs, vintage tube, awesome little GK, nice
> guitar pres, but right now the GNX4 goes to the shows.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> DJ wrote:
>> The thing I like about the Magicstomp is it's simplicity (I know this is
>> blasphemy coming from me ;o). I have a Lexicon Signature 284 and the
>> stereo
>> cab that was made for it. I've been experimenting with different FX
>> setups
>> and was getting ready to buy one of those Lexicon MPX G2 processors with
>> the
>> floorboard. Thing is, I would be buying it just for the FX, not the amp
>> sims. The Magicstomp, when used in the FX loop of the Lexicon does a
>> great
>> job for my needs.as an FX processor. I may look into the amp sims a bit
>> more, but the Lexi guitar amp through a cabinet does a fine job of that
>> on
>> it's own............of course, if I want crunch, I do have to reach down
>> with my right pinkie and adjust the gain on the guitar from time to time,
>> or
>> even grab an amp knob and turn it. This is exhausting so maybe I'll get
>> another volume pedal. Mine died a while back.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> CB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:44f31292@linux...
>>> I know this is out of character, but when it comes to guitar stuff I'm
>> Paleocene
>>> with my guitar stuff. I was at East Coast Music mall over the weekend
>>> and
>>> saw this TC electronic thing
>>>
>>> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GSystem/
>>>
>>> and of course my techie eye went nuts. It even has loops for stomp box
>>> f/x
>>> that can be turned on and off. Then I thought for a minute. I'm on
>>> stage,
>>> it's dark, I've had a few shots of Patron, I'm bunched in next to the
>> bassist,
>>> and I have to deal with three banks of floor buttons wearing cowboy
>>> boots?
>>>
>>> My main geetar rig is guitar -> Moogerfooger analog delay -> Fulltone
>>> wah
>>> -> Fulltone OCD overdrive -> Top Hat AC-15 knockoff with a THD power
>>> soak.
>>> Sometimes I'll add mod f/x (usually a Phase 90 or a trem pedal) after
>>> the
>>> overdrive pedal, and that's that. I promise you, _every_ time I play out
>>> someone tells me my guitar sounds incredible.
>>>
>>> I love tweaking and technology, but I think when it comes to guitars
>> that's
>>> best left at home.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>> I'm certainly not. I think this is maybe the best $79.00 I've spent in
>>>> a
>>>> while.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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| Re: Anyone disappointed in the Yamaha Magicstomp? [message #71854 is a reply to message #71842] |
Mon, 28 August 2006 20:38 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Yeah, I agree, but I get the feeling that some players just plug into
stuff and switch through presets. If they don't find one they like, they
diss the gear. I try to program the gear before I diss it. :^)
There is room for improvement in both the capabilities and the interface
for the all-in-one boxes I've tried, including the GNX4. But it's worth
putting time into programming because if you can hit the sweet spot for
what you like, the all-in-one boxes have a lot of advantages for gigging.
Rock star presets can be interesting, but I know what I like and I go
for my own sounds. I turn all FX off and start with basic amp and cab
modeling through a PA system or relatively flat studio monitors. Once I
get my basic tones I can add FX when needed.
I use a full range system because I also run violin and sometimes keys
and other instruments through the same system, and because once I
balance it for full range systems I can go direct into a PA, saves
hauling amps around.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Aaron Allen wrote:
> The key was spending time to program an amp/speaker emulation and FX
> combination that work well with the PRS's flexible pickup combinations.
> I'm not using factory patches.
>
>
> Jamie, when is this ever not the case. I've yet to see any box that just
> 'did it' on all frontiers with advertised, promo'd 'big name presets'.
>
> Even my adored 2120 presets totally blow. The magic is in matching the
> player, the guitar and the effects/sims/cabinets. I could play a BB King
> riff, and you'd recognize it probably ... but BB can pick up any guitar
> through any amp and still sound like BB, whereas I probably wouldn't so
> much. Too many folks get wrapped up in trying to program an artists sound
> and forget it's the artist that makes that sound moreso than the gear.
>
> Gotta match the gear to the player though to get those gratifying results.
>
> AA
>
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:44f32b14@linux...
>> Dead simple rock/jazz gig rig:
>> PRS guitar. Digitech GNX4 in Stompbox mode. Footswitch 1 switches between
>> clean and crunch. Footswitch 2 adds a jazzy compressor to clean or singing
>> overdrive to crunch.
>>
>> Direct XLR to PA. Simple. Play and have fun.
>>
>> Couple of other footswitches for chorus and delay are there if I need to
>> switch 'em. I can turn on a reverb if the room is dry. The rocker pedal
>> switches between volume or wah.
>>
>> Quick to set up. No batteries to replace. No little cables to break. And
>> no amp, speaker, stomp boxes, or rack FX needed.
>>
>> The key was spending time to program an amp/speaker emulation and FX
>> combination that work well with the PRS's flexible pickup combinations.
>> I'm not using factory patches.
>>
>> Tried to do the same with a Yamaha Magic Stomp a few years ago and could
>> not get the amp emulations to hit the sweet spot. Spent some time with it
>> and really wanted it to work out. Too bad, it was nice and small, and less
>> $$.
>>
>> A more complex solo rig:
>> If all I needed was the above rig, I'd also consider the Line 6 PODXT
>> Live.
>>
>> But when I do solo shows using my Variax, guitar synth and vocals, the
>> GNX4 mixes everything. It has a mic pre and extra stereo line inputs. It
>> also has 8 track multitrack recording/looping and a passable MIDI drum
>> machine.
>>
>> While my solo show rig is more complicated, considering what I'm pulling
>> off (acoustic, electric, synth, violin, live multitracking) it's still a
>> relatively simple rig. For solo shows I also use the external GNX
>> multitrack footswitches.
>>
>> I have other decent guitar rigs, vintage tube, awesome little GK, nice
>> guitar pres, but right now the GNX4 goes to the shows.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> The thing I like about the Magicstomp is it's simplicity (I know this is
>>> blasphemy coming from me ;o). I have a Lexicon Signature 284 and the
>>> stereo
>>> cab that was made for it. I've been experimenting with different FX
>>> setups
>>> and was getting ready to buy one of those Lexicon MPX G2 processors with
>>> the
>>> floorboard. Thing is, I would be buying it just for the FX, not the amp
>>> sims. The Magicstomp, when used in the FX loop of the Lexicon does a
>>> great
>>> job for my needs.as an FX processor. I may look into the amp sims a bit
>>> more, but the Lexi guitar amp through a cabinet does a fine job of that
>>> on
>>> it's own............of course, if I want crunch, I do have to reach down
>>> with my right pinkie and adjust the gain on the guitar from time to time,
>>> or
>>> even grab an amp knob and turn it. This is exhausting so maybe I'll get
>>> another volume pedal. Mine died a while back.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>> CB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:44f31292@linux...
>>>> I know this is out of character, but when it comes to guitar stuff I'm
>>> Paleocene
>>>> with my guitar stuff. I was at East Coast Music mall over the weekend
>>>> and
>>>> saw this TC electronic thing
>>>>
>>>> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GSystem/
>>>>
>>>> and of course my techie eye went nuts. It even has loops for stomp box
>>>> f/x
>>>> that can be turned on and off. Then I thought for a minute. I'm on
>>>> stage,
>>>> it's dark, I've had a few shots of Patron, I'm bunched in next to the
>>> bassist,
>>>> and I have to deal with three banks of floor buttons wearing cowboy
>>>> boots?
>>>>
>>>> My main geetar rig is guitar -> Moogerfooger analog delay -> Fulltone
>>>> wah
>>>> -> Fulltone OCD overdrive -> Top Hat AC-15 knockoff with a THD power
>>>> soak.
>>>> Sometimes I'll add mod f/x (usually a Phase 90 or a trem pedal) after
>>>> the
>>>> overdrive pedal, and that's that. I promise you, _every_ time I play out
>>>> someone tells me my guitar sounds incredible.
>>>>
>>>> I love tweaking and technology, but I think when it comes to guitars
>>> that's
>>>> best left at home.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>> I'm certainly not. I think this is maybe the best $79.00 I've spent in
>>>>> a
>>>>> while.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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